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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
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If you do not know me or do not know my corp then this is no thread for you.
The purpose of this thread.... -To leave CAOD for alliance talks -To explain why we use modules and tactics that we do
I love this corp, I have been in some large alliances such as (the old) HUZZAH, FIX and large corporations such as 0utbreak. I have had the honor of flying with and against virtually every alliance that matters in this game. So....
The cloak debate - Why do we where cloaks on our ships? A long time ago we never wore cloaks. We had a tactic that allowed us to be invisible to scanner and we didnt have a lock penalty. I miss those days.
However, then there came a wonderful patch that allows cov-ops to scan down a ship in under 20 seconds. Still no problem really, we just had to be careful but when blobbed by 80 people it can be very difficult. However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
However instead of letting that get us downwe decided if CCP allows them to do that, then we will counter it, and thus the cloaking age began.
ALTS -
Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports. We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth.
misconceptions - -We do engage outnumbered and often! -We do choose the time, place, and style of all engagements. -We most commonly engage under 100km away. -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. -SMACK is a tool to be used against people to make them do stupid things, we try to keep our smack fresh and entertaining 8).
Accomplishments -We are a corporation of 16 pilots, mainly under 10 active and sometimes only 5 or so active at any given point. We achieve our stats with these numbers. -We own several SUPER CAPITAL class ships, and all of our members are multi billion iskainers from pvp work only. -Finished third in an alliance tournament one years form a pool of 10 active pilots. -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone. I love this corp and all its pilots (present and past). So no more misconceptions, just facts.
WE LOVE YOU ALL
WildCat
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
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If you do not know me or do not know my corp then this is no thread for you.
The purpose of this thread.... -To leave CAOD for alliance talks -To explain why we use modules and tactics that we do
I love this corp, I have been in some large alliances such as (the old) HUZZAH, FIX and large corporations such as 0utbreak. I have had the honor of flying with and against virtually every alliance that matters in this game. So....
The cloak debate - Why do we where cloaks on our ships? A long time ago we never wore cloaks. We had a tactic that allowed us to be invisible to scanner and we didnt have a lock penalty. I miss those days.
However, then there came a wonderful patch that allows cov-ops to scan down a ship in under 20 seconds. Still no problem really, we just had to be careful but when blobbed by 80 people it can be very difficult. However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
However instead of letting that get us downwe decided if CCP allows them to do that, then we will counter it, and thus the cloaking age began.
ALTS -
Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports. We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth.
misconceptions - -We do engage outnumbered and often! -We do choose the time, place, and style of all engagements. -We most commonly engage under 100km away. -We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration. -SMACK is a tool to be used against people to make them do stupid things, we try to keep our smack fresh and entertaining 8).
Accomplishments -We are a corporation of 16 pilots, mainly under 10 active and sometimes only 5 or so active at any given point. We achieve our stats with these numbers. -We own several SUPER CAPITAL class ships, and all of our members are multi billion iskainers from pvp work only. -Finished third in an alliance tournament one years form a pool of 10 active pilots. -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone. I love this corp and all its pilots (present and past). So no more misconceptions, just facts.
WE LOVE YOU ALL
WildCat
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Blind Man
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:52:00 -
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BE are cool cats. ╟
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Blind Man
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:52:00 -
[4]
BE are cool cats. ╟
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Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:57:00 -
[5]
MY EYES!
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Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:57:00 -
[6]
MY EYES!
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:59:00 -
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have always been impressed by your accomplishments, and enjoy your caod reports
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:59:00 -
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have always been impressed by your accomplishments, and enjoy your caod reports
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:01:00 -
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You forgot to add about your use of spies in opposition corps/alliances to know movements etc.
Otherwise, you pvp and are good at it, you choose when to fight and are masters of that skill set.
Rock on, Eve will remember the name
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:01:00 -
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You forgot to add about your use of spies in opposition corps/alliances to know movements etc.
Otherwise, you pvp and are good at it, you choose when to fight and are masters of that skill set.
Rock on, Eve will remember the name
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:06:00 -
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I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:06:00 -
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I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I know I have a big ego myself, but I think posting this in General Discussion instead of CAOD is a bit over the top.
If you want to debate some of those issues, don't present them in such a self serving manner.
Really see here I was thinking CAOD was a bigger deal than general discussion..... hmmm oh well.
Also who are you and why do you keep showing up in all of our posts? Are you stalking us? Please leave if you are just going to make personal attacks.... k... thx.... bye
WildCat
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:18:00 -
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I was seriously thinking of stalking you, but decided Band of Brothers was better
I think you are too full of yourself.
Quote: You can love us and/or hate us but do so with all the correct knowledge. Your opinion is yours alone.
My choice.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:19:00 -
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Hard to claim that TS spies aren't used when soundboards of past campaigns are created.
Sounds like MM did precisely what they should have done. If you didn't want to fight your choice was to run, de-agress and log, or to cloak. You choose cloak because once cloaked it cannot be countered except sheer luck.
Just because you could not be scanned before does not mean the cloak is much better. Trading one invulnerability for another isn't a good thing.
Being trapped in a hostile system and the gates covered is something that everyone deals with. Most don't make cloaks a core part of their tactics. I can't say logging off is much better than an afk cloaker.
But with game mechanics the way they are the best way to deal with cloakers is to work around them. Ignore them. Force them to exit the system to get fights. Jumping through gates are when they're the most vulnerable.
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat Really see here I was thinking CAOD was a bigger deal than general discussion..... hmmm oh well.
yeah, i laughed
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Railin wei
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:38:00 -
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The variety of warfare tactics is what makes EVE great, people just don't like to die so they whine. Keep up the good work
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Your Fleetcommander
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:51:00 -
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You left out the part where you have the highest number of eve rage quits and 'nevermind, I was just kidding' returns.
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Laurenya
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:53:00 -
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Quote: -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
Just a note, but I think everyone I've seen has positive K/D ratios because of the way killboards usually work.
If you have a team of 8 guys, and you blow up another team of 8 ships, you are each credited with 8 kills.
But then if your team of 8 is killed by someone else, you are each credited with 1 loss.
So your K:D ratio is 8 to 1 where it should be 1:1
Trying to figure out the 'real' K:D ratios seems to be beyond most killboards, however. |
Sneakers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:53:00 -
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ahh sweet sweet memories of that night. heh always a pleasure flying with or against you BE folks. Just because I know it all, doesn't mean I'm A Bad person. |
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Snapp
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it.
hehe, we aim to please hehe.
good times good times... I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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ILikeTastyPie
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:06:00 -
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I can understand why you use the cloaks, but I mean to me as an outsider, it may be a common mis-conception, but all I've heard is that you only engage with multiple falcons, and that your to only engage when you can win or escape. However, seeing as your a small corp, (I myself being in a small corp of dedicated pvpers) I know it can be hard to fight outnumbered and get good fights, especially against 0.0 opposition. Seriously I do know how it can be, we spent a few weeks fighting red alliance when they moved into pure blind and blobs and log on tactics where the norm for them. We once jumped 6 bs into a 20-30 man gang of theirs, and they decided to run and came back 5 minutes later with 60 people. They hot dropped us when they had more numbers than us, it was horrible. So I do respect you for fighting against the numbers.
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Matalino
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 25/06/2008 20:12:19
Originally by: ILikeTastyPie that your to only engage when you can win or escape.
Somehow I don't think that it is reasonable to expect them to seek out engagements where they can neither win nor escape.
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Snapp
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: ILikeTastyPie I can understand why you use the cloaks, but I mean to me as an outsider, it may be a common mis-conception, but all I've heard is that you only engage with multiple falcons, and that your to only engage when you can win or escape. However, seeing as your a small corp, (I myself being in a small corp of dedicated pvpers) I know it can be hard to fight outnumbered and get good fights, especially against 0.0 opposition. Seriously I do know how it can be, we spent a few weeks fighting red alliance when they moved into pure blind and blobs and log on tactics where the norm for them. We once jumped 6 bs into a 20-30 man gang of theirs, and they decided to run and came back 5 minutes later with 60 people. They hot dropped us when they had more numbers than us, it was horrible. So I do respect you for fighting against the numbers.
the difference is, they woulda killed 20 or 30 of the 60 that returned ebil they are, but not as bad(or good depending on your flavor of eve you prefer) as the old BE Ravens, loved those things, ugly to fight against, damped down to 30m heh and 20 or 30 torps in the air, heheh dam i wish they would un nerf damps and torps. I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:27:00 -
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I love it when people suggest an elite pvp alliance should leave a tactical option on the table that is not only legal but has been specifically provided for the purpose it was used.
I'd like to see those people who claim that what BE does is somehow tarnished by the fact that they use cloaks to let us know what tactic they and their superior intelect would use to fight a larger force on their own ground and succeed?
LESS CLOAK! MOAR HONOUR TANK! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:28:00 -
[26]
for the most people in general who have no idea what this is about: burn eden are a pvp corp that's in the top 20 "most isk destroyed" in the game, and who apparently think there's a big debate as to whether it's ok for them to use cloaking devices while waiting for fights.
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 25/06/2008 20:12:19
Originally by: ILikeTastyPie that your to only engage when you can win or escape.
Somehow I don't think that it is reasonable to expect them to seek out engagements where they can neither win nor escape.
hahahaha
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:24:00 -
[28]
Quote: I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. However the 20 second cov-ops made that impossible to do. We then decided to engage the enemy at the gates in order to demoralize them and hopefully get them to leave. We killed many ships but during that time the carriers assigned drones on to us. For the next 2 hours we set records of hoping safe spots and trying to kill fighters. However every time we tried to kill a fighter the cov-ops had our spot and a fleet would land on top of us. Ultimately Arnold said screw it and let the fighters kill him. I was the only one to make it out of there but only after downtime. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
That was a nice story, must have been a funny moment when you noticed "Oh ****, it's a trap"
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Oftherocks
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:46:00 -
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I didn't realize there was a debate on BE. I thought everyone agreed you guys are damn good pirates. If people don't like your tactics or equipment, they should just try to kill you.
