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Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:12:00 - [181] Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game! I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD?
Wally IV	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:14:00 - [182] Originally by: Wally IV Burn Eden - I have a question for you. Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly? In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they? For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight? No answer?
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:21:00 - [183] Originally by: Tio 10 Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly. Fun stuff..... So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know. This is Hydra we're talking about. There's no way a BE pilot would ever see the entire hydra fleet lock the primary... because, in general, past the first target called Hydra appears incapable of following the FC's orders and switching targets. By midway through any fight Hydra is firing at half the enemy fleet rather than sticking to their primaries. Been that way since I was in Hydra (Hi guys) and they still do it today (which really irks me... you'd think they'd have learned by now). Not saying all their pilots do this... but in any given fleet engagement enough of them do this that they dilute their firepower to the point of insignificance... which is why they take so many losses even when they outnumber their opponents. That said I do have more respect for Hydra than many other 0.0 alliances.... At least Hydra will come out and fight even when they suspect/know they're gonna lose a crapload of ships doing it.
Tauly Venn	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:27:00 - [184] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game! I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD? http://udie.griefwatch.net/
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:31:00 - [185] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/07/2008 18:34:21 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game! I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD? It's a griefwatch board nm someone already posted it.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:04:00 - [186] Originally by: Wally IV Burn Eden - I have a question for you. Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly? In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they? For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight? We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does. In the past it is generally a welcome sight to see capable people coming in to fight us, they usually believe the forum dribble about us just running away when a good gang shows up and they will come in like lemmings and die by the dozens.
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:07:00 - [187] Originally by: SATAN We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does. This is funny. Sounds like what your opponents say about your tactics. Thanks for the compliment. -------------------------------------------------
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:16:00 - [188] I've always wondered, I've done the cloak in a gateway system too. Mabye it's just because my timezone sucks for constant stuff to kill. Anyways, what I don't get is how you can stand sitting at your computers for long strecthes of time between killing stuff, when people aren't actually coming into the system your currently camping. Part of your effectiveness is that you seem to come alive always at the right time, that requires you to be staring at the screen or something. I just wanna know how long you guys actually spend attentive to Eve during a day, and how you stop from being so bored during slow days that you can keep doing what you do all the time. I just can't stand not moving around space that long. Mabye it's because you guys all are triple boxing and running a movie on another computer while you play, however for those of us that don't have that capability trying to emulate your system camps makes us log off after a bit out of sheer boredom. So enlighten me.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:03:00 - [189] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio I've always wondered, I've done the cloak in a gateway system too. Mabye it's just because my timezone sucks for constant stuff to kill. Anyways, what I don't get is how you can stand sitting at your computers for long strecthes of time between killing stuff, when people aren't actually coming into the system your currently camping. Part of your effectiveness is that you seem to come alive always at the right time, that requires you to be staring at the screen or something. I just wanna know how long you guys actually spend attentive to Eve during a day, and how you stop from being so bored during slow days that you can keep doing what you do all the time. I just can't stand not moving around space that long. Mabye it's because you guys all are triple boxing and running a movie on another computer while you play, however for those of us that don't have that capability trying to emulate your system camps makes us log off after a bit out of sheer boredom. So enlighten me. I cant and wont go into details of how and what we do. What I can say is that we get a lot more action doing what we do than anyone else does. Remember we have alts in almost every major alliance in this game, and we know just what a good day of pvp is considered. For instance in AAA you can join an opp fly around for 50 or so jumps in a 30 man gang and kill 3 targets. Several hours later come home only to find out that one of your titan pilots killed the only hope of pvp that you could have had that day. Sounds like fun huh?
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:14:00 - [190] I'm not arguing the merits of your pvp. My type of pvp involves both the roaming gank style you guys would enjoy (albeit less system camping) and as well as multiple MS killing we enjoyed a few days ago. Do I consider myself as good at BE style gate camps? Nope. But I recognize the stuff that goes into it and I can make a pretty decent one with a few of my corpmates. I just have found that whenever I sit down and attempt to do what you guys do, I'm probably missing a lot of the necessary stuff you have that keeps it from being a complete bore... IE alts to tell me where stuff is, as well as enough computer capability to control 3 accounts + watch a movie or something in the background, that I'd find personally necessary to be at ease sitting in few 0.0 systems all day with such a low amount of people in my gang. I have a lot of respect that you guys can stick to your pvp as you seem to have perfected all the necessary tools to execute it.

