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Re Mi Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Venomire Originally by: Malaphar ... we had the Skills (75%-80% of our Fleet members were T2-able , compared to the T1 Goon blob) ... My god, do you really believe our fleets consist almost entirely of t1 fit ships? I know it's been a catchphrase all these years but I didn't think anyone actually believed that. We learned a lesson fighting BoB, and our fleet compositions reflect that. I would agree with this. I would also say that their fleet discipline is much better as well and they are making much better use of their numbers. Further more, their jump bridge system has been mostly finished for a while now and the kinks have been worked out of much of their logisics. Many of the people who never had the head for pvp have left GS after the NOL situation and Goons have rebuilt with pvp in mind and not goof ops. They have T2 all over the place now and more caps ships coming every day. They have some RA and good players from other alliances who have needed a break, or were too busy to be in daily fleet ops because of RL who have gone into GS and taught them a lot. Anyone who underestimates GS is a total idiot. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:41:00 - [92] Originally by: Princess Jodi In SmashKill's situation, you guys went out of your way to avoid any contribution to the Bob war. In fact, you attacked other small alliances in the area which would have liked to fight against Bob. Meanwhile, the open hostility to Goons and RA was growing. I remeber a thread just after QY6 became a stalemate which said that you guys would be next after Goons gave up on Delve. Surely you must have known this was comming. You're joking right, every time we went to shoot BoB the alliances near us would shoot us, so we got the idea if they weren't there we wouldn't have that problem. Also, it's alot closer. It makes no difference how much we did or didn't shoot BoB. Do you honestly think alliances that did are being rewarded for it anymore now? Like, Bruce, Ka-Tet, Frege, DMC ? All of them removed by alliances that were anti-bob. Quote: said that you guys would be next after Goons gave up on Delve. Surely you must have known this was comming. Yeah, it would have been really really bright to keep pressing on BoB AFTER being told we were next not even Peoke is that dumb. People don't respect you any for helping them these days, only for your ability to fight. Every time we helped anyone other than RK, SMASH or Atlas, the repayment we got for it was betrayal. Imperial Order didn't help shoot BoB, We killed Frege minutes after killing a BoB gang in Geminate that got us so hyped up we went to see what else we could kill. OXIDE was attacked by Invictus/IRON before us. It wasn't us distracting them from their non existant help vs BoB. DMC was helping US attack BoB and they were attacked by RA of all people, so were Atlas and CI while we were in fountain and they were going to assist us there. The reality was, SMASH was ALWAYS going to get attacked by Goonswarm the minute Remedial was ousted. Not because of anything we did/didn't do, but simply because SMASH was a Remedial era ally, and disliked by some of the 'other' leaders. It wouldn't matter what we did in reality, a firm dislike was planted and then spread onto people that had no idea at all. A good chunk of people in Goonswarm are there from alliances that we kicked out of other places. Of course anyone can have their alliance killed, go join someone bigger and then talk about how good 'they' are. That's just the nature of the game. I expect no one to 'save' us, nor do I want them to. Judging by many of these style of OP's they've either been in SMASH for less than a few weeks or they are alts of ED/IRC etc. I for one am very impressed with the fuss this is causing, when I joined SMASH it was 'who are SMASH' now we're the center of attention of almost all the forum trolls. Flattering. 2 years ago SMASH had no space, having lost space in both Querious and Vale. As an offical alliance SMASH is over 3 years old. Founded before Goonfleet, IRON, Razor, R0adkill, TCF, MM. Personally I think it's a good innings and unlikely to die in any event.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:50:00 - [93] Originally by: Malaphar we had the Skills (75%-80% of our Fleet members were T2-able , compared to the T1 Goon blob) T2 able yet named multispecs on everything Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:57:00 - [94] Originally by: Hohne You're joking right, every time we went to shoot BoB the alliances near us would shoot us, so we got the idea if they weren't there we wouldn't have that problem. Also, it's alot closer. It makes no difference how much we did or didn't shoot BoB. Do you honestly think alliances that did are being rewarded for it anymore now? Like, Bruce, Ka-Tet, Frege, DMC ? All of them removed by alliances that were anti-bob. [/quote The above is indeed truth. Its exactly what happened to Ro3: half our pilots were getting killed by supposed allies while moving to QY6. And your list of other alliances bears out my point: Yeah, you did something, just not enough and nothing TODAY. Eve alliances tend to have a very short attention span. You could have been best buds 'back in the day', but if you didn't do anything for them in the past 24 hours, well, then you're a lazy slacker who is just hanging on their coattails. So: TODAY you are fighting Goons and will keep them busy for a few more weeks at least. TODAY you're alliance is doing something Bob likes, something Goons hate and RA might hate too. The North is just Meh about the whole thing. If you want to have a TOMORROW, you need to figure out how to turn the impressions of TODAY into something that the big three will favorably remember TOMORROW.
