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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:14:00 -
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Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :) |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:22:00 -
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In short, no.
Best reasonable option is possibly covops cloaked Slaved buffer proteus. Mostly the being not-afk and cov ops cloaked will save you. After that it's using insta-undock/warp bookmarks. |
Trask II
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:22:00 -
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There's no such thing as "gank-proof". The only real defense you have against it is a cloaky transport for medium-sized loads, or a tanked frigate that insta-warps for small loads. If they don't have time to scan you, they don't know if you're carrying anything decent. Also, if you autopilot everywhere, that pretty much negates any other defenses you could have. Even if you ubertank your ship, they will just bring more stuff to kill you if your load is worth it. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
949
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:22:00 -
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There's no such thing as gank-proof.
However, if you want to have the highest chance of your cargo surviving there are a couple different approaches.
If you're willing to pay attention to your ship (warp to 0 each jump, cloak up as you enter the system, etc), then either a CovOps or Blockade Runner will work fine (which one you need depends on the volume of cargo you need to move). The ships still aren't tanked much at all, but it's hard for someone to kill you if they can't see you more than half a second at a time.
The less effort intensive method would be to get an Orca and use the corp hanger. Stuff in the corp hanger can't be scanned, so no one knows that you're carrying anything, and nothing drops from it, so they don't benefit if they do kill you. And the Orca can have some sizable EHP too. This won't save you if someone really wants you dead, but it will make you a less desirable target (especially if the gankers wouldn't profit from the venture). Warping to 0 is still recommended though, as with everything. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
173
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:24:00 -
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Go for stealth - especially if in empire space you include lowsec (which is technically empire space you know).
Don't go AFK.
You won't be gank proof, but definitely hard to gank. Avoid doing silly things (i.e. hanging around at Jita 4-4 undock) and you'll be fine. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Tax Dodging Corporation
51
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:46:00 -
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Low volume, hi-tank... Fly a well fitted HIC. Sure the cargo hold is not large. Still the knuckle or broadsword can top 100k ehp. Plus, most people don't think of scanning a random HIC flying by.
Heck, anything under a billion isk, fly a freighter. Usually if you do not have that high value, you are left alone because it costs to much to pop you.
Also, far more important, know your route. There are systems where gankers ike to camp, avoid those systems. |
Billy Kidd
Two Holes One Tower
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:23:00 -
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The best way to transport high-value goods is by carrying them in the corporate hangar array of an orca. Items in the corp hangar will never show up on cargo scans, and will never drop upon ship destruction. No sane suicide ganker would blow you up since they would only lose money in the process. As for the insane ones, well, there's not much you can do about those. |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
60
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:32:00 -
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I second the Orca for small loads. Fit it for EHP and it becomes a very expensive ship to gank. It has ~40% more hp then T1 freighters and they don't know what your carrying inside the bays. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:05:00 -
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Orca is the best choice for carrying the high value items. It can get 230k+ ehp and has an unscannable corp hangar. This is the ship you want to get if you carry valuable goods regularily. Here's a fit for that. You will want the MWD to get your align time to 10s:
[Orca, Secure Hauler /w MWD & cloak] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
For an easier to train and more affordable ship you could use a double-buffered rokh. Obviously you shouldn't carry anything too valuable in it but even with low skills you should be able to get it into 180k (charon) range easily, and with all level V to 230k. This is for high sec use only. Here's a fit:
[Rokh, Courier] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5
Edit: Loading from the draft ate the last I's from some modules. Tech 2 is better :) |
Bashe Zor
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:10:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)
Low volume high value: use a can inside an AF, tank it a little and fly manually. Unless you're well-known for hauling expensive stuff it is very unlikely you'll be attacked, and even then; an assault frig is a very hard nut to crack.
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BearJews
Android Arms And Industrial Corporation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:24:00 -
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a t3 with covert ops and a interdictor subsystem with warp core stabs in the lows is probably what you are looking for. |
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:37:00 -
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How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great. |
Dodona
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:56:00 -
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Kolya Medz wrote:How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great.
Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs. |
MacrossGalaxy
KVK Refugee camp Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:09:00 -
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Dodona wrote:Kolya Medz wrote:How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great. Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
473
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:12:00 -
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Orca cargo bay #1 option where what's in your bay must not be scanned Unscannable and six-digit EHP with a DCU II + reinforced bulkheads After that a heavily tanked DST
Then move to a less populated system and switch to a cloaky hauler where the threat of being instaganked on station isn't as bad (cloaky haulers can't cloak while undocking and aligning from a station, making them very vulnerable). |
Adacia Calla
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:25:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)
WHY DOES THIS FORUM CUT OFF EVERYTHING I POST >:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Really depends on the amount of cargo you need. In the years I've been flying my Prowler, I've never had a problem with gate camps, especially those idiots that use EM smartbombs, which the Prowler has particularly good resistance to
Another option is a T3 cruiser, preferably a Loki or Tengu due to better shield resist modules etc and just load the lows with Cargo Expanders if need be. That fit holds 1206m3 of cargo, can switch up the rigs/lows if you don't need as much cargo, but it's worked for me running 0.0 and WH camps.
[Loki, Cargo Expanded Cargohold I Expanded Cargohold I Expanded Cargohold I Expanded Cargohold I
Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive Explosion Dampening Amplifier I Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device I Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP
Medium Cargohold Optimization Medium Cargohold Optimization Medium Cargohold Optimization
Loki Defensive - Amplification Nod Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyze Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matri Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguratio Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifie Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
23
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:10:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)
Most cost effective would be a blockade runner I would think. Viator for gallnte i believe?
In empire space it would be very difficult to get ganked while in a cov ops cloaked ship of any kind. Just don't autopilot or anything stupid and make sure you're cloaking immediately.
It would take some very determined people and a very predictable routine on your part to end up ganked in that situation.
This applies to high sec of course. In null sec you'd be better off with a T3. |
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
8
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:22:00 -
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As repeated many many times, there is no suck thing as gank proof. All you can do is take steps ti minimize your exposure.
Rule #1 - Have an off grid instant undock, preferably by a few thousand KM as gankers will often have off grid gank ships as well. This applies to any station you undock from on a regular basis IMO. Undocking is when you are the must vulnerable and why people camp the F out of Jita 4 4 undock.
Rule #2 - Your destination station, you should have a bookmark well within docking range. Warp-2-Zero isn't always zero and can leave you a little bit of time before the ship docks. Sometimes that is all it takes
Rule #3 - Covert Ops or Ceptors fitting for AGI are your best bets. At gates you will have less than two seconds of exposure.
Rule #3.5 - If you want max defenses, a HIC/HAC are your best bets. Scorpians can work well too. They must agress you, you can jam them, just don't use Burst, that will get you a Concordukken. |
WARBRO
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:25:00 -
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Carrier would be best...if planned right. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
5
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:26:00 -
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Dodona wrote:Kolya Medz wrote:How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great. Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs.
High-sec suicide gankers generally don't use smartbombs. |
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Aldeb Haraz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:33:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:High-sec suicide gankers generally don't use smartbombs.
Still no reason to risk it, especially if it is an item with extreme value and people know that you are hauling it
As previously stated, the best ship to transport stuff like this is a ship with a covops cloak (EHP fit recons or T3's ideally, blockade runners are fairly conspicuous, have less EHP, and are more likely to be cargo scanned)
An even more safe option (depending on how good you are at lighting cynos) if youre going to lowsec is to simply jump a jump freighter directly from the trade hub undock to a lowsec system. While this obviously doesnt work in the return direction to a trade-hub, it does gaurantee invulnerability from gankers as long as you dont get bumped off your endpoint station. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
85
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:24:00 -
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Keras Authion wrote:Orca is the best choice for carrying the high value items. It can get 230k+ ehp and has an unscannable corp hangar. This is the ship you want to get if you carry valuable goods regularily. Here's a fit for that. You will want the MWD to get your align time to 10s:
[Orca, Secure Hauler /w MWD & cloak] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
For an easier to train and more affordable ship you could use a double-buffered rokh. Obviously you shouldn't carry anything too valuable in it but even with low skills you should be able to get it into 180k (charon) range easily, and with all level V to 230k. This is for high sec use only. Here's a fit:
This setup = 236.702 EHP remove Power Diagnostic System II add Reinforced Bulkheads II = 299.624 EHP +60k EHP isn't to bad ;). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Simon Magii
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:27:00 -
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I use a blockade runner.
