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Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:40:00 - [31] Yes pls. I would not personally allow corporations in an alliance to join opposing militias. Once one corporation in an alliance joins FW, I would block the two hostile militias for the other corporations in the alliance. And I would totally leave it to the alliances themselves to how to deal with it if they cannot agree on a side. But if that would delay implementation, just remove the block and let them do whatever. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Evanda Char Taking my own alliance as an example, if you were to merge two of the major corps - Gradient and Re-Awakened Technologies - it would be like dropping a box of ferrets high on frentix into a meeting of a Stalinist planning committee just after a funeral (Apologies to Gradient there - please don't hurt meeeeee ). I won't if you give me some of that frentix and never tell my CEO I took it. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
KillJoy Tseng Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:08:00 - [33] Something like this, please. Maybe not the Else on Frentix bit, but something of the rest of it.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:27:00 - [34] \o/
Lesican Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:28:00 - [35] How about the alliance can only join amarr/caldari or minmatar/gallente. Saves friendly fire issues.
Robert Kauliford Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:31:00 - [36] I'm with else
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:50:00 - [37] I like this idea. I like the idea of alliances declaring an 'affiliation' and having corps choose to then join a particular milita. Too big a can of worms allowing corps to join different militias. But I'd like the ability to declare war on a corp, or milita level if this happens. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Letrange Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:21:00 - [38] Getting PvP pilots into an alliance that wants to go low sec is hard enough without FW draining away all the available pilot pool supported.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Becq Starforged on 25/06/2008 19:52:18 I support this very, very, very strongly. It ***es me off that I can't be fully involved in the new 'sandbox' because I am in an alliance, especially since my alliance has been doing for five years what the Matari militia was recently formed to do. What involvement I'm allowed is limited to a small number of inceasingly expensive wardecs, or causes a loss in security status. It's ridiculous that I have to leave my alliance to enjoy this aspect of the game. If individual corps were allowed to join without limit, this would be fine, and alliances could be left to deal with any issues caused by corps joining opposing factions. Alternatively, CCP could allow alliances to 'declare support' to a faction (only one, and this support should be reflected in the alliance info), then allow corps in the alliance to join that faction or the allied faction. One possibility is that this could be jury-rigged through standings, possibly by declaring the opposing faction red, or something similar. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!*
Micia Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:59:00 - [40] Not supporting. That's not to say I don't think it's a good idea (in theory); I'm more concerned about the effect of having multi-hundred-member corporations joining (and you know there will be a few). I think that would be the kiss of death to skirmish-warfare in FW, and the last thing we need is more blob-action in lo-sec. In an ideal world; sure.
Rawk Awn Encina Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 4: Once one corporation in an alliance joins FW, I would block the two hostile militias for the other corporations in the alliance. The other corporations then may (but do not have to) to join either the same one as the first or the allied one. This +1 We actually put Namtz'aar k'in in a holding corp because most of us wanted to participate in FW...a controversial decision to say the least and one which was entirely forced upon us by the silly existing rule.
Rye Contini Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:35:00 - [42] +1, simple as.
Lady Ludmilla	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:50:00 - [43] +1
Ugleb Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:18:00 - [44] The inability for RP alliances to properly interact in the RP based war we have been waiting so long for is for me the biggest dissapointment in EVE. So this sounds like the fix we so badly need to me. Originally by: Jade Constantine What I'd also like to see from people supporting is how they feel the multiple-corporations from single alliances issue is handled though. Perhaps the executor should be able to select which faction their members will be permitted to join, for example the Ushra'Khan executor selects minmatar and all of our corps get to choose minmatar or stay out of FW. Contact the Sarz'na Khumatari
Elthaarion Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:30:00 - [45] +1
Gigaer COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:45:00 - [46] +1
Chungito Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 00:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Jade Constantine 2. What if all 4 corps joined different militias - they'd be at war with all the FW militia corps AND themselves. This convinced me/
Dapanman1 Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.06.26 02:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 4: Once one corporation in an alliance joins FW, I would block the two hostile militias for the other corporations in the alliance. The other corporations then may (but do not have to) to join either the same one as the first or the allied one. And I would totally leave it to the alliances themselves to how to deal with it if they cannot agree on a side. But if that would delay implementation, just remove the block and let them do whatever. This has my vote, as well as this, in less words: Originally by: Lesican How about the alliance can only join amarr/caldari or minmatar/gallente. Saves friendly fire issues. Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe
Reliko	Posted - 2008.06.26 05:56:00 - [49] would be nice
johg2good	Posted - 2008.06.26 06:04:00 - [50] give me the ability to join without leaving my corp and alliance!