FellRaven Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 22:07:00 - [191] Originally by: Dragonzchilde Originally by: FellRaven Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage. Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber. Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense. I don't see how picking your fights is considerd * or whatever. At least BE isn't as stupid as most blobbers that go in a fight knowing they'll lose their ship. Be is a well oiled machine in which each member knows what is expected of him/ her and knows he'll have a corp/ gang mmeber there to back him/ her up when troubles arise. Unlike those so called pvp blobfest BE fights with brains and with "the good of the corp" in mind. First they get the job done, than they'll grab the reward. Most corps/ alliances start looting/ salvaging when a fight is still going and wonder how on eart it is possible they have all those losses. A 10 man BE gang (that include alt for the nubs that just don't seem to get it) is more lethal than the 70 man blob you throw at them. To start with they fight to win, second they fight as one and they go for the corp honour instead of the individual cheastbeating. IMO picking of the weaker targets first is the smartest thing to do. 1) reduces lags, 2) kills morale 3) enables more agressive tactics to be used later on in the engagement. Originally by:** FellRaven Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense. then why do you still fall for it. me checks TOS killboard and counts over 100 hydra losses and only 5 TOS losses I stick by what I said MM tactics against BE were more skillful than BE. Look I didn't start this thread trying to convince the whole of eve that I'm so l33t. I've accepted their tactics are very effective. But as virtually everyone has pointed out BE only every engage when they have a huge advantage, you know when they are the blob. Wonder what they'll do when they can't cloak those Ravens for ever.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.01 22:51:00 - [192] BE is the best at what they do. Whether you like their tactics or (most likely) not, you have to admit they are effective. But not perfect.
Heinky Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.07.01 23:32:00 - [193] I can see why Wild made this thread. Alot of times when i was in BE i wanted to try to explain to people how wrong they were, when they were smacking be threads with bull** they know nothing about. Nice try Wild but people are always gona be on one side or the other about what they think of Burn eden as u can see in this thread :), Tho in the spirit of the thread i will try to explain my side of the things wild talked about in a short version. The cloak: Pretty much what Wild said, what heppened in MM space and the uber covert ops scan times, pretty much called for cloaks. I hate using the *** cloak, flying amarr bs,s alot for the time, teh scan time and cloaking timer penalties are a pain in the ass. But its still better then getting a new bs from empire every other day coz your scanned down or locked in a system aggressed and cant go afk. Burn eden never fight outnumberd: This is bull**, we all know it and everyone thats says otherwise is either a very bitter person that got killed by BE or just doesnt know what he is talking about. Ive fought multible fights where burn eden are outnumberd by so much every other group in the game would run away and hide. Nuff said. Burn eden only fight when they have the advantage: I have to agree here, thats true. Because......... Burn edens skills and tactics are the advantage wich they have over everyone else in this game. So when they fight, it doesnt matter if its a gank or beeing way outnumbered they have the advantage.
Dwain Hicks Monks of War	Posted - 2008.07.02 00:19:00 - [194] Edited by: Dwain Hicks on 02/07/2008 00:19:49 Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio For instance in AAA you can join an opp fly around for 50 or so jumps in a 30 man gang and kill 3 targets. Several hours later come home only to find out that one of your titan pilots killed the only hope of pvp that you could have had that day. Sounds like fun huh? Maybe you need to check AAA killboard more often? With purpose not to post nonsense on CAOD?
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.02 02:47:00 - [195] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Originally by: SATAN We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does. This is funny. Sounds like what your opponents say about your tactics. Thanks for the compliment. hehe, as for -A-, as long as my little brother is a major figure there, -A- will be reasonably safe from us. We may visit from time to time, but just to say hi, and be on our way for a week or so. Most of -A- realize this and we have fun bantering each other. However sometimes Thug's sense of humor is lacking, and Count Vonzarovick or whatever his name is, just likes his Titan, and will drop it in HED-GP 5-6 times a night for us. Oh and yes he does kill our new guys alts quite regularly, but they will learn with time that you DO NOT CLOAK ON THE GATE! 8) WildCat
SlowMovingFisherman Minmatar I Eatz Ur Baconz	Posted - 2008.07.02 05:43:00 - [196] Thank you BE, for killing off the n00bs and ******s who don't look at local, don't look at alliance, and don't read mail. Darwinism at its finest.
Mayalla The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 06:21:00 - [197] Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman Thank you BE, for killing off the n00bs and ******s who don't look at local, don't look at alliance, and don't read mail. Darwinism at its finest. ^^ This... This is the only good thing BE brings to the game, they make people realise (hopefully) that they have to use every inteligence they can get when moving through 0.0. If they don't do it, they're dead.