Francesca Annis Mystical Impressions Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:01:00 - [95] Originally by: Hohne I for one am very impressed with the fuss this is causing, when I joined SMASH it was 'who are SMASH' now we're the center of attention of almost all the forum trolls. Flattering. Your just the flavor of the month, hon. Next month everyone will say "Smash who?"
HitMeUp Ingame THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:06:00 - [96] death by carebears must be the worst death of all.
Jebidus Skari Comply Or Die	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:11:00 - [97] Wheres RK in all this?
SunglassesInSpace SPACE DUDES	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:12:00 - [98] I've seen plenty of cognitive dissonance in this game but smashkill has been the best.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:15:00 - [99] "ED/IRC are fu*king carebears," IRC's official position is that we prefer the term, Blissful Industrialists.
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Francesca Annis Originally by: Hohne I for one am very impressed with the fuss this is causing, when I joined SMASH it was 'who are SMASH' now we're the center of attention of almost all the forum trolls. Flattering. Your just the flavor of the month, hon. Next month everyone will say "Smash who?" And thus full circle. I hate incomplete circles, they're so messy. Quote: TODAY you are fighting Goons and will keep them busy for a few more weeks at least. TODAY you're alliance is doing something Bob likes, something Goons hate and RA might hate too. The North is just Meh about the whole thing. There were plenty of alliances that did less that they're still buddy buddy with. It has nothing to do with that at all. We're never doing anything that 'bob likes'. Goonswarm was faced with two choices, Blues or BoB, they picked Blues. They will eventually be facing the same choice again, and I bet they don't pick BoB. That's only common sense, BoB will probably be able to DD a cap fleet, and Goons aren't going to go within 6 regions of them offensively until Titans are nerfed. Quote: If you want to have a TOMORROW, you need to figure out how to turn the impressions of TODAY into something that the big three will favorably remember TOMORROW You picked the simple answer to that question. It's much harder to continue doing what you want to do regardless of what others think. Some people still do this though, they don't fall under the boot just because it's 'easy'. It's a game and people will play it the way they want to, unlike 'life' all consequences are temporary.
Lopin Acheteur	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:23:00 - [101] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Wheres RK in all this? Stain man, keep up.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:30:00 - [102] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 16:30:22 Originally by: Malaphar IMHO our strategy for this war was flawed! Also IMHO , immediately after we killed the Goons Titan in R-6 , we should have withdrawn ASAP in our home regions with all those Capitals we bashed the ED/IRC with.Reason for this withdrawal would have been that , after losing a Titan to us , we all knew what would have been Goon's next step! Our next step should have been FDZ and M-M : 23/7 camping of FDZ Station and ALL inbound routes to FDZ! FDZ is a NPC station , a perfect place for ANY invader who seeks Geminate to setup a base of operations! All those camps would have forbidden Goons to organize their offensive. If we would have done that , there wouldn't have been ANY BWF situation or 8MG or BND , etc, etc. If, by any God given chance , Goons would still have been able to organize in FDZ , then with all those Caps we had in Etherium Reach and Oasa , we would have closed down BWF of ANY system on the spot! We were already in FDZ. Peoke knows this because his illiterate ass was in local trying to troll all day. He obviously didn't count high enough and underestimated BY FAR what had actually been moved into the theater. The fleets that engaged in R-6 departed for the most part FROM FDZ. Really there's not much you could have done aside from heed the warning we gave you a month before ever deploying so you'd be ready. My post specifically said where we'd base from and what we were doing. Your leaders knew this and did nothing about it. Now they're busy trying to secure the "alliance" assets for themselves, peoke included. Someone asked where all those supercaps are. You'll see them in whatever alliance they run to. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:36:00 - [103] Originally by: Hohne There were plenty of alliances that did less that they're still buddy buddy with. It has nothing to do with that at all. We're never doing anything that 'bob likes'. Goonswarm was faced with two choices, Blues or BoB, they picked Blues. They will eventually be facing the same choice again, and I bet they don't pick BoB. That's only common sense, BoB will probably be able to DD a cap fleet, and Goons aren't going to go within 6 regions of them offensively until Titans are nerfed. Flawlessly researched "facts" from Hohne yet again. You're brilliant. You weren't blue for over a month, probably two when we attacked. Thus we didn't attack blues. You knew we were coming because we told you we were a month before we moved. Also BoB regions border regions we hold. Look at a map if you're going to type about it. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Preem Palvor ExploRiggery Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:39:00 - [104] northren nap monkeys help you out? poor soul Their last pew pew cost their carebears too much and they needed 10+ friends to beat the opposition last time.. sad fact, they haven't got enough friends in eve to Nap so they can come to your aid... they might try napping guristas and then they might come to your help..... basically you're screwed by you "allies" The North does it again.. w00t
E Vile The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:43:00 - [105] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 16:30:22 Originally by: Malaphar IMHO our strategy for this war was flawed! Also IMHO , immediately after we killed the Goons Titan in R-6 , we should have withdrawn ASAP in our home regions with all those Capitals we bashed the ED/IRC with.Reason for this withdrawal would have been that , after losing a Titan to us , we all knew what would have been Goon's next step! Our next step should have been FDZ and M-M : 23/7 camping of FDZ Station and ALL inbound routes to FDZ! FDZ is a NPC station , a perfect place for ANY invader who seeks Geminate to setup a base of operations! All those camps would have forbidden Goons to organize their offensive. If we would have done that , there wouldn't have been ANY BWF situation or 8MG or BND , etc, etc. If, by any God given chance , Goons would still have been able to organize in FDZ , then with all those Caps we had in Etherium Reach and Oasa , we would have closed down BWF of ANY system on the spot! We were already in FDZ. Peoke knows this because his illiterate ass was in local trying to troll all day. He obviously didn't count high enough and underestimated BY FAR what had actually been moved into the theater. The fleets that engaged in R-6 departed for the most part FROM FDZ. Really there's not much you could have done aside from heed the warning we gave you a month before ever deploying so you'd be ready. My post specifically said where we'd base from and what we were doing. Your leaders knew this and did nothing about it. Now they're busy trying to secure the "alliance" assets for themselves, peoke included. Someone asked where all those supercaps are. You'll see them in whatever alliance they run to. Well atleast in my case and many others I know your right. I really didn't have any warning Goons were going to invade. Just all of a sudden Gooons in local, then lots of Goons. I do think we could have handled things much better if there was a open alert to a pending invasion so we can fortify our assets. I think Peoke was too busy ****ing off all our former allies.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:44:00 - [106] Originally by: E Vile Well atleast in my case and many others I know your right. I really didn't have any warning Goons were going to invade. Just all of a sudden Gooons in local, then lots of Goons. I do think we could have handled things much better if there was a open alert to a pending invasion so we can fortify our assets. I think Peoke was too busy **ing off all our former allies. I believe we even posted it on CAOD in some form. To your defense we did say we were going after SMASH. The problem is the two of you were attached at the hip, so we couldn't very well skip over you. Least of skip over you and cut off their supply lines. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:47:00 - [107] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Really there's not much you could have done aside from heed the warning we gave you a month before ever deploying so you'd be ready. There was way more than a month warning, though you didn't give a date until the final month. It actually probably has to be a record for the longest time between announcing you want to kill someone and actually getting around to trying it. 6-18 months ago: propaganda, forum threads etc etc 2-6 months ago, more targeted hate threads, standings reset. Convince SMASH to go help with one final push against BoB and when they arrive totally fail to push any attack yourselves because it's obvious they would fail on their own. RA and XXdeath hit SMASH allies at the same time forcing a recall. 2 months ago, first sign is the market in FDZ begins filling up, previously it had been totally dead. A wave of appliactions hit all of the corps, probing for holes in the recruitment security. Apps that look like farmers, new players, old players the works. Smart people figuring out just why the sudden interest in their corps, the dumb ones hitting accept. XXDeath and the newly split from RA Solar Fleet hit SMASH allies and give and take significant loses. 4 weeks ago, invasion begins. Titan loss in R-6 giving those final Goons that didn't already have dislike for Smashkill a good reason to get off their asses. It's the sort of plan that requires alot of people with alot of time, but you don't get one much more elaborate.