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:02:00 -
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SLurrrrrrrrrp
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact.
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We own several SUPER CAPITAL class ships, and all of our members are multi billion iskainers from pvp work only.
Obvious lie spotted!
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Seriya
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:44:00 -
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Is the BE Debate a Mass Debate, or do you prefer to keep that to a small number of guys too?
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:49:00 -
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What debate? There's a debate?
I've never been killed by BE. Never seen an officer spawn, either.
Quote: -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
Unless I'm mistaken, I got on a KM for one of your tackle alts when you visited Bruce in Fountain, so I guess I can make the same claim: Positive K/D ratio versus BE.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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noc D
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:49:00 -
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respect.
i always loved your concept, tactics and fitings. you guys create "burn eden raven" (while everybody saying 'raven sucks on pvp') fiting and pushed fiting concept. that made me think different on modules and setups.
good to hear some details from you.
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Spenz
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:50:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Spenz on 25/06/2008 23:55:18 Bah not worth it. |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:07:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 26/06/2008 01:08:02
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
If you don't hold and defend territory of your own, thats not a meaningful accomplishment.
Having said that, you are indeed a very successful roaming gang group, and very skilled at what you do, but you can't really compare your effectiveness to the major alliances unless you too hold and fight for your territory, at least not but such simple stats.
I realize that given your size, thats not really a wise or realistic option, but its still a valid point.
But there are options that would allow a direct comparison......
As you are a roaming gang group, if you really want to compare your self against the territory holding alliances, seek out THEIR roaming combat gangs, and engage them. This in no way suggests that you need to give up your other gankage, as its all part of the game, but such "roaming combat gang" vs "roaming combat gang" combat would allow better comparison. And I suspect you'd still do well at it.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:35:00 -
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<3 DHB WildCat Me misses WC's CTA Me misses TI, I learned more about PvP in the month TOS was in that alliance than the rest of the 3 years I've been playing EVE.
Me Don't miss the 15 minute Cuss outs on TS. Way better ways to get the point across then using every variation of the "F" word in a single sentence.
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Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Tortun Nahme
Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:41:00 -
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the only thing I have against Burn Eden is DHB Wildcat
seriously, stop posting, the orange is bad, and your posts are generally rubbish
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme the only thing I have against Burn Eden is DHB Wildcat
seriously, stop posting, the orange is bad, and your posts are generally rubbish
I second this. God it is so awful. I don't care how 1337 you think you are because you're in Burn Eden. I don't care how amazing Burn Eden thinks they are.
And I agree with Spotty here, it's not that amazing when you're only attacking. You have no space to defend, and as thus only need to engage on your terms. How amazing!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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NoobMan
Chump Rabbit
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:24:00 -
[40]
Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL:
10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN!
And the number one reason:
1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL!
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:25:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Haakelen on 26/06/2008 02:25:30 I like how this thread is called 'The Burn Eden Debate' when nobody was discussing BE in this forum.
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Goremageddon Box
Soldiers Of Mercy
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:28:00 -
[42]
whats the point of this? _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Jmanis Catharg
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:28:00 -
[43]
I know of Burn Eden, I know their reputation, and regardless of whether or not it's true, I couldn't help but get the song "I'm waving my **** in the wind" out of my head...
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Steph Wing
Electro Fuels
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:31:00 -
[44]
Back when I was in BRUCE, BE gave me nothing short of relentless headaches for several weeks.
I hate you guys. But having said that, I also have tremendous respect. You fellas truly are the best at what you do. o7
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Lord Evangelian
The White Mantle
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:41:00 -
[45]
I use cloaks on my ships and encourage my co pilots to as well, people call my technique cowardly, but when you can sneak up on your prey and kill/ransom them then hide back into the shadows, My mission is complete. I dont always want to be seen.
I salute you
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Sconitta
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:00:00 -
[46]
i bet you dont like them titans jumping in and dd :P
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:10:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Sconitta i bet you dont like them titans jumping in and dd :P
I have been DD 10 times by RA, -A-, BoB, and more. You get used to it. See a cyno warp out, dont even bother anymore.
WildCat
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:21:00 -
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I liked the dual 100mn MWD ravens, but to be fair, burn eden did not invent them, nor were they the first to use them.
Burn eden did what no one else did. They took an idea, and elaborated. They asked themselves, "great, now what would happen if we had MORE of them? *mwuahahahahhahahha*"
The whole cloak-whine debate sickens me. If we didn't have cloaks, we would just regress and use countless alts in shuttles and noobships. We would all log off and back on again when our guy with the disposable alt sounded the all clear.
Now we can stay online, and keep doing whatever we have to do to pass the boredom between the all to few proper fights.
Also. someone wrote something about killboards and the way they display K:D ratios. You Sir are SO right! Killboards are evil man. They draw attention away from blowing stuff up, and force people to be really booring - like me, in my cloaked ship *bwahahahha*
Anywho, I should go to bed now. I am starting to ramble quite a bit...
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Clinically
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:14:00 -
[49]
BE? In my forum?
It's more likely than you think!
(<3 BE TBH) ________________
Originally by: Evil Thug I wear pink panties.
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Brakus
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:19:00 -
[50]
Well now that it's over I disagree with the game mechanics that make it possible but I must say you are the best that I faced with in it.
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:23:00 -
[51]
Under Accomplishments you failed to note that you don't allow Fragm to post anymore, or that he's banned, doesn't play, isn't involved with the corp.
He was the single biggest setback you guys ever had. No matter how great an accomplishment you could have achieved, letting him post about made your corp a laughingstock.
But I give you props for still being active and sticking to your guns about the way you play. BE has always, save Fragm (and only because he liked to brag too much and has a huge ego), been honest and straightforward about how it plays the game and what it wants to do. That can't be said about many entities in the game.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Stuart Price
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:42:00 -
[52]
If it's a legitimate tactic allowed by the game then it's fair to use it.
If people have to resort to abuse/hate/flaming it's because they have no in-game comeback. It's therefore a compliment to being better at a particular part of the game than the person hurling the abuse.
Forums are public. People can post whatever they want within reasonable parameters. If you don't like it, make the response you are freely entitled to! Just bear in mind that people will judge YOU on that post in the same way you judge the posts of others.
Fame and reputation cannot be bought.
BE are where they are because they're very good at what they do. Love or hate them, that cannot really be denied. I was in a corp that got wardecced by BE a few years ago. The only tactic that worked for us was to hide and deny them targets because we were unable (through bad communication, lack of willing from most members and poor pvp leadership) to match them in the field. I learned a lot from that war (particularly about making ships spin round really fast in stations).
Teamwork, adaptation and commitment are everything in this game. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2008.06.26 05:08:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Italian Wedding on 26/06/2008 05:08:43 The Cloak Debate:
That's funny. You go into their system, they form up to defend, and then when you want to leave you can't cause of bubbles. So now you fit cloaks. I love when people go into other peoples home systems wanting to get some easy ganks and it goes horribly wrong because they form up and trap you in and then you complain about being blobed. Wah wah.
Alts:
Good for you. Grade A+++ tactic.
Misconceptions:
kk
Accomplishments:
Congrats.
Notes: Lose the "I need attention" attitude and the colored text that screams "I need attention".
I give you a C-. Could have been better.
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MineralOel Steuer
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.06.26 05:43:00 -
[54]
BURN EDEN was the best Corp in Goonswarm!
seriously, actually I'm not very Impressed, as you just make "Contracts" against the weaker Alliances out there, like Hydra, BRUCE ect. which just shine in total player per Alliance, rather than skill, Organisation or Player vs Player Capability. Make Contracts against Band of Brothers, Red Alliance maybe Pandemic Legion and try to do the same damage to them. Still it's fun to watch your threads in CAOD, as they cause so much tears.
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 06:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: MineralOel Steuer BURN EDEN was the best Corp in Goonswarm!
seriously, actually I'm not very Impressed, as you just make "Contracts" against the weaker Alliances out there, like Hydra, BRUCE ect. which just shine in total player per Alliance, rather than skill, Organisation or Player vs Player Capability. Make Contracts against Band of Brothers, Red Alliance maybe Pandemic Legion and try to do the same damage to them. Still it's fun to watch your threads in CAOD, as they cause so much tears.
Actually, its not hard at all to have positive Kill/Lose ratio against BoB or any other territory holding alliance.
How?
Don't hold territory, and only fly in a well organized gank group using the latest Eve mobile group tactics,.......
........which is exactly what BE does, and to give credit, they do it well. But their kill/Lose ratio is pretty meaningless unless they hold and defend territory of their own, or only count combat they have with other mobile gank groups.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:02:00 -
[56]
I have never seen or nor fought you guys at any point, but I will give you credit where its due.
Very good use of alternative tactics, and pretty inventive as well.
Adapting to the game done well. Good luck in all future adventures . __________________________________________________
Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:03:00 -
[57]
Blobbing alliances still calling using cloaks haxxoring, eh?
F them, don't listen to them, DHB Wildcat. It's all 0.0 up there, if they don't like it, tell them to gtfo.
Nothing worse than 0.0 blobbers (omg we spam alliance fleet invite in alliance chat we r so organized in our fleet) whining about anything.
Respect to BE. How about under accomplishments, "PvPing with ravens while everyone says caldari ships are noob pve boats. Inventing an entire style of pvp and perfecting it". I haven't observed BE in a long while but I have seen Evil Pookie and Satan around and those guys are always up to no good, lulz. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:18:00 -
[58]
IAC killboard is pretty good at giving a correct K/D ratio. If you lose a ship worth 100m fittings included, you have a score of -100.000.000. Now if you put together a 10 man gank to kill an enemy ship worth 100m, you get 100m/10 = 10.000.000 points. So you need to make 10 such kills with your gank squad to get back to even. ==================================================
I should really get a sig. |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:38:00 -
[59]
What is this like a BOB spinoff or something? Go back to your hole, CAOD. . Seeking frigateers!
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:41:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Goremageddon Box whats the point of this?
