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Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Sir Scorpion on 07/07/2008 11:24:13 I know dead horse and beaten to a pulp of mush, but so far the only agreement is not to agree, now I love and hate Nano ships in the same time so itÆs usably like eve-forums in my head when I think about it, and all the internal flaming and smack talk in my head is giving me headaches. So might as well go ahead and give you the solution that me and my self are both happy with. Now since Nano ships are expensive, usually T2 and skill intensive, the counter should be the same to be fair. Now we have a 2nd tear battle curser that atm we donÆt have variations for. So from that comes FLAK BATTERY. ôor somethingö Now flak ships will have flak guns with insane tracking speed, however since flak rounds burst in an Arial matter they send shrapnel all over the place, Now the shrapnel on its self dose normal-small damage. However the faster the ship the faster it will impact the shrapnel resulting in more damage and more hits. Now this is just an idea, it might need some more balance and so on, but it will give a ship to All RaceÆs that will be an effective counter to fast ships, itÆs the logical evolution of weapons. Plus it will give me a Jet black Hurricane with orange/red windows, which I demand even if it dose not fix nanos. Well just and idea, any constructive thoughts please go ahead and share, and if a siege model idea for flak ships will help balance them out ?
justsometrader	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:24:00 - [2] - "unidentified entity ahead" - "on the screen" - "what is it sir ?" - "well it looks...it looks like...FAIL !"
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:26:00 - [3] Is dat sum OMG FLAK approaching my nono ship? - DesuSigs
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:26:00 - [4] Originally by: justsometrader - "unidentified entity ahead" - "on the screen" - "what is it sir ?" - "well it looks...it looks like...FAIL !" why? give a reson? or is that all you do is crtl+c, ctrl+v
justsometrader	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:32:00 - [5] its cuz if flak ownz my nono ship its bad....my nanu ship owns other pilots so its good
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:36:00 - [6] Well, lets just ask for small guns that deal a moderate amount of damage for their class but have very high tracking speed. You still won't perfectly hit an inty go 11k/second, but then again nothing will.
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:38:00 - [7] Hai guyz, how does I shoot web? Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:39:00 - [8] what he means is there ARE counters to nano fleets, in fact if you got off that couch and search these forums you would find it. second, its called tactics, and many of you are WoW kiddies= tactic-less and mostly caldari because just like Warcraft, the caldari missleboats are like the hunter class, easy as hell. L2P girls -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Maceross Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:41:00 - [9] A specialized expensive ship to counter a specialized expensive ship. I like the idea, with a bit of balancing it could work out quite well.
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Maceross A specialized expensive ship to counter a specialized expensive ship. I like the idea, with a bit of balancing it could work out quite well. /me points to the Huginn and Rapier, there you go, your expensive ship to counter the expensive ship... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Maceross Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:43:00 - [11] ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:45:00 - [12] i still think nano ships can have far too much dps but anyway yes there are the huginn and rapier but against a few nano ships they are pretty much useless and will go pop very quickly.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Edited by: Sir Scorpion on 07/07/2008 11:27:22 Edited by: Sir Scorpion on 07/07/2008 11:24:13 I know dead horse and beaten to a pulp of mush, but so far the only agreement is not to agree, now I love and hate Nano ships in the same time so itÆs usably like eve-forums in my head when I think about it, and all the internal flaming and smack talk in my head is giving me headaches. So might as well go ahead and give you the solution that me and my self are both happy with. Now since Nano ships are expensive, usually T2 and skill intensive, the counter should be the same to be fair. Now we have a 2nd tear battle curser that atm we donÆt have variations for. So from that comes FLAK BATTERY. ôor somethingö Now flak ships will have flak guns with insane tracking speed, however since flak rounds burst in an Arial matter they send shrapnel all over the place, Now the shrapnel on its self dose normal-small damage. However the faster the ship the faster it will impact the shrapnel resulting in more damage and more hits. Now this is just an idea, it might need some more balance and so on, but it will give a ship to All RaceÆs that will be an effective counter to fast ships, itÆs the logical evolution of weapons. Plus it will give me a Jet black Hurricane with orange/red windows, which I demand even if it dose not fix nanos. Well just and idea, any constructive thoughts please go ahead and share, and if a siege model idea for flak ships will help balance them out ? its whiners like you who dont actually realise there are counters to nano ships in game!! you ever heard of the huginn? or rapier? or even heavy neutralizers, jammers. use your brain ffs. and stop whining about nano ships, theres enough counters for them. your idea is totally crap btw. if you dont like nanos, dont pvp, there will always be nano ships, and there will always be counters to them, without bringing in more counters!
