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DREDD xCZx
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: DREDD xCZx on 18/06/2008 18:45:05 To CCP,
I am creating this thread, not as a threat to you or anything, but I just want it to be known that the conditions at the system motsu are not the best. Myself and many many other people I am sure will have lost hundred of millions of ISK, due to the lag conditions. I am hoping that maybe it would be possible for another, or maybe a couple of high quality caldari navy level 4 agents were created, to prevent clogging up of systems. It is barely possible to even live there sometimes. Again this is no form of threat, I just want it to be known, anybody who agrees with this please sign, let it be known.
Thanks, DREDD
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:45:00 -
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Wow! This is new breaking news!!! Who knew??? This comes as a totaly surprise to me and I for one am shocked!
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Muldreck
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:47:00 -
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i vote for this situation to be sorted, and sarcastic remarks were bound to happen ingnor them dredd
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Rhyddyn
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:47:00 -
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I Agree DREDD, due to the system resources used up generating the missions, its very laggy in Motsu, Saila, etc. And a few more decent quality lvl 4 agents spread out in other sectors of space, would help with the congestion.
Please CCP, Look at this problem.
Rhyddyn
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slave man
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:48:00 -
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lag in an overcrowded mission hub with hundreds of missions spawning inside it!!! OMG "Spartans were not ***" |
Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:48:00 -
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Perhaps, just perhaps... the fact that there are 200+ players in local and map shows a few tens of thousands of ships destroyed..
Maybe just maybe it's because all those people are running missions in the same system, at once.
Don't know really.
EVE sucks..
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Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:48:00 -
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You mean agents like these?
Seriously...move out of motsu, and don't cry if your new agent is Q18 instead of Q20.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:49:00 -
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You could try going somewhere else. You know, where theres no lag. Motsu isn't the only system with decent agents in all of EVE.
I can only assume that people who go to Motsu and Jita must be some sort of lag-masochists, who extract some sort of joy from playing games at 2 frames per second. ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
DREDD xCZx
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:49:00 -
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yes dihania, there is many people at motsu, that's why it should be made so not so many go there = reduced lag.
Motsu is a very good system and all, I jsut don't think it deserves to be as laggy as it is.
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Basil Vanquish
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:49:00 -
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singed. there is massive lag and i agree that it would help to add some other lvl 4 agents to decrease the lag.
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Drayke Hyde
The Hyde
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Drayke Hyde on 18/06/2008 18:51:17 I can tell you how to get 0 lag in Motsu , Salia and surrounding systems....
1. turn all your grfx down to a minimum... 2. log out of eve 3. walk away from your pc 4. log back in again during off peak hours
I for one would like to see the almost 3 yr problem fixed with that area's lag
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Wow! This is new breaking news!!! Who knew??? This comes as a totaly surprise to me and I for one am shocked!
If this was Jita I'd agree, but it's not it's an issue with agent location, quantity and quality. The kind of thing that could be fixed over the weekend by, I dunno, adding a few more reasonable quality agents to allow the mission runners to spread out.
I know honest pewpewing folk such as you and I shouldn't give a damn, but that doesn't mean we should come in flaming sarcastically every time a non-pvp concern is raised. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:51:00 -
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No.
Why should CCP do anything when you are quite cable already to handle your problem yourself? Have you ever considered that the lag is purposely there as a motivation factor for you to move your butt to somewhere else?
Sheesh, start taking responsibility of your own life/game human. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:52:00 -
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Okay, I'll explain this again.
Let's say that the highest quality agent in a non-laggy system is Quality 10 instead of Quality 20. That means that if you were making 12 million ISK per hour in Motsu, you will now be making 11 million ISK per hour. Still with me? That's a reduction of about 8.3%
Ask yourself this: 1. Does the increased lag mean that you complete your missions more than 8.3% longer than you would without lag? 2. Does the increased risk of ship loss cut into your profits more than 8.3%? 3. Do either of the above, combined, reduce your profits by more than 8.3%?
If you answered yes to any of these questions:
MOVE THE **** OUT OF MOTSU ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Rhyddyn
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:53:00 -
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Sure there are plenty of level 4 agents in other parts of space. Thats not the problem, currently decent quality Caldari Navy agents are mostly in the Motsu area, not to mention the other level agents.
Rhyddyn
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DREDD xCZx
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:53:00 -
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Seriously, if you do not agree with this thread, don't post, simple as. People do not want to hear silly remarks from people who are ignorant and immature, just please stay out of ht threat if you do not agree.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:54:00 -
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Epic 5,000 4998 solar system persistent single universe*
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It's so safe to play along, little soldiers in a row Falling in and out of love, with something sweet to throw away. I want something good to DIE for...to make it beautiful to live. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 18/06/2008 18:55:12
Originally by: DREDD xCZx Seriously, if you do not agree with this thread, don't post, simple as. People do not want to hear silly remarks from people who are ignorant and immature, just please stay out of ht threat if you do not agree.
Read Tarminic's post. It is a good post. It makes sense.
Also, don't start discussion threads if you don't want people to discuss the issue. If people disagree with something you say then they will tell you- that's how these forum deelees work. ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: DREDD xCZx Seriously, if you do not agree with this thread, don't post, simple as. People do not want to hear silly remarks from people who are ignorant and immature, just please stay out of ht threat if you do not agree.