Just about every tactic BE uses has been nerfed. I remember the days of cloaking wcs 200km+ Jav torp, ew snipers that could 1-2 volley most cepters back then. IIRC they had a logoff dictor to drop bubble, since bubbles back then stopped scrambling when you logged off (lol). Either way, its was a ingenous tactic that eventually got every part of the scheme a nerf or fix. WCS nerf, Cloaking Nerf, Jav Torp vs small targets nerf etc etc. In the past, BE could shut down several thousand man carebear/blobber style alliances, though supercaps, POS jump bridges etc etc has made this harder for them to do so today.
Good or bad, they at least try something a bit more different from the usual "pile up 200 in blob and charge" tactic that is just too commonplace in eve. --
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:45:00 -
[61]
Posting in a BE thread! Go go go!
Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar? |
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:46:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Goremageddon Box whats the point of this?
It's so some attention seeking person can wave his e-peen around in orange and then some people come in and smack him down and others (or alts?) come in and praise his uberness.
Think that just about covers it.
Oh, and this is a fairly regular occurrence.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:47:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot But their kill/Lose ratio is pretty meaningless unless they hold and defend territory of their own, or only count combat they have with other mobile gank groups.
You should really edit this part out before the goon brigrade grabs this. This is an incredibly dumb statement. K/D is a very simple numberical formula and shouldn't be taken as an omg leet stat and you should not get on your high horse and start telling people their k/d doesn't count because they didn't kill the right about of magic pixies or live in the correct candy mountain. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Stein Voorhees
Ghost in the Machine Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:29:00 -
[64]
Legends.
A shining example of using your brains to beat people at PvP.
Long may it go on.
-GIM- are recruiting |
TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:48:00 -
[65]
Quote: That's funny. You go into their system, they form up to defend, and then when you want to leave you can't cause of bubbles. So now you fit cloaks.
Read again...
The cloaks was fitted cause CCP in their wisdom made it possible to scan down stuff in 20sec. Wich again made it impossible to kill fighters in a SS before the blob arrived. Then new fighters got put on you, and you had to warp out again...
= constantly agressed
Could not warp to gate and jump, could not log if RL issues came up without loosing ship.
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Imperian
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:11:00 -
[66]
Quote: However the final decision came when we were in MM home system. I still have nightmares about this system, just ask anyone from BE about it. We were engaging Morsus Mihi on their stations, and while this was happening, 2 large bubbles were being anchored, one on each gate. Then 4 carriers and 2 mother ships were assigned to each gate. This pretty much blocked our exit, so we tried to safe up and wait it out. After 8 hours of hoping safe spots because Morsus Mihi had a combination of 80 man fleet, 20 seconds probers, and 10 carriers including 4 mother ships full of fighters.
Sometimes I miss you guys. Supporting this thread to make you come back harrassing us
Good old days
RAWR |
overcorpse
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:22:00 -
[67]
Edited by: overcorpse on 26/06/2008 11:24:36
Originally by: NoobMan Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL:
10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN!
And the number one reason:
1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL!
This.
And did'nt the OP make a ragepost about quitting because he had is account...'ahem..hacked'.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:26:00 -
[68]
one day I look at kb and ask so how did you guys loose 2 vagas, he said that his wingman said "hey its only 1 hyena on the gate jump in" to which i promptly responded... but it was a burn eden hyena
that and when dropping a mom on a bs is it really necessary to jam with a falcon at the same time
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:41:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Laurenya
Quote: -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
Just a note, but I think everyone I've seen has positive K/D ratios because of the way killboards usually work.
If you have a team of 8 guys, and you blow up another team of 8 ships, you are each credited with 8 kills.
But then if your team of 8 is killed by someone else, you are each credited with 1 loss.
So your K:D ratio is 8 to 1 where it should be 1:1
Trying to figure out the 'real' K:D ratios seems to be beyond most killboards, however.
thats why most kbs use a point system. with grief watch a "fair fight" as in bs vs bs (cruiser vs cruiser, frig vs frig, bc vs bc, ect) is 20 points to the victor. if its 6 or so on 1 you might get say 3 points. although if its bigger than you get more points, frig killing a cruiser is 80 points
enough with the off topic ramblings.
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Allanon Wren
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:50:00 -
[70]
Originally by: NoobMan Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL:
10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN!
And the number one reason:
1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL!
Quoting this because it's 100% pure fact.
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Janu Hull
Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:01:00 -
[71]
As a repeat customer of BE's occassional forays into the Misaba/R3 area, they were pure hell to cope with as a non-aligned pilot. Absolutely relentless and patient.
I think the only thing they've ever done that surprised me was join an alliance.
Did I gripe about them? Yes. Do I like them? Not really. But I respect skill, and they do have it.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device. |
SARPIDON
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:06:00 -
[72]
What they do they do VERY well.
Even with Tzeer in gang.
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Barasu
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:08:00 -
[73]
Have fun my old corpmates. You have a nice home in BE.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:17:00 -
[74]
For those of you saying.... HEY didnt he quit? Go back and look at my post. I said I was taking a break while the GM's looked into my hacked account. It only took them 2 months to get my things back. They returned it all, and my break is over.
Try to find the words Im done, or I quit EVE. Anyways interpret anything how you will, now back on topic 8).
WildCat
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:45:00 -
[75]
Whats the debate anyway?
You guys are good at what you do. Who cares what anyone else thinks?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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KOTH Fluf
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:14:00 -
[76]
Just to clear this up, this incident happen in IMK on January 25, 2007. It involved 20 Shiva pilots, with 6 carriers, and possible 1 mothership,(although he doesnt show up on the killmails). We used 3 cov ops constantly scanning 10 to 15 seconds apart to try to catch Meanstreak or one of the others that you were using the speed/warp to trick at your SS's. Tactic was to use fast lockers to get fighters on the primary constantly until it died. We killed Evil first, then Arnold. DHB got it the next day.
So no this was not a blob. It was just a tactic we figured out that would be useful against your tactics at the time. The key was the 3 cov ops constantly probing at 15 second intervals so we could constantly catch your warping gang and get fighters on the primary. Adapt and overcome.
Funny to see this incident changed your tactics.
Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:18:00 -
[77]
I've always respected Burn Eden's capabilities. Dangerous and painful and frustrating to fight. I just wish you guys had a political agenda beyond simple ganking
All the best.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Kaianna Sela
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:22:00 -
[78]
Best PvP corp in eve tbh.
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Smackles
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:24:00 -
[79]
What debabte?
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Trojanman190
D00M. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:25:00 -
[80]
Flew with some ex BE guys and I can honestly say their stuff works better than everyone else's.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:31:00 -
[81]
Speaking as somebody who's flown alongside BE with Terra Incognita, I can honestly say that, while undoubtedly effective, I never did enjoy playing by your corp's rules... an attitude common to all my corp-mates and friends at the point where we joined, and ultimately led to our split with you. That's not to say they aren't efficient, but I to this day feel that BE can be a bit too... inflexible.
Having personally discussed a lot of this with Kick, and I believe yourself Wildcat, I'm pretty sure my opinions don't need to be gone over again here, however. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Snapp
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.26 18:11:00 -
[82]
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Just to clear this up, this incident happen in IMK on January 25, 2007. It involved 20 Shiva pilots, with 6 carriers, and possible 1 mothership,(although he doesnt show up on the killmails). We used 3 cov ops constantly scanning 10 to 15 seconds apart to try to catch Meanstreak or one of the others that you were using the speed/warp to trick at your SS's. Tactic was to use fast lockers to get fighters on the primary constantly until it died. We killed Evil first, then Arnold. DHB got it the next day.
So no this was not a blob. It was just a tactic we figured out that would be useful against your tactics at the time. The key was the 3 cov ops constantly probing at 15 second intervals so we could constantly catch your warping gang and get fighters on the primary. Adapt and overcome.
Funny to see this incident changed your tactics.
I didnt want to mention the #'s before, think at the time there was maybe 60 online in alliance chat so 80 was a stretch heh. I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:04:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Snapp
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Just to clear this up, this incident happen in IMK on January 25, 2007. It involved 20 Shiva pilots, with 6 carriers, and possible 1 mothership,(although he doesnt show up on the killmails). We used 3 cov ops constantly scanning 10 to 15 seconds apart to try to catch Meanstreak or one of the others that you were using the speed/warp to trick at your SS's. Tactic was to use fast lockers to get fighters on the primary constantly until it died. We killed Evil first, then Arnold. DHB got it the next day.
So no this was not a blob. It was just a tactic we figured out that would be useful against your tactics at the time. The key was the 3 cov ops constantly probing at 15 second intervals so we could constantly catch your warping gang and get fighters on the primary. Adapt and overcome.
Funny to see this incident changed your tactics.
I didnt want to mention the #'s before, think at the time there was maybe 60 online in alliance chat so 80 was a stretch heh.
You are right, exact numbers are hard to recall. To the point.
At one time local was over 100. Every 15 seconds my overview was filled with hostiles. There were more fighters than hostiles 8) We kept it up for several hours, until Arnold said, enough was enough he had to get some sleep.
Anyways we use our tactics because of Morsus Mihi's tactics, and even more of note, CVA's ability to scan you down in a matter of 8 seconds, I **** you not!
WildCat
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Lipix
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:24:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Lipix on 29/06/2008 01:24:24 Edited by: Lipix on 29/06/2008 01:24:07 You GROSSLY exaggerate your numbers...
http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8016
At NO point in that fight was local above 25-30. |
Tyrantus
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:33:00 -
[85]
Kudos to Burn Eden. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Even though you mostly act like ****ers and use borderline exploit fits you do get things done and are satisfingly effective in making your targets blood pressure climb a few points past critical. Keep up the good work and never ever stop annoying the **** out of everyone.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:40:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/06/2008 01:39:47
Originally by: Goremageddon Box whats the point of this?