Lumen Atra GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:50:00 - [108] The Titan loss was all part of the great goon plan.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You weren't blue for over a month, probably two when we attacked. Thus we didn't attack blues. Wow. You proved his point. Its been common knowledge that when the BoB war stagnated/completed then RA/Goons would start to pick off other alliances. So when the participation down south went south, someone looked at a map and reset invasion candidates. So who are you going to attack next? And are you going to wait a month or two or hours next time? Its not like you have much choice. An alliance either needs to be aggressive and go after someone or it stagnates. So who will you attack next? Likely it won't be BoB.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:51:00 - [110] Could you point me to any propaganda from the 2-18 months period. Thanks in advance.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:51:00 - [111] Originally by: Hohne Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Really there's not much you could have done aside from heed the warning we gave you a month before ever deploying so you'd be ready. There was way more than a month warning, though you didn't give a date until the final month. It actually probably has to be a record for the longest time between announcing you want to kill someone and actually getting around to trying it. 6-18 months ago: propaganda, forum threads etc etc 2-6 months ago, more targeted hate threads, standings reset. Convince SMASH to go help with one final push against BoB and when they arrive totally fail to push any attack yourselves because it's obvious they would fail on their own. RA and XXdeath hit SMASH allies at the same time forcing a recall. I never asked SMASH for anything ever. I have no idea what you're talking about pushing on BoB 6 months ago. SMASH was nothing but a diplomatic problem and of absolutely NO significance during the year and a half BoB war. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:52:00 - [112] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 16:53:18 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 16:52:47 Originally by: ***zilla Wow. You proved his point. Its been common knowledge that when the BoB war stagnated/completed then RA/Goons would start to pick off other alliances. So when the participation down south went south, someone looked at a map and reset invasion candidates. So who are you going to attack next? And are you going to wait a month or two or hours next time? Its not like you have much choice. An alliance either needs to be aggressive and go after someone or it stagnates. So who will you attack next? Likely it won't be BoB. Proved his point? Standings were reset while we were still in Delve and had no intention of leaving. Your propaganda sucks. Keep trying to stir up the fear though. Everyone knows you're a joke and nobody's coming to save you. :edit: It's a shame you guys took RK down with you though. Some of them seem p. cool. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Orar Ironfist Capital Produce	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:07:00 - [113] Originally by: Ironnight The North are busy sticking their head in the sand hoping that RA wont see them. Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
Dizeezer Velar Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:12:00 - [114] I think the north thought they were going to have a bit of a break after trisurgency. Oops! [/url]
Malaphar W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON :edit: It's a shame you guys took RK down with you though. Some of them seem p. cool. Funny that you mentioned that. After all , so far Goonswarm and their naptrain ONLY HIT R0adkill in Geminate.Until this very moment NO SYSTEM or SOV or STATION or ANYTHING belonging to SMASH Alliance was hit. So please spare us this propaganda of you actually giving a sh1t on RK or anyone else here and only wanting to kill SMASH , ok? And , BTW , the war is not over yet! As I said , this is a very unfortunate situation for us but , and this is a BIG "but" , we ain't dead yet! And we don't need ANY assistance of ANY kind from ANYONE...if we break you and your attack it will be entirely us to congratz for the achievement and if we lose and die it will also be ONLY US to blame for! Enough words....let the guns do the talking! Yours truly , Quote: Meet the best , die like the rest!