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:45:00 - [15] Edited by: flashfreaking on 07/07/2008 11:45:56 Making a ship not race specific, what's the fun in that? I like diversity, doing that isn't helping, we already have enough possibilities to kill of a Nano-gang, try thinking for a second... PS: Taka, don't mind, they think we are "smart asses"... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Gonada what he means is there ARE counters to nano fleets, in fact if you got off that couch and search these forums you would find it. second, its called tactics, and many of you are WoW kiddies= tactic-less and mostly caldari because just like Warcraft, the caldari missleboats are like the hunter class, easy as hell. L2P girls Now you are not very smart are you? Right? Calling every one that disagree with you a wow player is just sad, very sad. And you should stop that because some times people donÆt know who are thy talking with and make them selfÆs look ignorant. Ok honey bun? Counters for Nano ships I agree with you, with tactics it can be done, but itÆs not a cross racial solution, like interdictors, or Interceptors, or command ships. What if some one dose not want to train for huggin? What dose he do then?
Lo3d3R Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:51:00 - [17] Originally by: justsometrader - "unidentified entity ahead" - "on the screen" - "what is it sir ?" - "well it looks...it looks like...FAIL !" dunno about fail, but your comment made me ~~giggle like a girl~~ laugh. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:00:00 - [18] Originally by: flashfreaking Edited by: flashfreaking on 07/07/2008 11:45:56 Making a ship not race specific, what's the fun in that? I like diversity, doing that isn't helping, we already have enough possibilities to kill of a Nano-gang, try thinking for a second... PS: Taka, don't mind, they think we are "smart asses"... Now where did I say in my entire post that there are no counters for Nano ships? When and if I will say that, you can come up with the whole ôzomg there are counters noob11!!!ö In regards of a general solution, across all races than thatÆs simply logic, something that eludes many on those so glorious forums. Now lets go back to the 60s..ok? Action-USSR makes ICBMBs. Counter action-USA buys USSR ICBMs? no because they are at a cold war!!! Need me to give you more??
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:05:00 - [19] Combat in EVE? if (Player1.HasNanoShip && !Player2.HasCounterShip) { Player1.Invincible=true; } I herd its liek this. - DesuSigs
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Sir Scorpion What if some one dose not want to train for huggin? What dose he do then? He asks a friend, who does have a Huginn... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? because every race has nano? As I have said before, give me a new t2 line of battleships with a bonus to extend the range of a domination webber to 30km.
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:13:00 - [22] Counters to Nano: ECM (Caldari) Webber (Minmattar) Dampning (Gallente) And no clue for Amarr, sorry guys, but yeah, Amarr is nerfed anyway Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Vladimir Griftin	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? We're all Minmatar, we just don't know it yet. 6 months time I can see my overview now.. Vagabond Vagabond Rapier Rapier Huginn Vagabond Vagabond Vagabond Rapier Rapier Vagabond Vagabond Huginn Vagabond Vagabond Vagabond Oh wait..
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:15:00 - [24] Originally by: flashfreaking Originally by: Sir Scorpion What if some one dose not want to train for huggin? What dose he do then? He asks a friend, who does have a Huginn... and what if is friend dose not want to train for a huginn? this can go on and on for a while :)
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Originally by: flashfreaking Originally by: Sir Scorpion What if some one dose not want to train for huggin? What dose he do then? He asks a friend, who does have a Huginn... and what if is friend dose not want to train for a huginn? this can go on and on for a while :) /me points to post 22 So, all your friends are Amarr? A counter doesn't mean you have to be able to instapop em, making it impossible for them to pop you is good enough for me most of the time imo... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:20:00 - [26] Originally by: flashfreaking Counters to Nano: ECM (Caldari) Webber (Minmattar) Dampning (Gallente) And no clue for Amarr, sorry guys, but yeah, Amarr is nerfed anyway For amarr its a mix of webs, scramblers and lots of nos and neuts. Only problem is holding the nano for long enough to turn off its MWD.
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:21:00 - [27] There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:24:00 - [28] Wait, you want a fancy name for minny guns? FFS projectiles hit nano's perfectly fine. As do pretty much all types of lasers. Stop looking for fixes to things that you haven't looked into properly.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Sir Scorpion I know dead horse and beaten to a pulp of mush, but but... you're going to make a thread anyway. --
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:26:00 - [30] Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area.
