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Watain
Caldari
Sincarnate Contracts
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Posted - 2008.06.29 10:36:00 -
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How can the Caldari Marauder be in anny use during PvE when every BC/BS rat has defender missiles? As Caldari marauder have 4 launcher hardpoints 2 or 3 deffencer missiles can cripple its DPS with 50% to 75%. Whatta ****!!!
I dont have a Marauder nor will i ever have it because of this.
Discuss caldari marauder |
Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 10:42:00 -
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This is coming up alot
Defenders will cause you to lose no more firepower than a normal Raven would. Defenders have a 30% chance to fire per missile you fire.
And if your using torpedo's like the Golem is designed for, it doesn't matter anyway because it takes 3 defenders to kill a torpedo and they will only ever fire one defender per missile at you. |
Helen
coracao ardente
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 12:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Watain
Discuss using eve search to find relevant info that stops me looking stupid
also good troll
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 13:12:00 -
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Why does this keep coming up like..weekly?  |
Hellspawn666
Minmatar
Master Miners
Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 13:57:00 -
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Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo. |
Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo.
YES! |
MenanceWhite
Amarr
Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo.
hell yes. missiles doesnt that that much space anyways
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Gazzaa29
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Posted - 2008.06.29 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gazzaa29 on 29/06/2008 15:23:47
if u never fly a Golem then ul never know what ur missing.. Ignorance is bliss
Im too drunk to do all the maths for u and u can feel free to get distorted reports from ur eft if u like.
Here is the facts.
I have a NIR and a Golem. The nir sits in the hanger gathering dust, the golem gets used all the time. Any 1 that has both will agree that golem is miles better than the nir (forget normal ravens lol)
Yes the nir can theoreticly out dps a golem, and in eft/theory land thats gr8. Problem is tho once u fit the sieges on ur raven u dont get much fitting left for ur tank, and ur torps wont b as good unless u gimp ur tank further to fit a tp2.
The golem can 1 volley most cruisers (thats a massive time saver) bses pop in 2 sumtimes 3 volleys.. the frigs go down quick too wiv a tp on them, i dont bother launching drones anymore.
In short the golem p**ses all over ravens/NIRs.
I challenge any1 to do a lvl4 in a nir faster than me in a golem, looser looses his ship
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Helen
coracao ardente
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 15:53:00 -
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Gazzaa seems to be the only person who refers to the Navy Issue Raven as NIR as oppossed to the generally used CNR.
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DARTHxFREE
Double Indemnity
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
Gazzaa seems to be the only person who refers to the Navy Issue Raven as NIR as oppossed to the generally used CNR.
reminds me of HAS / HAC and kk instead of m(million) really sad one that
/join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.06.29 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
Gazzaa seems to be the only person who refers to the Navy Issue Raven as NIR as oppossed to the generally used CNR.
Lol. Took me a few seconds to figure out wtf a NIR was. |
Athamai
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Posted - 2008.06.29 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Helen
Gazzaa seems to be the only person who refers to the Navy Issue Raven as NIR as oppossed to the generally used CNR.
Lol. Took me a few seconds to figure out wtf a NIR was.
My first thought was nir? How drunk is he..
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Captain Gorlok
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 07:59:00 -
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Ive been running my Golem w/cal navy cruise launchers and love it BUT,
maybe I should try torps ?? |
Tamoko
Damage Unlimited Inc
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.30 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Helen
Gazzaa seems to be the only person who refers to the Navy Issue Raven as NIR as oppossed to the generally used CNR.
Lol. Took me a few seconds to figure out wtf a NIR was.
I don't feel quite so inept, any more. I had no clue. |
Tamoko
Damage Unlimited Inc
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.30 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Gorlok
Ive been running my Golem w/cal navy cruise launchers and love it BUT,
maybe I should try torps ??
For the love of god, use a CNR if you want cruise. Golem is a torpedo boat. |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.30 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/06/2008 08:44:43
Originally by: Watain
How can the Caldari Marauder be in anny use during PvE when every BC/BS rat has defender missiles? As Caldari marauder have 4 launcher hardpoints 2 or 3 deffencer missiles can cripple its DPS with 50% to 75%. Whatta ****!!!
I dont have a Marauder nor will i ever have it because of this.
Discuss caldari marauder
Sigh. Another troll. But since some newer player might ask the same question, answer is as follows.
Regardless of missile velocity, you are going to get hit by defenders on roughly 20% of your missiles above 40km range. Some enemies spam more defenders. Some enemies spam less. Average is around 20%.
