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hammyhamm GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.01 04:45:00 - [151] The OP sounds like a chump, I hope pookie puts his head to the grindstone before the day is out :V
Torso Errata Minmatar The Graduates	Posted - 2008.07.01 06:06:00 - [152] However they are aware of it, Burn Eden has a useful function. Burn Eden pilots selflessly sacrifice their free time to teach 0.0 sovereign EVE to pay attention to their intel channels. This is a commitment that I understand, yet find a bit incomprehensible given how many RL issues could benefit from their dedication and intelligence. A novice to 0.0 gang/fleet warfare could learn much about the game from visiting the bottleneck systems BE chooses, and watching them. Their allignments, their speeds, their choice of targeting or frend-or-foe loadouts. They have a system that works. So long as they play to their system's advantages, and don't engage forces with equal preparation (bookmarks and light interdictors, particularly) they will reap far more than they lose. Now that Burn Eden has opened their tactics to discussion, I believe we are all entitled to discuss countermeasures. The MM countermeasure is, I believe, ideal for a cap-heavy alliance. Burn Eden, accordingly, has chosen as targets alliances either light on caps or reluctant to employ them accordingly. For smaller or younger alliances, I believe a zerg swarm of many T1 tacklers, a couple light dictors, and standard sniper BS is a viable countertactic, but I lacked the seniority to effectively suggest this when BE last visited my alliance. Ultimately, given the current rules on cloaking on non-cloaking bonused ships, BE will continue to beat up 0.0 alliances with younger players. If we are to view cloaking as analogous to submarines in naval warfare, rangers/gurkhas/speznaz in land warfare, or stealth bombers in air warfare, there needs to be analogous countermeasures. To date, countermeasures are paltry and underpowered compared to the analogs on our planet.
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.07.01 06:16:00 - [153] step 1: DD them step 2: see step 1 step 3: see step 1 step 4: watch them leave/find new system. rinse and repeat.
Is forporn THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.07.01 06:57:00 - [154] yawn
Mayalla The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 07:03:00 - [155] Ok, I was in no mood to read all the responses to the OP, but I would like to just comment on the OP. Why do we all play EVE, and like to play it so much? Because the game has so many different playing ways, everyone can find their own way. If someone is good in the tactics BE is having, they will do it like they, if someone does not like to PvP all the time, they will do something else, mine or research or mission. For any aspect of the gameplay I stated above you don't have to excuse yourself. You just play it. Ok, BE are good in PvP. It's all they do in EVE. They don't own any systems, they don't have to manage any POS'es neither they will ever do that. Some people just love to see the color of their alliance on EVE strategic map appear and it is their goal in game. So if BE is good in PvP, and they smack about it all around, they suck in POS or sov warfare and they just can't do that part of EVE gameplay and will never be able to do it. So, PvP does not make them the best EVE players. It is just a small portion of EVE they can do. The rest, the major part of EVE, they don't know to play and don't care to know.
King Fury Caldari Fury Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.01 07:15:00 - [156] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 26/06/2008 02:27:35 Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game! If you don't hold and defend territory of your own, thats not a meaningful accomplishment. Having said that, you are indeed a very successful roaming gang group, and very skilled at what you do, but you can't really compare your effectiveness to the major alliances unless you too hold and fight for your territory, at least not by such simple stats. I realize that given your size, thats not really a wise or realistic option, but its still a valid point. But there are options that would allow a direct comparison...... As you are a roaming gang group, if you really want to compare your self against the territory holding alliances, seek out THEIR roaming combat gangs, and engage them. This in no way suggests that you need to give up your other gankage, as its all part of the game, but such "roaming combat gang" vs "roaming combat gang" combat would allow better comparison. And I suspect you'd still do well at it. Says the alliance that lost all there territory and now live in an NPC region
Mayalla The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 07:16:00 - [157] Originally by: alden good Originally by: kublai Originally by: alden good Originally by: DHB WildCat -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage. fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 07:52:00 - [158] Edited by: Evil Pookie on 01/07/2008 07:53:30 Originally by: Mayalla Originally by: alden good Originally by: kublai Originally by: alden good Originally by: DHB WildCat -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage. fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE! Enemy ts is set low so that when the fighting starts we can easily communicate over it (thus losing the ts feed). The targets we primary are called for a number of reasons, often not because he is the fc but because they are the highest threat to our gang (I wont go into details for obvious reasons) As for Wildcat...... I believe in freedom of speech, I believe Wild has the right to post in any colour he wants and say whatever he wants....... Every time I read one of Wildcat's threads I re-evaluate my thoughts on this topic......
