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Vanessa Vasquez planet eyeQ	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:21:00 - [61] certainly. But it has been suggested many time before and CCP doesn't respong, nor change anything. Maybe they will someday when too many ppl have left eve already. To all those very smart lads who suggest to move ... ... tell me a system in caldari space with lvl4 killmission agent without lag. Motsu, Kakakela, Irjunen ... all places with agents over quality 12 are laggy, more or less. And what will happen if enough guys would follow your "solution"? Motsu would get lagfree. Ppl would get back to motsu. It would start to lag again. Ppl would leave.... and if they finally would not come back, the winners would be the dump asses who stayed there. What a ridiculous suggestion ... It would be no problem 4 CCP to add some more lvl4 agents, and therefore, i can't understand why they don't. Only thing that comes to my mind is that they want everybody to pvp. To bad that ppl tend to have their own mind what they want to do in their playtime ...
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Besides the solution to something being broken should never be don't use it. Actually, as far as players are concerned, that should be the first solution. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Lia Darklotus Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:02:00 - [63] Originally by: Smantha Dering Edited by: Smantha Dering on 18/06/2008 21:53:24 Run missions for a different corp. Here is a news flash for you! CALDARI NAVY ARE NOT THE ONLY CORP THAT GIVE NAVY RAVENS!!!! You can get navy faction items from other corps, you can get Faction increases with other Caldari corps. Stop crying about a problem that you and people just like you create. I run level 4 missions in a system that tops at about 60 during peak times and regularly has <20. Use your damned head!! I would love to run missions for another corp but having built up 200,000 lp I don't to want start up that hill again. If I could transfer my lp to another corp and maybe take a 10%-15% hit in lp points by doing so I would. To bad CCP doesn't give a crap. Salia by the way is the worst system to run missions in period. Jita and Motsu have nothing over that system when it comes to lag. When it takes you 10 minutes to jump into the system and get your chat and ship controls back you know it sucks. The sad part is there are less people in Saila running missions then there are in Motsu and Jita. Another solution would be for a system to randomly( or optionally) reroute missions 1-2 jumps away to other less crowded areas of space when there is a heavy load in that system building up. This way new people logging on won't add to the problem.
Zaknussem The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Haradgrim My personal belief is that lvl 4 missions should be removed from high-sec completely (or at least any with a quality above 0) Won't solve anything. The "zombies" will just go for the best agent that's still in Hi-Sec.
Slade Hoo	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:11:00 - [65] I thought caldari to be the "King" of PvE. Missile can all damage types...why stick to Caldari Navy, etc.? While we others take 7,5k+ from big missions in hisec with 15 in local without any lag, im glad that the server load is centralized around caldari to offer me a quiet system to run missions in. Thats why i like motsu so much...and in terms of highsec ganking or selling overpriced ammo/mods, Motsu will offer even more fun So keep Motsu how it is! Stupidity in Eve is not good, but others (like me) profit from this...it's an awsome game
Smantha Dering Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:44:00 - [66] Quote: ... tell me a system in caldari space with lvl4 killmission agent without lag. Motsu, Kakakela, Irjunen ... all places with agents over quality 12 are laggy, more or less. No. I found my good lag free agent, get your own you lazy arse. Originally by: Lia Darklotus Edited by: Lia Darklotus on 19/06/2008 01:30:23 I would love to run missions for another corp but having built up 200,000 lp I don't to want start up that hill again. If I could transfer my lp to another corp and maybe take a 10%-15% hit in lp points by doing so I would. To bad CCP doesn't give a crap. Salia by the way is the worst system to run missions in period. Jita and Motsu have nothing over that system when it comes to lag. When it takes you 10 minutes to jump into the system and get your chat and ship controls back you know it sucks. The sad part is there are less people in Saila running missions then there are in Motsu and Jita. 200K lp is not that much. Really, find a different corp to run agents for. I never suggested Saila, why are you bringing up Saila?