Seems like some braging post to me. But who am I some might ask? Just some noob would be my respons I guess. And does that matter? No, still seems like braging :P
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:02:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Kyrie Elaison on 29/06/2008 02:01:53 This is the most pathetic thing I have seen on eve-o. You have tied up your self-worth in internet spaceships over the fact that people mock you on the forums. This is just sad. Arghy is the one true God and Dungar is His prophet. |
prsr
Gallente JuBa Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:36:00 -
[88]
Burn Eden, I remember that corp, wardeccing us when we were still innocent miners somewhere in 2004. I lost a blackbird back then, you bastards.
A lot more recently we met BE in LV space, that was fun, sortof. Probing you down and then seeing two blobs chasing each other across grids in true Benny Hill fashion but without any pew pew in the end was disappointing though.
Never had any specific problem with the tactics that were used, you can usually count on BE to bring an interesting twist to every fight. Adapt and overcome, many alliances couldn't. |
mishkof
Caldari Finis Lumen Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:58:00 -
[89]
Wildcat you are the masterdebater.
I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me |
Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2008.06.29 03:14:00 -
[90]
The OP's wall of text could easily have just been shortened to "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"
I did like them training (a few) more people to watch local when they roamed my way though.
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Antion
Gallente Koshaku
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Posted - 2008.06.29 03:29:00 -
[91]
I have a lot of respect for BE, despite most people disliking their tactics.
They use what EVE gives them, and are very good at adapting tactics. They know most of the counters to their tactics and so are insanely difficult to tie down. Of course, trying to convince others (such as BRUCE) can be trying at times, and so its better to just let them try.
Much respsect. |
DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:38:00 -
[92]
posting in a BE > all, ego thread.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:39:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Lipix Edited by: Lipix on 29/06/2008 01:24:24 Edited by: Lipix on 29/06/2008 01:24:07 You GROSSLY exaggerate your numbers...
http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8016
At NO point in that fight was local above 25-30.
Not like it matters at this point, but lets set some facts straight.
Local was at around 100 there were at least 2 mom's that I recall, not sure where Wild got 4 from.
Remember back then the only people that showed on your kill mail were the people who killed you in that engagement, so just because all you show is 20 people does not mean that its all that was there. You had BLOBS of fighters chasing our untanked battleships, and when they finally decided to say screw it and die its amazing that even 20 of your fleet managed to get on the mails.
Oh and also there are only 3 names on the right side that belong there, not sure who the other guys you killed were but they were NOT with us in that engagement we only had 2 BS and 1 frig.
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:44:00 -
[94]
The only person in this thread less relevant than burn eden, is jade constantine.
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Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:09:00 -
[95]
I care about Burn Eden just enough to post with an alt saying how much I don't care. It was the orange text that put me over the top. |
N Solarz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:15:00 -
[96]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter posting in a BE > all, ego thread.
posting in a DHB brothers thread |
Umbra Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:16:00 -
[97]
Sorry never heard of you, but I'm sure you're just great!
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:22:00 -
[98]
OMG my eyes!
Too orange; didn't read.
When will you learn that orange text doesn't make you cool--it makes you annoying?
OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME
See--not that impressive, is it?
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Xelios Xarxes
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:25:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME OMG I'm SO AWESOME
Hi. I'm a friend of Dorothy too?
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Mr Kindjal
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:02:00 -
[100]
fight outnumbered and loves it? i call bs on this till i see you in amarr militia...
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Azael Lightshade
V i L e
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Posted - 2008.06.30 01:45:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Azael Lightshade on 30/06/2008 01:45:35 -edit nevermind- |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.30 01:54:00 -
[102]
burn eden are the master debaters! |
Delwoc
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:23:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Goremageddon Box whats the point of this?
It's so some attention seeking person can wave his e-peen around in orange and then some people come in and smack him down and others (or alts?) come in and praise his uberness.
Think that just about covers it.
Oh, and this is a fairly regular occurrence.
Thread tbh |
StainLessStealRat
Caldari 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:41:00 -
[104]
I have come close to being popped by BE a couple of times on R3 Gate in Prov. and i can say that your tactics are both valid and work well i see no need to explain them with a KD ratio that you guys have. Good luck see you again next year |
DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:58:00 -
[105]
Not quite sure where some are getting the e-peen waving thread from!? Its actually a breifing of the tactics we use... nowhere "I dont think" does it say we are better than you because we do this....
Also, I ams eeing threads of we dont know you and we dont care... thats fine and to be honest most people that are not in a major 0.0 alliance shouldnt know us.... This thread is not for you, and its a waste of your time.
Lastly noone is making you read this and post, so if you have a real problem with the orange text, then you dont have to read it! Move along nothing to see here 8P.
WildCat |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:02:00 -
[106]
Originally by: DHB WildCat Not quite sure where some are getting the e-peen waving thread from!? Its actually a breifing of the tactics we use... nowhere "I dont think" does it say we are better than you because we do this....
Also, I ams eeing threads of we dont know you and we dont care... thats fine and to be honest most people that are not in a major 0.0 alliance shouldnt know us.... This thread is not for you, and its a waste of your time.
Lastly noone is making you read this and post, so if you have a real problem with the orange text, then you dont have to read it! Move along nothing to see here 8P.
WildCat
quoting before he has a chance to fix his typos
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:08:00 -
[107]
Originally by: DHB WildCat Also, I ams eeing threads of we dont know you and we dont care... thats fine and to be honest most people that are not in a major 0.0 alliance shouldnt know us.... This thread is not for you, and its a waste of your time.
Oh, OK. Well I see where we've gone wrong here then. This is "General Discussion." You want "CAOD," it's a little further down the index page.
Don't sweat it man, I make the same mistake all the time. Welcome to the forums BTW. |
Mary Lyonesse
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:19:00 -
[108]
Originally by: TZeer
Quote: That's funny. You go into their system, they form up to defend, and then when you want to leave you can't cause of bubbles. So now you fit cloaks.
Read again...
The cloaks was fitted cause CCP in their wisdom made it possible to scan down stuff in 20sec. Wich again made it impossible to kill fighters in a SS before the blob arrived. Then new fighters got put on you, and you had to warp out again...
= constantly agressed
Could not warp to gate and jump, could not log if RL issues came up without loosing ship.
Huh?
- Make safespots further from eachother than the scanner goes (further than 5 au from eachother and it WILL take longer to scan you down)? - Don't agress the fighters maybe? - Stop agressing? - STOP agressing? - Warp to a gate and jump? - If you get caught in a bubble and ganked by a big fleet, it might have been not a wise decision to go into a system with for example 10 times the enemies in system as yourself... Guess what, when you fly around with 15 people, you can't expect to take on the biggest alliances in-game with easily fleets of over 100... That's just plain simple... Using cloak to hide and engage whenever you see vulnerable targets and then to brag over your pwnage leet skills (which you have, you're all high SP players, true!) is not justifiable JUST because the others had more people... If you want a legit way to engage large alliances on grand scale, get in another alliance and fight fleet battles... Even though they're laggy and totally not fun...
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:25:00 -
[109]
afraid to get smacked in CAOD? should be in CAOD what ya think the C stands for?
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.06.30 14:26:00 -
[110]
Edited by: NeoTheo on 30/06/2008 14:25:52 all aboard the failboat
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Acaya Va'Denta
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Posted - 2008.06.30 15:58:00 -
[111]
Hey DHB this is sethfon, I have flown with you in low sec! o/ BE And DHB are cool peeps and are some kick ass PVPer's. I live in 0.0 now i am with DU and we might meet up again and as aways i will try to find away Kill you or fly with you as before. Hope BE keeps up the good work and kills are High! o/ DHB |
Snake Tanuki
ZiTek
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:40:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Snake Tanuki on 30/06/2008 16:44:54
I have to confess I'm a total BURN EDEN fan, they are the best boy group there is! Listening to their songs all the time: "Larger then life" " I want you dead, mate" "Show me the meaning of being primary" "As long as you hate me" "Quit playin' games (if you suck)" and of course "I'll never break your tank"
You guys are sooooo cute and awesome, I want your babies! I bought all your merchandise stuff, the BE friendship mug, the BE heart shaped box, the BE teddy bear with big balls... everything.
Keep going in stile, you guyz rock!
PS: Please don't pod me for being silly.
All your goats are belong to us! |
solarwinds
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:44:00 -
[113]
Look out or BE will steal all your carriers! They've done it before, doncha know?
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:24:00 -
[114]
Moved to CAOD.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang |
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Vizaan Kadoor
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:37:00 -
[115]
There is no debate Wildcat. There is a consensus that BE are a bunch of cloaking fa**ots |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar The Movement
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:51:00 -
[116]
Must say, I have no understanding for this post at all. I have never seen you in space what so ever, I¦ve only seen your smack against Eddz or other corps. You post we so good posts all the time, showing how many kills and we so great etc etc. I must say, I respect people who do stuff without yellin out every thing they do, but you seems to have a buttload off attention need. Can it be so, that most people ignoring you? I dont know And what is so revo with your tactics? Myself, must say I¦m kinda crap at this game, dont read manuals, lookin for hax or what so ever, but even I know those stuff. Oh well, as long as you have fun I guess.......
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:59:00 -
[117]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD.
Since when did CCP throw players to the wolves?? Me thinks there is a reason he doesnt want some of these blokes to see his epeen show. |
TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:04:00 -
[118]
o7 BE keep on truckin! |
Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:05:00 -
[119]
The only "debate" is over why you're so needy that you seek validation on an internet spaceships forum. |
Martin Mckenna
D00M. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:25:00 -
[120]
For once can you guys go 5 min without creating a post about yourself or your corp. |
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Saint Shadow
Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:46:00 -
[121]
tbh I thought BE was cool till this thread. __________________ 0.0 bound... |
Saint Shadow
Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:48:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Saint Shadow on 30/06/2008 18:47:52 oops __________________ 0.0 bound... |
Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:49:00 -
[123]
I have never seen even bob or the MC start so many "look at me, look at me" threads as brun Eden do
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.06.30 19:20:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Starfall Hammer I have never seen even bob or the MC start so many "look at me, look at me" threads as brun Eden do
Welcome to the fanboy club, your news letter will be sent out first of each month.