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:27:00 - [31] Originally by: flashfreaking /me points to post 22 So, all your friends are Amarr? A counter doesn't mean you have to be able to instapop em, making it impossible for them to pop you is good enough for me most of the time imo... its not suppose to insta pop as a said a small damage, and as i said needs balance, and as I said will not Nerf nanos, but will balance them this will be a T2 battle cruiser not cheep, right? Its just something that will make you ôand meö think twice before picking up on a Non-Nano gang. Add a siege model to it if it will balance it out. LetÆs say without flak battery model active it will do medium damage to normal ships, while with siege mode it will do small damage to fast ships non to normal ships. Simple works for all.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 12:50:05 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area. Or heavy neuts / Nos, or highly skilled Warrior IIs or fan our your gang to cover a much larger area or get command ships that give bonus to web range.... --
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:59:00 - [33] Just give me Nano Missiles and I'll be happy These guided missiles will not do so much damage to slow ships, because of the large speed differential. But they will do a lot of damage to a fast moving ship, due to the smaller speed differential.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 12:50:05 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area. Or heavy neuts / Nos, or highly skilled Warrior IIs or fan our your gang to cover a much larger area or get command ships that give bonus to web range.... I was talking about going solo. As it stands my nos/neut geddon has engaged lots of nanos and killed none of them.
RayBanJockey	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:05:00 - [35] I think the OP has a point... not about the flak obviously that's just ridic, but somehow have a gun/ammo/missile that does more damage to fast targets and less to slow ones - just concoct some sci-fi eve tech explanation like they did for the rest of the game.
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:10:00 - [36] Originally by: RayBanJockey I think the OP has a point... not about the flak obviously that's just ridic, but somehow have a gun/ammo/missile that does more damage to fast targets and less to slow ones - just concoct some sci-fi eve tech explanation like they did for the rest of the game. How on Earth do you see!?! __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Guillight BLue Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 13:16:07 Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 13:15:49 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area. LMAO! This made me actually laugh. Indeed guys, just go train skills for more then a year and farm a a couple billion ISK and get yourself a Titan ^^ All those pirate players are flying Nano's these days. One more reason to stay in HighSec space until you are able to fly one yourself or be able to participate in a PVP fleet. Other than that, LowSec is guarantee suicide if you have less than a dozen million SP trained and able to fly T2 stuff.
Duran	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Duran on 07/07/2008 13:25:46 Originally by: Guillight BLue Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 13:15:49 farm a a couple billion ISK and get yourself a Titan ^^ lol spot the obvious mistake
Guillight BLue Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Duran Edited by: Duran on 07/07/2008 13:25:46 Originally by: Guillight BLue Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 13:15:49 farm a a couple billion ISK and get yourself a Titan ^^ lol spot the obvious mistake Or the sarcasm maybe ;)
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Vladimir Griftin What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? We're all Minmatar, we just don't know it yet. 6 months time I can see my overview now.. Vagabond Vagabond Rapier Rapier Huginn Vagabond Vagabond Vagabond Rapier Rapier Vagabond Vagabond Huginn Vagabond Vagabond Vagabond Oh wait.. You left out a Falcon for worry-free carrier ganking "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Duran	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Guillight BLue Originally by: Duran Edited by: Duran on 07/07/2008 13:25:46 Originally by: Guillight BLue Edited by: Guillight BLue on 07/07/2008 13:15:49 farm a a couple billion ISK and get yourself a Titan ^^ lol spot the obvious mistake Or the sarcasm maybe ;) attempting to disguise ignorance as intention only makes you look silly, boys and girls
Fangedterror Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.07 14:05:00 - [42] Yes sir scorp I do agree with you. Somthing needs to be done but, i do disagree with your idea with flak. Insted i think an interdictor class vessal that shoots a status webafication bubble. Clever eh? The distroyer would shoot a missle or something that would approch the target then explode putting a 20 km bubble around the target and his gangmates. This would slow nanos down long enough for some of them to be webbed by conventioal webbers and stuff. :) Need some Help with EVE? -Guides -Ship Setups -People Singing for their ships -Eve Time Cards -and MORE!!!! www.eve-onlineguides.com
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.07 14:07:00 - [43] Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 14:09:55 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 12:50:05 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area. Or heavy neuts / Nos, or highly skilled Warrior IIs or fan our your gang to cover a much larger area or get command ships that give bonus to web range.... I was talking about going solo. As it stands my nos/neut geddon has engaged lots of nanos and killed none of them. I see. And when you go solo up against a carrier, do you think it's unfair that you can't kill it? What about a sniping BS that's 200km away from you, is that unfair? What about a Falcon or Rook that jams you, is that unfair? If you're basing your whine on nanos because you can't kill one solo ... wow. Just wow. You people have got to learn, not every ship can kill every other ship. Frigates can't usually kill Cruisers, Cruisers can't usually kill battleships, a single ship cannot kill a carrier or dreadnought... Tech 1 frigs can't kill HACs, tech 1 cruisers can't kill battleships* etc. * assuming good piloting skills for both ships. Obviously a thorax will kill an armor tanked laser firing Scorpion etc. If you're *****ing because you can't kill a ship that's faster than you, solo, well, tough. That's the point - you're not MEANT to be able to kill them solo, really. If you're that hell bent on it, go fit an officer web on a rapier and get a 208km 80% webber range. --
