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Sileam	Posted - 2008.06.23 13:14:00 - [121] Originally by: Haakelen Don't worry, the way things are going, I doubt anyone will ever take away your 40-Man tech 1 cruiser blob I win button. Lets compare: 40 players in one place VS 4 items for the 6 mil in total (you get them just by click-clik! voila! A NANO!) And to be honest... 40 caracals vs 40 nanoships - guess who will take the win Just dont confuse Gallente Militia organisation problems and overcrowded Caldari with a broken game mechanics, hyh.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.23 13:25:00 - [122] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Sileam Did even you tried to read my post or you burned in holy anger that someone can take away your solopwntoys from you? Here's my battleclinic page. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Haakelen Find a kill using a nano ship. Good luck, as there aren't any. Get out. Quote: You all fight so furiously to save your nanos... no wonders, I'd be sad to if someone took away my "I WIN" button from the game interface Don't worry, the way things are going, I doubt anyone will ever take away your 40-Man tech 1 cruiser blob I win button. GOSH YOU ARE FLYING NANO CEPTORS OMG your right! They can totaly take down a battleship!
Goremageddon Box Soldiers Of Mercy	Posted - 2008.06.23 13:35:00 - [123] As some buddy wonS sed NANO. Nano. boo boo.
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.23 13:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Sileam Originally by: Haakelen Don't worry, the way things are going, I doubt anyone will ever take away your 40-Man tech 1 cruiser blob I win button. Lets compare: 40 players in one place VS 4 items for the 6 mil in total (you get them just by click-clik! voila! A NANO!) And to be honest... 40 caracals vs 40 nanoships - guess who will take the win Just dont confuse Gallente Militia organisation problems and overcrowded Caldari with a broken game mechanics, hyh. You forget the fact that you can't nano a t1 cruiser without using polys or snakes. You also forget the fact that hacs cost 80-100m. Polys cost 45m each. Then around 20-25mill in t2 fittings and ammo, then some mill for drones. Stop talking utter bull**. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age** The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
Squably Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.23 13:56:00 - [125] Edited by: Squably on 23/06/2008 13:56:32 Originally by: Spineker SNIP What are you going to do with a cerberus besides die? Ever tried tech II assault launchers with precision missiles? BTW fit it on a Caracal, same result cheaper loss. Yeah so?!! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Navigator ([email protected])
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:00:00 - [126] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Srsly, when nanoship is webbed anything hits it fine, hitting it when it's not webbed is harder. Medium guns can hit nanoships, but medium missiles cannot- WTF? why the disbalance? Precision heavies need a boost badly. WTB medium blasters that can hit nanos. Also, last I checked assault launchers were cruiser sized weapons. Only problem to hit nanos with blasters is the blaster's low optimal, heavy assault missiles are even worse - they have both low optimal and insufficient explosion velocity. Last I checked I could launch standard missiles with a frig too, come back when you have medium guns using small ammo. Heavy precisions have same explosion velocity as precision cruises - 3 times lower then precision lights. Why isn't tracking of medium guns same as the large guns then? This already shows how terrible a poster you are and how little you know. There is something called ASSAULT LAUNCHER with a very nice explosion radius on the missiles. Try them. Dear Ms. Troll, please train reading comprehension and read entire post chain before implying I don't know about assault launchers. Missiles launched from assault launchers are identical to those launched by standard launcher - light missiles. True medium size missiles are heavies and heavy assaults, and none of those, not even T2 precision will hit for full damage target moving at mere 3km/s.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:08:00 - [127] Tenuo posts in every one of these threads to ensure he/she doesn't lose the "i-win" button. I bet this noob stays up all night and makes sure no new threads pop up. A Nano thread to Tenuo is like throwing a banana to a monkey or a monkey humping a football....err something like that.