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.26 07:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Micia I'm more concerned about the effect of having multi-hundred-member corporations joining (and you know there will be a few). I actually know that there are already a few ;-) If you don't want "multi-hundred member corporations" join, do exactly that: "Sorry, your corp is too big to join." If you don't want sovereignty-holding alliances (or corps in them) to join, do exactly that: "Sorry, your alliance is holding sovereignty, we don't serve that kind here." Etc.
Kazan Bho Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:05:00 - [52] +1 My only concern, given that this will generate an influx of larger corps into FW, is whether the losec sandbox (bleak lands etc) is actually big enough to accomodate the additional pilots. 20 man gate camps on EVERY gate in the region does not sound fun (neither does permanent 200 man roaming blobs). I prefer the option for an alliance to declare alleigance to a specific Faction and for corps within the alliance to be given the option to opt in/out of FW.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:08:00 - [53] Not supporting this unless an alliance signing up for FW at the same time also sign off on their ability to claim sovereignty. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Jade Constantine See what I mean? We need to not only support the principle but also what specifics we want to see. I'm personally in favor of any number of alliance corps could join any one Militia but once any single corp has joined up the rest of the alliance corps can only join the that militia too. Hence ensuring that alliances can only effectively "support" any one militia. Personally I think it should require a vote by the whole alliance where they choose what militia will be joined. Then the interested corporation with the needed standing would be capable of joining only that corporation. Think about it, if it was done as you suggest without a vote the first corporation to join a militia will lock all the others to a single faction. It is not something that should be decided by the fastest corporation or even by the holding corporation.
Delekhaji 30 ounces	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:45:00 - [55] Yes yes please, FW corps to be allowed to retain their alliance ties 30 OUNCES - Recruiting Alts ONLY
steejans nix 0beron Construct	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Yuri Drocher give me the ability to join without leaving my corp and alliance! This. I don't want to leave my corp to join up to a militia, a militia isn't supposed to be a massively organised corp but a group of individuals comming together for a common cause. Dunno that made sense but it did in my head !
Lazlo Canaletto Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Evanda Char 1. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then the rest of the alliance corps can only join X militia too? 2. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then ALL the rest of the alliance corps MUST join X militia? 3. Only one corp from the alliance can join X militia? Number 1 has my support.
Sloth Arnini ORIGIN SYSTEMS	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:19:00 - [58] Supported. It's disappointing that CVA and U'K are limited in their participation. To prevent (more) powerblobs forming, maybe only certain alliances could be permitted to sign up their corporations? Rather than looking to mechanics to be the be all and end all, the case is brought before a dev (maybe someone in community management) who decides whether to tick the box for alliance X? So the RP alliances would likely be guaranteed participation, but the likes of BoB or RAZOR or Goonswarm would have to work harder. Maybe even this won't be necessary. The more people an alliance has factionally warring, the fewer people they have defending 0.0. The big problem with tying FW participation to not sov holding is CVA.
Haverloth 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:22:00 - [59] Edited by: Haverloth on 26/06/2008 12:22:19 Originally by: Jowen Datloran Not supporting this unless an alliance signing up for FW at the same time also sign off on their ability to claim sovereignty. This isn't about alliances joining FW, it's about corps that are part of Alliances joining FW whilst retaining membership of their Alliance. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org http://www.amarr-empire.net
Hon Kovell Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:28:00 - [60] I don't see how it makes sense for a corp to commit to being part of an alliance then also commit to being part of another alliance/faction. A way for an alliance to commit to support another would be better. Originally by: Jade Constantine 1. If any corps from the alliance join X militia then the rest of the alliance corps can only join X militia too? If it was to go ahead at corp level then this option would be the better of the choices.

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