FellRaven Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 08:00:00 - [198] Edited by: FellRaven on 02/07/2008 08:03:53 Edited by: FellRaven on 02/07/2008 08:01:19 Originally by: Heinky The cloak: Pretty much what Wild said, what heppened in MM space and the uber covert ops scan times, pretty much called for cloaks. I hate using the ******* cloak, flying amarr bs,s alot for the time, teh scan time and cloaking timer penalties are a pain in the ass. But its still better then getting a new bs from empire every other day coz your scanned down or locked in a system aggressed and cant go afk. ............ Burn eden only fight when they have the advantage: I have to agree here, thats true. Because......... Burn edens skills and tactics are the advantage wich they have over everyone else in this game. So when they fight, it doesnt matter if its a gank or beeing way outnumbered they have the advantage. But if you read the MM reply on the cloaking justification you will see that there was no Uber scanning time it was just very good teamwork on their part. Lets look at the Forums and see what balance issues people are complaining about most: 1. Cloaks particularly on none cloaking ships and the lack of a counter. 2. Falcons being able to jam anything and everything even CAP ships with ECCM fitted. 3. Extreme Nanoing (Your 17km/s Claymore and your 10km/s Hyenas) So you tick all the boxes of what people think is wrong with the game mechanics. In addition you still seem to need TS spys to make all this work. As many have said can't fault the tactics but it won't get you much respect. particularly when you call any effective defense against you a lame tactic or exploit. MM had uber scanners, dropped caps on us, blobbed us - reads beat us fair and square. AAA are lame they DD small gangs - Reads used the only game mechanic available to deal with AFK Cloakers. People ran away and docked up we're so uber - reads they got smart and wouldn't let us play on our terms. Anyway you're free to play the game the way you go, which means others are free to play they way they do stop moaning all the time. ps. Heinky is one of the alts.
Sconitta Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.02 08:07:00 - [199] blessa=ur heinky vo=alega vµlir f=lk ß forums :D
KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.02 08:17:00 - [200] Bottom line is Satan, DHB, Evil and the boys are very good at what they do. Oh and miss yeah Heinky. Ive been fighting them since 2004 and they have always adapted to all the changes the game has thrown at them. You have to give them respect for that alone. Although I dont think I would ever like the type of game they play, I have used thier tactics and even have a BE Raven setup somewhere in one of my hangars. They are always frustrating to fight, but very challenging and devising tactics to defeat them makes the game more fun. They might not be a space holding alliance or even do that much to effect the whole of Eve and its poltics. But when they come to your space, they can be a real pain. And as long as they are having fun, I guess thats what counts. If MM gets to frustrated, we just bring out the caps or DD them! Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi

Carin K Minmatar Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.02 09:06:00 - [201] Isn't Wildcat the only Burn Eden player? The rest are his alts c/d? <3 to SMACK
Trind2222 Amarr Soliders Of Eve Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.02 09:39:00 - [202] Originally by: Severe Admin Originally by: NoobMan Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL: 10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN! And the number one reason: 1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL! THIS POST sums be up nicely Love trolls here 0.0 noobs. You don't use alt's you die. go BE you doing quite nicely.
Lunarra eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:24:00 - [203] Edited by: Lunarra on 02/07/2008 11:25:15 BE love metter before post: 8/10 Yes you guys get the kills, does it matter how? Not really. Indeed CCP tools are here to be used. Using spies. Well doesn't everyone do it? I have no doubt BE are good at killing stuff. Maybe biggest alliance forgot how to pvp with small groups since the flavour is more into blobs and DDs. BE love metter after post(s): 5/10 Seriously no need to constantly brag about you kills. Your reputation is there, you are just soiling it from this point on.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:57:00 - [204] Originally by: Lunarra Using spies. Well doesn't everyone do it? We dont. Using spies to 'win' in a meaningless videogame is pretty and BE claiming they dont use it for an advantage but just for lolz is pure crap. Sad to see you using essentially the same tactic for 3 years now (tackle with fast/cloaking tackler, uncloak bs at range, shoot whilst aligned, warp out, cloak) but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Fut'Tare	Posted - 2008.07.02 12:18:00 - [205] Originally by: Kaianna Sela Best PvP corp in eve tbh. Yeah BE might consider camping some low-sec system next to noob spawn centres. More kills... that should make them even better pvp-ers, right? Keep up the good work, oh mighty pvp-ers.
Fut'Tare	Posted - 2008.07.02 12:30:00 - [206] Originally by: Heinky Burn eden never fight outnumberd: This is bull****, we all know it and everyone thats says otherwise is either a very bitter person that got killed by BE or just doesnt know what he is talking about. Ive fought multible fights where burn eden are outnumberd by so much every other group in the game would run away and hide. Nuff said.
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.02 14:43:00 - [207] Yea Satan, we DDed you like 5 times in HED because BE was utterly unable to uncloak for anything resembling a fight and to be perfectly honest we just dont have the patience to wait for you guys to uncloak. What is surprizing is that you havent mentioned how well you guys fared in CVA space, where CVA actually gave you guys the time of day and decided to play. Imagine if we or anyone else would suddenly decide that BE is significant enough to give more than 15 minutes of play time, you know these skills, rigs and implants required to scan your asses down is available to everyone. <3
Yersinia Pest1s Caldari Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.07.02 15:00:00 - [208] Praise for a kick ass corp! Great guys, lots of fun to fly with. Loads of pain to fly against. If you haven't had the pleasure of being podded by BE, you should (you will), and you should (will) do it soon.
Flashh Gorden Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.02 15:49:00 - [209] Try declaring a campain agaisnt individual corps and allainces instead of regions and dont include killing noobs all day on 00 entry gates and poeple will get a better idea of how good you guys are.
killerco Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.02 15:57:00 - [210] BE is the best in what they do, good luck and perhaps see you soon



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