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:46:00 - [67] FYI, everywhere lag is exceedingly bad. Module activation times of over 10 minutes in systems with 4 people.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Ga'len FYI, everywhere lag is exceedingly bad. Module activation times of over 10 minutes in systems with 4 people. checks bottom of boots for the bull****
syphurous Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Ga'len FYI, everywhere lag is exceedingly bad. Module activation times of over 10 minutes in systems with 4 people. Thats what you get from playing from Sera Leon. I would prefer to address the number of lvl4 Gallente agents in highsec. Count them, we're beaten by Amarr FFS Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
Lia Darklotus Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.19 02:04:00 - [70] Edited by: Lia Darklotus on 19/06/2008 02:04:20 Originally by: Smantha Dering Quote: ... tell me a system in caldari space with lvl4 killmission agent without lag. Motsu, Kakakela, Irjunen ... all places with agents over quality 12 are laggy, more or less. No. I found my good lag free agent, get your own you lazy arse. Originally by: Lia Darklotus Edited by: Lia Darklotus on 19/06/2008 01:30:23 I would love to run missions for another corp but having built up 200,000 lp I don't to want start up that hill again. If I could transfer my lp to another corp and maybe take a 10%-15% hit in lp points by doing so I would. To bad CCP doesn't give a crap. Salia by the way is the worst system to run missions in period. Jita and Motsu have nothing over that system when it comes to lag. When it takes you 10 minutes to jump into the system and get your chat and ship controls back you know it sucks. The sad part is there are less people in Saila running missions then there are in Motsu and Jita. 200K lp is not that much. Really, find a different corp to run agents for. I never suggested Saila, why are you bringing up Saila? Saila is worse then any of those systems you mentioned period. Go log on and jump into that system and run a few missions there I dare you. Hell I rather do missions in Jita or Motsu then in Saila. As for my 200k lp well sorry bud but it's a lot for me because I value my time. Starting over is not an option I am interested in at all unless I can transfer most of it over to another npc mission corp.

Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.19 02:15:00 - [71] you do know that there are other high level agents for caldari NOT in that general area even better here is a list Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Lia Darklotus Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.19 03:01:00 - [72] Edited by: Lia Darklotus on 19/06/2008 03:03:24 Originally by: Sgt Blade you do know that there are other high level agents for caldari NOT in that general area even better here is a list Great how many of those aren't in low sec, are not below a 10 quality in rating and not in a lag infested region of Caldari space, of which is pretty much any place with a quality level four agent with kill missions. As I said I wouldn't mind taking a slight lp hit to switch npc corps to run missions for as it would be a welcomed relief but I ain't through away the hours spent mission running just because it is not a problem too [b]YOU[b]!
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.19 03:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Lia Darklotus Great how many of those aren't in low sec, are not below a 10 quality in rating and not in a lag infested region of Caldari space, of which is pretty much any place with a quality level four agent with kill missions. As I said I wouldn't mind taking a slight lp hit to switch npc corps to run missions for as it would be a welcomed relief but I ain't through away the hours spent mission running just because it is not a problem too [b]YOU[b]! My safe, easy source of great honking stacks of ISK in high sec is no longer convenient enough. CCP PLZ FIX! ___________________________________________
Black Leather	Posted - 2008.06.19 03:16:00 - [74] While I personally only use missions for standing increase (don't care who they are as long as I get to use a jump clone), the OP has a point. I think that as the player population increases then so should access to high level agents be increased. There should, imo, be a ratio kept. Say... One agent for every 'X' number of players. Doesn't seem right to double or triple the population and not increase the number of agents.