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 19:36:00 -
[125]
BE tactics are somewhat contriversial but still very effective. They no doubt are good at what they do. THey are also hella-lame.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.30 19:50:00 -
[126]
be one of the most frustrating corps to fight not because they fight dirty or wrong its because they adapt to the fight and win even with low numbers.
gankers you might say but i say they play the way they want and have fun total respect to be tribute was always fun when you guys were around.
you always fight that more that can be said for many corps or alliances.
never change
b.j |
Volar Kang
Gallente Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.30 20:01:00 -
[127]
Lots of respect for these guys, you dont want them in your home systems. Some of the best small gang tactics you will ever see.
I always look forward to BE posting on coad and I always smile when I know BE is conducting operations in someone elses space |
Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.30 21:04:00 -
[128]
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Starfall Hammer I have never seen even bob or the MC start so many "look at me, look at me" threads as brun Eden do
Welcome to the fanboy club, your news letter will be sent out first of each month.
What an original come back, what's next? a reference to tin foil hats? or perhaps a suggestion that you must have ganked my hauler one time and so now I have some deep seated e-rage against BE?
Sorry, I just find your constant attention seeking a bit but hey, I bumped your thread again so really you should be thanking me.
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Zorda
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Posted - 2008.06.30 21:15:00 -
[129]
Burn who?
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kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.30 21:21:00 -
[130]
BE is in my opinion the most accomplished Guerilla style pvp corporation in eve today, the only way a tactic could ever be lame to me is if its utalizing some major design flaw like the rather hefty lag, and even then it's a completely viable strategy.
The way I see it BE has objectives set for them, and they achieve these objectives, they don't whine about the state of the game, they adapt and overcome.
That is why BE, in my opinion will always remain a great pvp corp.
As for the people in BE I can't say I know them well nor can I say it matters, they're good pvp'ers.
Methods of Torture - Latrocinium |
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hope3434
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:09:00 -
[131]
Burn Edens tactics are just a glorified gate camp. Any gank squad camping a gate with a scout can get their numbers. Just warp to a ss if anything that may kill you comes though the gate.
Please zip it up and put it away. Your yearning for attention is sad.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr coracao ardente The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:12:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Reverand Pastor
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD.
Since when did CCP throw players to the wolves??
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Shad0w Hawk
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:16:00 -
[133]
Rarely have I seen so many forum alts in one thread, crying _this_ much... |
ZENZATION
MeMento.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:21:00 -
[134]
So what exactly is the debate? You're good at cloaking, i dont think anyone disputed that... |
alden good
Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:31:00 -
[135]
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
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kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:37:00 -
[136]
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel |
alden good
Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:54:00 -
[137]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there |
kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.30 23:08:00 -
[138]
A pilot with half a clue will smell whats up when he's lighting up yellow to the entire enemy fleet all of a sudden, you don't need ts to warp out when you're primary :)
Methods of Torture - Latrocinium |
hope3434
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.30 23:41:00 -
[139]
Originally by: kublai A pilot with half a clue will smell whats up when he's lighting up yellow to the entire enemy fleet all of a sudden, you don't need ts to warp out when you're primary :)
Nice reading comprehension |
alden good
Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 23:44:00 -
[140]
they know before anyone begins to target them....... |
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Jessica Watia
noQuarter.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:47:00 -
[141]
Look at all this hate. Just awsome.
<3 Burn Eden.
When will you guys start to give out classes like some other corporations do? ;(
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Pastorale
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:50:00 -
[142]
BE may be very efficient and good at what they do, but its hardly PvP. Yes, anyone could sit cloaked on a gate for a week, with an alt scout/tackler in each adjacent system, and kill unsuspecting battleship and hauler pilots traveling alone. It's good tactics for making ISK and nice KB stats, but its not PvP.
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Jessica Watia
noQuarter.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:55:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Pastorale BE may be very efficient and good at what they do, but its hardly PvP. Yes, anyone could sit cloaked on a gate for a week, with an alt scout/tackler in each adjacent system, and kill unsuspecting battleship and hauler pilots traveling alone. It's good tactics for making ISK and nice KB stats, but its not PvP.
Ofcourse not and blobbing, doomsdaying, capital dropping every Ibis that may be tanked is.
But then its ofcourse just fighting with what you got ;x
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Pastorale
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:59:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Jessica Watia
Ofcourse not and blobbing, doomsdaying, capital dropping every Ibis that may be tanked is.
correct
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.01 01:02:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Pastorale BE may be very efficient and good at what they do, but its hardly PvP. Yes, anyone could sit cloaked on a gate for a week, with an alt scout/tackler in each adjacent system, and kill unsuspecting battleship and hauler pilots traveling alone. It's good tactics for making ISK and nice KB stats, but its not PvP.
If it's stupid but works, then it's not stupid. Perhaps FIX could teach BE how to PVP? -clp
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Severe Admin
Blind Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.01 01:16:00 -
[146]
Originally by: NoobMan Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL:
10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN!
And the number one reason:
1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL!
THIS POST sums be up nicely |
kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.07.01 01:51:00 -
[147]
Originally by: alden good they know before anyone begins to target them.......
So you're telling me that BE actually implants a bug INSIDE the fc's brain?
Because it strikes me that, the BE pilot who is primary would have the -exact- same warning as the pilotes locking him up, and unless he somehow gets the word -before- the pilotes (or the pilotes are so horrible they need a few minutes to lock the primary) he will have the same use for ts espionage as he would for the bloody overview.
Not to mention, if he IS using ts espionage to warp out you need to have a serious talk to your pilotes, because if after the FC has announced the target, he has managed to warp out -before- the buggers even target him, they need to seriously re-evaluate their overview settings and various.
That said, espionage does rock and it's your own damn fault if its used against you for having non-existant internal security, just pointing out, it's no bloody excuse. |
SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 03:16:00 -
[148]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good they know before anyone begins to target them.......
So you're telling me that BE actually implants a bug INSIDE the fc's brain?
Because it strikes me that, the BE pilot who is primary would have the -exact- same warning as the pilotes locking him up, and unless he somehow gets the word -before- the pilotes (or the pilotes are so horrible they need a few minutes to lock the primary) he will have the same use for ts espionage as he would for the bloody overview.
Not to mention, if he IS using ts espionage to warp out you need to have a serious talk to your pilotes, because if after the FC has announced the target, he has managed to warp out -before- the buggers even target him, they need to seriously re-evaluate their overview settings and various.
That said, espionage does rock and it's your own damn fault if its used against you for having non-existant internal security, just pointing out, it's no bloody excuse.
Like I told these guys before, majority of the time our "spy" was not even around, the only intel we had was good old cov ops and our scanner.
We NEVER warped out before they landed on top of us even if we knew they were coming, they and most other people in this game cant grasp the possibility of actually using the tools CCP gave them. Fact is we knew exactly when their blob was aligning, warping, getting on the jump portal, activating the jump portal, etc, etc. The teamspeak stuff is just another entertainment tool, we love to sit around the camp fire and listen to our enemies plan our demise.
These type of excuses are just that, an excuse. They need to justify to them selves that the reason we were able to do what we did is because of our spies. After all what else can it be? I mean how else can the mighty Hydra war machine be beaten?
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 03:32:00 -
[149]
You can tell the grief you have caused, and continue to by the torment and choirs of denial presented by those you have slain.
Hats off BE, while I never liked forum posturing. It's only really annoying when it's posturing about things that aren't true.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 03:53:00 -
[150]
So this did finally make its way to CAOD.... lmao!
Anyways to the larger and more important alliances welcome to our discussion. Its always fun to have you around 8). To the angry alts I am sorry you can no longer post in this thread, your relies have made it worth while. So much hate, so little time lol.
Well if you read the original post, and if any of you ever wanted to know why we do it the way we do, there you go. Enjoy, because the replies have been quite enjoyable to read.
Oh and to the your TS spy is intel and you cheat..... I have only this to say. If you are trying to call targets, call tackling, and aligning positions, and dampening targets, and jamming targets, ect. Can you really afford to have someone else speaking over yourselves? i dont think so, so the arguement of us listening to ts spy while engaging is superhuman, of course we are superhero's .... so maybe it is possible *P
WildCat
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.01 04:45:00 -
[151]
The OP sounds like a chump, I hope pookie puts his head to the grindstone before the day is out :V
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Torso Errata
Minmatar The Graduates
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Posted - 2008.07.01 06:06:00 -
[152]
However they are aware of it, Burn Eden has a useful function. Burn Eden pilots selflessly sacrifice their free time to teach 0.0 sovereign EVE to pay attention to their intel channels. This is a commitment that I understand, yet find a bit incomprehensible given how many RL issues could benefit from their dedication and intelligence.
A novice to 0.0 gang/fleet warfare could learn much about the game from visiting the bottleneck systems BE chooses, and watching them. Their allignments, their speeds, their choice of targeting or frend-or-foe loadouts. They have a system that works. So long as they play to their system's advantages, and don't engage forces with equal preparation (bookmarks and light interdictors, particularly) they will reap far more than they lose.
Now that Burn Eden has opened their tactics to discussion, I believe we are all entitled to discuss countermeasures.
The MM countermeasure is, I believe, ideal for a cap-heavy alliance. Burn Eden, accordingly, has chosen as targets alliances either light on caps or reluctant to employ them accordingly. For smaller or younger alliances, I believe a zerg swarm of many T1 tacklers, a couple light dictors, and standard sniper BS is a viable countertactic, but I lacked the seniority to effectively suggest this when BE last visited my alliance.
Ultimately, given the current rules on cloaking on non-cloaking bonused ships, BE will continue to beat up 0.0 alliances with younger players. If we are to view cloaking as analogous to submarines in naval warfare, rangers/gurkhas/speznaz in land warfare, or stealth bombers in air warfare, there needs to be analogous countermeasures. To date, countermeasures are paltry and underpowered compared to the analogs on our planet. |
Severe Admin
Blind Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.01 06:16:00 -
[153]
step 1: DD them step 2: see step 1 step 3: see step 1 step 4: watch them leave/find new system.
rinse and repeat. |
Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 06:57:00 -
[154]
yawn |
Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 07:03:00 -
[155]
Ok, I was in no mood to read all the responses to the OP, but I would like to just comment on the OP.
