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Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Dheorl Whenever I see this setup I don't get why people don't just fly a proper long range inty instead. cause its fun.
BillyBong2 Amarr Imperativa	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: BillyBong2 How are the DPS numbers wrong - are you speaking to the crusaders? or the 'diction? OP Set-up Right, my setup was a bit different. However, thanks for the clarification I see exactly what you are talking about.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:04:00 - [33] Originally by: BillyBong2 Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: BillyBong2 How are the DPS numbers wrong - are you speaking to the crusaders? or the 'diction? OP Set-up Right, my setup was a bit different. However, thanks for the clarification I see exactly what you are talking about. np, my most esteemed brosef.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Whenever I see this setup I don't get why people don't just fly a proper long range inty instead. cause its fun. But you fly it in pretty much exactly the same way you fly a long range inty... it just sin't as good.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:44:00 - [35] Edited by: Foocurr on 01/07/2008 19:46:07 Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Whenever I see this setup I don't get why people don't just fly a proper long range inty instead. cause its fun. But you fly it in pretty much exactly the same way you fly a long range inty... it just sin't as good. sorry, but when people try to make a point by being this vague, it tells me they just aren't seeing reason why people would fit uncommon setups like this. PVP is not vague, its very specific and so should you be. as said before...the idea with the pulse setup is damage coupled with high tracking. its not the traditional long range inty setup. if you looked at the stats you'd see it can hit an inty mwd'ing with 9000m/s transversal velocity while being fast itself. Where does that come in handy? Get out and try it for yourself. edit: actually, no, dont do it. it doesn't work. long range setups are much better.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 19:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Foocurr as said before...the idea with the pulse setup is damage coupled with high tracking. its not the traditional long range inty setup. if you looked at the stats you'd see it can hit an inty mwd'ing with 9000m/s transversal velocity while being fast itself. Where does that come in handy? Get out and try it for yourself. It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better?
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks. Why should I need to post a setup, all you'd do is shove the numbers into EFT, come up with exactly the same I have and also know what I fly.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks. Why should I need to post a setup, all you'd do is shove the numbers into EFT, come up with exactly the same I have and also know what I fly. umm...you referenced "a long range setup". just tell me what it is and i'll tell you what it doesn't do that mine does and vice versa. trust me, im sure your setup wont surprise me. its not hard. i know you can do it.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:30:00 - [40] You'll see my point once you find someone in a Taranis with a clue.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Caelum Dominus You'll see my point once you find someone in a Taranis with a clue. dude, i know. every ******* inty pilot knows. ranis with overheated web. so your point is not new.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Caelum Dominus You'll see my point once you find someone in a Taranis with a clue. dude, i know. every ******* inty pilot knows. ranis with overheated web. so your point is not new. That doesn't mean it's less valid. You still didn't address why you're gimping yourself for tracking and range you don't need (... unless you're insisting on going up against cruisers, in which case there are obviously far better ship alternatives).