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 08:08:00 - [159] me waves to BURN EDEN -------- Killboard Admin Recruitment Director Forum Janitor
FellRaven Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 08:31:00 - [160] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Snapp Originally by: KOTH Fluf Just to clear this up, this incident happen in IMK on January 25, 2007. It involved 20 Shiva pilots, with 6 carriers, and possible 1 mothership,(although he doesnt show up on the killmails). We used 3 cov ops constantly scanning 10 to 15 seconds apart to try to catch Meanstreak or one of the others that you were using the speed/warp to trick at your SS's. Tactic was to use fast lockers to get fighters on the primary constantly until it died. We killed Evil first, then Arnold. DHB got it the next day. So no this was not a blob. It was just a tactic we figured out that would be useful against your tactics at the time. The key was the 3 cov ops constantly probing at 15 second intervals so we could constantly catch your warping gang and get fighters on the primary. Adapt and overcome. Funny to see this incident changed your tactics. I didnt want to mention the #'s before, think at the time there was maybe 60 online in alliance chat so 80 was a stretch heh. You are right, exact numbers are hard to recall. To the point. At one time local was over 100. Every 15 seconds my overview was filled with hostiles. There were more fighters than hostiles 8) We kept it up for several hours, until Arnold said, enough was enough he had to get some sleep. Anyways we use our tactics because of Morsus Mihi's tactics, and even more of note, CVA's ability to scan you down in a matter of 8 seconds, I **** you not! WildCat Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage. Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber. Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
Merrick Tolkien Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.01 09:04:00 - [161] 07 BE
kublai Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.07.01 09:24:00 - [162] Originally by: Mayalla Originally by: alden good Originally by: kublai Originally by: alden good Originally by: DHB WildCat -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage. fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE! Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait...are you telling me you dip**s dont even KNOW who your enemies FC's are when you fight? I don't know whether to laugh or cry, that's just pathetic, you don't even need a TS spy to figure out who is the FC of an entity if you have half a days warning before you go to fight them, and a TS spy takes more than half a day. It's funny how in every single game i've ever played, ** players whine about espionage to make up for their own lack of creativity or play lazy gaming style. Sorry love, point and click warfare is over there points to blizzard HQ Methods of Torture - Latrocinium
Dragonzchilde Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.07.01 09:43:00 - [163] Originally by: FellRaven Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage. Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber. Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense. I don't see how picking your fights is considerd * or whatever. At least BE isn't as stupid as most blobbers that go in a fight knowing they'll lose their ship. Be is a well oiled machine in which each member knows what is expected of him/ her and knows he'll have a corp/ gang mmeber there to back him/ her up when troubles arise. Unlike those so called pvp blobfest BE fights with brains and with "the good of the corp" in mind. First they get the job done, than they'll grab the reward. Most corps/ alliances start looting/ salvaging when a fight is still going and wonder how on eart it is possible they have all those losses. A 10 man BE gang (that include alt for the nubs that just don't seem to get it) is more lethal than the 70 man blob you throw at them. To start with they fight to win, second they fight as one and they go for the corp honour instead of the individual cheastbeating. IMO picking of the weaker targets first is the smartest thing to do. 1) reduces lags, 2) kills morale 3) enables more agressive tactics to be used later on in the engagement. Originally by:** FellRaven Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense. then why do you still fall for it. me checks TOS killboard and counts over 100 hydra losses and only 5 TOS losses
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2008.07.01 10:53:00 - [164] Errrm? Another useless COAD post?
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.01 11:01:00 - [165] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Mayalla Originally by: alden good Originally by: kublai Originally by: alden good Originally by: DHB WildCat -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage. fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE! Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait...are you telling me you dip**s dont even KNOW who your enemies FC's are when you fight? I don't know whether to laugh or cry, that's just pathetic, you don't even need a TS spy to figure out who is the FC of an entity if you have half a days warning before you go to fight them, and a TS spy takes more than half a day. It's funny how in every single game i've ever played, ** players whine about espionage to make up for their own lack of creativity or play lazy gaming style. Sorry love, point and click warfare is over there points to blizzard HQ Funny thing about this, their fc knows he's going to be primaried and isn't in a covops or in a force recon.
Pawnee Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.07.01 11:32:00 - [166] Edited by: Pawnee on 01/07/2008 11:32:58 test123 edit: cool, I am able to write orange now, too. I am VIP!