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.19 03:18:00 - [75] has anyone violenced the failboat? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.19 04:33:00 - [76] Originally by: Black Leather While I personally only use missions for standing increase (don't care who they are as long as I get to use a jump clone), the OP has a point. I think that as the player population increases then so should access to high level agents be increased. There should, imo, be a ratio kept. Say... One agent for every 'X' number of players. Doesn't seem right to double or triple the population and not increase the number of agents. Don't be taken in. There are plenty of good or better quality L4 agents in high sec. The problem here is that 50 million lemmings have decided they want to run for Caldari Navy and now they're paying the price for their lack of ingenuity. But hey, maybe the OP will get his wish. And maybe, just maybe if I'm very good, eat my peas and say my prayers every night then one of the nice, quiet missioning or mining systems I was diligent enough to sniff out will suddenly one day get a shiny new high quality L4 Caldari Navy agent. And with it will come all the fabulous benefits of Caldari society: inflated prices, lag, can flippers, ninja salvagers, suicide gankers, and 50 HI SEC LOLWARZZZZ(TM) per day rolling in and out of there with all the associated "lmao no u r n00b lololololol" smacktalk in the local channel. Yes please CCP, those of us with the good sense not to do the same thing as everybody else and his dog have been terribly, terribly bad. Please punish us by spreading the L4 Caldari Navy Plague as far and wide as possible. ___________________________________________
Jurgen Cartis Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.19 05:09:00 - [77] Motsu has lag. Shocking, simply shocking. The best part is that Motsu's infamous agent is actually subpar compared to better agents elsewhere. Please, stay in Motsu and keep the lag there, keep it out of the other corp's playgrounds. I've never run a regular mission for the Navy, all my CN standing comes from storylines. Every thread like this I see reminds me what a good idea that was. . . pity people found the secret garden and it's almost as bad now. On the upside, there are some unspoiled missioning grounds left, I just have to get out of Caldari space. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Lady Aja No Angels Here	Posted - 2008.06.19 05:30:00 - [78] goto another system or stop playing eve if your going to blame eve for your carbear empire hugging ways!
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.19 05:34:00 - [79] Originally by: Dante024781 Originally by: Artemis Rose Guys I know. Lets hack CS:Source and make it so you can stuff 240 people on a single server (system). Now, we should spawn over 1K NPCs all across the map, run queries on the database constantly, and have players leave and come in as often as they please. Furthermore, allow each player to be able to use 5 drones, adding EVEN more things for the server to handle in system. Wow, its laggy. Okay, this server(system) sucks now. I know, lets stay here and continue to play? Why would I want to go to another server(system)? Nice troll, and I'll bite. No one is asking why it's laggy. What were asking is why these agents are all located in the same area of the map. I'll bite you back. Because they aren't the best agents? Originally by: Sgt Blade you do know that there are other high level agents for caldari NOT in that general area even better here is a list And heck, thats only Caldari, You have so many other factions to run missions for. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Italian Wedding Soup Of The Day	Posted - 2008.06.19 06:55:00 - [80] Allow Alliances to higher agents into their 0.0 stations. That would cut down on a lot of alts/0.0 alliance folk running around in empire doing missions.

Andrue	Posted - 2008.06.19 07:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Vanessa Vasquez certainly. But it has been suggested many time before and CCP doesn't respong, nor change anything. Maybe they will someday when too many ppl have left eve already. To all those very smart lads who suggest to move ... ... tell me a system in caldari space with lvl4 killmission agent without lag. Motsu, Kakakela, Irjunen ... all places with agents over quality 12 are laggy, more or less. Not true. I know of several agents that meet your criteria that are not laggy. Personally I run a lower quality agent anyway. It's not like it makes much difference. In any case I play Eve to have fun not to have lag and I treasure the fact that my preferred system is free of asshats and pirates because of the relatively low population. Quote: And what will happen if enough guys would follow your "solution"? Motsu would get lagfree. Ppl would get back to motsu. It would start to lag again. Ppl would leave.... and if they finally would not come back, the winners would be the dump asses who stayed there. What a ridiculous suggestion ... Don't be silly..and don't forget that you are one of the dumbasses. It's so typical of you lot that you think it's 'other people' who are to blame. You choose to say in Motsu. You are part of the problem. If you left the area other people would experience less lag. Quote: It would be no problem 4 CCP to add some more lvl4 agents, and therefore, i can't understand why they don't. Because you quite clearly don't understand how people think and operate. Humans are social animals. They will always congregate in large groups rather than spreading out. You are demonstrating exactly how strong that instinct is by refusing to move. Your brain is hard wired to stay with the crowd and you are incapable of breaking that programming. It's sad. Quote: Only thing that comes to my mind is that they want everybody to pvp. To bad that ppl tend to have their own mind what they want to do in their playtime ... Actually they would rather players do that but unfortunately at the moment that leads to lag for essentially the same reason. As for players wanting to do what they want...that's why I and a few others choose quieter, lower level agents. I play Eve to have fun and lag is not fun. The difference in income between a high Q agent and a low one isn't very great. It's certainly not worth subjecting myself to lag and piracy over. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.19 07:31:00 - [82] Originally by: Epidemis Originally by: Tippia Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it agent quality determines three things: standings increase, ISK reward, and LP reward. […] Quality also affects the distance to the mission. …which might mean that it's better to get a low-qual agent, since chances are that the players using that agent will be more dispersed over the nearby systems. It might be a bad thing for courier missions (low qual = longer run), but I have to come across a kill mission that sends me more than two systems away.
