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Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2004.05.14 15:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Exaali Vendraxxil on 17/05/2004 00:36:52 Edited by: Exaali Vendraxxil on 16/05/2004 19:10:39 Edited by: Exaali Vendraxxil on 16/05/2004 18:59:13 Not a lot of detail, but a pretty good overview of some of the new features (at least more info then I've seen anywhere else as yet..) FileFront E3 Preview of Shiva This just in.. More Shiva info from Fragland.net Shiva preview from Fragland.net Shiva Gallery from Fragland.net No idea which of those pics are "new" but I posted the link to the gallery anyway. Note: as I find more articles like these I'll add them to this original post. time is the fire in which we burn.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:03:00 - [2] hmm, veeeery nice, but note the part where it states "scheduled for release q3 2004"... wanders of worrying about how soon soon really is _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
J'tarel	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:08:00 - [3] Edited by: J'tarel on 14/05/2004 16:11:46 sorry double post -= Ninja, Ninja, Cloaky, Cloaky =- 'Sadly the days of the suicide kestrel are gone'
J'tarel	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:09:00 - [4] agreed... Very depressing.. if a Q3 release is true, then that means another 3-4 month wait AT MINIMUM... CCP would do its self a great PR favour by simply indicating to the subscribers some idea of when it is coming.. and by the way CCP (honestly) soon tm isnt funny anymore.... -= Ninja, Ninja, Cloaky, Cloaky =- 'Sadly the days of the suicide kestrel are gone'
Arud	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:10:00 - [5] wow, seems to be a much much bigger patch than expected
Lachenlaud	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Rod Blaine hmm, veeeery nice, but note the part where it states "scheduled for release q3 2004"... wanders of worrying about how soon soon really is This will really put a knot in your socks.... What if CCP is running on a FISCAL YEAR that's actually MONTHS behind the calendar year. They could still be in their Q1 of 2004 if they just started a new fiscal year at the beginning of april... MUAH! [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
illuminati	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:17:00 - [7] Bloody hell, I didnt know that much new stuff was coming! Considering the list of stuff in there, I think Q3 would be a good estimate, but I havent been on test or chaos at all lately so wuddahell do I know?
Marcennis	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Arud wow, seems to be a much much bigger patch than expected Agreed, there's lots more than I expected to see in here. The Q3 release date is ... well, more info than we had before. ;) --- Mining & Transport - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
EnderWiggin	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:18:00 - [9] Didn't P.Smurfy mention that the 'internal deadline' for Shiva was May 25th? Not that it couldn't be delayed for a major bug, of course. ---------- [ 2004.05.06 05:12:04 ] (combat) Your 250mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Guristas Invader, wrecking for 155.7 damage.
Reptar	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:21:00 - [10] ... and people wonder why these things take so long ...
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.14 16:30:00 - [11] Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields Ice fields Debris fields Small bodies Comets Orbital asteroids New planetary effects Aurora borealis Volcanic activity Atmospheric effects Meteor showers OMG i'll wait 2 more months if THATS what i get God i gotta change my sig..
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Carmen Priano on 14/05/2004 19:07:33 Q3 just means in the third quarter, not necessarily at the end of said quarter. Given that May is month 5 and the second quarter ends at the end of June, month 6, this means we could see the release anywhere from July 1st to September 30th. Of course, this is if CCP confirms the Q3 release date -- they could very well say that they gave a very conservative estimate to the news company but hope to have an initial release in early June, for instance. ;) So! Anyone from CCP care t'confirm the feature list and give a confirmation of some general time we can hope for this all? ;)
Matthew Johnson	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:21:00 - [13] \o/ EVE4EVER! +++ Trade...good for you, good for me +++
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:26:00 - [14] I'm just curious, but why is this being called E3 info? I just checked the E3 exhibitor map and then double checked the one online and CCP isn't listed anywhere. Anyone know which hall they're in? Kentia? Concourse? South? West? The carboard table out front by the fountain? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:37:00 - [15] Hive, gotta love the sound of that. Convert Stations
Eugene Spencer	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:38:00 - [16] OMFG Shiva's gonna kick ass! www.gumpcom.com
Kalissa	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:42:00 - [17] Well as was said Q3 could be as soon as July, not as soon as I'd have hoped for but if thats what we're gonna get with Shiva then it looks like it's gonna be well worth the wait. Anyway if CCP are smart, they'll purposely be conservative with the release date anyway, we might even see Shiva appear in June.
Re'ah	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:44:00 - [18] I hate when they call it expansion pack. EVE doesn't have those, that's one of the reasons why EVE kicks the ass of all the other major MMORPG's.
Yolan	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:44:00 - [19] OMG SHIVA sounds like it's going to be the mutts nutts! Excuse me whilst I go change my underwear.
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.05.14 19:50:00 - [20] Edited by: Aronis Contar on 14/05/2004 20:25:31 EDIT: Thanks for fixing Ciao, Aronis! PS: GREAT stuff in the article! Since I'll anyway stay with EVE till they turn the AC in the server room off, just take your time and make sure everything works decently when it gets introduced.
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Baleur Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields Ice fields Debris fields Small bodies Comets Orbital asteroids New planetary effects Aurora borealis Volcanic activity Atmospheric effects Meteor showers OMG i'll wait 2 more months if THATS what i get Hope you're ready to wait a bit longer than that. There's a list just as long of content that was supposed to be in Castor that we still haven't seen. short example: Tech2 weapons Mobile Refineries Player-based Cloaking(not JIP) salvage/repair/rogue drones There's tons more stuff if you go back and read the CSMs and Dev chats leading up to Castor's release. Stuff we've never seen since Castor. Alot of it changed to be in Shiva. Makes a person wonder how much of the Shiva-promised stuff will make it's way to Kali's list. In other words, don't base your hopes on what CCP is listing as Shiva's content. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:05:00 - [22] Tease, your glass is always half-empty, huh? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ioncloud	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:14:00 - [23] PLanetary rings? You mean those things that were shown in the trailer video with the Ibis flying past a planet are finally comming into the game... for real? System wide belts have been screaming for the light of day since this games release, not just these 60km wide semicircle of potatoes.
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:41:00 - [24] These addons look ******* awesome, pardon my french. I hope these are ALL going to be in shiva.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:48:00 - [25] I'm really excited about the planetary effects like meteor showers and volcanic activity. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:54:00 - [26] Q3... sigh Oh well. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Kintac	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:59:00 - [27] What the hell do you think are you doing ? Kidding us all the time, promissing things for months and not fullfilling them. The new content was promised in early 2004. And now Q3 2004 I don¦t want any longer I¦m ***ed off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And THANK YOU VERY MUCH that you closed my thread I started and THANKS for your hint: "Ranting is Prohibited. Any objections can be mailed to [email protected]" THANKS that free speech is not allowed in this forum
Unleashed	Posted - 2004.05.14 20:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Tease Originally by: Baleur Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields Ice fields Debris fields Small bodies Comets Orbital asteroids New planetary effects Aurora borealis Volcanic activity Atmospheric effects Meteor showers OMG i'll wait 2 more months if THATS what i get Hope you're ready to wait a bit longer than that. There's a list just as long of content that was supposed to be in Castor that we still haven't seen. short example: Tech2 weapons Mobile Refineries Player-based Cloaking(not JIP) salvage/repair/rogue drones There's tons more stuff if you go back and read the CSMs and Dev chats leading up to Castor's release. Stuff we've never seen since Castor. Alot of it changed to be in Shiva. Makes a person wonder how much of the Shiva-promised stuff will make it's way to Kali's list. In other words, don't base your hopes on what CCP is listing as Shiva's content. It should be 'insta' content though, I doubt that the planetary rings, comets, system wide asteroid belts and the like, will be released through research agents ___ >currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
Nomaar	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:04:00 - [29] The expansion sounds great, like the stuff other games usually make you pay extra money for. But I am worried about how all the space environment stuff -- comets, meteor showers, etc. -- are going to affect framerates. As it is now, my fps takes a nosedive whenever one of those puffy dust clouds comes into view, and I have a high-end system.