Why do we all play EVE, and like to play it so much? Because the game has so many different playing ways, everyone can find their own way.
If someone is good in the tactics BE is having, they will do it like they, if someone does not like to PvP all the time, they will do something else, mine or research or mission.
For any aspect of the gameplay I stated above you don't have to excuse yourself. You just play it.
Ok, BE are good in PvP. It's all they do in EVE. They don't own any systems, they don't have to manage any POS'es neither they will ever do that. Some people just love to see the color of their alliance on EVE strategic map appear and it is their goal in game.
So if BE is good in PvP, and they smack about it all around, they suck in POS or sov warfare and they just can't do that part of EVE gameplay and will never be able to do it.
So, PvP does not make them the best EVE players. It is just a small portion of EVE they can do. The rest, the major part of EVE, they don't know to play and don't care to know. |
King Fury
Caldari Fury Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 07:15:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 26/06/2008 02:27:35
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
If you don't hold and defend territory of your own, thats not a meaningful accomplishment.
Having said that, you are indeed a very successful roaming gang group, and very skilled at what you do, but you can't really compare your effectiveness to the major alliances unless you too hold and fight for your territory, at least not by such simple stats.
I realize that given your size, thats not really a wise or realistic option, but its still a valid point.
But there are options that would allow a direct comparison......
As you are a roaming gang group, if you really want to compare your self against the territory holding alliances, seek out THEIR roaming combat gangs, and engage them. This in no way suggests that you need to give up your other gankage, as its all part of the game, but such "roaming combat gang" vs "roaming combat gang" combat would allow better comparison. And I suspect you'd still do well at it.
Says the alliance that lost all there territory and now live in an NPC region
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Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 07:16:00 -
[157]
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there
A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 07:52:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 01/07/2008 07:53:30
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there
A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
Enemy ts is set low so that when the fighting starts we can easily communicate over it (thus losing the ts feed). The targets we primary are called for a number of reasons, often not because he is the fc but because they are the highest threat to our gang (I wont go into details for obvious reasons)
As for Wildcat...... I believe in freedom of speech, I believe Wild has the right to post in any colour he wants and say whatever he wants....... Every time I read one of Wildcat's threads I re-evaluate my thoughts on this topic......
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 08:08:00 -
[159]
*me waves to BURN EDEN*
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FellRaven
Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Originally by: Snapp
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Just to clear this up, this incident happen in IMK on January 25, 2007. It involved 20 Shiva pilots, with 6 carriers, and possible 1 mothership,(although he doesnt show up on the killmails). We used 3 cov ops constantly scanning 10 to 15 seconds apart to try to catch Meanstreak or one of the others that you were using the speed/warp to trick at your SS's. Tactic was to use fast lockers to get fighters on the primary constantly until it died. We killed Evil first, then Arnold. DHB got it the next day.
So no this was not a blob. It was just a tactic we figured out that would be useful against your tactics at the time. The key was the 3 cov ops constantly probing at 15 second intervals so we could constantly catch your warping gang and get fighters on the primary. Adapt and overcome.
Funny to see this incident changed your tactics.
I didnt want to mention the #'s before, think at the time there was maybe 60 online in alliance chat so 80 was a stretch heh.
You are right, exact numbers are hard to recall. To the point.
At one time local was over 100. Every 15 seconds my overview was filled with hostiles. There were more fighters than hostiles 8) We kept it up for several hours, until Arnold said, enough was enough he had to get some sleep.
Anyways we use our tactics because of Morsus Mihi's tactics, and even more of note, CVA's ability to scan you down in a matter of 8 seconds, I **** you not!
WildCat
Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage.
Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber.
Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
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Merrick Tolkien
Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 09:04:00 -
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kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.07.01 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there
A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait...are you telling me you dip****s dont even KNOW who your enemies FC's are when you fight?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, that's just pathetic, you don't even need a TS spy to figure out who is the FC of an entity if you have half a days warning before you go to fight them, and a TS spy takes more than half a day.
It's funny how in every single game i've ever played, **** players whine about espionage to make up for their own lack of creativity or play lazy gaming style.
Sorry love, point and click warfare is over there *points to blizzard HQ*
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Dragonzchilde
Minmatar Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.07.01 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: FellRaven Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage.
Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber.
Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
I don't see how picking your fights is considerd *** or whatever. At least BE isn't as stupid as most blobbers that go in a fight knowing they'll lose their ship. Be is a well oiled machine in which each member knows what is expected of him/ her and knows he'll have a corp/ gang mmeber there to back him/ her up when troubles arise.
Unlike those so called pvp blobfest BE fights with brains and with "the good of the corp" in mind. First they get the job done, than they'll grab the reward. Most corps/ alliances start looting/ salvaging when a fight is still going and wonder how on eart it is possible they have all those losses.
A 10 man BE gang (that include alt for the nubs that just don't seem to get it) is more lethal than the 70 man blob you throw at them. To start with they fight to win, second they fight as one and they go for the corp honour instead of the individual cheastbeating.
IMO picking of the weaker targets first is the smartest thing to do. 1) reduces lags, 2) kills morale 3) enables more agressive tactics to be used later on in the engagement.
Originally by: FellRaven Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
then why do you still fall for it. me checks TOS killboard and counts over 100 hydra losses and only 5 TOS losses
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.07.01 10:53:00 -
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Errrm? Another useless COAD post?
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.01 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there
A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait...are you telling me you dip****s dont even KNOW who your enemies FC's are when you fight?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, that's just pathetic, you don't even need a TS spy to figure out who is the FC of an entity if you have half a days warning before you go to fight them, and a TS spy takes more than half a day.
It's funny how in every single game i've ever played, **** players whine about espionage to make up for their own lack of creativity or play lazy gaming style.
Sorry love, point and click warfare is over there *points to blizzard HQ*
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Pawnee
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.01 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Pawnee on 01/07/2008 11:32:58 test123
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Pookie Edited by: Evil Pookie on 01/07/2008 07:53:30
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: alden good
Originally by: DHB WildCat
-We do have spies in most alliances HOWEVER we do not use them for an advantage. We use them for forum access. We like to read what others have to say about us.... it keeps us entertained to watch their frustration.
you have a direct link from your enemies TS to yours so that you can hear everything they plan to do.....so yes you do use spys for your advantage.
fyi jaiden darkspawn (alt of kaykun) in BE known spy
Oh pish posh, art of war does the same and let me assure you, hearing the enemy fc shout LOG OFF LOG OFF NOW! is entertainment, not intel
more along the lines that we would call a primary and that guy would warp out before we could get there
A gang is formed to hunt BE. FC's are assigned, primary, secondary, tertiary. Finaly we catch them and start fighting. Our primary FC get locked and downed first. Then the second FC next, then the terciary. NO, BE DOES NOT USE THEIR TS SPIES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!
Enemy ts is set low so that when the fighting starts we can easily communicate over it (thus losing the ts feed). The targets we primary are called for a number of reasons, often not because he is the fc but because they are the highest threat to our gang (I wont go into details for obvious reasons)
As for Wildcat...... I believe in freedom of speech, I believe Wild has the right to post in any colour he wants and say whatever he wants....... Every time I read one of Wildcat's threads I re-evaluate my thoughts on this topic......
You look cooler in pink...
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Wally IV
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:01:00 -
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Burn Eden - I have a question for you.
Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly?
In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they?
For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight?
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EquitaS
Gallente Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: EquitaS on 01/07/2008 16:10:49 Burn eden are very good at what they do, and if you think their tactics are lame then look at yourself. You see, I for example think bringing 30 ppl to fight 5 is lame, it just depends how you look on it.
If you are a small corp you can either nano around in hacs or do the BE thing, and when someone is really good at it the big alliances that cant counter it always start to scream noobs/fags/loosers/no balls etc etc.
They take on gangs/fleets much larger then their own, mad props for that.
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Kashinator
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:13:00 -
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I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly.
Fun stuff.....
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Tio 10
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly.
Fun stuff.....
So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know.
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Kashinator
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: EquitaS Edited by: EquitaS on 01/07/2008 16:10:49 Burn eden are very good at what they do, and if you think their tactics are lame then look at yourself. You see, I for example think bringing 30 ppl to fight 5 is lame, it just depends how you look on it.
If you are a small corp you can either nano around in hacs or do the BE thing, and when someone is really good at it the big alliances that cant counter it always start to scream noobs/fags/loosers/no balls etc etc.
They take on gangs/fleets much larger then their own, mad props for that.
Is bringing 30 people to fight 5 more lame than bringing 5 people to a station, cloaking at optimals and randomly popping everyone that undocks and then podding them as well? I mean, if your gonna criticize tactics, it goes both ways.
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Kashinator
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tio 10
Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly.
Fun stuff.....
So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know.
The particular instance I was referring to was quite a few more than 5. Yes, when we had a cov ops mention that he had a raven out in a safe spot 10 off, that ship would warp away and/or cloak before any of Hydra moved. When TS intel was silenced, andy started losing ravens LOL
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:38:00 -
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lol Hydra.
Dang those BE dudes, using meta-gaming, espionage, and whatever works to win a fight. No e-honour tbh! You'd think that they would fit close-range battleships and fight the Hydra blob toe-to-toe, in a very manly fashion. How dare they not fight on your terms!
Honestly, the thing that inspires more respect in me than anything else BE has done... is spying on Hydra vent. I mean, ****. I wouldn't sit in their vent for 5 minutes if you PAID me. Sitting in Hydra vent for hours, though, that's some serious intestinal fortitude & dedication right there. Madprops o7
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Randel Forneth
Caldari Royal Enterprise Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:38:00 -
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Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings.
Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please?
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kashinator
Originally by: Tio 10
Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly.
