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Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Baleur note that it says...... Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields as if the planetary rings and system-wide fields are a sub-category of super massive asteroid fields, so that prolly rules out the nebula idea, more likely to be system-wide asteroid fields My read of 'system-wide fields' was more along the lines of radiation/energy fields and/or nebulae and such.. ie: system A has such high radiation levels you need a radiation sheild hardener (or something) to travel there. But I could be wrong. time is the fire in which we burn.
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:51:00 - [62] Yeah I noted that It's still interesting though. My main concern is that ANYTHING will be better than these super convenient asteroid belts as we have em now... In theory you can hit at least 50% of the roids in a belt without having to move your ship... Talk about boring... Mining might be more interesting if it involved some exploration and prospecting. I for one would find it both more challenging, and more time consuming, but also more engaging if I had to say... Fly for 10 minutes around the asteroid belt in search of another quality roid to mine. Sure it might annoy some... But it should make it a more hands on process. Also remember if the belts are larger overal, it will mean a lot more room for CCP to hide higher end roids. IT would mean more higher end ore in every system, and maybe some ore in empire space we don't now see... Imagine if you will, exploring a massive 1,500KM wide, 600KM tall asteroid field in .4 space. Knowing that somewhere out there in the collection of rocks, there might be a Arkanor patch just ripe for your mining lasers... Imagine how much more fun it will be to pirate in those fields... hiding your ship in them waiting for prospecters to come by... Thats the kind of game i was expecting at launch... I doubt the changes will make this happen the way I wish they would, but It's gotta be better than it is now. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Tadius Rhain	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Soulstinger Is anyone else picking up from their 'expansion' wording about SHiva that we will have to buy it? Most games have an expansion after this long but I will be -DAMNED- if I agree with Shiva being an expansion. Half of this stuff was promised at RELEASE! Player structures have been 'around the corner' for months now. Now I like all the projected content of Shiva, but if we have to pay 40/50 dollars for it I and probably many others will be mega ****ed. The eve client is free. Castor was free. CCP always said the tech 'expansions' to eve would be free, and that there would be tech levels 1-5. The problem is, when you say "tech 3" people go "omg miner3's!!!1". Saying expansion pack evokes ideas of new content. I expect Shiva will be a free expansion. ____________________________________________ Ideas Lab - Forum Search Feature - Sign me!
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:52:00 - [64] same here, but i mean the fact that the that is a sub-category of super massive asteroid fields.. if it did not include asteroids it would have been a category of it own God i gotta change my sig..
Brolly	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:01:00 - [65] hmmm, just a thought on these system wide asteroid fields...are our ships still gonna get stuck in roids and there wierd 'loogy' field?. Hmm, funstuffs indeed
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Brolly hmmm, just a thought on these system wide asteroid fields...are our ships still gonna get stuck in roids and there wierd 'loogy' field?. Hmm, funstuffs indeed Who knows, maybe the bigger roid fields will have more space between the roids? Thats another complaint I have about the current belts... All the roids are so clustered together it means you NEED a boring distribution to even be able to get to the ore... I hope we'll see a couple of clusters and patches, say 5-20 roids all clinging to one another in close orbit, and thsouands of roids distributed far enough apart to allow cruisers to fly around with a little practice. But another thing to think about is the fact that maybe, just maybe, CCP will want frigates to be used more for the actual harvesting, and bigger ships to serve more as cargo ferrying ships, or ships that harvest easier to reach ore, leading to industrials in more open areas waiting to take the ore to station? Anyway Just a thought Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Ae0n FlUx	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:28:00 - [67] ...well..Im thinking about it this way..there were certain things unique to EnB. You could actually land on Planets...some of thos eplanets even incorporated missions (like their so called dungeons theyre talking about introducing)..also..the ever popular "Rogue drone"..Do we remember these from EnB?.. Sounds to me like maybe..just maybe NOW that EnB wont be around to sue CCP amnd CCP knew they couldnt come up off of some of the previous patch promises they have made...they decided to steal those ideas...wash them off..polish them up..and try to make them their own. I happen to know for a fact that warping into a massive belt where more than 100 asteroids are all spinning at the same time and warping to a gate that has a bit too many people jumping thru or even warping into a crowded system like "Yulai" causes a beautiful slide show to insue. I agree too..."Thanx alot CCP for letting us in on the secret...but ofcourse..theyve hooked us..right?..they dont "need" our approval..What they do need is the BIGGEST SPLASH this year for file planet and Game stop bla blabla....and theyre not going to get that from telling us much..they want to brag to the "outside" world..thats who theyve not "hooked" yet. Again..it sounds to be a very nice patch..and what do they care if setting it back a few months inorder to sling in a few EnB knock offs causes impatience amongst their clientele....right? Dont lose focus!..They've still not given us "player built" stations...they've not given us the "Jovian Race"..and they've STILL have not given us alot of what was promised in Castor...so dont believe the hype..and "SHOW ME THE MONEY"!! I've learned..I don't believe anything CCP says until I SEE it..."working"...."functional"...and nOT causing my ship to be caught by their "Faltless programming" being destroyed by anything but BUGS! Ae0N FlUx
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:15:00 - [68] Quote: Market In-flight access YES!