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Bella Verde on 14/05/2004 21:10:57 Originally by: Joshua Calvert I'm really excited about the planetary effects like meteor showers and volcanic activity. Yeah, those and the other celestial bodies seem really cool. I hope those ice fields, debris fields and such will affect your ship, maybe damage it a little bit... or perhaps some gas clouds or nebulas that disable sensors leading into, out of, or within the nebula and make it hard to lock. The main thing that I'm excited about are the scenarios and 'dungeon' type things, and also the new NPCs. There is something they say about 'empire operations', that sounds interesting, too. Might be actual empire fleets roaming around. I hope they improve NPC intelligence, concord in particular...
rcxdude	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:10:00 - [31] that looks sweet! perhaps those extra graphics could be turned off or downgraded for lower end computers... i hope that the player owned station stuff takes priority over this though ( I prefer content to more eye candy) very, very nice CCP. I just hope most of it comes out before june/july
Tease	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Tease, your glass is always half-empty, huh? hehe, I'm just being realistic :) Other people keep asking me why I don't think CCP learned a lesson with the failure of Castor. The list of Castor content still not in the game is my proof that they haven't. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:12:00 - [33] Originally by: Nomaar The expansion sounds great, like the stuff other games usually make you pay extra money for. But I am worried about how all the space environment stuff -- comets, meteor showers, etc. -- are going to affect framerates. As it is now, my fps takes a nosedive whenever one of those puffy dust clouds comes into view, and I have a high-end system. I have a somewhat decent system, the main problem I have with lag is during battles, involving 40 or more ships.
flummox	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:14:00 - [34] "Q3" is an industry buzzword for reporters. they probably get extra cash everytime they use it. so, keep that in mind... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:19:00 - [35] Caps where caps are due: YOU GUYS ROCK! --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Cameron Hatch	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:43:00 - [36] COOL!
Dammsugaren	Posted - 2004.05.14 21:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Dammsugaren on 14/05/2004 21:51:48 Originally by: Kintac What the hell do you think are you doing ? Kidding us all the time, promissing things for months and not fullfilling them. The new content was promised in early 2004. And now Q3 2004 I don¦t want any longer I¦m ****ed off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can i have your stuff? did you really think they would release Shiva 2 months after Castor? Btw, all the stuff looks great... with all that stuff and the balance changes we will have a totally new game to play...
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.14 22:24:00 - [38] "Q3" isnt an buzzword, it means 'Third Quarter' (there are four financial quarters in the year for buisness). January - April is the 1st Quarter April - July is the 2nd Quarter July - October is the 3rd Quarter October - January is the 4th Quarter Since they are reporting that this should be ready by the 3rd Quarter (or Q3) we should expect to see Shiva at the beginning of July at the earliest. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Macca	Posted - 2004.05.14 22:28:00 - [39] Got to agree with the whiners on one point. Up untill yesterday it was 'Some time in May'. now its between July - September. I was really looking forward to the new stations, but I don't mind waiting another few months to get them. I have patience (Unlike some of you ). It means they can test things fully before introducing them to 10,000+ people. --------
Dire Wolf	Posted - 2004.05.14 22:33:00 - [40] the US military fiscal year begins in october. take into account all the different times countries us, and theres no telling which Q3 they are actually using. ----------------------------------------------- The big dog is comin for ya
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.05.14 22:49:00 - [41] aaaaaaaaaaa WTF CCP.... NEVER SAY AGAIN the month just say SOON(tm) like the t-shirt i have :P you destroy my dream.... i was 15 more days for shiva... party!!!! ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Soulstinger	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:13:00 - [42] Is anyone else picking up from their 'expansion' wording about SHiva that we will have to buy it? Most games have an expansion after this long but I will be -DAMNED- if I agree with Shiva being an expansion. Half of this stuff was promised at RELEASE! Player structures have been 'around the corner' for months now. Now I like all the projected content of Shiva, but if we have to pay 40/50 dollars for it I and probably many others will be mega ****ed.
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Daakkon on 14/05/2004 23:20:25 Originally by: Soulstinger Is anyone else picking up from their 'expansion' wording about SHiva that we will have to buy it? Most games have an expansion after this long but I will be -DAMNED- if I agree with Shiva being an expansion. Half of this stuff was promised at RELEASE! Player structures have been 'around the corner' for months now. Now I like all the projected content of Shiva, but if we have to pay 40/50 dollars for it I and probably many others will be mega **ed. are you dumb or something? for any mmorpg if the patch is a HUGE patch it will be called an expansion because of all the stuff its adding shiva is a FREE EXPANSION all you have to pay for is the monthly fee in order to play EVE Dark Age of Camelot has a new FREE expansion coming out called New Frontiers and a RETAIL expansion called Catacombs...learn the difference CCP has said in the past that they will not charge people for expansions unless its a huuuuge expansion like landing on planets (remember those leaked shots anyone?) an expansion like that would be like 200+mb www.dark-cartel.com**
Nomi Asterrn	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:23:00 - [44] Just wanna say . Release info to this site , not another site. Release to players to inspire them. I feel a little anoyed that I have to read third party sites, with all the advertising and stuff. A dev blog with the same or better info is required. Thanks THE WEAK CAUSE MORE HARM THAN THE STRONG
Skaz	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:28:00 - [45] Moved from another thread that was locked : Well I didn't know Shiva would be this massive.....which leads me to believe that we will have problems, I'm not saying this to be a doomsayer it's just natural big patch = multiple problems And considering CCP's history with big patches...you do the thinking, ok? But I'm also excited at all that new stuff they're adding, that better not be all vaporware that they're advertising there or be added later DURING Shiva, CCP has a tendency to say that thing will come with this and that patch not in the next patch a better development process I agree but misleading and unfair to the customer. But all in all I'm excited, Shiva seems to be much more massive than I expected and more content is better right? I feel the impending something but not doom exactly, but Shiva really is the completion of Tech 2, Castor was disappointing and only introduced T2 but didn't get it in fully and completely. But like Josh said here before this is all months away....I think we can forget May like they said sometime and June is not likely... "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:30:00 - [46] nobody knew shiva would be this massive i guarantee you they did ALOT of optimising aswell if they are adding all the new graphics etc... but i bet by the end of may shiva will be available for PUBLIC testing www.dark-cartel.com
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Dire Wolf the US military fiscal year begins in october. take into account all the different times countries us, and theres no telling which Q3 they are actually using. The universal fiscal year for buisness starts in January, anyone listed on any stock market follows what I outlined. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Gary Corn	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:46:00 - [48] I'm betting on Q3 of this millenium, but for once I hope I'm wrong. See you in 2629!
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:48:00 - [49] Thank you on whoever suggested how i save money, but that thread waws locked and i was directed here. Seeker. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Amin	Posted - 2004.05.14 23:57:00 - [50] Im a bit down hearted about the Q3 release date aswell but consider two things: I) This release date was given by a third-party site, i wouldn't take it too seriously until we get confirmation from the devs (Next CSM, perhaps) II) I was under the impression that the devs were going to patch up to Shiva with a number of smaller patches, instead of the one big patch we had for Castor, to help iron out bugs. This might mean that we still will see the first step-up patch by the end of May, with a series of patching until July. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 00:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Re'ah I hate when they call it expansion pack. EVE doesn't have those, that's one of the reasons why EVE kicks the ass of all the other major MMORPG's. yeah, but they are like in Lineage 2 (shivers), "free expansion packs", so lets keep calling em expansion packs, and when outsiders ask who are gonna buy em all, you can say, they are free!! "wooooow" they say okok me quiet now =) thx God i gotta change my sig..
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.15 00:36:00 - [52] Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 15/05/2004 00:38:18 Just a few days ago there was a forum reply from Papa Smurf stating that the internal deadline for shiva rollout was 26th or something this month. I think there's still one possibility: We will get the Shiva patch within a few weeks as planned. A bit later, sometime in Q3, there will be a boxed Shiva version of Eve in stores, which could be what the article is about.
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 00:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Tease, your glass is always half-empty, huh? LoL couldnt have said it better myself, ive been trough 6+ mmorpgs, i know how it works, eve has the nicest playerbase And devs ive ever seen, so please, let me be happy if i choose to be so God i gotta change my sig..