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:11:00 - [128] If you want to argue that T2 missiles (and T2 ammo in general) need a boost, I would agree 100%. There's no reason that T2 ammo should suck compared to faction ammo. With a missile explosion velocity rig, a Cerberus with assault launchers using T2 precision lights should do more damage against faster ships than it does. There should be more ships with web bonuses. Hell, maybe even ARM scripts for webbers. Boost the T2 over the fleeting, whatever. All of these things would probably promote a bit more diversity in small gang skirmishes.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:13:00 - [129] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Spineker Still want to buy 150 km neuts anyone? Wait, what? What do you need a 150km neut for? If the nanoship is that far, it's not able to do anything but look pretty. But my curse is damn pretty! And it eats nanos like that's its job. Who here wants to face a Talisman set curse? HURF BLURF, NURF CURZE PRITTAYNESS Or don't, now that I think about it. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Lady Ubitsa Office linebackers	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:19:00 - [130] It makes me sad to see so many short sighted people not understanding this game at all, yet still spouting their factual incorrect opinions. The anti-nano pubbies, im talking about you.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2008.06.23 14:47:00 - [131] Originally by: Kelli Flay Tenuo posts in every one of these threads to ensure he/she doesn't lose the "i-win" button. I bet this noob stays up all night and makes sure no new threads pop up. A Nano thread to Tenuo is like throwing a banana to a monkey or a monkey humping a football....err something like that. yeah and you and your army of hiveminds make al these threads to get something nerfed due to sheer incompetence on your own side.. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Gut Punch The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.23 15:53:00 - [132] News flash: How to beat nano Open your character sheet and train minmatar recons or amarr recons. Then hop out of you passively shield tanked drake - yeah that one that can rep 500 dps WITHOUT a repper - and fly something that takes more than F1F2F3.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:07:00 - [133] Originally by: Wasted Mind I dont think half the ships you see out there nano fit today were meant to travel as fast as an interceptor. Interceptors go 7km/s to 11km/s without getting crazy mods. My Ares setup goes 7818 with only T2 mods. Most nano ships cannot break 4km/s without a snake set. Since your premise is false, the rest of your post might as well be about fluffy kittens. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Sileam	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:10:00 - [134] Edited by: Sileam on 23/06/2008 16:16:07 Not to mention how good EVE interface is supporting such velocities, right? Overview readouts like: 55km, 42km, 29km, 15km, oops your on your downward path to get killed. Just the same for your "fit a web noob!" - a none-nano player has like a 1.5 second to press webber or it's so easy to go past, slide, whatever out of the webber range... Yeah I know that for most of you WoW and CounterStrike players this kind of play fits very well. BOOOM! HEADSHOT! PWND!!1!!!1one!!!!eleven!lolol Sorry, but I like EVE to be a game of tactics for those who can plan and run some nice manouvers, not those who buy cheap stuff (you rly DONT NEED polycarbs to have fit that can out-tank standard vessels) and win with the number of duble-clicks... CLICK-CLICK-CLICK-CLICK-IM SO UBER FAST-CLICK-CLICK-CLICK!!IM TeH roXx0rz!NO00oOOB! I just dont buy idea of such large ships being able to do a full 180 degrees turn and fly with full speed in the other direction in a matter of few seconds. OK - fast ceptors, fast frigs, but vessels hundrets of meters long with with MILLIONS kilograms of mass? Thats just lol ^^ Besides - if "nano" is so ballanced, even so underpowered like some of you try to claim - why the all pr0wannabes fly them? And dont try try tell those poor pubies that you need to fly 7km to speed tank ;) 3.5 km/s is enough to tank long enough to kill any similar sized ship. Or maybe you dont fit Large Shield Extenders?
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:20:00 - [135] Originally by: Sileam those poor pubies It's you. You're the pubbie.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:23:00 - [136] Originally by: FlameGlow Yep, right, I hunt nanogangs in kestrel and kill them And why are you talking about HACs? Some ppl fly command ships, haven't seen black ops or marauders in PVP yet, but someone certainly flys those too. Those are worth more then a HAC, and inties are worth less, but die much more often. I don't see ppl flying those cry that much about losing uninshurable ships. If you can't afford to lose that 200mil ship then don't fly it. You almost got the point, then missed it. If you can't nano a HAC, why would anyone fly one in PvP? Tech one battlecruisers do more damage, tank better, cost less than half, and are fully insurable. The point is, if you don't nano it, there's absolutely no point to flying a HAC. Battlecruisers or battleships end up doing everything better, cheaper. You know, like assault frigates. Which are ships typically banned from OPs because they're inferior to cruisers and cost more. If you really want CCP to listen you should propose only changes that do not render an entire class of ships irrelevant and something that doesn't just flip the balance the other way. Simply, Nano ships are more fun anyway. Everyone should fly them really. Make them cheaper, and more accessible, then everyone is zooming around having fun instead of the people that want iwinbutanz making the game slow, boring, and all the same. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:24:00 - [137] Xean we've been posting that for like 4 pages and they still don't listen
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:25:00 - [138] Originally by: Napro Whats with everyone recommending drones? What drone can reach even 10km/s to catch a nano? What nano goes 10km/s? Other than an interceptor of course... - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:26:00 - [139] Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 23/06/2008 10:28:17 I'm going to say it again, this is the caldari militia is it not? Bring some fcking interceptors and EW support, like you know, falcons, blackbirds, scorps, etc. Tackle with the inties, which will outrun the nanos easilly, and jam the nanos with your ECM ships so they cant kill your inties, there you go, dead nanoships, no need for rapiers or huginns or neuts. Too complicated for mission runners I guess, if they can't f1-f8 and kill it, it must be nerfed. No *. I've personally seen a weakly skilled blackbird turn a 4v6 slugfest where they had more dps and tank into one where the 6 were losing. Not a falcon. Not a scorpion. A Blackbird. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs**
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:28:00 - [140] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 23/06/2008 09:16:38 Originally by: Tenuo Problem with that is that no one wants to fight in a 200mill uninsurable ship with no chance to disengage ever, HACs are too costly to be used like BCs or other t1 ships. I like to quote posts like this in nano threads, because the nerf whiners never reply to it (edit: intelligently vv). Unless you nano it, there's absolutely no reason to use a HAC unless you like throwing money away. Im going to be fitting my HAC's for increadably high resistance. While yes I will be about or just better tanking than a BC I will have more manoverability and present a smaller target. You will not have more EHP than a BC You will not have the firepower of a BC. But I will be better than t1 cruisers and alot of huggins are going to get a suprise. Yeah, a surprise killmail. You'll be be better than a t1 cruiser, inferior to a t1 battlecruiser, and cost three times as much (factoring in the lack of proper insurance). - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:30:00 - [141] Originally by: Xaen Most nano ships cannot break 4km/s without a snake set. Yea, right... LOL. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Xaen Most nano ships cannot break 4km/s without a snake set. Yea, right... LOL. No u.
