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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
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If you do not know me or do not know my corp then this is no thread for you.
The purpose of this thread....
-To leave CAOD for alliance talks
-To explain why we use modules and tactics that we do
I love this corp, I have been in some large alliances such as (the old) HUZZAH, FIX and large corporations such as 0utbreak. I have had the honor of flying with and against virtually every alliance that matters in this game. So....
The cloak debate -
Why do we where cloaks on our ships? A long time ago we never wore cloaks. We had a tactic that allowed us to be invisible to scanner and we didnt have a lock penalty. I miss those days.
However, then there came a wonderful patch that allows cov-ops to scan down a ship in under 20 seconds. Still no problem really, we just had to be careful but when blobbed by 80 people it can be very difficult. However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
However instead of letting that get us downwe decided if CCP allows them to do that, then we will counter it, and thus the cloaking age began.
ALTS -
Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports.
We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth.
misconceptions -
-We do engage outnumbered and often!
-We do choose the time, place, and style of all engagements.
-We most commonly engage under 100km away.
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
-SMACK is a tool to be used against people to make them do stupid things, we try to keep our smack fresh and entertaining 8).
Accomplishments
-We are a corporation of 16 pilots, mainly under 10 active and sometimes only 5 or so active at any given point. We achieve our stats with these numbers.
-We own several SUPER CAPITAL class ships, and all of our members are multi billion iskainers from pvp work only.
-Finished third in an alliance tournament one years form a pool of 10 active pilots.
-Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone. I love this corp and all its pilots (present and past). So no more misconceptions, just facts.
WE LOVE YOU ALL 
WildCat
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
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If you do not know me or do not know my corp then this is no thread for you.
The purpose of this thread....
-To leave CAOD for alliance talks
-To explain why we use modules and tactics that we do
I love this corp, I have been in some large alliances such as (the old) HUZZAH, FIX and large corporations such as 0utbreak. I have had the honor of flying with and against virtually every alliance that matters in this game. So....
The cloak debate -
Why do we where cloaks on our ships? A long time ago we never wore cloaks. We had a tactic that allowed us to be invisible to scanner and we didnt have a lock penalty. I miss those days.
However, then there came a wonderful patch that allows cov-ops to scan down a ship in under 20 seconds. Still no problem really, we just had to be careful but when blobbed by 80 people it can be very difficult. However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
However instead of letting that get us downwe decided if CCP allows them to do that, then we will counter it, and thus the cloaking age began.
ALTS -
Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports.
We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth.
misconceptions -
-We do engage outnumbered and often!
-We do choose the time, place, and style of all engagements.
-We most commonly engage under 100km away.
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
-SMACK is a tool to be used against people to make them do stupid things, we try to keep our smack fresh and entertaining 8).
Accomplishments
-We are a corporation of 16 pilots, mainly under 10 active and sometimes only 5 or so active at any given point. We achieve our stats with these numbers.
-We own several SUPER CAPITAL class ships, and all of our members are multi billion iskainers from pvp work only.
-Finished third in an alliance tournament one years form a pool of 10 active pilots.
-Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone. I love this corp and all its pilots (present and past). So no more misconceptions, just facts.
WE LOVE YOU ALL
WildCat
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Blind Man
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:52:00 -
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BE are cool cats.
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Blind Man
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:52:00 -
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BE are cool cats.
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Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:57:00 -
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MY EYES!
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Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:57:00 -
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MY EYES!
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:59:00 -
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have always been impressed by your accomplishments, and enjoy your caod reports
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:59:00 -
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have always been impressed by your accomplishments, and enjoy your caod reports
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:01:00 -
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You forgot to add about your use of spies in opposition corps/alliances to know movements etc.
Otherwise, you pvp and are good at it, you choose when to fight and are masters of that skill set.
Rock on, Eve will remember the name
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:01:00 -
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You forgot to add about your use of spies in opposition corps/alliances to know movements etc.
Otherwise, you pvp and are good at it, you choose when to fight and are masters of that skill set.
Rock on, Eve will remember the name
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:06:00 -
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I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:06:00 -
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I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Ephemeron
I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
Really see here I was thinking CAOD was a bigger deal than general discussion..... hmmm oh well.
Also who are you and why do you keep showing up in all of our posts? Are you stalking us? Please leave if you are just going to make personal attacks.... k... thx.... bye
WildCat
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:18:00 -
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I was seriously thinking of stalking you, but decided Band of Brothers was better
I think you are too full of yourself.
Quote:
You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone.
My choice.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:19:00 -
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Hard to claim that TS spies aren't used when soundboards of past campaigns are created.
Sounds like MM did precisely what they should have done. If you didn't want to fight your choice was to run, de-agress and log, or to cloak. You choose cloak because once cloaked it cannot be countered except sheer luck.