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 00:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Baleur on 15/05/2004 00:46:51 Originally by: Nomaar The expansion sounds great, like the stuff other games usually make you pay extra money for. But I am worried about how all the space environment stuff -- comets, meteor showers, etc. -- are going to affect framerates. As it is now, my fps takes a nosedive whenever one of those puffy dust clouds comes into view, and I have a high-end system. then you dont have a very high-end system, i only have a p4 2.4ghz, 512mb ram and a fx 5800 and eve runs as smooth as an oily chick in a soaked bathtub (and thats with 2q FSAA) God i gotta change my sig..
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Amin Im a bit down hearted about the Q3 release date aswell but consider two things: I) This release date was given by a third-party site, i wouldn't take it too seriously until we get confirmation from the devs (Next CSM, perhaps) II) I was under the impression that the devs were going to patch up to Shiva with a number of smaller patches, instead of the one big patch we had for Castor, to help iron out bugs. This might mean that we still will see the first step-up patch by the end of May, with a series of patching until July. Take a look at my signature, and you have CCP's "confirmation" credibility right there, dont think thats all I have too, if you eve-mail me I'll send you a word document that covers everything missing from the first CSM chat until september 2003 (Eve-I was supposed to publish it, they even asked for help in research, but they changed their mind, and I havent updated it). Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:22:00 - [56] Edited by: Demangel on 15/05/2004 01:24:02 I agree with an Ealier poster when they expressed concerns about the way it may get released... I do NOT want to see all of the new content trickle in like all other patches have done. But I don't want to see it all bugged to hell and back either. So IF CCP releases at least the majority of the content in one patch, but takes an extra 3-4 months to release to ensure fewer bugs, then you will not hear any complaints from me... even if it is bugged up to hell and back (so long as no permanent damage is done, like lost characters or assets ETC heheh). I would have to say that some of the news I found the most exciting have the least to do with new "toys" and more to do with new environments, and what sound like a LOT more interactive environmental content. For example here are my favs: Super massive asteroid fields: Not because of the greater ore content this implies, but the fact that it implies something more stimulating that a semi circular collection of easy access asteroids... It might be a profitable occupation to be a prospector if this is done correctly, scouting deep into vast asteroid fields in search of the best ore concentrations, and the occasional rare ore asteroid. Imagine spending an hour scouting out an asteroid field in .4 space, finaly locating a few well sized ark roids in a distant corner of the belt? I want asteroid belts to be places you can get lost in... I want to see asteroid belts that remind me of the belt in the movie Star wars: The Empire Strikes Back. THAT WOULD ROCK LITERALLY! System-wide fields: This conjurs up many questions, but many fantasies as well, will we be able to hide in vast nebulas? New planetary effects: Probably just EYE candy, but it sounds hella cool! Better intra-system navigation: If this even remotely means what I think it means, I will be in heaven. But really what does this mean? Just better graphics for the system map? Or does it mean a skill/module/free ability to warp to places that arn't listed? IE empty space? hidden objects? This would be wonderful for explorers if it's don't properly... I hate it when even supposedly "Hidden" things like Hidden serpentis outposts, are displayed plain as day for all the world to see... "DON'T LOOK HERE CONCORD! THIS BEACON IS JUST A JOKE!" Fleet command: This sounds VERY sexy! Especialy the bit about objectives! Dungeons: From what I can see, they will be a worthy addition, I just hope CCP means it when they say they will be intended for everyone, because it would REALLY **** me off if only high level megacorp raids are possible... I'd hate to have HAVE to have a BS and a big corp behind me to try one... Not saying I should be able to solo it nescessarily... But you get the picture I think. All in All I have a sneaking suspicion that we will only get the stations, and maybe a UI change durring the first patch... IT fits CCP's style of cardboard carrot on a stick to entice us into sticking around to see the "new" stuff... then make us work for the chance to see the stuff by waiting another 6 months to a year for it to trickle onto TQ... People who began EVE when EVE was first released should know exactly what I'm talking about. Especialy since a great deal of this content we are all looking foreward too, was things we where promised or otherwise implied by CCP to be ready by release back durring the beta days... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Brolly	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:27:00 - [57] Wahey!, calculator and notepad Don't give a monkeys about the rest of it
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:33:00 - [58] note that it says...... Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields as if the planetary rings and system-wide fields are a sub-category of super massive asteroid fields, so that prolly rules out the nebula idea, more likely to be system-wide asteroid fields God i gotta change my sig..
Leitari	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Leitari on 15/05/2004 01:35:02 Nice listings. But I do have to remind you that missing Tech 2 items such as Warp disruptors, warp scramblers, ecm jammers and webifiers are still missing while the Tech 2 Backup arrays (minmatar/amarr) and Warp core stabilizers are still missing from the game. I understand that they do not appear into the game until someone starts researching Amarr/minmatar tech but this is getting ridicoulus. This creates a big unbalance in the fighting scenarios. I do believe Shiva will bring many older players back to the game. And probably keep me in the game as well for a while Keep up the good work. Here, Only the silent survive.
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:42:00 - [60] "All in all, the game appears to be on track for its Q3 release this year, and should make quite a splash in the MMORPG market as it already has an immediate audience in its loyal bands of EVE players." mmk, either the writer did a confusing job, or this states that there will be a boxed version availible for buying?? If so, which i hope due to my next point, then we might, even should, see Shiva before Q3, if they'r gonna mass-produce it and sell it like a friggen piece of tasty ass meat!!!! God i gotta change my sig..
Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Baleur note that it says...... Super massive asteroid fields Planetary rings System-wide fields as if the planetary rings and system-wide fields are a sub-category of super massive asteroid fields, so that prolly rules out the nebula idea, more likely to be system-wide asteroid fields My read of 'system-wide fields' was more along the lines of radiation/energy fields and/or nebulae and such.. ie: system A has such high radiation levels you need a radiation sheild hardener (or something) to travel there. But I could be wrong. time is the fire in which we burn.
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:51:00 - [62] Yeah I noted that It's still interesting though. My main concern is that ANYTHING will be better than these super convenient asteroid belts as we have em now... In theory you can hit at least 50% of the roids in a belt without having to move your ship... Talk about boring... Mining might be more interesting if it involved some exploration and prospecting. I for one would find it both more challenging, and more time consuming, but also more engaging if I had to say... Fly for 10 minutes around the asteroid belt in search of another quality roid to mine. Sure it might annoy some... But it should make it a more hands on process. Also remember if the belts are larger overal, it will mean a lot more room for CCP to hide higher end roids. IT would mean more higher end ore in every system, and maybe some ore in empire space we don't now see... Imagine if you will, exploring a massive 1,500KM wide, 600KM tall asteroid field in .4 space. Knowing that somewhere out there in the collection of rocks, there might be a Arkanor patch just ripe for your mining lasers... Imagine how much more fun it will be to pirate in those fields... hiding your ship in them waiting for prospecters to come by... Thats the kind of game i was expecting at launch... I doubt the changes will make this happen the way I wish they would, but It's gotta be better than it is now. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Tadius Rhain	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Soulstinger Is anyone else picking up from their 'expansion' wording about SHiva that we will have to buy it? Most games have an expansion after this long but I will be -DAMNED- if I agree with Shiva being an expansion. Half of this stuff was promised at RELEASE! Player structures have been 'around the corner' for months now. Now I like all the projected content of Shiva, but if we have to pay 40/50 dollars for it I and probably many others will be mega ****ed. The eve client is free. Castor was free. CCP always said the tech 'expansions' to eve would be free, and that there would be tech levels 1-5. The problem is, when you say "tech 3" people go "omg miner3's!!!1". Saying expansion pack evokes ideas of new content. I expect Shiva will be a free expansion. ____________________________________________ Ideas Lab - Forum Search Feature - Sign me!
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 01:52:00 - [64] same here, but i mean the fact that the that is a sub-category of super massive asteroid fields.. if it did not include asteroids it would have been a category of it own God i gotta change my sig..