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:18:00 - [69] Uhm.. if game makers could sue each other for stealing such basic conceptual ideas you mention, then David Braben and Ian Bell could have made a lot of money from all "open type" space games that have been released after Elite in 1982... I don't think EnB being or not being has anything to do what CCP does with EVE.
StealthNet	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:19:00 - [70] I read the article and I want to be wrong. I'm away from eve in the last 2 months due to a project I'm in. I'll return to eve as soon as I have some spare time back, at the end of may, start of june. What I understood from the article is that shiva will "prolly" be an expansion, another box or download to buy. I would like to have some clarification about that, since when I started playing eve more than a year ago, and when I started hearing about shiva, it was supposed to be a patch, not a whole new package, as it seems. _______________________________________________
Skaz	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:32:00 - [71] Ahh, I'm about to say what everybody is wanting to say but are afraid to look too n00bish or demanding..... Could we get a response from a dev? Hellmar, a few words to us loyal EVE players? Instead of letting the reporters who apparently barely play the game get all the good stuff... Just a suggestion a devblog on how and maybe when you expect to release Shiva. Can't wait for the CSM's (BTW any word on when they start again?) I promise I won't go all SteingrÝmur J. Sigf·sson on you (an Icelandic political joke) "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.05.15 04:06:00 - [72] alot of you don't think about alot of the under-the-hood changes theyve made...like optimizing the engine and ui and shiva is a FREE expansion...get that through your thick skulls your not gonna have to pay for it you only have to pay for the monthly fee which eve requires... if you install the shiva patch and open the browser on the login screen and move the window around you will notice that its alot smoother etc... they have upgraded the engine to trinity 2.5 the current one on tranq is trinity 2.0 www.dark-cartel.com
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 04:06:00 - [73] Originally by: StealthNet I read the article and I want to be wrong. I'm away from eve in the last 2 months due to a project I'm in. I'll return to eve as soon as I have some spare time back, at the end of may, start of june. What I understood from the article is that shiva will "prolly" be an expansion, another box or download to buy. I would like to have some clarification about that, since when I started playing eve more than a year ago, and when I started hearing about shiva, it was supposed to be a patch, not a whole new package, as it seems. You want to be wrong? Well Good news, there is a 95% probability that you are wrong. Remember the majority of this content is stuff that was promised to be ready about oh... 12 months ago. It's all stuff they already had, but needed to balance/finish etc. Obviously some things are new ideas, but much of it uses old stuff. Also remember that 95% of this content that will be high profile. How the heck could they put in Player owned stations and then expect players to not be able to dock at them unless they pay for an expansion? It makes no sense... It would probably cost more in DEV salery time to devise code to ensure this doesn't happen than it would make for CCP. No Expansion packs can only be successful if they involve completely NEW areas that can be easily blocked off from other players. Else it's not going to work. For example, If the EVE gate opens, thats an expansion pack for sure, and will likely cost money. Planetary landing is also a likely expansion pack. The fact that some third party website (Noob to EVE), called it an expansion doesn't mean jack or $hit. This wasn't an "official press release" from CCP, nor was it a qoute from Hellmar or someone else in the know. If you want more evidance, read logs of the CSM events, I know I saw it stated there many times that Shiva, and just about all future patches for a LONG time to come will be FREE for paying subscribers. Remember the REAL money in a MMORPG busines doesn't come from selling the boxes, it comes from selling the accounts and getting your monthly fee. Most of the time expansion packs cost money to make putting out the new content on CD profitable. The expansions tend attract more players as well. If the amount of content released doesn't require more CD's then most players won't go for it... Why spend $40 on 10megs worth of new content? it makes no sense... Online distribution over the net isn't that profitable either... most players would rather have a CD. So in the end the only reason CCP would make Shiva a "RETAIL EXPANSION" As opposed to a "FREE EXPANSION PATCH" would be if they want to commit economic suicide... So don't worry, your chances of being correct are only about 5% in my book, and really only if you fall into a dimensional rift into another universe or something. If it ends up being true, I will probably Eat my hard drive. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Allaina	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru The universal fiscal year for buisness starts in January, anyone listed on any stock market follows what I outlined. You Sir are mistaken. I work for a Fortune500 company (most certainly a publicly traded company) and our fiscal year begins in September. That puts us squarely in Q3.