Just because you could not be scanned before does not mean the cloak is much better. Trading one invulnerability for another isn't a good thing.
Being trapped in a hostile system and the gates covered is something that everyone deals with. Most don't make cloaks a core part of their tactics. I can't say logging off is much better than an afk cloaker.
But with game mechanics the way they are the best way to deal with cloakers is to work around them. Ignore them. Force them to exit the system to get fights. Jumping through gates are when they're the most vulnerable.
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Really see here I was thinking CAOD was a bigger deal than general discussion..... hmmm oh well.
yeah, i laughed
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Railin wei
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:38:00 -
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The variety of warfare tactics is what makes EVE great, people just don't like to die so they whine. Keep up the good work 
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Your Fleetcommander
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:51:00 -
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You left out the part where you have the highest number of eve rage quits and 'nevermind, I was just kidding' returns.
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Laurenya
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:53:00 -
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-Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
Just a note, but I think everyone I've seen has positive K/D ratios because of the way killboards usually work.
If you have a team of 8 guys, and you blow up another team of 8 ships, you are each credited with 8 kills.
But then if your team of 8 is killed by someone else, you are each credited with 1 loss.
So your K:D ratio is 8 to 1 where it should be 1:1
Trying to figure out the 'real' K:D ratios seems to be beyond most killboards, however. |
Sneakers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:53:00 -
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ahh sweet sweet memories of that night. heh
always a pleasure flying with or against you BE folks.
Just because I know it all, doesn't mean I'm A Bad person. |
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Snapp
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it.
hehe, we aim to please hehe.
good times good times...
I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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ILikeTastyPie
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:06:00 -
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I can understand why you use the cloaks, but I mean to me as an outsider, it may be a common mis-conception, but all I've heard is that you only engage with multiple falcons, and that your to only engage when you can win or escape. However, seeing as your a small corp, (I myself being in a small corp of dedicated pvpers) I know it can be hard to fight outnumbered and get good fights, especially against 0.0 opposition. Seriously I do know how it can be, we spent a few weeks fighting red alliance when they moved into pure blind and blobs and log on tactics where the norm for them. We once jumped 6 bs into a 20-30 man gang of theirs, and they decided to run and came back 5 minutes later with 60 people. They hot dropped us when they had more numbers than us, it was horrible. So I do respect you for fighting against the numbers.
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Matalino
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 25/06/2008 20:12:19
Originally by: ILikeTastyPie
that your to only engage when you can win or escape.
Somehow I don't think that it is reasonable to expect them to seek out engagements where they can neither win nor escape. 
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Snapp
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: ILikeTastyPie
I can understand why you use the cloaks, but I mean to me as an outsider, it may be a common mis-conception, but all I've heard is that you only engage with multiple falcons, and that your to only engage when you can win or escape. However, seeing as your a small corp, (I myself being in a small corp of dedicated pvpers) I know it can be hard to fight outnumbered and get good fights, especially against 0.0 opposition. Seriously I do know how it can be, we spent a few weeks fighting red alliance when they moved into pure blind and blobs and log on tactics where the norm for them. We once jumped 6 bs into a 20-30 man gang of theirs, and they decided to run and came back 5 minutes later with 60 people. They hot dropped us when they had more numbers than us, it was horrible. So I do respect you for fighting against the numbers.
the difference is, they woulda killed 20 or 30 of the 60 that returned  ebil they are, but not as bad(or good depending on your flavor of eve you prefer) as the old BE Ravens, loved those things, ugly to fight against, damped down to 30m heh and 20 or 30 torps in the air, heheh dam i wish they would un nerf damps and torps.
I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:27:00 -
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I love it when people suggest an elite pvp alliance should leave a tactical option on the table that is not only legal but has been specifically provided for the purpose it was used.
I'd like to see those people who claim that what BE does is somehow tarnished by the fact that they use cloaks to let us know what tactic they and their superior intelect would use to fight a larger force on their own ground and succeed?
LESS CLOAK! MOAR HONOUR TANK!  
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:28:00 -
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for the most people in general who have no idea what this is about: burn eden are a pvp corp that's in the top 20 "most isk destroyed" in the game, and who apparently think there's a big debate as to whether it's ok for them to use cloaking devices while waiting for fights.
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Edited by: Matalino on 25/06/2008 20:12:19
Originally by: ILikeTastyPie
that your to only engage when you can win or escape.
Somehow I don't think that it is reasonable to expect them to seek out engagements where they can neither win nor escape.
hahahaha 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:24:00 -
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I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
That was a nice story, must have been a funny moment when you noticed "Oh ****, it's a trap"
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Oftherocks
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:46:00 -
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I didn't realize there was a debate on BE. I thought everyone agreed you guys are damn good pirates. If people don't like your tactics or equipment, they should just try to kill you.
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:02:00 -
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SLurrrrrrrrrp
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