Brolly	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:01:00 - [65] hmmm, just a thought on these system wide asteroid fields...are our ships still gonna get stuck in roids and there wierd 'loogy' field?. Hmm, funstuffs indeed
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Brolly hmmm, just a thought on these system wide asteroid fields...are our ships still gonna get stuck in roids and there wierd 'loogy' field?. Hmm, funstuffs indeed Who knows, maybe the bigger roid fields will have more space between the roids? Thats another complaint I have about the current belts... All the roids are so clustered together it means you NEED a boring distribution to even be able to get to the ore... I hope we'll see a couple of clusters and patches, say 5-20 roids all clinging to one another in close orbit, and thsouands of roids distributed far enough apart to allow cruisers to fly around with a little practice. But another thing to think about is the fact that maybe, just maybe, CCP will want frigates to be used more for the actual harvesting, and bigger ships to serve more as cargo ferrying ships, or ships that harvest easier to reach ore, leading to industrials in more open areas waiting to take the ore to station? Anyway Just a thought Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Ae0n FlUx	Posted - 2004.05.15 02:28:00 - [67] ...well..Im thinking about it this way..there were certain things unique to EnB. You could actually land on Planets...some of thos eplanets even incorporated missions (like their so called dungeons theyre talking about introducing)..also..the ever popular "Rogue drone"..Do we remember these from EnB?.. Sounds to me like maybe..just maybe NOW that EnB wont be around to sue CCP amnd CCP knew they couldnt come up off of some of the previous patch promises they have made...they decided to steal those ideas...wash them off..polish them up..and try to make them their own. I happen to know for a fact that warping into a massive belt where more than 100 asteroids are all spinning at the same time and warping to a gate that has a bit too many people jumping thru or even warping into a crowded system like "Yulai" causes a beautiful slide show to insue. I agree too..."Thanx alot CCP for letting us in on the secret...but ofcourse..theyve hooked us..right?..they dont "need" our approval..What they do need is the BIGGEST SPLASH this year for file planet and Game stop bla blabla....and theyre not going to get that from telling us much..they want to brag to the "outside" world..thats who theyve not "hooked" yet. Again..it sounds to be a very nice patch..and what do they care if setting it back a few months inorder to sling in a few EnB knock offs causes impatience amongst their clientele....right? Dont lose focus!..They've still not given us "player built" stations...they've not given us the "Jovian Race"..and they've STILL have not given us alot of what was promised in Castor...so dont believe the hype..and "SHOW ME THE MONEY"!! I've learned..I don't believe anything CCP says until I SEE it..."working"...."functional"...and nOT causing my ship to be caught by their "Faltless programming" being destroyed by anything but BUGS! Ae0N FlUx
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:15:00 - [68] Quote: Market In-flight access YES!
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:18:00 - [69] Uhm.. if game makers could sue each other for stealing such basic conceptual ideas you mention, then David Braben and Ian Bell could have made a lot of money from all "open type" space games that have been released after Elite in 1982... I don't think EnB being or not being has anything to do what CCP does with EVE.
StealthNet	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:19:00 - [70] I read the article and I want to be wrong. I'm away from eve in the last 2 months due to a project I'm in. I'll return to eve as soon as I have some spare time back, at the end of may, start of june. What I understood from the article is that shiva will "prolly" be an expansion, another box or download to buy. I would like to have some clarification about that, since when I started playing eve more than a year ago, and when I started hearing about shiva, it was supposed to be a patch, not a whole new package, as it seems. _______________________________________________
Skaz	Posted - 2004.05.15 03:32:00 - [71] Ahh, I'm about to say what everybody is wanting to say but are afraid to look too n00bish or demanding..... Could we get a response from a dev? Hellmar, a few words to us loyal EVE players? Instead of letting the reporters who apparently barely play the game get all the good stuff... Just a suggestion a devblog on how and maybe when you expect to release Shiva. Can't wait for the CSM's (BTW any word on when they start again?) I promise I won't go all SteingrÝmur J. Sigf·sson on you (an Icelandic political joke) "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.05.15 04:06:00 - [72] alot of you don't think about alot of the under-the-hood changes theyve made...like optimizing the engine and ui and shiva is a FREE expansion...get that through your thick skulls your not gonna have to pay for it you only have to pay for the monthly fee which eve requires... if you install the shiva patch and open the browser on the login screen and move the window around you will notice that its alot smoother etc... they have upgraded the engine to trinity 2.5 the current one on tranq is trinity 2.0 www.dark-cartel.com
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 04:06:00 - [73] Originally by: StealthNet I read the article and I want to be wrong. I'm away from eve in the last 2 months due to a project I'm in. I'll return to eve as soon as I have some spare time back, at the end of may, start of june. What I understood from the article is that shiva will "prolly" be an expansion, another box or download to buy. I would like to have some clarification about that, since when I started playing eve more than a year ago, and when I started hearing about shiva, it was supposed to be a patch, not a whole new package, as it seems. You want to be wrong? Well Good news, there is a 95% probability that you are wrong. Remember the majority of this content is stuff that was promised to be ready about oh... 12 months ago. It's all stuff they already had, but needed to balance/finish etc. Obviously some things are new ideas, but much of it uses old stuff. Also remember that 95% of this content that will be high profile. How the heck could they put in Player owned stations and then expect players to not be able to dock at them unless they pay for an expansion? It makes no sense... It would probably cost more in DEV salery time to devise code to ensure this doesn't happen than it would make for CCP. No Expansion packs can only be successful if they involve completely NEW areas that can be easily blocked off from other players. Else it's not going to work. For example, If the EVE gate opens, thats an expansion pack for sure, and will likely cost money. Planetary landing is also a likely expansion pack. The fact that some third party website (Noob to EVE), called it an expansion doesn't mean jack or $hit. This wasn't an "official press release" from CCP, nor was it a qoute from Hellmar or someone else in the know. If you want more evidance, read logs of the CSM events, I know I saw it stated there many times that Shiva, and just about all future patches for a LONG time to come will be FREE for paying subscribers. Remember the REAL money in a MMORPG busines doesn't come from selling the boxes, it comes from selling the accounts and getting your monthly fee. Most of the time expansion packs cost money to make putting out the new content on CD profitable. The expansions tend attract more players as well. If the amount of content released doesn't require more CD's then most players won't go for it... Why spend $40 on 10megs worth of new content? it makes no sense... Online distribution over the net isn't that profitable either... most players would rather have a CD. So in the end the only reason CCP would make Shiva a "RETAIL EXPANSION" As opposed to a "FREE EXPANSION PATCH" would be if they want to commit economic suicide... So don't worry, your chances of being correct are only about 5% in my book, and really only if you fall into a dimensional rift into another universe or something. If it ends up being true, I will probably Eat my hard drive. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Allaina	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru The universal fiscal year for buisness starts in January, anyone listed on any stock market follows what I outlined. You Sir are mistaken. I work for a Fortune500 company (most certainly a publicly traded company) and our fiscal year begins in September. That puts us squarely in Q3.
MacLagavulin	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Falbala Quote: Market In-flight access YES! Oh yeah, that's realy new ... or, wasn't this in when I started playing last November? Yes, I can remember that you could do a right-click on items in the ships cargo hold and view the market if you don't show some respect, don't expect it from me
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:33:00 - [76] If you played Frontier Elite or Whale's Voyage they had an economy scanner in it, so no it can't be new but much needed yes.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.05.15 06:56:00 - [77] Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 15/05/2004 07:01:58 COME ON CCP people are geting bored more more same **** differnt day... alot in my corp many friend and the Greece channel from 40 people now is max 12 we ask why they dont log in they say the same thing ... BORED and waiting for a new patch or shiva do something fust all i do the last days is change skills..... ps: and dont start the why you are bored.... find or create fun ...playing since beta 5 i have done everything multyple times exept been pirate.... put a new patch that fck the game change the missile kill the laser SOMETHING!!! to make us change tactic and weapon setup :PPPP ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5)* ---------------------------------------
Blazius	Posted - 2004.05.15 07:54:00 - [78] How about an official response on ETA... a real one... I will take CCP's word of late May over this site which says a lot of things but doesnt explain any of them... This article doesnt even say which developer/developers this person talked to... CCP should clear this up and tell us what we need to expect and when... If they dont they are just allowing tension to take over gamers having fun and that is exactly what they shouldnt do... CCP? You there???