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:40:00 - [116] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 17:43:53 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 17/06/2008 17:43:03 Originally by: Malaphar Originally by: Darius JOHNSON :edit: It's a shame you guys took RK down with you though. Some of them seem p. cool. Funny that you mentioned that. After all , so far Goonswarm and their naptrain ONLY HIT R0adkill in Geminate.Until this very moment NO SYSTEM or SOV or STATION or ANYTHING belonging to SMASH Alliance was hit. So please spare us this propaganda of you actually giving a sh1t on RK or anyone else here and only wanting to kill SMASH , ok? And , BTW , the war is not over yet! As I said , this is a very unfortunate situation for us but , and this is a BIG "but" , we ain't dead yet! And we don't need ANY assistance of ANY kind from ANYONE...if we break you and your attack it will be entirely us to congratz for the achievement and if we lose and die it will also be ONLY US to blame for! Enough words....let the guns do the talking! Yours truly , What need have I for propaganda? We're taking their stations as I type. The bottom line is that if it wasn't for SMASH we'd not have engaged RK. At all. We had no reason to. We don't need more space. If it were propaganda or an attempt at driving a wedge I'd have said it before we engaged. :edit: Also... naptrain? At most we've had one other alliance here helping. Perhaps the odd corp or two, but for the most part it's been Goonfleet engaging in Geminate. A portion of TCF has been around because they're our bff's and KIA has been here as well but hardly a major naptrain. And you accuse ME of propaganda... You're losing to Goonfleet. Deal with it. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Proved his point? Standings were reset while we were still in Delve and had no intention of leaving. Your propaganda sucks. Keep trying to stir up the fear though. Everyone knows you're a joke and nobody's coming to save you. :edit: It's a shame you guys took RK down with you though. Some of them seem p. cool. I bet the ding ding dongs**** is not one of them
Malaphar W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:53:00 - [118] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON The bottom line is that if it wasn't for SMASH we'd not have engaged RK. At all. We had no reason to. We don't need more space. If it were propaganda or an attempt at driving a wedge I'd have said it before we engaged. You did say that actually...from the very beginning you said you'd remove SMASH from Geminate and all you did so far is damaging our brothers from RK. And why would you need propaganda? Exactly to drive a wedge , which is exactly what you are doing right now. What do you hope to get out of this? I honestly don't know...but I can tell you that no Goon and no propaganda will ever break the bonds that unite SMASH and RK on one side or SmashKill and their Allies (dead or alive) on the other side. From my point of view , you will get only one thing out of this : a more united SmashKill that will do their best to kill as many Goons and inflict you as much damage as possible before it all ends. And I say again , we DO NOT NEED ANYONE to come help us or something.We always stood alone and we always will , regardless of how many we helped in the past or how all this will end. Yours truly , PS : actually , Goonswarm seems to need their whole bandwagon to beat us (TCF,KIA,SDG,xDEATHx,ED/IRC , etc,etc,etc)...which is a bit hilarious considering their bragging! Quote: Meet the best , die like the rest!
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:56:00 - [119] Originally by: Malaphar you will get only one thing out of this : a more united SmashKill that will do their best to kill as many Goons and inflict you as much damage as possible before it all ends. Oh god please, I'm bored to tears in Geminate.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 17:57:00 - [120] Originally by: Malaphar Originally by: Darius JOHNSON The bottom line is that if it wasn't for SMASH we'd not have engaged RK. At all. We had no reason to. We don't need more space. If it were propaganda or an attempt at driving a wedge I'd have said it before we engaged. You did say that actually...from the very beginning you said you'd remove SMASH from Geminate and all you did so far is damaging our brothers from RK. And why would you need propaganda? Exactly to drive a wedge , which is exactly what you are doing right now. What do you hope to get out of this? I honestly don't know...but I can tell you that no Goon and no propaganda will ever break the bonds that unite SMASH and RK on one side or SmashKill and their Allies (dead or alive) on the other side. From my point of view , you will get only one thing out of this : a more united SmashKill that will do their best to kill as many Goons and inflict you as much damage as possible before it all ends. And I say again , we DO NOT NEED ANYONE to come help us or something.We always stood alone and we always will , regardless of how many we helped in the past or how all this will end. Yours truly , PS : actually , Goonswarm seems to need their whole bandwagon to beat us (TCF,KIA,SDG,xDEATHx,ED/IRC , etc,etc,etc)...which is a bit hilarious considering their bragging! So when we hit smash stations, smash will start showing up in geminate?

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