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Viella Andariel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:33:00 - [1] Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's not the provocation, I think devs very good knows about this situation, thats why we got FW ( IMHO nothing big ) and on each mmorpg site we can find EVE advertisements... I just dont wanna pay for game which will be ended after 6-12months ( or play with max. 15000 ppl online including 10000 alts and old allys who makes bilions ISK's in each hour ) Please don't write I can specialize in something in 6 months and be good as 4year character... it's true, but Im specialized in one thing he's specialized in 10 things and can do all of them alternately ). In few words, start for fresh pilots it's really hard and not fair and all know about it ( and please dont write about cheaper implants, ships then 3 years ago... it's completely another thing ). I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... When we get game with lag like in each other normal mmorpg ( 1sec usually it's much to much, but in EvE sometimes 10min and server crash it's normal ). Why something normal in other mmorpg like max 1 sec ping or normal control system ( like in space sims for EVE - and please don't hand me that story about fact that control system is perfect - it's exact by ubiquitous lag ) it's something impossible to do in EVE? I know you have prolly biggest server from mmorpg's but let's be honest - you can't contain on it. At the end... I like EVE online, really... that's why I'm writing this post despite my poor english... I want to know your plans, future of EVE because I don't like feelings Im playing in dying game and wasting my time and money. p.s. sorry for english and if you still think it's provocation please don't respond because I'm really serious.
Roshan longshot Ordos Humanitas Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:34:00 - [2] Five years, and I never seen a thread like this....ROFLMAO Damn you CCP! Why did you have to make such a good game?? Yes you drew me back AGAIN! Oh well wheres the Omber?
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:34:00 - [3] Yep EVE has died each year for the last 5 years.
Mallikanth Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:35:00 - [4] EVE is not dying in my opinion and I would hazard a guess in a fair few peoples opinion too.
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:36:00 - [5] Can I have your stuff? --- My invincible Ishtar not taking damage: >wrecking for 175.7 damage. >Thunderbolt Heavy Missile hits you, doing 21.2 damage. >doing 99.3 damage. >inflicting 63.5 damage. >doing 102.8 damage
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:37:00 - [6] I remember EVE dying back when I started playing in early 2006. But no-one's ever written a heartfelt post like yours. Ever. Never-ever-never. So when it does die, as you predict and have written on the forums (so it must inevitably come to pass), I'm sooooo going back to Earth & Beyond. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Nova Tiempo	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:37:00 - [7] I think I see what your getting at - but Im nigh on certain you are wrong, if not deliberatly. Anywho, I think your point about alts is mute, eve will only die off if - 1) CCP release "eve 2" or something, or - 2) It becomes unprofitable. Having alts paying isnt much different from annother player realistically, and I know new people are joining up all the time.
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:38:00 - [8] AGAIN!? (EVE has been dying for the last 5 years. Or so the omni-intelligent forums have me believe.) Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
General StarScream Empyrean Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:38:00 - [9] EvE will never die Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
van Uber Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Viella Andariel I want to know your plans, future of EVE Ambulation. EVE subscriptions might just as well explode when this is released.

Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:42:00 - [11] obvious troll is obvious
SA Nemesis	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:43:00 - [12] Edited by: SA Nemesis on 26/06/2008 11:43:35 i think the main problem is that eve is very expensive, the way i see it is that you can buy a game (uk) for say ú35 and play it forever where as i pay ú7.80 for (what used to be) 30days eve time code so in 4 and a half months i will have already paid for a pritty expensive game and in a year of gamin i will have paid over a hundred punds thats a lot of money for a game even the xbox live subscription for a year is somethin like 35 pounds and that lets you play a huge amount of games for a year and its also heaper that is the main problem, people just cannot afford this just to play a game when there are much cheaper alternatives, im not planning on leaving eve but i cant afford to play it EVERY month so i dont get a time code for EVERY month just when i want to play it , and i will leave a long skill training when im off( i believe that skills train when youre acount freezes but just the one you left on u cannot change it) so no im not gena leave eve at the moment but i can see why some are forced out, simple there are cheaper alternatives, eve isnt as yet "dieing" but it may come to that in the long run
Shgoratchx Shgoratchx Transorbital	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:44:00 - [13] Edited by: Shgoratchx on 26/06/2008 11:46:03 We get threads like this every summer. People look at a graph somewhere and see a dip in the numbers online over the summer months and think thats it, the games in decline. Then the autumn comes, and people start staying in-doors more, exams have finished, holidays are over etc etc, people re-subscribe, renew, etc and Eve goes on to break the new world record of online gamers again. Don't be suprised to see the record for simultaneous online gamers reach 50,000 by the end of this year.
Jodo Gundar	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Viella Andariel Bad English Stuffs The only thing that is dead is your English.
Pak Narhoo Pacific Starfleet Command	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:49:00 - [15] 1- the stats you are looking at, hope you didn't forget for half the world its summertime and peeps found something else to do.. (what I honestly donno), but around this time there is always a slight dip. 2- Your lag argument holds no barrel, since you compare EVE with other MMO's, which is like comparing apples to Brussels sprouts, they can be both green and thats it. 3- EVE exists now for 5 years and CCP released yet another free expansion, why would anyone put in time and money in a decaying corps? 4- what i really read out of your words is that you find it unfair (oh blimey) that when you start eve you can't do everything immediately, cause, it takes time to learn all_those_skills..... Maybe EVE is not for you then.... Originally by: Haakelen That is a terrible idea, you have no idea what you're talking about, please don't do it anymore.
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:51:00 - [16] Eve is dead, and you and I have killed it
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:51:00 - [17] Don't feed him. .
Slashamite	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:52:00 - [18] LONG LIVE TEH EEEEVEEEEEEEE!!11ONE!1!ELEVEN!!11221!!!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:53:00 - [19] tbh I wonder why eve.coldfront.net removed the "all time" graph again, it showed a clearly visibly decline for the recent months (unprecedented). How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Dmian Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:53:00 - [20] Well, when I started there was an average of 20K players simultaneously. Now it's something like 30-40K. So I don't see the decline. And FW is great, and will attract more players if handled right. And that if we don't take into account ambulation, as van Uber mentioned. So, for me, this is not a dead game at all. And when Eve dies, I'll die with Eve "when the end comes, you'll find me on my capsule" So do whatever you like. Go to WoW or AoC or whatever. I'll stay here for a long time. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here