The Wounded Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.19 08:04:00 - [83] CCP please move all the lvl 4 agents to lowsec Balance the risk reward system.
Zaknussem The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:32:00 - [84] Originally by: The Wounded CCP please move all the lvl 4 agents to lowsec This is even worse than the first like-minded idea in this thread, because this will just lead to the "zombies" farming the best L3 Agents in Hi-Sec. In their Ravens. L4 missions will go the way of the L5 missions, and prices in general will skyrocket as the ISK faucet will stop flowing and start trinkling. It doesn't matter what changes will be made to the agents, as a large majority of the mission runners will never go to low-sec.
Andrue	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:53:00 - [85] Edited by: Andrue on 19/06/2008 11:53:34 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Epidemis Originally by: Tippia Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it agent quality determines three things: standings increase, ISK reward, and LP reward. [à] Quality also affects the distance to the mission. àwhich might mean that it's better to get a low-qual agent, since chances are that the players using that agent will be more dispersed over the nearby systems. It might be a bad thing for courier missions (low qual = longer run), but I have to come across a kill mission that sends me more than two systems away. If it's true then it isn't much of an effect and easily countered. My agent is -2 (although my skills counteract that) but nearly all missions are within his system. I occasionally have to go next door and once or twice two jumps but mostly I just undock and warp to the BM. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rheddin	Posted - 2008.06.19 12:10:00 - [86] It does feel a bit silly that CCP have placed agents in systems in such a way that then almost breaks the systems playability. Would it be so hard an act of balancing, to redistribute the agents around a bit to try and help avoid situations like they have in Motsu?
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Haradgrim My personal belief is that lvl 4 missions should be removed from high-sec completely (or at least any with a quality above 0) Won't solve anything. The "zombies" will just go for the best agent that's still in Hi-Sec. then just remove them from high-sec all together and let the "zombies" run lvl 3s -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:55:00 - [88] Originally by: Haradgrim Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Haradgrim My personal belief is that lvl 4 missions should be removed from high-sec completely (or at least any with a quality above 0) Won't solve anything. The "zombies" will just go for the best agent that's still in Hi-Sec. then just remove them from high-sec all together and let the "zombies" run lvl 3s And that would solve what problem? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Uzume Ame Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.19 14:11:00 - [89] Edited by: Uzume Ame on 19/06/2008 14:12:28 Ignorant mission runners for the win... a) Don't work for Caldari Navy b) An agent with less quality in a 0.5 system gives higer reward that one with better quality in 1.0 c)More lag = slower mission running d) Use your brain Cheers. Teh failure of a signature.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.19 14:32:00 - [90] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Haradgrim Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Haradgrim My personal belief is that lvl 4 missions should be removed from high-sec completely (or at least any with a quality above 0) Won't solve anything. The "zombies" will just go for the best agent that's still in Hi-Sec. then just remove them from high-sec all together and let the "zombies" run lvl 3s And that would solve what problem? Actually, this is entirely seperate from the original point: Originally we were debating the merits of creating additional, or more evenly distributing, the existing high quality level 4 agents in order to limit the effects of lag due to concentrated player population. My point in that regard is that if something can be done that does not materially affect gameplay but has the potential to reduce lag for everyone, then implementation should be a no brainer since everyone should be entitled to use the same resources as everyone else. With regard to moving agents to low sec and 0.0: the reason I suggest this, and have many times in the past, you would see a great reduction in the amount of brainless farmers running lvl 4s 24/7, provide more targets to pvpers in low sec, and finally balance out the risk vs reward disparity between lvl4 missions and just about everything else.... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed



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