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 15:52:00 - [167] Originally by: Evil Pookie Edited by: Evil Pookie on 01/07/2008 07:53:30 Originally by: Mayalla Originally by: alden good Originally by: kublai Originally by: alden good Originally by: DHB WildCat -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage. fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE! Enemy ts is set low so that when the fighting starts we can easily communicate over it (thus losing the ts feed). The targets we primary are called for a number of reasons, often not because he is the fc but because they are the highest threat to our gang (I wont go into details for obvious reasons) As for Wildcat...... I believe in freedom of speech, I believe Wild has the right to post in any colour he wants and say whatever he wants....... Every time I read one of Wildcat's threads I re-evaluate my thoughts on this topic...... You look cooler in pink...
Wally IV	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:01:00 - [168] Burn Eden - I have a question for you. Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly? In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they? For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight?
EquitaS Gallente Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:11:00 - [169] Edited by: EquitaS on 01/07/2008 16:10:49 Burn eden are very good at what they do, and if you think their tactics are lame then look at yourself. You see, I for example think bringing 30 ppl to fight 5 is lame, it just depends how you look on it. If you are a small corp you can either nano around in hacs or do the BE thing, and when someone is really good at it the big alliances that cant counter it always start to scream noobs/fags/loosers/no balls etc etc. They take on gangs/fleets much larger then their own, mad props for that.
Kashinator Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:13:00 - [170] I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly. Fun stuff.....
Tio 10	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:17:00 - [171] Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly. Fun stuff..... So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know.
Kashinator Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:25:00 - [172] Originally by: EquitaS Edited by: EquitaS on 01/07/2008 16:10:49 Burn eden are very good at what they do, and if you think their tactics are lame then look at yourself. You see, I for example think bringing 30 ppl to fight 5 is lame, it just depends how you look on it. If you are a small corp you can either nano around in hacs or do the BE thing, and when someone is really good at it the big alliances that cant counter it always start to scream noobs/fags/loosers/no balls etc etc. They take on gangs/fleets much larger then their own, mad props for that. Is bringing 30 people to fight 5 more lame than bringing 5 people to a station, cloaking at optimals and randomly popping everyone that undocks and then podding them as well? I mean, if your gonna criticize tactics, it goes both ways.
Kashinator Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:28:00 - [173] Originally by: Tio 10 Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly. Fun stuff..... So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know. The particular instance I was referring to was quite a few more than 5. Yes, when we had a cov ops mention that he had a raven out in a safe spot 10 off, that ship would warp away and/or cloak before any of Hydra moved. When TS intel was silenced, andy started losing ravens LOL
Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:38:00 - [174] lol Hydra. Dang those BE dudes, using meta-gaming, espionage, and whatever works to win a fight. No e-honour tbh! You'd think that they would fit close-range battleships and fight the Hydra blob toe-to-toe, in a very manly fashion. How dare they not fight on your terms! Honestly, the thing that inspires more respect in me than anything else BE has done... is spying on Hydra vent. I mean, ****. I wouldn't sit in their vent for 5 minutes if you PAID me. Sitting in Hydra vent for hours, though, that's some serious intestinal fortitude & dedication right there. Madprops o7 -- Taggart Transdimensional corporation - \| Capitalism \| Objectivism \| 0.0 \| No taxes \| No mandatory ops \| Join channel TAGGART for more
Randel Forneth Caldari Royal Enterprise Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:38:00 - [175] Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings. Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please?
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:42:00 - [176] Originally by: Kashinator Originally by: Tio 10 Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly. Fun stuff..... So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know. The particular instance I was referring to was quite a few more than 5. Yes, when we had a cov ops mention that he had a raven out in a safe spot 10 off, that ship would warp away and/or cloak before any of Hydra moved. When TS intel was silenced, andy started losing ravens LOL Trust me, Andy is just as capable of losing ravens with enemy ts feeds as without.....
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:43:00 - [177] Originally by: Randel Forneth Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings. Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please? cough killboards cough
Debian Linux Caldari War Dawgs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:46:00 - [178] Originally by: Randel Forneth Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings. Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please? [Raven, 38724] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Medium Armor Repairer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Improved Cloaking Device II Warhead Flare Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I Vespa EC-600 x1 Vespa EC-600 x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 I'll give them this, quite creative fitting for a raven and it seems to work most of the time with the right ship mixture in the gang.
Ricco Lonestar Minmatar xtort	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:48:00 - [179] LTS - Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports. We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth. You forgot to mention: "They scream Burn Eden local" My 2 cents
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.07.01 17:54:00 - [180] Remember boys, no publicity is bad publicity.

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