Decent hold for modest size items. Align time and ability to fit a cov-ops cloak mean that they are pretty secure for both High sec and low sec use. Fast warp speed means less time in flight so trips are faster too.
If you use the cloak often you shouldnt be able to be scanned except on undock. Using insta warp points on stations also reduces chance of being scanned.
Never lost one in over 2 years of use.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
143
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:54:00 -
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Use cheap freighter service, pay for extra insurance. |
Marcus Henik
Dark Nebula Academy O X I D E
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:27:00 -
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For high sec autopilot use a Drake rokh, or abbadon fit with a rolflamao buffer tank, scorpion works as well. For galente any of the Bs will work, the idea is to look like a mission runner headed out for whatever. Hide in plain sight. These are the cheap options, otherwise try a orca. For low sec anything that warps fast and can be fit with stabs will do the job. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
227
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:34:00 -
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If you're running an Orca, I recommend throwing some Veldspar in the Ore bay and some random mining stuff in the cargo.
~camouflage~ |
Selw kotsidakia
Three Deep Cuts
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:34:00 -
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Wont say something new but here are my advices for you: a) High sec: Your first bet is a viator(or any blockade runner) with cov ops cloak. Fit meta 4 inertia modfiers on lows if you dont need the expanded cargohold. Your second bet is an orca which can carry 40k in corp hangars. Thats unscannable and doesnt drop if she dies. The fit Keras gave(with 100mn mwd) is the best for trasports as it cuts the align time to 10 seconds from 50 seconds(warp, hit mwd and close it, when mwd goes off you enter warp) For both cases you need insta undock bookmark for the station you use a lot as well as an insta dock one. Both reduces the time you spend near a station near to zero. b)Low sec: Jump freighter is the safest(almost zero risk) hands down. If you want something cheaper for low volume you can go with viator or ceptor.
[Viator, Danger zone] Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Expanded Cargohold II
ECM Burst II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Invulnerability Field II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Has 5400 cargo, enouph for 2 frigates/1 cruiser packaged. You can change the expanded cargohold and the rig to something else if you dont want the space. ECM burst just in case. Tank isnt needed because agility is your best friend, thought an invu never hurts. Align time is at 3.7 seconds without mwd. |
Smarcus Smokus
Donkey Punch Pioneers Sticky Green Acres
4
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:47:00 -
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Billy Kidd wrote:The best way to transport high-value goods is by carrying them in the corporate hangar array of an orca. Items in the corp hangar will never show up on cargo scans, and will never drop upon ship destruction. No sane suicide ganker would blow you up since they would only lose money in the process. As for the insane ones, well, there's not much you can do about those.
I thought they fixed this.
Or is it that customs agents can now see illegal items in the corp hangar? |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.15 21:47:00 -
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WARBRO wrote:Carrier would be best...if planned right.
What sort of planning can get a carrier into high-sec? |
GreenSeed
28
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Posted - 2012.03.15 22:04:00 -
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Smarcus Smokus wrote:Billy Kidd wrote:The best way to transport high-value goods is by carrying them in the corporate hangar array of an orca. Items in the corp hangar will never show up on cargo scans, and will never drop upon ship destruction. No sane suicide ganker would blow you up since they would only lose money in the process. As for the insane ones, well, there's not much you can do about those. I thought they fixed this. Or is it that customs agents can now see illegal items in the corp hangar?
only coustom officers can, players only see the other 2 bays. |
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