Claypot Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:55:00 - [21] I am embarrassed for my community. You people respond to a potentially epic thread and the first response was neither a "FIRST" or "CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF" Your fired, get a life, everyone knows that there are only two expectable responses to the OP. Get with the program guys. inter web space ships is serious business folks. Stop fracking it up. And yes, I post on my main.
Huurtney Gurdsen	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:55:00 - [22] You are, as we say in the database industry 'talking a lot of b*llocks'. Eve dying. Well lets look at that statement in detail: 'Dying' presupposes a state of transition from life to death, terminating in the certainty that it will become dead. While in the very, very long term this is a certainty, ie: the world will blow up/get blown up/just end, the scope of your comment seems to be in the immediate future. Is this true? Er, no. Eve, dead? are you saying that there is a process by which the game will no longer be playable/played? What is this process? Because you see a small shrinkage in an absolute whopper of a customer base? I really hope no one ever gives you a job in marketing, your predictive skills are just ARSE.
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Xparky on 26/06/2008 11:58:06 Here's a theory. All these "quit the game because of GTCs prices/nanos/cloaks/game dying/disconnections/etc" threads are made by CCP employees hoping more people will quit or take breaks. Why the hell would they do that ? Well, ambulation will arrive probably at the end of this year and with it a big wave of new players the server can't handle. So basically they're making room for new players . I said theory .
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:58:00 - [24] To the OP. Please never post again. Thanks.
Frenetick	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:59:00 - [25] As a new citizen and someone who got sucked into FFxi, WoW and tried to escape with LOTR and AOC, I'd like to say that EVE is like a silky smooth breath of fresh air, even if it's older than all the other games I've played. You were asking for everyone's plans, well I plan to enjoy developing my new character, trying new ships, making some isk and generally enjoying myself. Why the hell didn't I try EVE sooner! kicks self All I can see in rookie chat is a constant stream of newb questions (from myself!) when I say stream I mean a raging torrent, all I can see is new recruits everyday. I suggest that a game this popular won't be dying anytime soon. If we all played games because they were the most popular, there's only one place we'd all be right now!
Estel Arador	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Pan Crastus tbh I wonder why eve.coldfront.net removed the "all time" graph again, it showed a clearly visibly decline for the recent months (unprecedented). Wouldn't that also show on the graph of last year? But it really is a pity that they don't have that graph anymore, since you're claim that it's unprecedented is utter nonsense. Eve always has had periods with a little less users online, and the all-time record number of online users was reached just 4 months ago. Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk!
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:03:00 - [27] Edited by: Shintai on 26/06/2008 12:04:44 2/10 Troll repeated it too many times. And here is why EvE aint dying. Chart -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Estel Arador …and the all-time record number of online users was reached just 4 months ago. QFT. Oh, and as for "no new players" – as someone who spends far too much in the newbcorp chat, I can't quite decide whether to just laugh in your face, or… well… I guess I'll just laugh in your face. LMAO
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Pan Crastus tbh I wonder why eve.coldfront.net removed the "all time" graph again, it showed a clearly visibly decline for the recent months (unprecedented). Wouldn't that also show on the graph of last year? But it really is a pity that they don't have that graph anymore, since you're claim that it's unprecedented is utter nonsense. Eve always has had periods with a little less users online, and the all-time record number of online users was reached just 4 months ago. It's an unprecedented decline (duration, quality) and it was clearly visible on the graph. Of course there were periods with "little less users online" before. But ask the people on coldfront.net why they removed it ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:15:00 - [30] Dear OP. I run a bank of sorts for people such as you. It will be an excellent long term investment to send me all your ISK and contract your various items and ships to me. Since EVE is dieing, your items and ISK are now worthless and sending them to me while cancelling your account will save you plenty of money in the long run. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend

Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:17:00 - [31] OMG [blink]EVE IS DYING !!!![/blink] -------- Ideas for: Mining
Lustbader VonHardcore	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:22:00 - [32] No it isn't, see BLAH
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:25:00 - [33] EVE is dying* right as we speak** ! * : again : for the 3487th time _ Vote on issue of mineral and moon material balance !**
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:34:00 - [34] So I sit here and am looking and remembering. I am looking at the Eve Manual that came with the box set when it was first released. I was playing SB at the time and looking for something better. Did you know the Min first space flight in the Gal and Min timelines are differant? The Gal says the first space ship was 18515. The Min date is 21413. I would have expected them to be reversed. Gal: A trash can with a rocket engine and an uzi is not a spaceship sirs! Min try again in 3000 years.... Gal: Ok Min, we see the reflective duct tape, nice touch by the way, and the addition of the trash can lid... for gods sake ok but dont try to fly it here. Thx. When did they stop printing those? I remember when 2.5 k was night time and I just couldnt wait for 10k server population. That was such big time. I bought StarWars Galaxies around the same time but it sucked the harshness. Glad it died. Just dont see why it took so long. It was also the time that jumpgate had a stable 100-200 server population. Many of the Jumpgate crowd came here but left because of the isk grind. I remember one mean ass bastard who used to hold a gate and just beat down all commers. Shooting missiles as they were launched. GM corpse sat in his hanger and he started Mo0. Or however you spell that crap. He quit when they introduced him into the storyline for Amarr ascension. His ***** was lack of storyline content. Strange from the best pvper in the game. God he really had hundreds of corpses... if not thousands. Missiles did explosion radius damage and people would hang out by gates so you couldnt shoot them... even a rocket would splash and here comes concord. Yeah, Eve had and still has some problems. The catering to the major subscription blocks. The "let them eat missions" mentality for keeping solo players in the game. When another game that comes along actually give them a place, us a place, then we wont be here. But so far they all suck or they dont get funding cause they arent like Eve or WoW. Sad but eventually someone will take the chance and it will pay big. Like it did for Eve. The total lack of actual content. The only thing that it is used for is for introduction of tech or ships or such. Never for anything solid. That was where Jumpgate actually beat the pants off Eve believe it or not. See, toward the end they would have random attacks by the mobs on the stations and everything surrounding them. Sometimes it was a couple ships... sometimes alot of really big ones. Really made it fun. The new jumpgate might be able to do it better then Eve, I dont know. It is what... 5 years later. 35k server population at peak and third world countries feed their families off the isk they sell to players in this game. 18k 5 min from downtime. Dying... whatever. Not at all that I can see. Next time, take a chart based on a weekly server population and go from there since the beginning. YOu will see an upward trend. Much better picture. Wish they would bring back splash damage and mines. Oh the days. God, back then the BS was king of the battlefield. I worked for a month to get my first cruiser. The stabber. Got blown up my first trip to 0.0. Back then cruisers were big stuff even. Now, not so much. God I hated it. LOL! --------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. "
Krall Amarr Amarr Trading Company	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Pan Crastus tbh I wonder why eve.coldfront.net removed the "all time" graph again, it showed a clearly visibly decline for the recent months (unprecedented). Its Summer. Most people do stuff outside in RL than play a game. EVE isnt dieing
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:43:00 - [36] We should get everyone with an account to connect to Eve one night and pump up the figures, could call it "The Big Log-on". Yeah that's the ticket.
Amanda Wilkins Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:45:00 - [37] Checking your posting history reveals that... 1) You can afford to play the game using ISK 2) You have a tendency to whine about how the game isn't good enough because of patches or Jita lag. Dunno about the rest of the players around, but I'm staying - been here for 2+ years so far. Want some cheese with that whine? Amanda Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain ... because we DGAF!
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:48:00 - [38] Actually Im kinda hoping it does die a little. I Think it would be a much better game with a server pop that peaks around 15k. I applaud the OP attempt to make it happen by saying it over and over again. Anyway only a complete moron leaves a game because another complete moron posts about it on the moron forum. Moron.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Tippia on 26/06/2008 12:50:35 Originally by: Pan Crastus It's an unprecedented decline (duration, quality) and it was clearly visible on the graph. Of course there were periods with "little less users online" before. The chart you're referring to, it didn't happen to use absolute numbers by any chance? You don't think that, if a game drops by, say 20% (or some other equally random number) at the onset of summer and that, if it's in a period of record-high player numbers, that this year's 20% drop will come out as a far larger drop in absolute terms than any preceeding year? Give me numbers that show a downward trend, and that this year's summer drop-off is significantly larger, in percent, than that of last year.
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:51:00 - [40] Oh an one more thing, Eve Online was never intented to be this successful, the original business model was sustainable at 5000 subcribers. Eve will never ever die.