Fun stuff.....
So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know.
The particular instance I was referring to was quite a few more than 5. Yes, when we had a cov ops mention that he had a raven out in a safe spot 10 off, that ship would warp away and/or cloak before any of Hydra moved. When TS intel was silenced, andy started losing ravens LOL
Trust me, Andy is just as capable of losing ravens with enemy ts feeds as without.....
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Randel Forneth Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings.
Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please?
*cough* killboards *cough*
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Debian Linux
Caldari War Dawgs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Randel Forneth Ya know all i want is some of your guy's Raven fittings.
Maybe you could drop me a couple BE style raven PvP fittings....pretty please?
[Raven, 38724] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Medium Armor Repairer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Improved Cloaking Device II
Warhead Flare Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Vespa EC-600 x1 Vespa EC-600 x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1 Warrior II x1
I'll give them this, quite creative fitting for a raven and it seems to work most of the time with the right ship mixture in the gang.
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Ricco Lonestar
Minmatar xtort
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:48:00 -
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LTS -
Why do we use out of corp alts as tacklers? Some believe this is done to reduce losses on our killboard to make ourselves look better. This is a stupid answer since we include ALL of our losses in and out of corp in our final reports. We use out of corp alts because of one simple fact. When someone enters local and sees Burn Eden there they will run, dock, or hide. However if you see a noob corp player then you are more likely to ignore them and move on, right into our camp. That is the simple truth.
You forgot to mention: "They scream Burn Eden local"
My 2 cents
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:54:00 -
[180]
Remember boys, no publicity is bad publicity.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD?
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Wally IV
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wally IV Burn Eden - I have a question for you.
Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly?
In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they?
For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight?
No answer?
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tio 10
Originally by: Kashinator I actually found it quite amusing that whatever was said in TS by Hydra FC was responded to in local by BE. Also, as far as the not using their TS spy, when a target was so much as mentioned on TS, that particular target would either warp away or cloak almost instantly.
Fun stuff.....
So basicly if you were fighting a 5 man BE gang you just had to call 2 of em primary/2ndary and half their gang would warp away, C/D? And yet you still couldnt beat them? Somehow i doubt they warped away as soon as you called em primary, coz doing so wouldnt score any kills. I THINK they warped away when they noticed your whole fleet had em locked and shooting em... But then again, Im not in hydra so i dont know.
This is Hydra we're talking about. There's no way a BE pilot would ever see the entire hydra fleet lock the primary... because, in general, past the first target called Hydra appears incapable of following the FC's orders and switching targets. By midway through any fight Hydra is firing at half the enemy fleet rather than sticking to their primaries. Been that way since I was in Hydra (Hi guys) and they still do it today (which really irks me... you'd think they'd have learned by now).
Not saying all their pilots do this... but in any given fleet engagement enough of them do this that they dilute their firepower to the point of insignificance... which is why they take so many losses even when they outnumber their opponents.
That said I do have more respect for Hydra than many other 0.0 alliances.... At least Hydra will come out and fight even when they suspect/know they're gonna lose a crapload of ships doing it.
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Tauly Venn
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD?
http://udie.griefwatch.net/
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/07/2008 18:34:21
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: DHB WildCat -Hold a positive K/D ratio against EVERY major alliance in this game!
I am not finding your killboard listed. Is it under a different name or do you not want it listed in COAD?
It's a griefwatch board nm someone already posted it.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wally IV Burn Eden - I have a question for you.
Are your tactics universally successful or are there any alliances that make life so difficult that you choose to move on reasoanbly quickly?
In other words have any alliances been able to develop reasonably effective anti-BE tactics and if so who were they?
For example I heard that -A- were Doomsdaying your cloakers last time you were in HED-GP for instance? Are there any others who are a pain in the arse to fight?
We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does.
In the past it is generally a welcome sight to see capable people coming in to fight us, they usually believe the forum dribble about us just running away when a good gang shows up and they will come in like lemmings and die by the dozens.
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DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does.
This is funny. Sounds like what your opponents say about your tactics. Thanks for the compliment. -------------------------------------------------
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 19:16:00 -
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I've always wondered, I've done the cloak in a gateway system too. Mabye it's just because my timezone sucks for constant stuff to kill. Anyways, what I don't get is how you can stand sitting at your computers for long strecthes of time between killing stuff, when people aren't actually coming into the system your currently camping. Part of your effectiveness is that you seem to come alive always at the right time, that requires you to be staring at the screen or something. I just wanna know how long you guys actually spend attentive to Eve during a day, and how you stop from being so bored during slow days that you can keep doing what you do all the time.
I just can't stand not moving around space that long. Mabye it's because you guys all are triple boxing and running a movie on another computer while you play, however for those of us that don't have that capability trying to emulate your system camps makes us log off after a bit out of sheer boredom.
So enlighten me.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.01 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio I've always wondered, I've done the cloak in a gateway system too. Mabye it's just because my timezone sucks for constant stuff to kill. Anyways, what I don't get is how you can stand sitting at your computers for long strecthes of time between killing stuff, when people aren't actually coming into the system your currently camping. Part of your effectiveness is that you seem to come alive always at the right time, that requires you to be staring at the screen or something. I just wanna know how long you guys actually spend attentive to Eve during a day, and how you stop from being so bored during slow days that you can keep doing what you do all the time.
I just can't stand not moving around space that long. Mabye it's because you guys all are triple boxing and running a movie on another computer while you play, however for those of us that don't have that capability trying to emulate your system camps makes us log off after a bit out of sheer boredom.
So enlighten me.
I cant and wont go into details of how and what we do. What I can say is that we get a lot more action doing what we do than anyone else does. Remember we have alts in almost every major alliance in this game, and we know just what a good day of pvp is considered.
For instance in AAA you can join an opp fly around for 50 or so jumps in a 30 man gang and kill 3 targets. Several hours later come home only to find out that one of your titan pilots killed the only hope of pvp that you could have had that day. Sounds like fun huh?
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 20:14:00 -
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I'm not arguing the merits of your pvp. My type of pvp involves both the roaming gank style you guys would enjoy (albeit less system camping) and as well as multiple MS killing we enjoyed a few days ago. Do I consider myself as good at BE style gate camps? Nope. But I recognize the stuff that goes into it and I can make a pretty decent one with a few of my corpmates.
I just have found that whenever I sit down and attempt to do what you guys do, I'm probably missing a lot of the necessary stuff you have that keeps it from being a complete bore... IE alts to tell me where stuff is, as well as enough computer capability to control 3 accounts + watch a movie or something in the background, that I'd find personally necessary to be at ease sitting in few 0.0 systems all day with such a low amount of people in my gang.
I have a lot of respect that you guys can stick to your pvp as you seem to have perfected all the necessary tools to execute it.
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FellRaven
Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonzchilde
Originally by: FellRaven Seems to me the MM tactics required more skill than yours do now. Not sure why you started this thread as you are never going to convince people that you are Uber PvPers as long as you hide behind a cloak for 22hrs a day only coming out when you have a clear advantage.
Yes that is undoubtably a good tactic and I'm not taking anything away from you but it isn't really any different from Can baiting in a Noob system in a stealth bomber.
Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
I don't see how picking your fights is considerd *** or whatever. At least BE isn't as stupid as most blobbers that go in a fight knowing they'll lose their ship. Be is a well oiled machine in which each member knows what is expected of him/ her and knows he'll have a corp/ gang mmeber there to back him/ her up when troubles arise.
Unlike those so called pvp blobfest BE fights with brains and with "the good of the corp" in mind. First they get the job done, than they'll grab the reward. Most corps/ alliances start looting/ salvaging when a fight is still going and wonder how on eart it is possible they have all those losses.
A 10 man BE gang (that include alt for the nubs that just don't seem to get it) is more lethal than the 70 man blob you throw at them. To start with they fight to win, second they fight as one and they go for the corp honour instead of the individual cheastbeating.
IMO picking of the weaker targets first is the smartest thing to do. 1) reduces lags, 2) kills morale 3) enables more agressive tactics to be used later on in the engagement.
Originally by: FellRaven Oh by the way the Alts thing everyone nows the neuts are your alts so why aren't they in BE your arguement makes no sense.
then why do you still fall for it. me checks TOS killboard and counts over 100 hydra losses and only 5 TOS losses
I stick by what I said MM tactics against BE were more skillful than BE. Look I didn't start this thread trying to convince the whole of eve that I'm so l33t. I've accepted their tactics are very effective. But as virtually everyone has pointed out BE only every engage when they have a huge advantage, you know when they are the blob.
Wonder what they'll do when they can't cloak those Ravens for ever.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.01 22:51:00 -
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BE is the best at what they do.
Whether you like their tactics or (most likely) not, you have to admit they are effective.
But not perfect.
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Heinky
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.01 23:32:00 -
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I can see why Wild made this thread. Alot of times when i was in BE i wanted to try to explain to people how wrong they were, when they were smacking be threads with bull**** they know nothing about.
Nice try Wild but people are always gona be on one side or the other about what they think of Burn eden as u can see in this thread :), Tho in the spirit of the thread i will try to explain my side of the things wild talked about in a short version.
The cloak:
Pretty much what Wild said, what heppened in MM space and the uber covert ops scan times, pretty much called for cloaks. I hate using the ******* cloak, flying amarr bs,s alot for the time, teh scan time and cloaking timer penalties are a pain in the ass. But its still better then getting a new bs from empire every other day coz your scanned down or locked in a system aggressed and cant go afk.
Burn eden never fight outnumberd:
This is bull****, we all know it and everyone thats says otherwise is either a very bitter person that got killed by BE or just doesnt know what he is talking about. Ive fought multible fights where burn eden are outnumberd by so much every other group in the game would run away and hide. Nuff said.
Burn eden only fight when they have the advantage:
I have to agree here, thats true. Because......... Burn edens skills and tactics are the advantage wich they have over everyone else in this game. So when they fight, it doesnt matter if its a gank or beeing way outnumbered they have the advantage.