I'd say that labeling anyone who disagrees with you as silly, ignorant, or immature is pretty...well...immature. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Wow! This is new breaking news!!! Who knew??? This comes as a totaly surprise to me and I for one am shocked!
If this was Jita I'd agree, but it's not it's an issue with agent location, quantity and quality. The kind of thing that could be fixed over the weekend by, I dunno, adding a few more reasonable quality agents to allow the mission runners to spread out.
I know honest pewpewing folk such as you and I shouldn't give a damn, but that doesn't mean we should come in flaming sarcastically every time a non-pvp concern is raised.
Would not solve anything.
There will always be *one* Caldary Navy agent that will be a tad better than the rest (due to system security rating and localization) and all the zombies will gather in that system. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
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Armoured C
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:56:00 -
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I AGREE
I AGREE THAT YOU SHOULD LEAVE MOTSU
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Roy Batty68
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: DREDD xCZx Edited by: DREDD xCZx on 18/06/2008 18:55:32 Seriously, if you do not agree with this thread, don't post, simple as. People do not want to hear silly remarks from people who are ignorant and immature, just please stay out of the thread if you do not agree.
I started playing in 2006. There was lag in motsu threads then.
Just some perspective for you.
Use this. Be happy.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 I can only assume that people who go to Motsu and Jita must be some sort of lag-masochists, who extract some sort of joy from playing games at 2 frames per second.
There are three high quality level 4 agents for Caldari Navy in hi-sec. There are several thousand Caldari Navy mission runners. You can GTFO of Motsu and go elsewhere, at a cost, problem is that several hundred other people had the same idea already. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran There will always be *one* Caldary Navy agent that will be a tad better than the rest (due to system security rating and localization) and all the zombies will gather in that system.
The "Zombies" are there for the ISK/hr as soon as they know they can make more ISK/hr elsewhere they will move. Besides, just because some people seem to enjoy the lag doesn't mean the rest of them should have to endure it. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Patch86 I can only assume that people who go to Motsu and Jita must be some sort of lag-masochists, who extract some sort of joy from playing games at 2 frames per second.
There are three high quality level 4 agents for Caldari Navy in hi-sec. There are several thousand Caldari Navy mission runners. You can GTFO of Motsu and go elsewhere, at a cost, problem is that several hundred other people had the same idea already.
Sure, but you've got to ask yourself how much is lag really worth. As Tarminic points out, the difference between a Q20 and a Q18 Lvl4 agent is mere few hundred thousand an hour. The slower missioning speed caused by lag, the lower sell prices on loot, and the danger of being suicide ganked/probed/otherwise robbed will wipe out what tiny profit that "better" agent made you pretty easily.
If you think a smoother playing experience is worth a mere handful of isk an hour (like I do), you can get out of Motsu. If you think those few extra isk are worth the hassle, don't complain about that lag. ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Jowen Datloran There will always be *one* Caldary Navy agent that will be a tad better than the rest (due to system security rating and localization) and all the zombies will gather in that system.
The "Zombies" are there for the ISK/hr as soon as they know they can make more ISK/hr elsewhere they will move. Besides, just because some people seem to enjoy the lag doesn't mean the rest of them should have to endure it.
Yes, they will all move. The only change we will see is forum post about a new Motsu that is clogging up ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Taedrin
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:09:00 -
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@the OP Why should more Caldari Navy agents be added? Are there less Caldari Navy agents than say Gallente Navy or Amarr Navy?
@the thread in general There are PLENTY of Level 4, Q15-20 agents. There is absolutely no reason why everyone should be running missions for ONLY Caldari Navy. If the lag in Motsu is costing you hundreds of millions of ISK, then start running missions for another Caldari corp. I'm sure that your Caldari faction standing should be good enough to only have to bump down to level 3 missions for awhile.
A better solution would be to convince or force the players to spread out. Not by adding agents, but by shuffling them around (like they did with Jita/Yulai agents). Or if you are feeling particularly sadistic, simply removing the Motsu agents.
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spanky herman
Gulfonodi Industries Shadow Donkeys
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
MOVE THE **** OUT OF MOTSU
Someone understands the problem and has given you the solution. It doesn't matter if there are more agents if they are better everyone will move to them and the problem is just moved. If they are "worse" people wont move because they are set where they are.
If you go to Jita or a mission hub at peak usage times you will get lag, if you didn't expect it then you just haven't been paying attention.
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brinelan
Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:14:00 -
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Find a high level lvl4 agent in a lower sec system. There are tons in .5 space in backwater systems that are pretty high quality that give better isk/lp.
If you don't like the conditions there, then go somewhere it is better. Don't put up with it and whine and demand that the game get changed to suit your playstyle. There are over 5000 other systems, I am sure there has got to be a place in one of them that will be what you are looking for.
Following the crowd is bad m'kay --------------------------
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:15:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it agent quality determines three things: standings increase, ISK reward, and LP reward.
The standings increase is worthless – you already have access to Lvl4 agents. The ISK reward is insignificant compared to the bounties, loot and salvage of a Lvl4 – all of which are independent to the agent quality. That leaves the LP rewards as the only useful reason to choose a higher-quality agent.
So what's the ISK/hour reward from those extra few LP? Are they really worth the lag, hassle, increased risk, and general unpleasantness of a crowded mission hub?
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