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:03:00 - [79] You got to be f****** kidding me. Q3?????? Third bloody quarter?? I thought ETA was may on Shiva.. SoonÖ
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:25:00 - [80] They call Shive an expantion pack, will we be forced to buy it in order to be able to use the new things (like with Planetside Core Combat) or will the game simply be updated and allow everyone to use the new stuff? PlanetSide = p00 --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:33:00 - [81] No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. SoonÖ
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Muthsera No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. The same with planetside, however people who didnt pay an extra $20 for the expasion simply couldnt fire the new weapons, ride the new vehicles or enter the planet core. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Muthsera	Posted - 2004.05.15 08:54:00 - [83] Yeah.. I guess CCP could do that if they chose to. I hope they don't I whould be very disapointed. Anyway.. I'm going to be a bit more serius. When I joined in january it was allready talk about a player owned structures. Now Four months later we're in the month when the latest ETA of shiva was promiced. I don't want to speculate on who or why ppl said that. I was always under the impression it was a dev leak though. And I can see why CCP whould want to keep the date secret. (oh the antisipation) But right now I feel that the devs (even though they do a brilliant job) is prosponding the release of shiva. They've been thinking and making shiva since september. And lately we only had a few small patches. Mostly bug fixes, one I whould call medium size patch. I and I guess most others, have been holding on for shiva. And we planned for that. So I don't quite know what to belive. Guess in the end I only want an offisial ETA on it. Becus right now the moral around here is a bit low. (guess I contributed to that) SoonÖ
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 09:40:00 - [84] Edited by: Demangel on 15/05/2004 09:45:28 Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Originally by: Muthsera No.. That is why we pay a monthly fee. The same with planetside, however people who didnt pay an extra $20 for the expasion simply couldnt fire the new weapons, ride the new vehicles or enter the planet core. This aint planetside CCP has said many times before that Shiva is planned to be free, just like Castor, just like every other patch. I said it before about five or ten posts before, I'll say it again. the majority of content being released is stuff that was planned to be in the game at release time. IF CCP gets the bright idea of Charging for Shiva, I suspect they will lose a LOT of money... It doesn't give enough content to be worthy of a true expansion, nor does the content really give us anything like new areas ETC. Instead it gives us new tech, and a few new environments, which could not legitimately be segregated from Vanila EVE to expansion EVE without breaking immersion. It's not like the EVE gate opened, you could easily explain why you need to expansion pack for that. Like your buying out of game the liscense from concord to travel beyond the EVE gate or something. But come on now... In the case of planetside, thier expansion was a miserable flop anyway, I should know... I was there too. The new weapons and vehicles blew donky balls most times, and thier impact on battles was either minimal, or overlooked, the caverns were meant to be door to door style battlegrounds, and ended up being emptier than a 0.0 system two minutes before downtime. In the case of older games like Ever*****, when you got an expansion you got entire new continents to explore... BIG difference. Last, but probably more important than all the other points i just made: CCP stated many times in the past that Shiva would be free. If they where to change this now, and charge for Shiva, it would be serious case of unethical (though probably not illegal) marketing. "It's ok disgruntled player, Shiva will fix everything, it will be free too, just keep subscribing till then, thats all we ask." one month prior to shiva release: "Due to unforseen circumstances, we need to charge you $40 for a CD that contains about 10 megs worth of data. We know you will be happy with this in the long run" Yes i said about ten megs of data, because I highly doubt Shiva will take very much more than that I'd say 20 megs as the absolute most, as most of the "content" is already in your EVE directory, it's just gonna have modified stats, or hasn't been used yet. Ask one of the guys who has the program to see it all, you'll see... Heck go backup your EVe install director, download the current shiva build for testing and you'll see... It's about 10 megs now. So like I said, maybe 20 megs tops when it's done. What isn't in your EVE directory won't be likely to be that big. Anyway you'll see... now... I will sit and lurk in wait for the next person who doesn't know that just because some third party mag calls it an expansion, doesn't mean it will cost anything. After all, an informed public will find other things to bicker over sooner or later Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Lord ofRedemption	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:25:00 - [85] The problem is that CCP make them selves look a tad silly when they keep saying Some thing will be out then as we all find its way off.Where i work if my deadline is missed ill get in deep ****.It would be better and nicer if they just said coming this year rather than saying May,now looks like few months off.This isnt a flame as such but where are the offical dates,replys.It would only take some one from CCP to reply saying whats going on.Making this sticky post about Shiva with whats coming out is pointless.We knew what was coming out and was expecting it this month. _____________ Retirement closing in .
Tadius Rhain	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:25:00 - [86] Allow me to rephrase... The eve client is free to download. ____________________________________________ Ideas Lab - Forum Search Feature - Sign me!
Karador	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:35:00 - [87] Besides, there where talks of pc-owned stuctures WAY before the "Shiva" name for the T2 retail server was even "thought of"... (beta phase 6-7 anyone?).... I mean. We all know how software developement goes, right. You cannot keep saying "we where promised this, we where that"... just be patient and things will sort out. If not... well, it's simple cancel your account ;) That's an easy thing to do. And there'll be more Arkonor for me to mine.
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:49:00 - [88] Just calm down and let them all come home from E3 and gather at home in iceland, have a meeting or 2 and then write us a dev blog, patience people, patience.. God i gotta change my sig..
rowbin hod	Posted - 2004.05.15 11:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Baleur Just calm down and let them all come home from E3 and gather at home in iceland, have a meeting or 2 and then write us a dev blog, patience people, patience.. Ah, finally - the voice of reason! --- "Due to the European lard shortage, we are currently unable to supply this product."
Managalar	Posted - 2004.05.15 12:26:00 - [90] Just to put an end to some of the Q3 debate... Originally by: Papa Smurf The internal deadline is set at 25th of May. Assume some standard slippage + testing time following that + all the usual excuses we usually label as Soon(tm) Also, the event may or may not be taking place at that point in time. Btw. there are few low-level per-race sequential missions coming in as well, which are worth doing for your race just for the fun of it at least if you aren't that far off from their starting point. The rewards aren't intended for more advanced players, but the story was well enough written to brighten my day when I was testing out the sequential feature. Soon(tm) on the level 4 though, as we're still finishing up some neccessary optimizations due to the sudden-growth sprout that blasted us into the 10k concurrant region. Can't solve everything with hardware sigh. From Missions Forums =======Abaddon======= =======Abaddon=======
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.15 12:42:00 - [91] k Sweet :) --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ice Angel	Posted - 2004.05.15 13:59:00 - [92] Edited by: Ice Angel on 15/05/2004 14:11:22 Note that the main page now displays a link to that "Shiva scoop". I'm a bit frustrated that it came from another website, though. I'd have expected Hellmar or some other dev to post something directly to us on the forums or the blog, just after it was official. That would have been a lot more polite and friendly. I just suppose they're busy at the E3, glaring at the girls standing in front of some of the stands, and that they will post some more insightful info when they get back !
brapple	Posted - 2004.05.15 17:18:00 - [93] Originally by: Ice Angel Edited by: Ice Angel on 15/05/2004 14:11:22 Note that the main page now displays a link to that "Shiva scoop". I'm a bit frustrated that it came from another website, though. I'd have expected Hellmar or some other dev to post something directly to us on the forums or the blog, just after it was official. That would have been a lot more polite and friendly. I just suppose they're busy at the E3, glaring at the girls standing in front of some of the stands, and that they will post some more insightful info when they get back ! I was at E3. CCP wasn't here. Look at the E3 website if you don't believe me: http://www.e3expo.com/exhibiting_info/exhibit_sales_info/list/ also, this is from the fragland website all this E3 info is coming from: CCP may not have an official presence at E3 but this news still is interesting. I'm not saying all this Shiva news is false or anything like that, but if CCP is lying about something as stupid as being at E3, what the hell else are they lying about?