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks. Why should I need to post a setup, all you'd do is shove the numbers into EFT, come up with exactly the same I have and also know what I fly. umm...you referenced "a long range setup". just tell me what it is and i'll tell you what it doesn't do that mine does and vice versa. trust me, im sure your setup wont surprise me. its not hard. i know you can do it. Tbh I'm gona have to mark you only a 3/10 for patronizing and a 1/10 for originality. I still don't get why there is any need for me to post a setup. I'm not completely blind or stupid and can easily see what that setup can do and can also see that a long range setup can do pretty much everything better. I don't need someone else picking it apart to tell me what I already know.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Caelum Dominus (... unless you're insisting on going up against cruisers, in which case there are obviously far better ship alternatives). this is a crusader thread.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks. Why should I need to post a setup, all you'd do is shove the numbers into EFT, come up with exactly the same I have and also know what I fly. umm...you referenced "a long range setup". just tell me what it is and i'll tell you what it doesn't do that mine does and vice versa. trust me, im sure your setup wont surprise me. its not hard. i know you can do it. Tbh I'm gona have to mark you only a 3/10 for patronizing and a 1/10 for originality. I still don't get why there is any need for me to post a setup. I'm not completely blind or stupid and can easily see what that setup can do and can also see that a long range setup can do pretty much everything better. I don't need someone else picking it apart to tell me what I already know. you're afraid. i dunno why you dont post a setup. by now, with all the typing you've done you could have posted your setup three times over. makes me think you dont actually know what you're talking about.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl It doesn't do any higher damage than a long range setup and your never gona need to hit an inty with that much transversal, so what can it do that a long range setup can't do better? sigh...more vagueness. please post the long range setup you speak of. thanks. Why should I need to post a setup, all you'd do is shove the numbers into EFT, come up with exactly the same I have and also know what I fly. umm...you referenced "a long range setup". just tell me what it is and i'll tell you what it doesn't do that mine does and vice versa. trust me, im sure your setup wont surprise me. its not hard. i know you can do it. Tbh I'm gona have to mark you only a 3/10 for patronizing and a 1/10 for originality. I still don't get why there is any need for me to post a setup. I'm not completely blind or stupid and can easily see what that setup can do and can also see that a long range setup can do pretty much everything better. I don't need someone else picking it apart to tell me what I already know. you're afraid. i dunno why you dont post a setup. by now, with all the typing you've done you could have posted your setup three times over. makes me think you dont actually know what you're talking about. The point is I don't see why I should give out information that I don't need or want to give, especially when it's not needed. If you want to carry on flying this setup than thats fine with me, I just don't think I'll be joining you.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:47:00 - [47] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 01/07/2008 20:50:12 Originally by: Foocurr this is a crusader thread. As such, it should relate to fits that complement the Crusader's role as an anti-Interceptor. It's painfully obvious that the ship is not designed to take on cruisers, and trying to accommodate this purpose leads to a fit full of fail. ... but hey, suit yourself. PS: Oh, and you still didn't adress why you're gimping yourself for range and tracking you don't need. Way to go.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 20:59:00 - [48] Edited by: Foocurr on 01/07/2008 21:00:14 Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 01/07/2008 20:50:12 Originally by: Foocurr this is a crusader thread. As such, it should relate to fits that complement the Crusader's role as an anti-Interceptor. It's painfully obvious that the ship is not designed to take on cruisers, and trying to accommodate this purpose leads to a fit full of fail. ... but hey, suit yourself. PS: Oh, and you still didn't adress why you're gimping yourself for range and tracking you don't need. Way to go. Well, i am assuming you mean only gimping range. since tracking is boosted, but you right, it doesn't work. Dont even try it. the reason to boost tracking is that you can do full damage while in orbit and also hit fast ships with a high transversal.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Foocurr Well, i am assuming you mean only gimping range. since tracking is boosted, but you right, it doesn't work. Dont even try it. No, that's not what I mean. You're sacrificing speed (which you need) for tracking and range (which you don't need). Originally by: Foocurr the reason to boost tracking is that you can do full damage while in orbit and also hit fast ships with a high transversal. Right - for 90 seconds, that is, before your capacitor expires. If you're up against another fast ship, you can control transversal by going faster (... if your fit is decent, that is).