1. With Max Velocity skills and implants, you can outrun 99% of Defenders within 30-35km or so.
2. NPC's fire a maximum of 1 defender. So you can simply use torps which will never die. However torps have lower range and increased fitting.
3. Nothing wrong changing from torps to cruise depending on mission. Some missions make torp golems better, other missions has cruise golems better. Even the same mission can be better with torps or cruise depending on if you have a hackers card or not (e.g Worlds collide, without hackers card, cruise is best isk/hour for speedrun for LP by skipping all gates. With hackers card, Torps are better since you can complete last stage quicker.)
Torps = Apples. Cruise = Orange. Both are good for different things. Caldari maurader is good but has 1 less slot from CNR (1 less rig slot, since a low got moved to a mid) |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 30/06/2008 09:06:20
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo.
Mm, not neccesarily.
1. For PvE,I'd have to factor in reloads to get a more meaningful dps number.
2. No more 1 shotting BC's.
3. Reduced bang/buck for faction ammo.
So, no, not really.
The guys shouting YES, I wonder if they've tought it through all the way, or would they really use a Golem for PvP? |
Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Edited by: Qui Shon on 30/06/2008 09:06:20
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo.
Mm, not neccesarily.
1. For PvE,I'd have to factor in reloads to get a more meaningful dps number.
2. No more 1 shotting BC's.
3. Reduced bang/buck for faction ammo.
So, no, not really.
The guys shouting YES, I wonder if they've tought it through all the way, or would they really use a Golem for PvP?
With a 0 second cycle time? I sure would. Think of the Alpha, man!
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Why does this keep coming up like..weekly?
its either that or they have low strength and will get jammed all the time
and I would like to say its more than weekly.  |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 30/06/2008 10:34:56
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Qui Shon
Edited by: Qui Shon on 30/06/2008 09:06:20
Originally by: Hellspawn666
Well would you prefer a 100%ROF bonus? that way you spend loads of ammo and need more cargo.
Mm, not neccesarily.
1. For PvE,I'd have to factor in reloads to get a more meaningful dps number.
2. No more 1 shotting BC's.
3. Reduced bang/buck for faction ammo.
So, no, not really.
The guys shouting YES, I wonder if they've tought it through all the way, or would they really use a Golem for PvP?
With a 0 second cycle time? I sure would. Think of the Alpha, man!
LOL!
Okay, he got me, or you guys did. Damn, it was I who did not think it through.
Was thinking rounds / time, with the rounds figure being changed, which is not how Eve measures RoF, of course. |
Tolsimir Wolfblood
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tolsimir Wolfblood on 30/06/2008 10:34:02
I mostly live in 0.0 and i have to say ratting in a Golem with t2 torps + boost tank + mwd ftw |
Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:33:00 -
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Move in closer = defenders won't have time to reach your cruise missiles before they smash on the target.
Use torps = defenders cannot kill them effectively.
The Golem simply rocks. |
Daelorn
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:37:00 -
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Maybe Golem should have a bonus to missile's HP? |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:42:00 -
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A golem emptying all its launchers in an instant wil be doing about 150k raw damage..enough to instapop any subcap  |
Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
A golem emptying all its launchers in an instant wil be doing about 150k raw damage..enough to instapop any subcap
and if not, it can tank well enough to reload and finish the job with the next volley...
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:01:00 -
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Remind me of the patch last year where they broke the siege module so it would nullify the ROF of all capital weapons 
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Captain Gorlok
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tamoko
Originally by: Captain Gorlok
Ive been running my Golem w/cal navy cruise launchers and love it BUT,
maybe I should try torps ??
For the love of god, use a CNR if you want cruise. Golem is a torpedo boat.
Does the CNR have 40km TB range, 1000m/s suck speed and 1225m3 cargo, duh.
Just tried torps and the range was only 29km, so how much time do u spend chasing those 40km orbiting rats?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Gorlok
Just tried torps and the range was only 29km, so how much time do u spend chasing those 40km orbiting rats?
Use rigs and implants to increase range, and add afterburner.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
MMXMMX
Caldari
Resistance is Futile
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Captain Gorlok
Just tried torps and the range was only 29km, so how much time do u spend chasing those 40km orbiting rats?
Use rigs and implants to increase range, and add afterburner.
Yeh good 1
most off the time the rats are 70km or 100km away
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:33:00 -
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Aggro them and they will approach swiftly while you burn for them or the next gate.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
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