Nathan Adler	Posted - 2004.05.15 17:53:00 - [94] Edited by: Nathan Adler on 15/05/2004 17:55:03 Originally by: brapple I was at E3. CCP wasn't here. Look at the E3 website if you don't believe me: http://www.e3expo.com/exhibiting_info/exhibit_sales_info/list/ also, this is from the fragland website all this E3 info is coming from: CCP may not have an official presence at E3 but this news still is interesting. I'm not saying all this Shiva news is false or anything like that, but if CCP is lying about something as stupid as being at E3, what the hell else are they lying about? Just because they didn't have a booth doesn't mean they weren't there. Think about it.
Ice Angel	Posted - 2004.05.15 18:18:00 - [95] Yep, they could have been there as visitors.
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.05.15 18:31:00 - [96] Shiva sounds like it will be great, i certainly dont mind waiting for it, I dont even mind paying for it, but I dont agree with us finding out about the release date from some obscure website, should there not have been an announcement somewhere here on the official forums for us? If there was and I missed it then forgive me. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Darksheer	Posted - 2004.05.15 19:22:00 - [97] sorry brapple but I was there as well and CCP was there they had some suits and keiron the new community guy there no they didnt have a booth but they were attending meetings alot of stuff goes on at e-3 that the "exhibit only" badges do not know about or were not allowed into not trying to run anyone down but thats how it works the new buzzword is "behind closed doors" or as i like to put it "our games sux so bad that we only let fanbois see it" alot of the crap that site posted is stuff we already knew about and for the release date till I hear it from ccp devs directly ill ignore it as questionable info my 2 cents on the entire thing im still waiting for caster to be released we have 16 new ships based on 8 hull designs we have a bunch of really useless items with 3 or 4 things tossed in that are usefull caster .001 came out 5 months ago and we are still waiting for a gun why worry about shiva when caster isnt even released completely Rant off Originally by: brapple Originally by: Ice Angel Edited by: Ice Angel on 15/05/2004 14:11:22 Note that the main page now displays a link to that "Shiva scoop". I'm a bit frustrated that it came from another website, though. I'd have expected Hellmar or some other dev to post something directly to us on the forums or the blog, just after it was official. That would have been a lot more polite and friendly. I just suppose they're busy at the E3, glaring at the girls standing in front of some of the stands, and that they will post some more insightful info when they get back ! I was at E3. CCP wasn't here. Look at the E3 website if you don't believe me: http://www.e3expo.com/exhibiting_info/exhibit_sales_info/list/ also, this is from the fragland website all this E3 info is coming from: CCP may not have an official presence at E3 but this news still is interesting. I'm not saying all this Shiva news is false or anything like that, but if CCP is lying about something as stupid as being at E3, what the hell else are they lying about?
brapple	Posted - 2004.05.15 19:45:00 - [98] ahh, that explains it then Darksheer. thanks! 100% in agreement with you about Castor, btw
Vlad Damian	Posted - 2004.05.15 20:11:00 - [99] Originally by: Arud wow, seems to be a much much bigger patch than expected wow, no kidding man. I'd always thought that shiva was going to be player owned structures and maybe some pretty new buttons... This sounds like it's going to be a whole new ball game! Can't wait. -Cheers
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.15 22:36:00 - [100] While I agree we need more castor stuff to trickle into the game... Why do so many people insist that Shiva not happen until castor is done? Shiva is NOT techIII in the same way Castor is techII. Castor was completely new tech. Shiva is stuff we should have had at release time. Castor is new ships and equipment with a little content. Shiva is new content and environments, with a little tech. Many of the things in Shiva are needed for the average player to reamin excited about the game, it will give many players something to interact with. Think about it, player owned stations mean more territorial disputes, more disputes means more weapons sales, and a higher need for more stuff to be produced. More interactive content will be a boon for the noobs, and for the aces alike, expanding game play potentialy much more than a new super duper tech II 450MM rail. Some people enjoy "playing" the game, while others enjoy having the best stuff possible. Shiva seems to be desinged for the former, and has a few cookies for the latter. It's win win. It's not like TECH II is finished and more tech II isn't coming out ever again. Give it time and enjoy the new content . While your enjoying the content, then keep pestering CCP for more TechII thats fine. But don't insinuate that Shiva is officialy tech III and an end to Tech II or Shiva isn't needed so long as techII isn't fully released... Like I said, the majority of the stuff in Shiva is stuff we should have had at release... Tech II isn't stuff we should have had at release. I do agree TechII release has been slow as the kids on the slow bus, but maybe it shouldn't really be much faster. It's not like the game is getting harder and we're not getting more powerful. But yes, new toys are new toys... your argument isn't invalid, I just think it's unfair to demand castor be fully released before Shiva comes out so you can have a few new blasters... While the rest of us slowly get more and more bored. Besides did it occur to you that maybe some of the Shiva content will be the mechanism by which we aquire new TechII? think about it... We got dungeons coming... NPC changes, Better agent missions, eventualy Level IV agents before much longer. Really, the door to tech II opens further with all the shiva content. Least thats how I look at it. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Elad Baan	Posted - 2004.05.15 23:24:00 - [101] Originally by: Darksheer why worry about shiva when caster isnt even released completely Castor was supposed to add TL2 through the hands of the players. It wasn't supposed to happen immediately. In the end, it was quite ****** up, mainly because the players didn't behave the way CCP expected, and also because CCP didn't implement the stuff the way players expected too. Anyway, it was a half-failed (or half-succeeded ?) experience. Shiva, on the other end, adds immediate content to the game : missions, dunjeons, new interface tools, new fancy graphics, etc. That (well, at least I hope) some content that we'll get to see just after patching the client and lauching the game. So yeah, we worry about Shiva. Cool ideas for the game - New mission types - Group missions - Planets and the market
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 23:44:00 - [102] Originally by: Demangel In the case of older games like Ever*****, when you got an expansion you got entire new continents to explore... BIG difference. and dont forget Anarchy Online! say what you will about that game but the expansions were worthy of being called expansions :D God i gotta change my sig..
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.15 23:50:00 - [103] Originally by: Demangel as most of the "content" is already in your EVE directory, it's just gonna have modified stats, or hasn't been used yet. Ask one of the guys who has the program to see it all, you'll see... i have that prog, i've been exploring the EVE files for some time now and i can tell you this, alot and i mean ALOT of things arent used, yes. 3-5 jove textures, 1-2 jove stations, things like that. But DONT say that most of it are in the current build. because thats either bull**** or your "friend" lied to ya There isnt new music (if added), there isnt the 2 new bloodlines, there isnt any textures at all for the 200 new npc ships or elite cruisers etc etc, there isnt any models or textures at all for the atmospheric effects and other new visual eyecandy (the shiva EVE is a newer version of the entire graphics engine). Dont consider this a flame, i just dont want you to mis-inform people, most people tend to exagerate about things, and the results can be very worried "newbs" God i gotta change my sig..
Skaz	Posted - 2004.05.16 00:10:00 - [104] Edited by: Skaz on 16/05/2004 00:15:02 As far as I can gather, Shiva isn't a replacement or the end of the Tech 2 introduction...rather a continuation. You see, a lot of the features that were supposed to be in Castor were bumped to Shiva, and thus it seems making Shiva rather massive, so massive in fact that I think that all that candy we're supposed to get with Shiva will be introduced in small doses. Yes no big patch, but an entire Shiva "period" of patches, similar to what we have been experiencing with Castor...unfortunately Castor has consisted of this: they opened up T2 for us, it started to trinkle in slowly....too slowly, and didn't deliver all the new goods, I mean not a single T2 weapon is ingame yet. Shiva I hope is a further expansion of T2 and methods of delivery and of course more content such as POS's and Dungeons, BUT there is that proverbial Caveat Emptor, They made similar promises regarding Castor....so much of what we see announced now might just get bumped to the next build, Kali, and so on... So hope for the best but prepare for the worst m'kay EDIT: And I still request a response from a/or DEV/DEVS (Hellmar or LeKjart) to quell any immidient fears and concerns of the players, who as you can see fear for our precious... "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.16 00:16:00 - [105] well, i just think that if shiva is indeed supposed to be released at the end of this month, and ccp was at e3 and a few few days ago gave that content info to the website journalist, i'd be pretty odd if more than 1 thing didnt make it in, i mean, if that info was released a month ago, sure some things could have been delayed, but this close to release.. shrug i dunno.. God i gotta change my sig..