Asantte	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:02:00 - [41] ... tbh i think EVE will die when peeps developing it lose interest and quit or mismanage something very badly ... not when we lose 10% of total account number due to summer, economy, and gtc changes
Khazeel	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:07:00 - [42] Well the no new player thing I believe is quite wrong. Myself and a friend just started and love the game. We run in to newbies all the time. I think this was a good time to start the game actually. By the time there are more people playing in the fall and winter my character will have more skills and not suck so hard... err I hope heh. I really think EvE could pick up a lot of disenfranchised people from the WoW, AoC crowd if they would just try the game.
Sirion Fujiwara	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:11:00 - [43] Edited by: Sirion Fujiwara on 26/06/2008 13:12:24 Edited by: Sirion Fujiwara on 26/06/2008 13:12:19 To the OP: Your whole premise is misguided. You refer to supposed 'proof' on the web site you link to, but when you look at the graphs, they are meant to be read right=>left, not left=>right! This leaves one with the clear conclusion that the number of players is in fact steadily rising, not steadily falling.... Lock thread please...
Ansala	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:12:00 - [44] Through the first summer the servers opened these forums were filled with posts of "Eve will never last to the fall"...then..."the servers will be shut down before Xmas." Didn't happen (obviously). Won't happen now. In fact I'd say Eve is pretty well positioned for some longer term growth due to two changes. Heavy advertising is going to bring in new players. FW is putting new players into the action much faster, and into a community of fellow players, which should increase the retention rates so they get a better return on their advertising dollars. So CCP is putting alot of effort into bringing in, and then retaining new players. (And as for lag, I tried AOC for awhile...I was really shocked at how bad the lag in that game is. PVE with even a very small group turns into a slide show.)
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:20:00 - [45] Honestly, I don't think the game can grow anymore, not as a single server at least, unless the fix the severe lag and desync problems. Suggesting that players alter their playstyle to avoid lag is not an answer either. Another thing that is needed is more content added. When was the last time they added a new mission? Trinity probably. The recent expansion added stuff that unfortunately isn't applicable to everyone (alliances excluded, people with low standings excluded, etc). Perhaps CCP should quit with grandiose expansions and instead release smaller monthly or bi-monthly content updates, with a large annual expansion (such as ambulation). My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Xtreem Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:22:00 - [46] its weird i had a dream that CCP spent 60mil GBP on advertising last night, they were playing player made videos, was awesome, dunno why i dreamt that, but i did :D
Junsako Sato Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:23:00 - [47] It seems you are interested in the type of game where you can have max skills/level and equipment with a few days grinding, EVE is probably not for you.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:38:00 - [48] Edited by: Stitcher on 26/06/2008 13:39:42 Edited by: Stitcher on 26/06/2008 13:38:29 Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's surprising how, if you tilt your head to the right, squint, wear dark glasses and look at it from a long way away and lit by candles, more and more pilots can look like less and less. lots of people have made this mistake here's where you've gone wrong. you're assuming that people screaming "OMG I AM QUIT EVE" in the forums represents the total flow of players into and out of the game you never see people come on here and go "OMG I AM JOIN EVE", do you? But they do, you know. Join, that is. not scream about it. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kronos Hopeslayer Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:39:00 - [49] I used to be an avid fantasy MMO player. I played EQ, EQ2, WoW, FFXI, AO, and probably another 1/2 dozen of the free ones. After playing them they all started to blur into one game, just different graphics. Grind, grind, grind and then grind some more for endless hours. PvP pretty lame, and even when the game is designed for PvP it was lame after a while. Then on a whim I downloaded the Eve trial, and within a week I canceled my WoW and EQ2 accounts and been enjoying playing an MMO again. Eve is unique as far as MMO's go. That will always be to CCP's advantage. Should someone decide to duplicate Eve, and provide a better product it might then risk "dying". Till that happens Eve will continue to be successful.
sesanti Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:48:00 - [50] When I was playing AO back in the beginning of 2005, I heard about EVE and for some reason ... IT WAS DYING ALREADY! They told me not to come to this game as it would be gone in half a year, or I would be flying alone for hours without finding anyone to interact with... Anyway, nothing lasts forever but I don't see EVE dying in one year from now. See Dark & Light, for example, it still has people playing there right? After all the things that happened (including the DEVs scamming their subscriptors, now that's real ) _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... never mind the portrait>

Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:53:00 - [51] The games not dying its just that everyone is stuck in Jita.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Bleeshtar The games not dying its just that everyone is stuck in Jita. Ugh! I'd rather se the game die than have everyone subjected to that horrible treatment.
Hannobaal Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Lorna Loot Can I have your stuff?
fivetide humidyear The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:02:00 - [54] actually, eve for me has never felt quite so alive and full of possibilities and different things to do. a few months of semi-retirement means jumping back into it feels almost as good as the first time. but then again if you mine the same rock, and run the same mission then yes, i imagine it does get a bit stale.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Pan Crastus tbh I wonder why eve.coldfront.net removed the "all time" graph again, it showed a clearly visibly decline for the recent months (unprecedented). Wouldn't that also show on the graph of last year? But it really is a pity that they don't have that graph anymore, since you're claim that it's unprecedented is utter nonsense. Eve always has had periods with a little less users online, and the all-time record number of online users was reached just 4 months ago. http://eve-online.de/page_serverstatus.php ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Leviathan9 Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:05:00 - [56] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 26/06/2008 15:05:13 On weekends, average player count is around 30k.... EVE has been going for 5 years and its not died yet.. I've been playing for 3 years and not once have i quit.. nor will I... Lag... what lag? I never lag... PS. Can i haz your stuff? ----------------------------
MidnightMatriarch	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:08:00 - [57] The moment I saw the word "buyed" I dismissed your idea entirely. You might want to train Grammar and Spelling to 5 before posting. That is all.
Quincunx Subspace Anomaly	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:09:00 - [58] Lol, EVE is dying. I seem to remember that, not so long ago, there was this major record of simultaniously logged in users. I also seem to remember that number was pretty substantial. I don't know, it sort of contradicts the OP's claims.
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:14:00 - [59] I've been playing for 4 years. I spent the last 2 years in the Drone Regions, with maybee 2 weeks in Empire that whole time. Then I recently spent time in Empire again cuz I wanted some neat stuff from Agents. Eve is NOT dying! For me, I remember Empire where 20 people in local was a huge number. I saw 80+ people in every system I travelled thru yesterday. Empire is actualy SO overcrowded that it amazes me that CCP has problems getting people to 0.0. But for the OP: You're not gonna get a reset, or any other 'level playing field' event in Eve. If you truly believe that you're handicapped by your skillpoints, then sell all your stuff and buy a high-sp character from one of those older players you seem to believe are leaving the game.
Raukho Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:20:00 - [60] I'm a young player about 7-8 months and I'm playing less to. Want to know why? Go outside notice something? Exactly it's summer.

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Oh an one more thing, Eve Online was never intented to be this successful, the original business model was sustainable at 5000 subcribers. Eve will never ever die. pluging my support for this statment. Eve won't die when it only takes 5000 people to support :P plus like others have said that would be kinda cool. Bt it won't happen anyways :P plus the world of drkness mmorpg WILL be a hit, too many whitewolf nerds for it not to be, and that will support both offices. And then hell maybe CCP will start making one player games how cool would a shooter be based in the eve universe using all the in-game models and stuff, huge missions in titans and stuff.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:29:00 - [62] Op go die. Eve has been steadily growing since it was created.
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:33:00 - [63] EVE's been around for 5 years - I may not of been here for 3 of those 5 years, but I've seen these Armageddon threads since day 1. I'm still waiting for the TQ cluster to explode and fall into a one-way inter dimensional ***** that appears under London that leads to a place of fiery hell and torment. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
SOLAK TIER	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:45:00 - [64] Edited by: SOLAK TIER on 26/06/2008 15:47:04 LOL @ the OP .. good try!! Plus I didnt see anyone reference the "china only" server so eve prob has more then double the 35k average max/day at one time.LOL they probably surpass our server for max #'s Yes there are 2 servers but the other was mandated in china by chinese law due to their laws about internet gaming.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:44:00 - [65] stop being a baby. just play dark orbit while you're ****ed at eve and everything will be alright. You're doing it wrong.
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:01:00 - [66] Originally by: Shgoratchx Edited by: Shgoratchx on 26/06/2008 11:46:03 We get threads like this every summer. People look at a graph somewhere and see a dip in the numbers online over the summer months and think thats it, the games in decline. Then the autumn comes, and people start staying in-doors more, exams have finished, holidays are over etc etc, people re-subscribe, renew, etc and Eve goes on to break the new world record of online gamers again. Don't be suprised to see the record for simultaneous online gamers reach 50,000 by the end of this year. ^^ This.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.08.17 17:14:00 - [67] yes there are less pilots in eve Trashed sig, Shark was here
Ammon Skycloud Caldari Matari Research Foundation	Posted - 2008.08.17 17:39:00 - [68] According to my research EVE has died at least 5 times in the past usually around this time of year, so IÆve come to the conclusion that not only is eve highly allergic to summer i.e. bright light, but due to its ability to rise from the dead every time I have realised something very important. EVE is a Vampire!!! So make sure to wear your garlic necklace whenever you play eve or you may just be turned and become a slave to its nefarious ways, a status that may affect you for the entire coming winter.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.17 17:42:00 - [69] It died many times. The clone is updated though.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.17 17:54:00 - [70] Check this alltime graph. Eve was dying for few months earlier this year, but after the introduction of Faction Warfare the graph seems to go up again. If this continues, we will see new peaks in "player online" numbers in few weeks/months. _________ My e-peen

Lucy'Lastic	Posted - 2008.08.17 17:56:00 - [71] This thread was dying but is now revitalised.
Toolbert Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:31:00 - [72] There are 37,800 players playing Eve-Online right now. Another 2,800 and we will break our record for most players online at once. Eve-Online is doing fine.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:34:00 - [73] OMG NOOO, EVE is dying, who the hell i'am gonna give all of my stufs to now then?. HALP
Paramite Pies	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:45:00 - [74] Originally by: Toolbert There are 37,800 players playing Eve-Online right now. Another 2,800 and we will break our record for most players online at once. Eve-Online is doing fine. That's what I was thinking. If EVE is dying then how come the player count keeps rising.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:51:00 - [75] For every reply to one of these necro topics SiJira gains +1 milk and warm cookies squirting out of his nose as he giggles uncontrollably. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:52:00 - [76] Jumpgate Evolution will steal a lot of EVE players. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/
Black Phlanx Caldari Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's not the provocation, I think devs very good knows about this situation, thats why we got FW ( IMHO nothing big ) and on each mmorpg site we can find EVE advertisements... I just dont wanna pay for game which will be ended after 6-12months ( or play with max. 15000 ppl online including 10000 alts and old allys who makes bilions ISK's in each hour ) Please don't write I can specialize in something in 6 months and be good as 4year character... it's true, but Im specialized in one thing he's specialized in 10 things and can do all of them alternately ). In few words, start for fresh pilots it's really hard and not fair and all know about it ( and please dont write about cheaper implants, ships then 3 years ago... it's completely another thing ). I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... When we get game with lag like in each other normal mmorpg ( 1sec usually it's much to much, but in EvE sometimes 10min and server crash it's normal ). Why something normal in other mmorpg like max 1 sec ping or normal control system ( like in space sims for EVE - and please don't hand me that story about fact that control system is perfect - it's exact by ubiquitous lag ) it's something impossible to do in EVE? I know you have prolly biggest server from mmorpg's but let's be honest - you can't contain on it. At the end... I like EVE online, really... that's why I'm writing this post despite my poor english... I want to know your plans, future of EVE because I don't like feelings Im playing in dying game and wasting my time and money. p.s. sorry for english and if you still think it's provocation please don't respond because I'm really serious. Ok, then explain this, if EVE is dying, then WHY has the number of subscriptions been sky-rocketing since Trinity was released? If EVE was dying you'd have something similar to what RF Online is going through right now, merging of servers, the subscriptions are canceled, and the game goes to being free...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:01:00 - [78] Originally by: Viella Andariel I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... Love how people can just splurt out stuff like this. Clearly EVE is dying more with every new subscription - Infectious -
Ur235 Dawn of Fire Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:03:00 - [79] Edited by: Ur235 on 17/08/2008 19:04:38 Eve Never Fades...
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Viella Andariel I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... Love how people can just splurt out stuff like this. Clearly EVE is dying more with every new subscription Haha. Rawr just got pwnd by SJ. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan

Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:13:00 - [81] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Viella Andariel I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... Love how people can just splurt out stuff like this. Clearly EVE is dying more with every new subscription Haha. Rawr just got pwnd by SJ. ... i did? - Infectious -
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:18:00 - [82] Check the topic date and who bumped it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Zeba Check the topic date and who bumped it. damnit need to pay moar attn - Infectious -
Laura Palmer	Posted - 2008.08.17 23:05:00 - [84] I was thinking after reading this thread, would be interesting if we could find out how many individual accounts get logged in each day. Would be an interesting statistic other than the number of accounts logged in at any one time. Eve to me is not dying, seems to me that people leave and more new players join. I have been playing for just over four years now, and have seen many people leave the game and come back from time to time. Even when I get totally burned out playing, I still logon and chat to people, as I can not find any other game as good as Eve. Just my 2 cents, as an old veteran player
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.18 01:02:00 - [85] Edited by: Faife on 18/08/2008 01:02:37 EVE is dead, unless it adds space whales. and jellyfish. hop to it. EDIT: oh goddamit i posted in a sijira necro. dammit dammit dammit, i want a sage option - -
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.18 01:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Zathi Shaitan Jumpgate Evolution will steal a lot of EVE players. Serious possibility.. Eve is in a class by itself. It's only a matter of time before someone changes that..
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.08.18 01:36:00 - [87] Eve will never fade video ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.18 01:39:00 - [88] How many times has Eve died this week? .
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.18 01:40:00 - [89] 8 one for every day this week and an extra one cause the lag in jita doubled it for sunday Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Mordekai Bloodwake Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.18 02:14:00 - [90] I just hope Eve does not take a back seat to World of Darkness.

Sudiin S Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.18 13:20:00 - [91] "World of Darkness, the in-development White Wolf MMO, will take four to five years to complete, CCP marketing director Magnus Bergsson told us last Friday at the company's offices in Reykjavik, Iceland." Please...
Jones Bones Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.18 14:34:00 - [92] Yes EVE is dying. You should all give me all your stuffs.
Taex	Posted - 2008.08.18 14:43:00 - [93] Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's not the provocation, I think devs very good knows about this situation, thats why we got FW ( IMHO nothing big ) and on each mmorpg site we can find EVE advertisements... I just dont wanna pay for game which will be ended after 6-12months ( or play with max. 15000 ppl online including 10000 alts and old allys who makes bilions ISK's in each hour ) Please don't write I can specialize in something in 6 months and be good as 4year character... it's true, but Im specialized in one thing he's specialized in 10 things and can do all of them alternately ). In few words, start for fresh pilots it's really hard and not fair and all know about it ( and please dont write about cheaper implants, ships then 3 years ago... it's completely another thing ). I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... When we get game with lag like in each other normal mmorpg ( 1sec usually it's much to much, but in EvE sometimes 10min and server crash it's normal ). Why something normal in other mmorpg like max 1 sec ping or normal control system ( like in space sims for EVE - and please don't hand me that story about fact that control system is perfect - it's exact by ubiquitous lag ) it's something impossible to do in EVE? I know you have prolly biggest server from mmorpg's but let's be honest - you can't contain on it. At the end... I like EVE online, really... that's why I'm writing this post despite my poor english... I want to know your plans, future of EVE because I don't like feelings Im playing in dying game and wasting my time and money. p.s. sorry for english and if you still think it's provocation please don't respond because I'm really serious. What am I doing? I'm quitting. I already cancelled both accounts. This one just has a couple of weeks left before it shuts down. My main went inactive last week and I've yet to get the urge to play him again. I havent't even played this one in days. I'm just bored and waiting on my code to compile.
Almiel Gallente Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2008.08.18 14:44:00 - [94] Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's not the provocation, I think devs very good knows about this situation, thats why we got FW ( IMHO nothing big ) and on each mmorpg site we can find EVE advertisements... I just dont wanna pay for game which will be ended after 6-12months ( or play with max. 15000 ppl online including 10000 alts and old allys who makes bilions ISK's in each hour ) Please don't write I can specialize in something in 6 months and be good as 4year character... it's true, but Im specialized in one thing he's specialized in 10 things and can do all of them alternately ). In few words, start for fresh pilots it's really hard and not fair and all know about it ( and please dont write about cheaper implants, ships then 3 years ago... it's completely another thing ). I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... When we get game with lag like in each other normal mmorpg ( 1sec usually it's much to much, but in EvE sometimes 10min and server crash it's normal ). Why something normal in other mmorpg like max 1 sec ping or normal control system ( like in space sims for EVE - and please don't hand me that story about fact that control system is perfect - it's exact by ubiquitous lag ) it's something impossible to do in EVE? I know you have prolly biggest server from mmorpg's but let's be honest - you can't contain on it. At the end... I like EVE online, really... that's why I'm writing this post despite my poor english... I want to know your plans, future of EVE because I don't like feelings Im playing in dying game and wasting my time and money. p.s. sorry for english and if you still think it's provocation please don't respond because I'm really serious. EvE is not dying.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.18 14:58:00 - [95] The question really is... Will Eve crap its pants when it dies? I hear that happens with death. Stinky... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Almiel Gallente Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:06:00 - [96] Originally by: Omarvelous The question really is... Will Eve crap its pants when it dies? I hear that happens with death. Stinky... Humm, this is a very good question. On another word, I didn't take breakfast this morning but grabbed a RedBull on my way to work.
Avaan Eclipse Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:28:00 - [97] Edited by: Avaan Eclipse on 18/08/2008 15:28:43 I predict, here and now that Eve will die. Some day. Yeah, you know, in the future and stuff... Edit: spelling
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:33:00 - [98] wow in space, nein danke We will not walk in fear of one another.
Bluddwolf Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.18 21:02:00 - [99] To the OP: I just returned to the game, after a 6 month break from it. All I can say is that I regretted not being here for the 6 months. I left to play Lord of the Rings (beta), Pirates of the Burning Sea (beta and release - 3 months) and Age of Conan (pre launch and 3 months). I'm back in EvE because it is honestly the best MMO on the market! As for what is in its future? I hope that avatars brings a new dimension to the game, without destroying the current game. I'm actually a bit fearful that avatars will bring in a wave of new players that feel that all MMOs need to be the same. They will cry, "But PvP is too dangerous if I lose all of my stuff". They will cry, "ut what is the end game content of EvE." I'm probably more affraid of what the game could turn into, then if it satys exactly the way it is.
Rhivre Caldari Carlsberg Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.08.18 21:20:00 - [100] Edited by: Rhivre on 18/08/2008 21:21:52 Hmm, I have only just arrived here, having spent about a year faffing around in other MMOs after getting very burnt out in WoW, so this is not a jaded opinion by any means, but nor am I a starry eyed adolescent (at least most of the time :p ) The first few days can, and do, put a lot of people off, its very overwhelming, especially if you get wardecced on your 2nd day of proper playing waves at Eternal Error, however, I will say, I have always hated PvP, but now I have a little alt creating all sorts of merry hell in low sec (I have this theory that if I wipe out lots of my ships on her, my other ones will stay safe ), I love the tactical side of it, and the fact I can decide a plan that encompasses more than one thing eventually (for me, specialising in certain types of pvp and support ships) I have even considered dipping my toe in the dark side of eve (not on this character, I am a fluffy little carebear here, honest ), which is something I would never ever consider in other games, I am actually trying to drag people off to pvp, which is something anyone who knows me will tell you that is not like me at all. Yes, after 5 years of running, any game will have a lot of people who have been there since the start, a little burned out, and disliking changes, but, equally, there are fresh eyes looking at the whole universe, and when you grab someone into your corp who doesnt know things like a)blowing up acceleration gates is likely to bring concord with all sirens flashing (that might have been me) b)autotargetting the poor little newbie in the shield transfer ship who is healing you is bad (that wasnt me, but the poor person who did it did feel sorry and sent me some isk) it brings a fresh sense of fun to the game for a lot of people. In other games, when I have been burnt out, and seen everything, a new member in the guild etc has made it more fun again, someone seeing something cool, or doing something stupid for the first time makes you a little less jaded, like when you have a kid running round with you. So....TLDR version: Eve is cool and funky kk thxbye...its got its zits obviously, but nothing some Clearasil wont fix

Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.18 21:30:00 - [101] If EvE keeps "dying" like it has the last year the lag will be unbearable! Speaking of dying, there are so many ex-WoW players in game that newbie-channel sounds like "barrens-chat". I am sure tripple-exp for however recruits new players isn¦t a sign of desperation from Blizzards side.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.18 21:56:00 - [102] The only thing that concerns me at present with Eve is the real risk of an economic depression, mostly due to a downturn in PvP. The engine that keeps the Eve economy running is stuff blowing up that has to be replaced. In the last year and a half we've seen 0.0 get a lot more static, and my gut-feeling anyway is that new players coming in are a bit more risk averse than those of the past. The net effect could be a general slow-down in the economy as a greater percentage of players hold onto their stuff longer, and don't need to replace it as much. That could have some serious ripple effects, making it harder to earn money and replace losses, which in turn makes players more risk averse, and it feeds on itself. If CCP listens to the whines and makes it easier to avoid risk, it could make the problem worse. That's about as much gloom and doom as I can muster. I love playing eve and expect to for years to come.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.08.18 23:04:00 - [103] Originally by: Shintai Edited by: Shintai on 26/06/2008 12:04:44 2/10 Troll repeated it too many times. And here is why EvE aint dying. Chart What is "dofus" and why does it have a kanuber sub spike?
Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.19 00:13:00 - [104] The rumors of EVE's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Paramite Pies Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.19 00:15:00 - [105] EVE has vitals?
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.08.19 00:52:00 - [106] Do these people use some peculiar definition of the word "dying" that's entirely the opposite to what most of the human race think? More active subscriptions than ever, more content than ever, the PCU record being pushed back pretty much every week... "Dying" is hardly the description I would choose.
Garok Nor Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2008.08.19 00:56:00 - [107] Originally by: Matrixcvd Eve is dead, and you and I have killed it I think I have the killmail still.
Xavier Zedicus	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:07:00 - [108] Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi
Nausicaa Minmatar Kittenz and Chickenz	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:09:00 - [109] Originally by: Esmenet Yep EVE has died each year for the last 5 years. Each year? Each day is more like it. It used to be amusing to read these "omg the sky is falling" posts, but they never, ever explain why they think it's dying, so it just yields the same caliber of answers. "Eve is dying!" "Yeah and I'm hungry, make me a sandwich."
Father Weebles North Face Force	Posted - 2008.08.19 02:52:00 - [110] I remember a time where 20k + people on a Sunday was a wow factor. Nowadays there are 20k people on during the low hours of the night.