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Dwain Hicks
Monks of War
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Posted - 2008.07.02 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dwain Hicks on 02/07/2008 00:19:49
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
For instance in AAA you can join an opp fly around for 50 or so jumps in a 30 man gang and kill 3 targets. Several hours later come home only to find out that one of your titan pilots killed the only hope of pvp that you could have had that day. Sounds like fun huh?
Maybe you need to check AAA killboard more often? With purpose not to post nonsense on CAOD?
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.02 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: SATAN
We have yet to run across an alliance that is not susceptible to what we do. There are alliances like AAA/RA/MM that have forgotten how to pvp and all they can do is DD their enemies no matter how small, but even that really does not bother us. If we are doing everything right we should know the DD is coming before the the enemy does.
This is funny. Sounds like what your opponents say about your tactics. Thanks for the compliment.
hehe, as for -A-, as long as my little brother is a major figure there, -A- will be reasonably safe from us. We may visit from time to time, but just to say hi, and be on our way for a week or so. Most of -A- realize this and we have fun bantering each other. However sometimes Thug's sense of humor is lacking, and Count Vonzarovick or whatever his name is, just likes his Titan, and will drop it in HED-GP 5-6 times a night for us.
Oh and yes he does kill our new guys alts quite regularly, but they will learn with time that you DO NOT CLOAK ON THE GATE! 8)
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SlowMovingFisherman
Minmatar I Eatz Ur Baconz
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:43:00 -
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Thank you BE, for killing off the n00bs and ******s who don't look at local, don't look at alliance, and don't read mail.
Darwinism at its finest.
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Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.02 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman Thank you BE, for killing off the n00bs and ******s who don't look at local, don't look at alliance, and don't read mail.
Darwinism at its finest.
^^ This... This is the only good thing BE brings to the game, they make people realise (hopefully) that they have to use every inteligence they can get when moving through 0.0. If they don't do it, they're dead.
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FellRaven
Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.02 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: FellRaven on 02/07/2008 08:03:53 Edited by: FellRaven on 02/07/2008 08:01:19
Originally by: Heinky The cloak:
Pretty much what Wild said, what heppened in MM space and the uber covert ops scan times, pretty much called for cloaks. I hate using the ******* cloak, flying amarr bs,s alot for the time, teh scan time and cloaking timer penalties are a pain in the ass. But its still better then getting a new bs from empire every other day coz your scanned down or locked in a system aggressed and cant go afk.
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Burn eden only fight when they have the advantage:
I have to agree here, thats true. Because......... Burn edens skills and tactics are the advantage wich they have over everyone else in this game. So when they fight, it doesnt matter if its a gank or beeing way outnumbered they have the advantage.
But if you read the MM reply on the cloaking justification you will see that there was no Uber scanning time it was just very good teamwork on their part.
Lets look at the Forums and see what balance issues people are complaining about most:
1. Cloaks particularly on none cloaking ships and the lack of a counter. 2. Falcons being able to jam anything and everything even CAP ships with ECCM fitted. 3. Extreme Nanoing (Your 17km/s Claymore and your 10km/s Hyenas)
So you tick all the boxes of what people think is wrong with the game mechanics. In addition you still seem to need TS spys to make all this work.
As many have said can't fault the tactics but it won't get you much respect. particularly when you call any effective defense against you a lame tactic or exploit.
MM had uber scanners, dropped caps on us, blobbed us - reads beat us fair and square. AAA are lame they DD small gangs - Reads used the only game mechanic available to deal with AFK Cloakers. People ran away and docked up we're so uber - reads they got smart and wouldn't let us play on our terms.
Anyway you're free to play the game the way you go, which means others are free to play they way they do stop moaning all the time.
ps. Heinky is one of the alts.
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Sconitta
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.02 08:07:00 -
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blessa=ur heinky vo=alega vµlir f=lk ß forums :D
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KOTH Fluf
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.02 08:17:00 -
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Bottom line is Satan, DHB, Evil and the boys are very good at what they do. Oh and miss yeah Heinky. Ive been fighting them since 2004 and they have always adapted to all the changes the game has thrown at them. You have to give them respect for that alone.
Although I dont think I would ever like the type of game they play, I have used thier tactics and even have a BE Raven setup somewhere in one of my hangars. They are always frustrating to fight, but very challenging and devising tactics to defeat them makes the game more fun.
They might not be a space holding alliance or even do that much to effect the whole of Eve and its poltics. But when they come to your space, they can be a real pain. And as long as they are having fun, I guess thats what counts. If MM gets to frustrated, we just bring out the caps or DD them!
Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Carin K
Minmatar Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.02 09:06:00 -
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Isn't Wildcat the only Burn Eden player? The rest are his alts c/d?
<3 to SMACK
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Trind2222
Amarr Soliders Of Eve Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.02 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Severe Admin
Originally by: NoobMan Top Ten Reasons Burn Eden are NOT COOL:
10. WE CLOAK SO WE WIN 9. WE CLOAK SO THAT THE RESPONSE TEAM CAN'T GET TO US, THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND NONATTENTIVE PILOTS COME THROUGH WE CLAIM VICTORY. 8. HAULERS AND RATTERS ARE REAL PVPERS AND SHOW OUR TRUE PVP STRENGTH. 7. OMG ANOTHER SUCCESFUL CAMPAIGN, WE CAN'T LOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE TO DEFEND. 6. PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE ARE SO GOOD! 5. OUR LOSSES ARE ALL DUE TO ALCOHOL! 4. OUR KILLS SHOW THAT EVERYONE SUCKS, EXCEPT US! 3. OUR CORPORATION IS FULL OF 1337 WHO MAKE BILLIONS KILLING YOU! 2. THIS POST IS PROOF WE WIN!
And the number one reason:
1. WE POSTED IN GENERAL DISCUSSION TO GET MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE NO ONE IN CAOD TAKES US SERIOUSLY ANYMORE BUT THE NUBBITS MIGHT THINK WE ARE SO COOL!
THIS POST sums be up nicely
Love trolls here 0.0 noobs.
You don't use alt's you die.
go BE you doing quite nicely.
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Lunarra
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lunarra on 02/07/2008 11:25:15 BE love metter before post: 8/10
Yes you guys get the kills, does it matter how? Not really. Indeed CCP tools are here to be used. Using spies. Well doesn't everyone do it? I have no doubt BE are good at killing stuff. Maybe biggest alliance forgot how to pvp with small groups since the flavour is more into blobs and DDs.
BE love metter after post(s): 5/10
Seriously no need to constantly brag about you kills. Your reputation is there, you are just soiling it from this point on.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra Using spies. Well doesn't everyone do it?
We dont. Using spies to 'win' in a meaningless videogame is pretty and BE claiming they dont use it for an advantage but just for lolz is pure crap.
Sad to see you using essentially the same tactic for 3 years now (tackle with fast/cloaking tackler, uncloak bs at range, shoot whilst aligned, warp out, cloak) but hey, whatever floats your boat.
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Fut'Tare
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Posted - 2008.07.02 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kaianna Sela Best PvP corp in eve tbh.
Yeah BE might consider camping some low-sec system next to noob spawn centres. More kills... that should make them even better pvp-ers, right?
Keep up the good work, oh mighty pvp-ers.
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Fut'Tare
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Posted - 2008.07.02 12:30:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Heinky
Burn eden never fight outnumberd:
This is bull****, we all know it and everyone thats says otherwise is either a very bitter person that got killed by BE or just doesnt know what he is talking about. Ive fought multible fights where burn eden are outnumberd by so much every other group in the game would run away and hide. Nuff said.
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Sith8
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:43:00 -
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Yea Satan, we DDed you like 5 times in HED because BE was utterly unable to uncloak for anything resembling a fight and to be perfectly honest we just dont have the patience to wait for you guys to uncloak.
What is surprizing is that you havent mentioned how well you guys fared in CVA space, where CVA actually gave you guys the time of day and decided to play.
Imagine if we or anyone else would suddenly decide that BE is significant enough to give more than 15 minutes of play time, you know these skills, rigs and implants required to scan your asses down is available to everyone.
<3
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Yersinia Pest1s
Caldari Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.07.02 15:00:00 -
[208]
Praise for a kick ass corp! Great guys, lots of fun to fly with. Loads of pain to fly against.
If you haven't had the pleasure of being podded by BE, you should (you will), and you should (will) do it soon.
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Flashh Gorden
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 15:49:00 -
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Try declaring a campain agaisnt individual corps and allainces instead of regions and dont include killing noobs all day on 00 entry gates and poeple will get a better idea of how good you guys are.
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killerco
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.02 15:57:00 -
[210]
BE is the best in what they do, good luck and perhaps see you soon
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sith8 Yea Satan, we DDed you like 5 times in HED because BE was utterly unable to uncloak for anything resembling a fight and to be perfectly honest we just dont have the patience to wait for you guys to uncloak.
What is surprizing is that you havent mentioned how well you guys fared in CVA space, where CVA actually gave you guys the time of day and decided to play.
Imagine if we or anyone else would suddenly decide that BE is significant enough to give more than 15 minutes of play time, you know these skills, rigs and implants required to scan your asses down is available to everyone.
<3
Cool, can I have my stab back
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Dirtball
PinK TacO Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 17:50:00 -
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I always liked burn eden.
Why bother to explain the tactics and modules you use, the more people smack you the more fun it is.
People that have never had a module activated on you complaining about your tactics on forums shuold give you a warm feeling.
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.02 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Sith8 Yea Satan, we DDed you like 5 times in HED because BE was utterly unable to uncloak for anything resembling a fight and to be perfectly honest we just dont have the patience to wait for you guys to uncloak.
What is surprizing is that you havent mentioned how well you guys fared in CVA space, where CVA actually gave you guys the time of day and decided to play.
Imagine if we or anyone else would suddenly decide that BE is significant enough to give more than 15 minutes of play time, you know these skills, rigs and implants required to scan your asses down is available to everyone.
<3
Cool, can I have my stab back
No NIMROD you can't! Remember you reprocessed them.
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