PussyGalor	Posted - 2004.05.16 04:50:00 - [106] never fear...for one day you will log on and poof..there will be a patch...wondering when its gonna be released is a waste of time as it will come when its ready along with all the wonderful patch day fun...so be ready with a long skill and sit back and watch the petitions role in lol
Blazius	Posted - 2004.05.16 07:06:00 - [107] Originally by: *****Galor never fear...for one day you will log on and poof..there will be a patch...wondering when its gonna be released is a waste of time as it will come when its ready along with all the wonderful patch day fun...so be ready with a long skill and sit back and watch the petitions role in lol We wouldnt have to wonder when patch day would be if communication between the players and CCP about all of this was at all clear...
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.05.16 08:39:00 - [108] You all know CCP cant keep a date to save its life...surpriseed?...no... My guess is Shiva will be released Quarter 1 2005...
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.16 10:04:00 - [109] Skaz Wrote: Quote: There isnt new music (if added), there isnt the 2 new bloodlines, there isnt any textures at all for the 200 new npc ships or elite cruisers etc etc, there isnt any models or textures at all for the atmospheric effects and other new visual eyecandy (the shiva EVE is a newer version of the entire graphics engine). If you DL the Current shiva patch, You will see some new music, there was a post about this before. As for 200 New NPC's, don't kid yourself, they will use existing models at least 99% of the time. The majority of the rest of that stuff need not take up a whole lot of space. I can't speak for the Character portraits for the two new bloodlines, but most of the other textures I am assuming use a very highly compressed format? Even at high resolutions with the right format compression the new textures wouldn't need to take up a whole lot of space in the patch, admittedly they would likely be one of the larger chunks of the patch, but I think you see my point. Trust me, the majority of the new content will use EXISTING Models, and some new textures. They will just get new snazzy stats. Just how big do you think an icon image is? Especialy when compressed? Planetary effects are not at all in the current build no... But I heard in the past people talking about some of the other models in the current install (Was it commets? or something else? I forget. Trust me when i tell you, this patch won't be likely to go over 20 Megs. I'll be surprised if it is larger than 15 megs. You can do a LOT with 15 megs of content... Especialy when most of it is going to be code modifications (new module stats, new turret math, missile changes, new UI and so on), and the majority of the rest will be server side. So I stand firm by what I said before, the majority of Shiva is already on your hard drive. And don't think that shiva is bringing in new Cruisers... Look at the review again... Not a single mention of the words "New ships." In the end my biggest worry is that Shiva will trickle in like Castor is doing, and CCP will be in a Quagmire or something, with too much stuff to release and no way to keep up with it all. If CCP is smart, they will release Shiva at the very least in Large doses... Not: A station module here... a dungeon there... A ui Change a month later that just changes one aspect of the UI, a new planetary ring in five or six systems... ETC. But I don't expect Shiva to come in one fell swoop either... I figure a good conservative estimate would be 6 months, and everything they truthfully intend to release on time, will be here... Anything else wasn't a high priority and will be scrapped. Anyway I return the respect of this post being something other than a flame :) I just want to make sure you understand that I'm really not spreading misinformation here... And my sources for stuff I havn't seen first hand are sources a LOT of people depend on for similar info (names, and weblinks witheld to protect the innocent, and because I suck at remembering names ) In the end, yes, plenty of the new content will come via patch, but the changes everyone thinks will take up the most room (like the 200 new NPC's), will almost definately be done with existing models. You don't honestly beleive CCP cranked out 200 new eye pleasing, and at least mostly bug free models and or textures in 6 months do you? To be honest I would be very impressed if they cranked out 100! As a Graphic artist I can tell you from experience, that 1 good model with new texture of EVE quality can take at LEAST a week or more from one 3d/2d artist. Even with a team, you push it. Hell even one set of high quality/EVE quality textures for one model can take a week if they are complex enough. Some might take ten minutes of course... but then they have to be verified, checked, rechecked, bug tested, reviewed, modified, ETC. So like I said... we have much if not most of the Shiva content on our drives already... And yes, I know CCP probably has a library of stuff they can use we don't know about, but 200 unique ships/textures? Even 100? I doubt they would release that many at one time... It wouldn't be effective... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:02:00 - [110] Edited by: Baleur on 16/05/2004 12:07:23 i have, NEVER, argued about the patch size i was talking about textures, re-read my post m8, textures. And i am also a 3d artist, the thing is you tought i was thinking they would do 200 new models with textures, im just talking bout like 25 new textures? THAT aint in our current build And the patch size.. of course it'll be small, every eve patch is crazily small, so yes you Could say that "most of shiva is ingame already" because the game is roughly 500 megs and shiva is 20 megs.. but you get my picture. God i gotta change my sig..
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:16:00 - [111] Originally by: Baleur Edited by: Baleur on 16/05/2004 12:07:23 i have, NEVER, argued about the patch size i was talking about textures, re-read my post m8, textures. And i am also a 3d artist, the thing is you tought i was thinking they would do 200 new models with textures, im just talking bout like 25 new textures? THAT aint in our current build And the patch size.. of course it'll be small, every eve patch is crazily small, so yes you Could say that "most of shiva is ingame already" because the game is roughly 500 megs and shiva is 20 megs.. but you get my picture. Then I bow to our misconstrued situation, and understand your point then. So long as you understand I wasn't saying that nothing new wouldn't come in the patch, just that most of the NEW stuff would use existing EVE stuff with different names, and hence, not be a big patch, and thus not be a "Retail expansion" that is, unless as I said, CCP wants to commit MMORPG suicide If you don't understand that then... well DIIIeEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee God I need to drink less caffien/Mountain dew before bedtime/downtime.... But on the bright side to cheer me up, today is interceptor day! Evasive manuevering is about to hit level 5 today! YAY I can train for the Interceptor I wanted to try out! I'll laugh if I lose it trying to test it and push it's envelope I lost an incursis the other day when I was sleepy and engaed the wrong NPC first, leaving the missile spammer to take pot shots at me with missiles fast enough to catch my ship, was kinda funny though... And yes I am bragging, It was my first ship loss since retail began ;) EVEN if it was a sad way to lose a ship heheh, tricky level II agent missions... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Kintec	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:30:00 - [112] Hi, just found a sample picture of the latest graphics enhancements. But what kind of ship is this ? It seems to be Gallente, isn¦t it ? http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/131/e/e/New_Settlement.jpg
Kintac	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:32:00 - [113] Hi, just found a sample picture of the latest graphics enhancements. But what kind of ship is this ? It seems to be Gallente, isn¦t it ? http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/131/e/e/New_Settlement.jpg
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:39:00 - [114] Kintec(tac), if thats from EVE I think I just Crapped my pants... But saeriously if thats a screenie of the new stuff, I really need to get my drawers changed... Can you give us any info on where you found it so we can verify it's authenticity? Or am I sooo tired that I am mistaking an obvious fake (though an addmittedly cool pic), for something from EVE? Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.16 13:50:00 - [115] Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 16/05/2004 13:58:23 It's hosted at DeviantArt, which is a digital art community, and there's some amount of space art around there. Edit: here's the image in it's full context, so appearantly not something from EVE, but still nice to look at.
Katya Detia	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:19:00 - [116] Edited by: Katya Detia on 16/05/2004 14:20:33 WoW, triple post --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Katya Detia	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:19:00 - [117] Originally by: Falbala If you played Frontier Elite or Whale's Voyage they had an economy scanner in it, so no it can't be new but much needed yes. Eve could take so many features from Frontier Elite.. :) Thats game was great. --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Katya Detia	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:19:00 - [118] Originally by: Falbala If you played Frontier Elite or Whale's Voyage they had an economy scanner in it, so no it can't be new but much needed yes. Eve could take so many features from Frontier Elite.. :) Thats game was great. --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:50:00 - [119] Originally by: Katya Detia Originally by: Falbala If you played Frontier Elite or Whale's Voyage they had an economy scanner in it, so no it can't be new but much needed yes. Eve could take so many features from Frontier Elite.. :) Thats game was great. Sure was. I'm still playing Frontier: First Encounters sometimes. Theres a nice hack to run it in windows. The game immersion is good enough to make you forget that the ships are so badly detailed that you can count the polygons at a glance.
