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Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 25/06/2008 08:46:32 It was revealed during the CSM that: Originally by: Chairman Jade 5. Of course there IS a quick and dirty fix on the table right now. The FW system as programmed has the ability for corps within an alliance to join a FW militia. Its an ability that is "blocked" while CCP look at the impact and operation of FW on the live server for the next month or so. (main issue with the quick fix is where corps in an alliance should be able to sign up for different militias or if they all have to join the same one.) Therefore, I move that CCP focus additional resources into providing the mechanisms to allow individual corporations to sign up for FW whilst also belonging to an alliance. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Baron Erique Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:46:00 - [2]
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:44:00 - [3] I thought CCP didn't allow alliances to sign upto faction warfare to try and cut down on blobs? If CCP now allow all the RP corps within alliances to sign up empire will be worse than 0.0 for blobs , from what i've seen its pretty bad as it is.
Yuri Drocher Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:45:00 - [4] give me the ability to join without leaving my corp and alliance!
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:34:00 - [5] sounds like a plan tbh. There should be consequences of course, killing any opposing militia member should give you standings hit (does it do that now). Choice and consequence \o/
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:43:00 - [6]
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Xennith on 25/06/2008 11:02:15 Originally by: Traxio Nacho I thought CCP didn't allow alliances to sign upto faction warfare to try and cut down on blobs? thats working really well i take it? i mean theres never a caldari militia blob roaming around is there. the anti-blobbing should be built into the mechanics of system capture (splitting people across objectives being more efficient) rather than being an arbitary limit saying "no alliances!". We come for our people
Bartholomeus Crane Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:35:00 - [8] +1 -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Tony O Midnight Captains	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:38:00 - [9] Personally, I'd rather this did not happen.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:12:00 - [10] +1

Coup DeGrace Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:15:00 - [11] Damn right
bl3ach Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:15:00 - [12] +1
Solgar Morduknar	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:17:00 - [13] +1
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:17:00 - [14] Aw yeah
Tyrius Morytia	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:18:00 - [15] +1
Harmonius Moonshadow Ananasi Trading Ltd	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:19:00 - [16] +1
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:32:00 - [17] From an RP perspective would be good for me if this was timed with the dawning of the new Minmatar government. Do it. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Violette Tremere Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:03:00 - [18] +1
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Niding on 25/06/2008 14:13:52 +1
Kainda Gordo Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:14:00 - [20] Do it.... Minmatar Faction Warfare Corp Now Recruiting

Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 25/06/2008 08:46:32 It was revealed during the CSM that: Originally by: Chairman Jade 5. Of course there IS a quick and dirty fix on the table right now. The FW system as programmed has the ability for corps within an alliance to join a FW militia. Its an ability that is "blocked" while CCP look at the impact and operation of FW on the live server for the next month or so. (main issue with the quick fix is where corps in an alliance should be able to sign up for different militias or if they all have to join the same one.) Therefore, I move that CCP focus additional resources into providing the mechanisms to allow individual corporations to sign up for FW whilst also belonging to an alliance. I'm happy to support this and I'll undertake to write up the ISSUE submission for the next round of formal talks of course. I personally feel its a pretty clear-cut thing and it would be of benefit to many RP alliances and will help balance out FW and bring more people into those conflicts and enable further exploration of the system capture mechanics and associated gameplay areas. What I'd also like to see from people supporting is how they feel the multiple-corporations from single alliances issue is handled though. The "fix" we were told about basically allows any corporation currently in an alliance to join a militia while staying in their own alliance (so its a situation that can lead to some complexities that will need to be addressed in the ISSUE). For example. An alliance with 4 corporations: 1. One corp could join the Amarr militia, they'll be able to shoot (and be shot) by the Gallente and Matari militias - but in empire the other 3 corps wouldn't be able to help them. This could lead to confusions. 2. What if all 4 corps joined different militias - they'd be at war with all the FW militia corps AND themselves. 3. If all 4 corps joined the same militia it'd be pretty much as if the Alliance did join the Militia as a whole. So we do need some guidance on the rule to be followed here. If this proposal is supported shall we say? 1. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then the rest of the alliance corps can only join X militia too? 2. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then ALL the rest of the alliance corps MUST join X militia? 3. Only one corp from the alliance can join X militia? etc etc. See what I mean? We need to not only support the principle but also what specifics we want to see. I'm personally in favor of any number of alliance corps could join any one Militia but once any single corp has joined up the rest of the alliance corps can only join the that militia too. Hence ensuring that alliances can only effectively "support" any one militia. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Haverloth 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:53:00 - [22] I support this wholeheartedly and believe this should be a priority. Originally by: Jade Constantine See what I mean? We need to not only support the principle but also what specifics we want to see. I'm personally in favor of any number of alliance corps could join any one Militia but once any single corp has joined up the rest of the alliance corps can only join the that militia too. Hence ensuring that alliances can only effectively "support" any one militia. This seems like the most sensible iteration - once corp x has signed for a Militia y, then other corps in the alliance can only sign to Militia y. Helps stop silliness. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org http://www.amarr-empire.net
Ryas Nia Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:56:00 - [23] +1 but with the stipulation that only one corp from each alliance may join FW.
Damion Zyne Des Esseintes Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Ryas Nia +1 but with the stipulation that only one corp from each alliance may join FW.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:07:00 - [25] Perhaps make it so that the executor corp has to join first then make all other corps have to follow suit. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Smagd Encina Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:09:00 - [26] +1
Zaphod Jones Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:11:00 - [27] damnit, do i have to agree with Rodj ? Minmatar FW Corp recruiting
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:23:00 - [28] Oh gods, please, yes. As I've said before, RPers unite into alliances to keep their own specific diversities while working together towards a general goal. It allows us to make up for a shortfall in numbers the might join one specific corporation. Taking my own alliance as an example, if you were to merge two of the major corps - Gradient and Re-Awakened Technologies - it would be like dropping a box of ferrets high on frentix into a meeting of a Stalinist planning committee just after a funeral (Apologies to Gradient there - please don't hurt meeeeee ). The idea of one corp tolerating, or even hiring, the attitude of the other would be completely unbelievable. In an alliance, with separate corp chat channels, it's much much easier. Not all the extant alliances want to be their own faction living in 0.0 - when we created ourselves, we didn't know we had to. Some of us have decided to serve a faction, and those of us in that boat would very much like to join the big war our factions are in as full participants not as pirates lurking on the boundaries. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Zaphod Jones damnit, do i have to agree with Rodj ? I think its one of these "RP Pride" issues that we have to get on board regardless of wanting to shoot amarrian's in their faces (though since its an issue to let us shoot amarrian's in their faces it ain't so hard to understand ) CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Jade Constantine 1. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then the rest of the alliance corps can only join X militia too? 2. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then ALL the rest of the alliance corps MUST join X militia? 3. Only one corp from the alliance can join X militia? I'd say option 2, for preference, or option 1 as a second choice. Option 3 is pretty much the same as where we are now in EM, with one corp farmed out to the militia and the rest of the alliance waiting hopefully for one of them to wake up. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time



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