MacLagavulin	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Falbala Quote: Market In-flight access YES! Oh yeah, that's realy new ... or, wasn't this in when I started playing last November? Yes, I can remember that you could do a right-click on items in the ships cargo hold and view the market if you don't show some respect, don't expect it from me
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:33:00 - [76] If you played Frontier Elite or Whale's Voyage they had an economy scanner in it, so no it can't be new but much needed yes.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:56:00 - [77] Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 15/05/2004 07:01:58 COME ON CCP people are geting bored more more same **** differnt day... alot in my corp many friend and the Greece channel from 40 people now is max 12 we ask why they dont log in they say the same thing ... BORED and waiting for a new patch or shiva do something fust all i do the last days is change skills..... ps: and dont start the why you are bored.... find or create fun ...playing since beta 5 i have done everything multyple times exept been pirate.... put a new patch that fck the game change the missile kill the laser SOMETHING!!! to make us change tactic and weapon setup :PPPP ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5)* ---------------------------------------
Blazius	Posted - 2004.05.15 07:54:00 - [78] How about an official response on ETA... a real one... I will take CCP's word of late May over this site which says a lot of things but doesnt explain any of them... This article doesnt even say which developer/developers this person talked to... CCP should clear this up and tell us what we need to expect and when... If they dont they are just allowing tension to take over gamers having fun and that is exactly what they shouldnt do... CCP? You there???
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:03:00 - [79] You got to be f****** kidding me. Q3?????? Third bloody quarter?? I thought ETA was may on Shiva.. SoonÖ
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:25:00 - [80] They call Shive an expantion pack, will we be forced to buy it in order to be able to use the new things (like with Planetside Core Combat) or will the game simply be updated and allow everyone to use the new stuff? PlanetSide = p00 --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:33:00 - [81] No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. SoonÖ
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Muthsera No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. The same with planetside, however people who didnt pay an extra $20 for the expasion simply couldnt fire the new weapons, ride the new vehicles or enter the planet core. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:54:00 - [83] Yeah.. I guess CCP could do that if they chose to. I hope they don't I whould be very disapointed. Anyway.. I'm going to be a bit more serius. When I joined in january it was allready talk about a player owned structures. Now Four months later we're in the month when the latest ETA of shiva was promiced. I don't want to speculate on who or why ppl said that. I was always under the impression it was a dev leak though. And I can see why CCP whould want to keep the date secret. (oh the antisipation) But right now I feel that the devs (even though they do a brilliant job) is prosponding the release of shiva. They've been thinking and making shiva since september. And lately we only had a few small patches. Mostly bug fixes, one I whould call medium size patch. I and I guess most others, have been holding on for shiva. And we planned for that. So I don't quite know what to belive. Guess in the end I only want an offisial ETA on it. Becus right now the moral around here is a bit low. (guess I contributed to that) SoonÖ
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 09:40:00 - [84] Edited by: Demangel on 15/05/2004 09:45:28 Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Originally by: Muthsera No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. The same with planetside, however people who didnt pay an extra $20 for the expasion simply couldnt fire the new weapons, ride the new vehicles or enter the planet core. This aint planetside CCP has said many times before that Shiva is planned to be free, just like Castor, just like every other patch. I said it before about five or ten posts before, I'll say it again. the majority of content being released is stuff that was planned to be in the game at release time. IF CCP gets the bright idea of Charging for Shiva, I suspect they will lose a LOT of money... It doesn't give enough content to be worthy of a true expansion, nor does the content really give us anything like new areas ETC. Instead it gives us new tech, and a few new environments, which could not legitimately be segregated from Vanila EVE to expansion EVE without breaking immersion. It's not like the EVE gate opened, you could easily explain why you need to expansion pack for that. Like your buying out of game the liscense from concord to travel