Enoch Dagor	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:26:00 - [120] Well, Q3 is further then May. Somewhere I remember reading once that Shiva would be May. <sigh> You know... I have a real problem with patience. -Enoch
Mitawyn	Posted - 2004.05.16 17:10:00 - [121] Eve is going to be an entirely new game for me with the introduction of Shiva and I have barely gotten to know it as it is. I am really looking forward to all the new stuff. Way to Go CCP!!!
Mitawyn	Posted - 2004.05.16 17:15:00 - [122] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru Originally by: Dire Wolf the US military fiscal year begins in october. take into account all the different times countries us, and theres no telling which Q3 they are actually using. The universal fiscal year for buisness starts in January, anyone listed on any stock market follows what I outlined. Actually, they do not. I work for the world's largest manufacturer of earth moving equipment in their home town/base, and most of our hundreds of thousands of suppliers round the world have mid year fiscal closings.
Kintac	Posted - 2004.05.16 17:44:00 - [123] Edited by: Kintac on 16/05/2004 17:46:45 Hi, sorry for missleading you :-) But it was said that eve gets pushed up with its graphic with Shiva. So CCP, look at that picture. (asteroid belts aorung the planets, several planets together, ... ) This is what I expect to see in Q3 2004 :-) Be inspired !!! If you make something like that, you¦d be the godess of programming :-)
Mitawyn	Posted - 2004.05.16 17:45:00 - [124] Originally by: Ice Angel Yep, they could have been there as visitors. They were there don't kid yourselves. They would be there to check out all the competition. And it said "official presence", nothing about unofficially being there.
Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:03:00 - [125] (new) Shiva preview from Fragland.net "CCP games released an official press release about their upcoming Shiva expansion an expansion that will be free of charge to download as a patch for every EVE player." "I was lucky enough to meet up with part of the CCP team in LA at the E3 convention.." Sounds like some number of CCP folks were in fact there in the flesh. "New ships will off course also be implemented, battlecruisers a missing link between cruiser and battleships will make their appearance with totally new models, making battles les risky in terms of potential loss and tactically more flexible." time is the fire in which we burn.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:22:00 - [126] Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 16/05/2004 19:25:05 Sweet, that clears up alot of the concerns. Now only the "Q3 issue" remains, but I still that is when the gradual Shiva rollout will be finished, or when a Shiva retail version of EVE will be in stores. And another thought about why there are alot of features that we havn't heard of in the recent news: I think CCP are doing some marketing, and the best way of doing that is to get good press. So, by buffering up a cache if new features they increase the chance of making a bang in the gaming news. If they had presented everything to the players in advance it wouldn't have given the same impact at the news sites since all the features would have trickled out anyway.
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:30:00 - [127] Edited by: Carmen Priano on 16/05/2004 19:31:24 Reading the latest preview nearly brought tears to my eyes.
Serano Imladris	Posted - 2004.05.17 00:45:00 - [128] okay i;ve been around since before beta ...and knowing ccp they aren;'t good with release dates...they have a wonderfull awesome game as is now..no one can argue against that but being on time isn't thier strong point...i've gotten used to it...beta was delayed liek a year if not more so don't worry bout the future play what they have spent so much time on already ..the game is wicked as is
Nomi Asterrn	Posted - 2004.05.17 06:59:00 - [129] Thought these need a move cos the also ask why external link. Do the good deed and put players some information on The Player Website.....thank you From locked thread.Qoutes Posted - 2004.05.16 21:46:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This link, provided by the official EVE news section on this site has some interesting stuff on Shiva, but I am surprised that CCP has this link. There are too many annoying, unrelated pop-ups and I can't believe that CCP openly approves of a site that advertises isk in-game, in exchange for real-life $ ???? Azur Prime Posted - 2004.05.17 04:34:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: Azur Prime on 17/05/2004 04:43:01 Just goes to prove that everything that CCP said prior to and just after retail release of not letting the anyone or anything allowing them to divert from their pure love of game bologna ...... We all can see since this adventure has unfolded the very same people, ideals and corporate tactics they said they hated and would steer clear of, has become goal one! They loved it when the nerfed being able to train 2 characters at the same time, they knew that they could get people to buy into the dual accounts thereby increasing overall income, then use the lowered value of the US dollar to raise the prices for a great deal of their customers ........ bet we don't see that come back when the dollar gains ground over the Euro, lol. Now they have their stuff all over eBay selling like hot cakes and everything we do drives the interest of others even harder so that they can rake even more dollars in ...... I myself think that this perverted part of EVE will cause it eventual demise, we have already dumped members who have decided that the making of real $$$ was more importent that playing the game and abiding by the vows and promises made to our Corp. This will become more of a cancer that will rob the game of its appeal to the true gamers vs the griefers and money grubbers. Shame on you CCP. It don't matter in which country your in, when you see this much cash potential, even the most pure at heart will sell out their basic core values. THE WEAK CAUSE MORE HARM THAN THE STRONG
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.17 08:03:00 - [130] omfg, no, no no no, dont do this to me ccp, dont get my hopes up EVEN MORE!! Battlecruisers Actually mineable planetary rings requireing you to search them for good ore God i gotta change my sig..
Styx X	Posted - 2004.05.17 08:49:00 - [131] Quote: In the case of older games like Ever*****, when you got an expansion you got entire new continents to explore... BIG difference. right now, when you buy an expansion in EQ you pay 30 dollars for an unfinished, bugged "beta" test with most the graphics recycled and the ones that are truly new so badly designed that they cause laughing fits .......where half the zones don t work not even when they already want another 30 dollars for the NEXT "expansion...." ...... seems they make an expansion every 4 to 6 months now ::coughs:: lol excuse my french;) , just couldn t leave that statement stand like that ;) the last "good" expansion EQ had was years ago..... hehe
Psy Corp	Posted - 2004.05.17 09:01:00 - [132] and now i can wonder why i payed 6 months a few days ago and fought i actually would have something new to play in 1 month or so.. ahh well ive learnd my lesson.. i wont pay for this until i se something I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.05.17 09:46:00 - [133] Yum Elite Cruisers We are about to introduce more Elite frigates to the game now. The development of Elite Cruiser has already started. There will be four different classes: -Point Defense Cruiser -Patrol Cruiser -Support Cruiser -Battlecruiser I cant wait ... Tal What goes around comes around...
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.17 11:03:00 - [134] Originally by: Styx X Quote: In the case of older games like Ever*****, when you got an expansion you got entire new continents to explore... BIG difference. right now, when you buy an expansion in EQ you pay 30 dollars for an unfinished, bugged "beta" test with most the graphics recycled and the ones that are truly new so badly designed that they cause laughing fits .......where half the zones don t work not even when they already want another 30 dollars for the NEXT "expansion...." ...... seems they make an expansion every 4 to 6 months now ::coughs:: lol excuse my french;) , just couldn t leave that statement stand like that ;) the last "good" expansion EQ had was years ago..... hehe Actually later in that post or in another post somewhere I mentioned how much Everquest sucked. Luclin despite having that major graphical overhaul wasn't really worth it. So much of it was unfinished and felt way too empty. Asside from a few really pretty areas, and excessively resource intensive new character graphics, it really was a dumb purchase on my part. Most of the truly interesting new toys we got where only available to 60+ characters... and those available to younger characters where same old, same old... They should have at least made horses available for level 30+ characters... Not like they gave you that much of a huge bonus... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2004.05.17 12:54:00 - [135] Im very excited about the new plantery effects. I hope they add an atmosphere effect to that list, right now the planets look like dead lumps without purpose =/ ______________________ Pod from above.
OrbitalEffect	Posted - 2004.05.17 13:52:00 - [136] I just read the list of new game elements. That's a big bite to chew on...
Baleur	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:43:00 - [137] God i gotta change my sig..
Orestes	Posted - 2004.05.18 20:20:00 - [138] De-stickied Join the IC!

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