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:17:00 - [50] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 01/07/2008 21:20:13 Originally by: Dheorl The point is I don't see why I should give out information that I don't need or want to give, especially when it's not needed. If you want to carry on flying this setup than thats fine with me, I just don't think I'll be joining you. A quick google search shows the last few inty kills you had were using a claw and tech 1 artillery. Ouch. Further investigation shows you only fly the crow, raptor, and claw - none of which with t2 guns. Sir, leave this thread.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Right - for 90 seconds, that is, before your capacitor expires. If you're up against another fast ship, you can control transversal by going faster (... if your fit is decent, that is). Lets say you average an actual 20dps for 90 seconds against 8000m/s transversal. 1800dmg will get you close to killing non plated/extended inties. a long range sader will not touch that dps against that transversal. Sure you can control transversal with more speed, but with less average damage can you kill your target as fast? lots of inty duels end in your target bailing out. My sader will overload mwd to 10km/s.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:32:00 - [52] Edited by: Dheorl on 01/07/2008 21:35:34 Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 01/07/2008 21:20:13 Originally by: Dheorl The point is I don't see why I should give out information that I don't need or want to give, especially when it's not needed. If you want to carry on flying this setup than thats fine with me, I just don't think I'll be joining you. A quick google search shows the last few inty kills you had were using a claw and tech 1 artillery. Ouch. Further investigation shows you only fly the crow, raptor, and claw - none of which with t2 guns. Sir, leave this thread. Look at the date, those just happen to be the most recent kills that have ended up on a killboard. I can fly every frig of any race and fly them well (frigs is what I do), the only ceptors I have ever lost have been to disconnects or bugs, I would have said that was a pretty decent track record. P.S. If your gona get into what killbaords say look at the guy I'm arguing with
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:33:00 - [53] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 01/07/2008 21:33:33 Originally by: Foocurr Lets say you average an actual 20dps for 90 seconds against 8000m/s transversal. 1800dmg will get you close to killing non plated/extended inties. a long range sader will not touch that dps against that transversal. What? No, really - what? Fail. Originally by: Foocurr Sure you can control transversal with more speed, but with less average damage can you kill your target as fast? lots of inty duels end in your target bailing out. My sader will overload mwd to 10km/s. You'd think with the (random) numbers you presented above, you'd at least have a vague idea of game mechanics. Since there will be no transversal, you will obviously be doing way more damage than any tracking-enhanced fit with a ridiculous amount of transversal because you're too slow to control it. No, Interceptor duels that include a proper-fit Crusader never end in your target bailing out.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Caelum Dominus ... 7.6km/s is plenty fast to control transversal in a fight, especially if your target is click orbit. btw, could you show what setup you use for solo, just curious.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Dheorl P.S. If your gona get into what killbaords say look at the guy I'm arguing with i don't give a **** about kb stats. of my 4 characters, only 2 can be found on any killboard and it matters not.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:43:00 - [56] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 01/07/2008 21:44:19 Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Caelum Dominus ... 7.6km/s is plenty fast to control transversal in a fight, especially if your target is click orbit. btw, could you show what setup you use for solo, just curious. 7.6km/s with 3% rogues, no rigs and two speed mods? I don't think so. Quote: 2x Overdrive Injector System II 2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN Microwarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II 4x Dual Light Pulse Laser II w/Scorch It's for (interceptor) duels only - 11km/s with low-grade snakes, absolutely murders anything but the Taranis.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl P.S. If your gona get into what killbaords say look at the guy I'm arguing with i don't give a **** about kb stats. of my 4 characters, only 2 can be found on any killboard and it matters not. It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the guy pulling up info from battleclinic about me.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Dheorl P.S. If your gona get into what killbaords say look at the guy I'm arguing with i don't give a **** about kb stats. of my 4 characters, only 2 can be found on any killboard and it matters not. It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the guy pulling up info from battleclinic about me. It was the TRI killboard actually, though I did peek at BC. TBH though, no recent BC inty kills + no corp = no recent inty kills. Unless you're only killing nubs, in which case it doesn't matter anyway.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:50:00 - [59] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 01/07/2008 21:50:11 Originally by: Foocurr wait, you're saying it doesn't go that fast or you're saying it can't dictate transversal? That it doesn't go that fast with 3% rogues, two speeds mods and no rigs. It's not even going to push 7km/s. EDIT: A visit to EFT later, it does 6.7km/s (and that's including Zor's).
Delencia Lakat	Posted - 2008.07.01 21:50:00 - [60] Because yes, if you want to go to specifics like "My X beats your Y" we might as well just say "My rapier can stop your inty and my dictor can bubble him up and we can kill your Y"

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