Paramite Pies Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.19 02:57:00 - [111] EVE is somehow dying. Gentlemen, how do we fix EVE? Guy: Shoot some nukes at it! BRILLIANT IDEA!
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.08.19 03:22:00 - [112] yawn
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.19 04:30:00 - [113] Eve is not dying, and you dont understand what specialization means by the sounds of it.
Noobryan Amarr Pakehaz.	Posted - 2008.08.19 04:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Viella Andariel I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... Tbh, master-of-all-things-EVE... where do you get your stats from? Are you an CCP employee? if you have this much knowledge and experience, you have a main - post with it. PS - don't let the door hit you on the way out ---->
Adaline Gray	Posted - 2008.08.19 04:40:00 - [115] They could stop development of Eve and leave it the way it is now and the game would last at least another 5 years imo. That said, as soon as something new comes out that isn't a total piece of crap (like everything is these days) people will leave Eve in droves.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.19 05:13:00 - [116] I bet most MMORPG developers wish their game could fail like EVE is failing
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.19 05:31:00 - [117] Originally by: Somealt Ofmine The only thing that concerns me at present with Eve is the real risk of an economic depression, mostly due to a downturn in PvP. The engine that keeps the Eve economy running is stuff blowing up that has to be replaced. In the last year and a half we've seen 0.0 get a lot more static, and my gut-feeling anyway is that new players coming in are a bit more risk averse than those of the past. The net effect could be a general slow-down in the economy as a greater percentage of players hold onto their stuff longer, and don't need to replace it as much. That could have some serious ripple effects, making it harder to earn money and replace losses, which in turn makes players more risk averse, and it feeds on itself. If CCP listens to the whines and makes it easier to avoid risk, it could make the problem worse. That's about as much gloom and doom as I can muster. I love playing eve and expect to for years to come. Sov changes should fix the issues of static 0.0 space. Highsec has always been fairly safe as long as you had a decent head on your shoulders - all the recent changes are doing is making it so you don't have to be as intelligent to stay safe. I'll agree about risk-aversiveness though - I carebear it up in lowsec regularly - I find that as long as I'm smart and keep moving I don't get caught. But a lot of people won't go no way no how. I think if they fix the issues with FW (and buff up the rewards some), and re-do the wardec system in an intelligent way that doesn't turn it into a pay-to-not-grief system, it could go a long way toward getting people into pvp.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.19 06:17:00 - [118] Originally by: Almiel .. grabbed a RedBull on my way to work. I'm trying to cut energy drinks. They are awful for calories and carbons
Sovox	Posted - 2008.08.19 06:48:00 - [119] Edited by: Sovox on 19/08/2008 06:48:35 Hell i wish EVE would die a little bit, till i get done building my new rig anyway!! I hate to break it to you OP but EVE is about one of the best MMO's out on the market as of now and despite all the crying about the changes that will soon be here i can still only see this game growing...
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:14:00 - [120] Summer 2004: Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Summer 2005: Game was good last year and yeah we saw record player numbers last winter but Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Summer 2006: Game was good last year and yeah we saw record player numbers last winter but Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Rinse - repeat We should just develop a whine generator. A dozen wine threads per week for any proposed change. A few extra Eve is dying threads per month. Daily "Low Sec!", "New Player!", "Gankers!!!", "ISK Farmers!!!", "LAG WORSE THAN EVER!!!!" threads. Content is repetitive anyway and very seldom original. I've been skimming over them for 5 years - nothing new to see here. Don't see why humans have to produce them when computers where invented for such mind-numbing tasks as creating whine threads. ;-)

Misanth The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:39:00 - [121] Originally by: van Uber Originally by: Viella Andariel I want to know your plans, future of EVE Ambulation. EVE subscriptions might just as well explode when this is released. That puzzles me, I really think ambulation might actually be bad for EVE. This game is in very much sense a MMO, more interaction with other players than most other games in similar genres. With ambulation I predict this will actually decrease/drop. Someone might argue that "what? we're going to interact in stations". Well.. the action in this game is in space. Stations is mainly used for non-interactivity. Swapping ships. Going AFK. Hiding from PvP. Talking to NPC's. Repairing etc. Trading is the most interactive thing we have in station and that is not a direct contact.. In that sense ambulation is not logical at all. I have nothing against the idea of putting in ambulation, but I know for my own sake that it won't affect my gaming at all. But I'm scared I will get less targets in space, and that, is why I'm also afraid that ambulation might actually be a threat to EVE.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.19 10:03:00 - [122] Originally by: Glengrant Summer 2004: Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Summer 2005: Game was good last year and yeah we saw record player numbers last winter but Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Summer 2006: Game was good last year and yeah we saw record player numbers last winter but Eve will surely die soon. All those changes they destroyed the game. Rinse - repeat We should just develop a whine generator. A dozen wine threads per week for any proposed change. A few extra Eve is dying threads per month. Daily "Low Sec!", "New Player!", "Gankers!!!", "ISK Farmers!!!", "LAG WORSE THAN EVER!!!!" threads. Content is repetitive anyway and very seldom original. I've been skimming over them for 5 years - nothing new to see here. Don't see why humans have to produce them when computers where invented for such mind-numbing tasks as creating whine threads. ;-) yep, I even heard these in late summer in 2003.... Now over 5 years has passed. Even has gone from 3-6000 players online to 30000-40000. And subscriptions keep climbing. Eve is the Orange one. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.08.19 10:23:00 - [123] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 19/08/2008 10:23:40 honestly the less players in eve the beter it will get. iam doing my best to kill em all. so i dont think eve will die out that fast :)
Sinder Ohm Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.19 10:58:00 - [124] lolyes eve is dying, so quite now while you are still ahead and contract me ur stuff. PS: I endorse the post above mine
MMXMMX	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:28:00 - [125] To the op We all whine. It feels good and even has some benefits. It can release frustration and help you keep moving forward. However, whining can also be extremely detrimental. It often consumes a great deal of time and produces little new information.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.19 12:32:00 - [126] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: van Uber Originally by: Viella Andariel I want to know your plans, future of EVE Ambulation. EVE subscriptions might just as well explode when this is released. That puzzles me, I really think ambulation might actually be bad for EVE. This game is in very much sense a MMO, more interaction with other players than most other games in similar genres. With ambulation I predict this will actually decrease/drop. Someone might argue that "what? we're going to interact in stations". Well.. the action in this game is in space. Stations is mainly used for non-interactivity. Swapping ships. Going AFK. Hiding from PvP. Talking to NPC's. Repairing etc. Trading is the most interactive thing we have in station and that is not a direct contact.. In that sense ambulation is not logical at all. I have nothing against the idea of putting in ambulation, but I know for my own sake that it won't affect my gaming at all. But I'm scared I will get less targets in space, and that, is why I'm also afraid that ambulation might actually be a threat to EVE. Ahh, yes. Fewer targets in space at times perhaps. But think of it this way, you may very well have less lag to deal with the targets you do have in space.
Sandra Tyrell	Posted - 2008.08.19 13:06:00 - [127] If CCP really fixes the out of control "suicide" ganking, Eve may yet live on
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.19 13:36:00 - [128] Eve sure takes a long time to die. .
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.19 13:46:00 - [129] Originally by: Glengrant We should just develop a whine generator. And here it is!! And yes I was having a coffee break Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
BaconLL Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:04:00 - [130] EVE IS DYING. One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered EVE community... Oh I don't feel like completing it.

Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:53:00 - [131] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: van Uber Someone might argue that "what? we're going to interact in stations". Well.. the action in this game is in space. Stations is mainly used for non-interactivity. Swapping ships. Going AFK. Hiding from PvP. Talking to NPC's. Repairing etc. Trading is the most interactive thing we have in station and that is not a direct contact.. Most of my time spent interacting with people in EVE is while docked, being semi-afk doing other stuff like programming.
Eran Lathes	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:39:00 - [132] I have inspected the matter for some time and I have come to that conclusion that as the time of walking in space stations with our characters is coming close, they have been trying to change Eve system ever so slowly for it, resulting in increasing lagg instead of changing much and cause great havoc in the game for some days. If it is true that you say, that Eve is dying you can bet that I will follow it to its very end. But the real reason why I thing Eve will survive is because as it is, this game is unique. Unlike many other MMO games this game is actually really challenging. And thought most that begin to play the game will quit shortly after, those that stay aren¦t going to quit anytime soon. The world is filled with people looking for MMO that are (as said before,) a real challenge and have both the patience and the determination to play and stay with this game. Eve is still building its name in the game world, and though many are quiting more are joining and staying. If my friend tells me right, Eve hasn¦t gotten much of an introduction in Nortern- nor Southern America at all. Mabye it is because of negative people like you that more are quiting, just an idea, not intended to insulting you...... much.
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:36:00 - [133] Something did die, I think it was the OP's brain. Also, I think a few of my grey cells die everytime I see a thread entitled "EVE is dying".
Sharon Dai Dai Productions	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:41:00 - [134] But if Eve is dying, who will take care of Adam?
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:54:00 - [135] Not sure I'd call it dead or dying when every graph CCP currently produce of subscription rate (paying accounts) has a graph going up and up and up. The tentonhammer Ambulation video had one, for example. Either that or someone's paying a lot of money for not actually playing...
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.08.20 02:18:00 - [136] Fun thread, nice necro, and a picture says a thousand words.
Treenara Mazouk Phoenix Propulsion Labs Lost Sheep Domain	Posted - 2008.08.20 03:40:00 - [137] Sounds like the Apple is dying swan song. Gimmie a #$@#$@#$ break!!!
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.20 05:46:00 - [138] Originally by: Kvirie Fun thread, nice necro, and a picture says a thousand words. Dammit. I was about to say.. err link that!
Senicho	Posted - 2008.08.24 05:42:00 - [139] Sorry everyone. The OP was my wife. She's just trying to get me to quit so I'll mow the yard and take her on a date once in a while. Honey, I'm on to you! I'm not falling for this trick. I'm changing my password so you can't get on the internet and stir up a mess on the forums again.
Disteeler Primera Fundacion	Posted - 2008.08.24 06:00:00 - [140] Originally by: Viella Andariel Hi I think all of us with open eyes sight EvE is dying... there is less and less pilots ( espicially young pilots, eve-offline.net page - proof ), and more and more from still playing pilots that's alts ( buyed on forum from guys leaving game ). It's not the provocation, I think devs very good knows about this situation, thats why we got FW ( IMHO nothing big ) and on each mmorpg site we can find EVE advertisements... I just dont wanna pay for game which will be ended after 6-12months ( or play with max. 15000 ppl online including 10000 alts and old allys who makes bilions ISK's in each hour ) Please don't write I can specialize in something in 6 months and be good as 4year character... it's true, but Im specialized in one thing he's specialized in 10 things and can do all of them alternately ). In few words, start for fresh pilots it's really hard and not fair and all know about it ( and please dont write about cheaper implants, ships then 3 years ago... it's completely another thing ). I know most of players that's old players and CCP live thanks them and they like this situation ( except lag ), but they quit sooner or later, all or 50% of them... When we get game with lag like in each other normal mmorpg ( 1sec usually it's much to much, but in EvE sometimes 10min and server crash it's normal ). Why something normal in other mmorpg like max 1 sec ping or normal control system ( like in space sims for EVE - and please don't hand me that story about fact that control system is perfect - it's exact by ubiquitous lag ) it's something impossible to do in EVE? I know you have prolly biggest server from mmorpg's but let's be honest - you can't contain on it. At the end... I like EVE online, really... that's why I'm writing this post despite my poor english... I want to know your plans, future of EVE because I don't like feelings Im playing in dying game and wasting my time and money. p.s. sorry for english and if you still think it's provocation please don't respond because I'm really serious. ARE YOU A COMEDIAN?

karmahpolice	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:23:00 - [141] i remember when eve first came out and only about 7-8k ppl online, and we had the sweet "rubber band effect" now its in the upper 20's lower 30's. i think what may have happened is when they launched this on steam that mass leet crowd decided to try it out and possibly realized theres no leetness per Se in here.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:57:00 - [142] Giev isk.
Angelice Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.25 12:41:00 - [143] Eve can't die, I've got a skill queue that's way longer than my expected life span! All I need now are some grandchildren to take over the account... Angelice Infinity Enterprises "To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.25 13:37:00 - [144] Carebear online been announced yesterday!! I'll go play that. Carebear Online Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.08.25 13:54:00 - [145] EvE isnt dying its just getting shittier every patch since i started playing. we should stop asking for changes, we know it only makes it worse.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:37:00 - [146] EVE has always been my "backup" game. I play other MMO's, and when I get tired of those, EVE is always there. From the years I've played EVE, the game has, in my opinion, improved alot. It's like a fine wine, getting better slowly, but steadily. Sure, you hear the whines flaring up everytime there is a change, lately around the "nanonerf" and "serious security" topics. However, at the end of the day, or rather, at the end of the year, EVE has gained more players and become a better game in most people's opinions (otherwise why else are more and more playing?) If you're not happy with the game, or don't like the future for the game, the choice is really very simple. Cancel your account and leave. You can voice your opinions on forums and instigate flame wars and whatmore, but honestly, what good does it ever do? We all hate the "I quit" posts that are thrown out at forums in both EVE and other MMO's, more so to create some fuss and sympathy for themselves or to try to fool themselves thinking that them quitting really has a HUGE impact on the game. Get real, you're 1 out of 230.000 subscriptions in EVE, owned by half or more players (since many have 2 or 3 accounts). So if you quit that's 1 out of 100.000 players, or tops 3 out of 230.000 subscriptions. Just leave and play whatever takes your fancy if you are unhappy with the game. For me, I'll keep playing and be happy you're gone. That means one less pirate to worry about, one less ninja looted to slip into a mission, one less trader to compete with, one less industrialist to compete with or one less miner to eat the belts, or one less mission runner that lags out the mission hubs. Be well and take care! And no, I don't really want your quitter stuff. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:37:00 - [147] Are we living or dying? I'd like to know ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.08.25 15:11:00 - [148] Originally by: Caiman Graystock obvious troll is obvious redundant point is redundant. oh and for old times sake, IBDS. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
ArmyOfMe Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.25 15:44:00 - [149] Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 25/08/2008 15:46:17 so signed. when i started it used to be 5-6k online and i still remember the day we broke 9k online. now we only have 30-40k online so i have to agree, eve is clearly dying. at least the hamsters are
Neermark JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.25 16:30:00 - [150] Well according to CCP Eve has more subs than ever: RyanD on this months new subs So if Eve is dying it's doing it in a very strange way.... Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!!

Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.25 16:35:00 - [151] Ding dong, Eve is dead, Which old Eve? The wicked Eve. Ding dong, the wicked Eve is dead..... Hi, ho, the merry oh... Sing it high, sing it low... Ding dong, the wicked Eve is dead.... (Wizard of Oz..) .


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