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brinelan Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.19 16:02:00 - [91] I don't see low sec being any more or less dangerous then what you have to deal with now with the gankers / ninja salvagers etc. If anything , it will make it so you can retaliate easier when those gankers try to act all tough because you cannot retaliate in hi sec without serious consequences. -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.19 16:56:00 - [92] Originally by: Uzume Ame Ignorant mission runners for the win... a) Don't work for Caldari Navy b) An agent with less quality in a 0.5 system gives higer reward that one with better quality in 1.0 c)More lag = slower mission running d) Use your brain Cheers. You're sugar-coating it too much. Short'n'sweet version: quality means fsck-all! Find another agent and stop whining.
Lorieen AQ Militis Seprentia	Posted - 2008.06.19 17:22:00 - [93] I agree with those that say move the agents..... I think all the lvl 4s with Q5 or higher should be moved to low sec.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:59:00 - [94] Originally by: brinelan I don't see low sec being any more or less dangerous then what you have to deal with now with the gankers / ninja salvagers etc. If anything , it will make it so you can retaliate easier when those gankers try to act all tough because you cannot retaliate in hi sec without serious consequences. True to a certain extent, but if your agent sends you into a system with a gate camp you might feel otherwise. At the same time though, neccessity is the mother of invention, some of the existing low-sec mission running hubs have their own coallitions and communities that rival that of a small 0.0 alliance, if a change like that led to there being more of those, I think everyone can agree it would be largely positive. -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
brinelan Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:04:00 - [95] I don't see that being too much different then my FC leading me into a gate camp.. but at least I can decline the mission And there are going to be backwater low / null sec systems you can run missions in that will have a low / nonexistant chance of finding that nasty gatecamp. Gatecamps are the low / nullsec way of dealing with the kinds of things motsu is dealing with now. System security rating means more for rewards then agent quality. -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:05:00 - [96] Originally by: brinelan I don't see that being too much different then my FC leading me into a gate camp.. but at least I can decline the mission And there are going to be backwater low / null sec systems you can run missions in that will have a low / nonexistant chance of finding that nasty gatecamp. Gatecamps are the low / nullsec way of dealing with the kinds of things motsu is dealing with now. System security rating means more for rewards then agent quality. If your FC jumps a fleet into a gate camp without knowing its there, then maybe you need a new FC -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
brinelan Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:07:00 - [97] OR, we got a bigger group of ships then they do and the objective is on the other side.. or were running.. or.. umm ya you get the picture -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:10:00 - [98] Originally by: brinelan OR, we got a bigger group of ships then they do and the objective is on the other side.. or were running.. or.. umm ya you get the picture If you know you have a bigger fleet then they do then you are aware they are there, and if you are running without a scout......FOR SHAME! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
brinelan Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:13:00 - [99] Edited by: brinelan on 19/06/2008 20:12:56 unless the scout found the gate camp.. the hard way (we see why I don't FC lol) -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:09:00 - [100] Originally by: Lia Darklotus Edited by: Lia Darklotus on 19/06/2008 03:03:24 Originally by: Sgt Blade you do know that there are other high level agents for caldari NOT in that general area even better here is a list Great how many of those aren't in low sec, are not below a 10 quality in rating and not in a lag infested region of Caldari space, of which is pretty much any place with a quality level four agent with kill missions. As I said I wouldn't mind taking a slight lp hit to switch npc corps to run missions for as it would be a welcomed relief but I ain't through away the hours spent mission running just because it is not a problem too YOU[b]! without looking through the list i know of 2 agents, yes in caldari space but in high sec and have less then 100 players in local seeing as i run them. no lag what so ever in them systems when i run them. im sure there are plenty more and for other races aswell. so stop complaining and do abit of research [b]Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:11:00 - [101] Guess why i never mission at mission hubs ^^ I prefer abit lower quality where i can put on a pure gank and minimal tank and don't have to worry about lagging too hell and loose my ship. But in a Tradinghub permatanking ALOT of dps is pretty much a must and your DPS suffers from it. Don't mission in Motsu =D Somebody set up us the bomb
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.01 17:01:00 - [102] I vote for a new shard. Simply fork the current EVE server into two shards: The new one has only Motsu, Jita, Tama and ... well, you complete the list for me. All players who are in those systems at the time of the fork are moved to the new shard. The rest will stay on the old shard. I like this idea, not because it would solve any problems, but because it would be interesting to see how many players would notice the change.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.01 17:44:00 - [103] Originally by: Feilamya I vote for a new shard. Simply fork the current EVE server into two shards: The new one has only Motsu, Jita, Tama and ... well, you complete the list for me. All players who are in those systems at the time of the fork are moved to the new shard. The rest will stay on the old shard. I like this idea, not because it would solve any problems, but because it would be interesting to see how many players would notice the change. hahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahaa
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.07.01 17:49:00 - [104] People have complained about this for literally years. Many perfectly viable solutions have been proposed and only stop-gap measures have been made. It seems the only thing they listen to is the sound of accounts being canceled. So you have two choices, complain and have nothing done about it or stop playing EVE. They aren't going to fix it any time soon. It's been broken for literally years. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:36:00 - [105] Originally by: Xaen People have complained about this for literally years. Many perfectly viable solutions have been proposed and only stop-gap measures have been made. It seems the only thing they listen to is the sound of accounts being canceled. So you have two choices, complain and have nothing done about it or stop playing EVE. They aren't going to fix it any time soon. It's been broken for literally years. Nothing here is broken but your stupid ass brain.
