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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: MJ Maverick /me points to post above...
you mean this?
Originally by: MJ Maverick Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off 
Who said you have to mine afk in a goddam indy? Do a few L4s. Your attitude is entirely defeatist - no wonder you've got no money.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:42:00 -
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I wonder how long before this can be seen having an effect on the russian subscription base, if any?
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Laughlyn Vaughns on 16/06/2008 13:43:58
Originally by: ZinderX500 Edited by: ZinderX500 on 16/06/2008 13:28:49 Too many dumb people replied to this thread. Seriously.
Let's take the posts of the guys that said "pay with ISK". Wouldn't he do this already if he ******* had that ammount of ISK ?
You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots.
Stop replying with ****ty replies , just to post.

also a dumb thing to say.
Yes us that pay for GTCs using isk can afford to do so.... For us only. I may get 400mill in 2 weeks but i dont play the game just to pay for it, i want shiny new toys as much as the next player and then ammo/fittings/new ship if thigs go t.its upwards on a mission ect. Any person skilled in thier ingame proffesion should be able to get enuff cash to at least cover themselves. He may have to save up fo ra coupel months and pay with cash for his first GTC but he then has 60 days to get say 500mill to be on the safe side. if he spends that first few weeks gettign the isk he has the rest of the month to play it as he wishes, just make sure u have the isk in ur wallet incase u cant find a GTC in time lol
Also, a 90day GTC was only max 450mill how is a 60day GTC goign to cost 800mill? Have i missed summat?
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RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not
Well thing is, it's exactly when you DON'T have money that using what little you have left on EVE saves you, as spending time outside your home often costs WAY more. Not to say it should keep you from applying for the occasional job though 
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Trail Katron
Monkey Universe Corporation Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:44:00 -
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You can still buy 30day game time cards from Shattered Crystal http://www.shatteredcrystal.com
dont know for how long tho
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: RayBanJockey Edited by: RayBanJockey on 16/06/2008 13:46:24
Originally by: Chribba I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not
Well thing is, it's exactly when you DON'T have money that using what little you have left on EVE saves you, as spending time outside your home often costs WAY more. Not to mention you get lean and fit from not eating anything. Shouldn't keep you from applying for the occasional job though 
Fact is, can you afford not to play eve? This is from personal experience, now I have a job and the amount of money I spend on things like beer and women is simply ridiculous.
Agreed. As addictions go, Eve is one of the cheapest I can imagine.
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:50:00 -
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I have a friend who says he cannot afford this game period, not even $12-15 per month it costs. This summer he says he will be working 3 jobs to keep afloat of his financial situation.
He has been paying with ISK all the way from the very beginning. As a newbie he went through several trial accounts gathering the required sum to earn a 30 day code and from there on he said it was easier. Right now he is part of 0.0 alliance and he makes ISK farming rats for certain number of evenings every month. He has also been lucky with exploration a few times. He pvps with any extra ISK that he makes.
Really don't know anyone who is feeling like they are forced to leave the game because of this change. The subscription through the website is keeping same. And all of the people I know in game are quite capable of generating 150 million ISK monthly so no one has this kind of problem.
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Valan
The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:55:00 -
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Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years.
So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |

Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Valan Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years.
So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course.
What inflation?
The cost of bandwidth and hardware actually goes DOWN over time, not up. Bandwidth is way cheaper today than it was 5 years ago. Hardware is also cheaper relative to what it can do.
Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US.
Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US.
Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds.
You never been to iceland by any chance?
GDP (PPP) 2006 estimate - Total $12.172 billion (132nd) - Per capita $40,277 (2005) (5th) GDP (nominal) 2006 estimate - Total $16.579 billion (93rd) - Per capita $62,976 (4th)
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |

Valan
The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Valan Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years.
So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course.
What inflation?
The cost of bandwidth and hardware actually goes DOWN over time, not up. Bandwidth is way cheaper today than it was 5 years ago. Hardware is also cheaper relative to what it can do.
Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US.
Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds.
Since when has anyone put prices up in line with costs? They check the annual inflation add some to it and put the price up.
Low cost of living in Iceland!!!!! Do you know much it costs to drink over there? ...and boy do they drink.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |

Davey Chase
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:25:00 -
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Hope this may help.
http://www.tuxedocard.co.uk/
Its like a topup credit card, uses Mastercard, found mine quite useful.
Bang some cash on it and use that to grab your 30 day sub off the eve-o site.
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:28:00 -
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At the point where the small amount of money that Eve costs to play becomes a problem, Eve should be the last thing on your mind. Seriously, if you're over the age of 12 its trivial to pay for Eve. In USD its 50 cents per day when the minimum wage is $7/hour. So you need to work about 3-4 hours per month to afford Eve at minimum wage. No sympathy from me.
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Pliskkenn
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:33:00 -
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Get off EMA (Or ALG if you're over 18) and get a job?
Or if you're still able to claim either, get a job AS WELL? Seriously, tesco would take you on as a shelf stacker. It's not glamerous, but its money and you can put on your CV that you have been employed before.
It's what I did. ---
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Daedalus DuGalle
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:02:00 -
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Man..feel sorry for the guy. But seriously, given we've all got good friends in EVE, I highly doubt anybody can simply brush off EVE as a "game".
Hope he gets to a better financial situation in the future, even if EVE doesn't come into play.
- What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man? |

Ryusoath Orillian
KYBOSHI TRADING
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:02:00 -
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EMA what a con, i do less work than you on the dole and get well over twice that.
my food bill is mostly opal fruits. and i live on the internet.
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:05:00 -
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Oh poor baby. This guy physically can't get a job. There are absolutely zero jobs for him to get
I can't get a job, but I can waste my time playing a video game, so I am a productive member of society.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:09:00 -
[48]
Your period of discount is over, and you now get to pay the same price as everyone on the other side of the atlantic has been. Or you could sign up on subscription, and still get the same rate. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |

Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zetjur Jilnou on 16/06/2008 16:18:20 'I can't afford to pay for something. It's unfair that the company expects me to pay the going rate.'
That's all I'm hearing. Personally, in your situation, I'd stop buying time codes and spend a little more on food. ú10/week? I've no idea how it's even possible for someone in the UK to survive on that much. I know I wouldn't be able to.
Basically, when spending only that much on food, surely you have greater concerns than internet spaceships?
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Zephyr Rengate
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:18:00 -
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Lol 30 pounds a week. 
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life. 
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:19:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ZinderX500
You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots.

if you cannot make 170 mill a month you really ought to just quit eve. a week old char in an ibis can make that kind of money in a few hours in a cosmos complex with virtually no risk at all.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:21:00 -
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From post 43 onwards all common sense has gone out of the window, the inability to read is obvious and it appears all people with an IQ in excess of 14 have left this thread.
Looks like someone was right. *gives Rekindle a cookie*
Originally by: Rekindle I too think it was a bad move to go to the 60day cards. What I find more disturbing is the insulting nature of this community.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you have two accounts then its more money up front, a little over double by my math. Sure you get a month where you dont have to pay but is that the point?
I would say however, that you may have to go elsewhere to have a constructive conversation. People will have lots of highly opinioniated options and suggestions for you :)
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My Julutschka
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:28:00 -
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imho if you can not afford a 60day GTC with the money you have at you disposal, perhaps paying for on online game is a rather bad choise at all for those persons???
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Valan
The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 -
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Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students.
Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |

Andrue
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Valan Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students.
Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him.
I can believe it. I imagine that when he's down the pub drinking away his dole money he's also slagging off "..those damn' foreigners who steal our jobs". It tends to be the lazy buggers that don't have a job or school to go to that have the loudest voice and plenty of spare time to shout. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 16/06/2008 16:44:54
Originally by: Valan Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students.
Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him.
7.50 an hour for just that? Id do that in my spare time for extra money at that rate!
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading.
If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm)
However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post.
If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. Furb Killer lol I know but come on... Everyone has to have something fun to do with mates online.
As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money.
Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off 
Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies.
You can grind enough ISK for a 90-day card (or 60 now, I suppose) in 2 days of L4 missions. yeah it's dull but then you get the other 58 days free. And you don't have to declare it to the DS AFAIK.
I assume you're unemployed, so you have plenty of free time.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Shinnen
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 -
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eurgh, op is wrong on so many levels. EMA is for your education, eve is quite the opposite. Now stop being a scav and get a job (or loan lol) like the rest of us  -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!! |

Bad Borris
The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:10:00 -
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dude should quit eve an get a job.
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Popsikle
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:35:00 -
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uh.
Its double the cost + $0.085 [USD] per day) for double the time...
So you need to save one dime a day more....
Am I missing something here or is the $2.50 [USD] a month really that drastic of an increase?
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