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:35:00 - [143] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Xaen Most nano ships cannot break 4km/s without a snake set. Yea, right... LOL. Speaking of lol, you're an idiot. With my skills (HSM 4 / Accel Control 4 / EM 5 / Nav 5 / Spaceship 5). No snakes, rogues, zor's, etc. Ishtar: 3.6km. Zealot: 3.4km. Sacrilege: 3.9km. All T2 fit, polycarboned. You don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:41:00 - [144] Originally by: FlameGlow Dear Ms. Troll, please train reading comprehension and read entire post chain before implying I don't know about assault launchers. Missiles launched from assault launchers are identical to those launched by standard launcher - light missiles. True medium size missiles are heavies and heavy assaults, and none of those, not even T2 precision will hit for full damage target moving at mere 3km/s. Yes they will. Even with my poor missile skills, precision lights from a caracal have an explosion velocity of 3900m/s. That's 300m/s faster than my 750M Curse (counting implants and no, not snakes). That's full damage. Throw in a blackbird and a pair of one month old newbies with 4M skillpoints between them could pwn a 2+ year char with a 750M ISK ship. The problem isn't nanos. The problem is thousands of carebears with very little pvp combat getting their asses handed to them because they're not used to pvp. Blackbirds would own a fleet of anything but other blackbirds, but instead of using your races strengths you're using whatever you want and complaining when you don't win most engagements. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:47:00 - [145] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Xaen Most nano ships cannot break 4km/s without a snake set. Yea, right... LOL. Show me one that does, doesn't cost more than 500M and is still useful in any way. I can actually fly all of the T2 cruisers but the Caldari ones. I've EFTed up nano setups for most of them. The only one that breaks 4km/s is the Vagabond. Face it, average nano speed is 3km/s to 4km/s. People talking about "as fast as an interceptor" are not only wrong, but either uninformed or flat out lying. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Blind Man Point Blank Carebears	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:53:00 - [146] Edited by: Blind Man on 23/06/2008 16:56:24 Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Spineker You really should stop commmenting on this subject Oh, the irony. rofl btw i gotta hand it to the guys like Xaen and Haakelen who fight in every thread, I'd never have the patience ╟
Thargat North Star Networks Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:55:00 - [147] Originally by: Xaen Face it, average nano speed is 3km/s to 4km/s. People talking about "as fast as an interceptor" are not only wrong, but either uninformed or flat out lying. But it's TRUE.... my nano cerberus is faster than my afterburner Crow There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.23 16:59:00 - [148] Edited by: Tenuo on 23/06/2008 17:02:53 Originally by: Kelli Flay Tenuo posts in every one of these threads to ensure he/she doesn't lose the "i-win" button. I bet this noob stays up all night and makes sure no new threads pop up. A Nano thread to Tenuo is like throwing a banana to a monkey or a monkey humping a football....err something like that. I dont fly nano, thank you very much. I know how to beat them tho, tested and tried. I just don't want this game dumbed down to the Caldari militia level, go back to ***** wow. Oh, and keep going Xaen! _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age** The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:01:00 - [149] webby bubbles for hictors or gate bubbles perhaps>
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:04:00 - [150] Originally by: CommmanderInChief webby bubbles for hictors or gate bubbles perhaps> Ever thought this through more than 1 minute? No? Imagine how AC and blaster boats do then. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.

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