beyond the EVE gate or something. But come on now... In the case of planetside, thier expansion was a miserable flop anyway, I should know... I was there too. The new weapons and vehicles blew donky balls most times, and thier impact on battles was either minimal, or overlooked, the caverns were meant to be door to door style battlegrounds, and ended up being emptier than a 0.0 system two minutes before downtime. In the case of older games like Ever*****, when you got an expansion you got entire new continents to explore... BIG difference. Last, but probably more important than all the other points i just made: CCP stated many times in the past that Shiva would be free. If they where to change this now, and charge for Shiva, it would be serious case of unethical (though probably not illegal) marketing. "It's ok disgruntled player, Shiva will fix everything, it will be free too, just keep subscribing till then, thats all we ask." one month prior to shiva release: "Due to unforseen circumstances, we need to charge you $40 for a CD that contains about 10 megs worth of data. We know you will be happy with this in the long run" Yes i said about ten megs of data, because I highly doubt Shiva will take very much more than that I'd say 20 megs as the absolute most, as most of the "content" is already in your EVE directory, it's just gonna have modified stats, or hasn't been used yet. Ask one of the guys who has the program to see it all, you'll see... Heck go backup your EVe install director, download the current shiva build for testing and you'll see... It's about 10 megs now. So like I said, maybe 20 megs tops when it's done. What isn't in your EVE directory won't be likely to be that big. Anyway you'll see... now... I will sit and lurk in wait for the next person who doesn't know that just because some third party mag calls it an expansion, doesn't mean it will cost anything. After all, an informed public will find other things to bicker over sooner or later Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Lord ofRedemption	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:25:00 - [85] The problem is that CCP make them selves look a tad silly when they keep saying Some thing will be out then as we all find its way off.Where i work if my deadline is missed ill get in deep ****.It would be better and nicer if they just said coming this year rather than saying May,now looks like few months off.This isnt a flame as such but where are the offical dates,replys.It would only take some one from CCP to reply saying whats going on.Making this sticky post about Shiva with whats coming out is pointless.We knew what was coming out and was expecting it this month. _____________ Retirement closing in .
Tadius Rhain	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:25:00 - [86] Allow me to rephrase... The eve client is free to download. ____________________________________________ Ideas Lab - Forum Search Feature - Sign me!
Karador	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:35:00 - [87] Besides, there where talks of pc-owned stuctures WAY before the "Shiva" name for the T2 retail server was even "thought of"... (beta phase 6-7 anyone?).... I mean. We all know how software developement goes, right. You cannot keep saying "we where promised this, we where that"... just be patient and things will sort out. If not... well, it's simple cancel your account ;) That's an easy thing to do. And there'll be more Arkonor for me to mine.
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:49:00 - [88] Just calm down and let them all come home from E3 and gather at home in iceland, have a meeting or 2 and then write us a dev blog, patience people, patience.. God i gotta change my sig..
rowbin hod	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Baleur Just calm down and let them all come home from E3 and gather at home in iceland, have a meeting or 2 and then write us a dev blog, patience people, patience.. Ah, finally - the voice of reason! --- "Due to the European lard shortage, we are currently unable to supply this product."
Managalar	Posted - 2004.05.15 12:26:00 - [90] Just to put an end to some of the Q3 debate... Originally by: Papa Smurf The internal deadline is set at 25th of May. Assume some standard slippage + testing time following that + all the usual excuses we usually label as Soon(tm) Also, the event may or may not be taking place at that point in time. Btw. there are few low-level per-race sequential missions coming in as well, which are worth doing for your race just for the fun of it at least if you aren't that far off from their starting point. The rewards aren't intended for more advanced players, but the story was well enough written to brighten my day when I was testing out the sequential feature. Soon(tm) on the level 4 though, as we're still finishing up some neccessary optimizations due to the sudden-growth sprout that blasted us into the 10k concurrant region. Can't solve everything with hardware sigh. From Missions Forums =======Abaddon======= =======Abaddon=======

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