Layla McScout	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:53:00 - [106] A good start to create less lag for those hubs would be to kick the chinese farmers out. Even Blizzard is able to do that, but I guess 5% less subscriptions is something CCP doesn't want.
Tyrantus Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:26:00 - [107] Wow. 4 pages and not one person has come up with the real reason Motsu lags. Its so the rest of us can play in peace. The Motsu area collects all the uncounted hoards of mission lemmings with the attendant lag and leaves plenty of node power in other areas for players fighting in low sec or empire wars or doing just about anything else but grinding missions. If CCP distributed the top quality agent out farther it would mearly lag up the rest of the Caldari regions and as for me I say no to that. Kudos to CCP for thinking about your subscribers greater needs and having the wisdom to act on it. Originally by: Tzujeih Quick, somebody other than myself, make my decisions for me!
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:56:00 - [108] Originally by: DREDD xCZx Seriously, if you do not agree with this thread, don't post, simple as. Wow that's pathetic.
Alphrenel Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:07:00 - [109] As Hilmar said on the Fanfest 2007 "Once we have our supercomputer solution, all lag will go away.". Click this: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1274008831/bclid1301134687/bctid1302124596 And move the slider to 36:04 there you gonna hear it ___________________________________ Best regards, ALPR CEO Alphrenel Alphrenel Productions - making nice videos for everyone!
Aslord	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:11:00 - [110] another fail at ccp, whats so hard about creating more high quality agents for the mission running. it puzzles me.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Aslord another fail at ccp, whats so hard about creating more high quality agents for the mission running. it puzzles me. Troll
Olga Mokroff	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:23:00 - [112] Originally by: Aslord another fail at ccp, whats so hard about creating more high quality agents for the mission running. it puzzles me. BS
Aslord	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:34:00 - [113] well if you like hauling cra*p, then yeah. if you dont understand me make more kill agent. man people find any excuse to flame.
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:55:00 - [114] Originally by: Aslord well if you like hauling crap, then yeah. if you dont understand me make more kill agent. man people find any excuse to flame. if you actually check that dam link you will find that it lists all the good kill mission agents, stop being lazy and do research Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5*
Aslord	Posted - 2008.07.01 22:04:00 - [115] Originally by: Sgt Blade Originally by: Aslord well if you like hauling cra*p, then yeah. if you dont understand me make more kill agent. man people find any excuse to flame. if you actually check that dam link you will find that it lists all the good kill mission agents, stop being lazy and do research cheese man, dont you understand people do in motsu because all the mission is in high sec. those other agent sometime have mission in low sec.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.01 22:48:00 - [116] Originally by: Tarminic MOVE THE OUT OF MOTSU Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Aslord	Posted - 2008.07.01 23:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Celeste Coeval Originally by: Tarminic MOVE THE OUT OF MOTSU where to go?
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.01 23:11:00 - [118] No, REALLY!? Click me! You know you want to...
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.01 23:14:00 - [119] Nice necro. That said, I have since changed my mind: please stay in Motsu. Don't move an inch. …and please keep buying my (heavily) marked-up mission supplies in bulk!
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.07.01 23:20:00 - [120] Who cares about Motsu. It is your choice to play with lag and thieves and rats spamming defenders. The best solution to Motsu lag is just removing the agents. Caldari has way more good agents than other factions anyway and it will definitely solve the Motsu lag and make all Achuras happy. Or you can move them to Jita and nerf their quality and LP pay so you can enjoy what Gallente have - crappy agents, trade hub in same system as mission hub and crappy LP store. Now me, I mission in a system with some 15 in local and still get minor lag from time to time. Also lately I was doing Amarr Cosmos and very often got several seconds of module lag with below 10 in local. You may look at pilot density and move to other place but how can you tell that the new place apparently happens to sit on same machine as some FW blob or how you can adjust when there is only one Cosmos per faction is beyond me.

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