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.07 14:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Now since Nano ships are expensive, usually T2 and skill intensive, the counter should be the same to be fair. I like the whole nano game and feel it should be embraced, refined, and expanded upon by the dev team, but this argument is BS. Nothing else in the game follows this logic and if the only way to counter something is with similar numbers of something equally specialized and expensive, then it's not at all balanced. For example, it doesn't take a cruiser to kill a cruiser and it doesn't take a supercap to kill a titan.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.07 14:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 14:09:55 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 07/07/2008 12:50:05 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: flashfreaking There you go... Just use the ships you were given, and find a way to use them... Just to point out this will only make them run away, just like ECM and large amounts of drakes. If you want to kill nano then your going to have to go nano yourself, get a huggin/rapier or a titan to DDD the area. Or heavy neuts / Nos, or highly skilled Warrior IIs or fan our your gang to cover a much larger area or get command ships that give bonus to web range.... I was talking about going solo. As it stands my nos/neut geddon has engaged lots of nanos and killed none of them. I see. And when you go solo up against a carrier, do you think it's unfair that you can't kill it? What about a sniping BS that's 200km away from you, is that unfair? What about a Falcon or Rook that jams you, is that unfair? If you're basing your whine on nanos because you can't kill one solo ... wow. Just wow. You people have got to learn, not every ship can kill every other ship. Frigates can't usually kill Cruisers, Cruisers can't usually kill battleships, a single ship cannot kill a carrier or dreadnought... Tech 1 frigs can't kill HACs, tech 1 cruisers can't kill battleships* etc. * assuming good piloting skills for both ships. Obviously a thorax will kill an armor tanked laser firing Scorpion etc. If you're *****ing because you can't kill a ship that's faster than you, solo, well, tough. That's the point - you're not MEANT to be able to kill them solo, really. If you're that hell bent on it, go fit an officer web on a rapier and get a 208km 80% webber range. You arnt doing the pro nano lobby any favors by sating your not ment to kill nano ships solo... Incidently, why shouldnt my Battleship be able to kill an untanked assault cruiser? I am much larger, sport a better tank and have more powerfull weapons. Most of which are held to be one of the best ways to deal with a nano ship (heavy nos/neuts). Give me a t2 battleship with a web range bonus that extends a domination web out to 30km with max skills and I would be very happy. No nerfs needed.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Siberys Well, lets just ask for small guns that deal a moderate amount of damage for their class but have very high tracking speed. You still won't perfectly hit an inty go 11k/second, but then again nothing will. I think every race in game has at least one ship able to hit perfectly well a 11km/s inty orbiting in disruptor range. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Ralara And when you go solo up against a carrier, do you think it's unfair that you can't kill it? What about a sniping BS that's 200km away from you, is that unfair? What about a Falcon or Rook that jams you, is that unfair? All these ships can be approached and fought, in any ship, even if you will lose. Nanoships cannot be approached except by their counter ships. - DesuSigs
Teimur Leng	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:06:00 - [48] All Nano ships have a counter. Fly a curse :)
Lun Coldwell	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:11:00 - [49] Some sort of balanced flak guns or ships even sounds like an interesting idea. Low to medium AoE damage to counter nano-ships to some degree. The guns/cannons wouldn't even need to have higher tracking speed but could fire at a semi-random location to cover and area with flak projectiles. Another option could be a more manual approach, the user sets the distance and direction from ship to start firing (covering) into, eventually a nano-ship circling would fly into this flak-covered area if the player judges it correctly and the nano-pilot fails to respond quickly/correctly enough. This from a pilot who flies fast ships.
Van Steiza Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:58:00 - [50] I fly a hurricane with 220 IIs and barrage I have 23km fall of any nanoship or ceptor that tries to tackle me either has to run or die because I can track them with there mwd on or off. You guys need to realise you dont need to be specialised to be effective >_> I also have a huginn and rapier but im pointing out that you don tneed to use just specialised ships. Average nano goes 3.5 to 4kms newai . Its when you get snakes that stack with polies that it becomes ridiculous maybe that should be looked at otherwise I think nanoships are just fine take them away and eve will be bland. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? actually every race does have a nano counter caldar = ecm minmatar = webs gallente = damps :not so much as they used to be though) amarr = armor plates so thick that even jesus has trouble bringing them down.......oh and tracking disruptors and neuts (though heavy neuts are good for all bs) Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Corduroy Rab Xenocidal Uprising	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:29:00 - [52] Not gunna touch the nano part of this with a 10-foot pole. In a sense could you say that a form of flak is already in game in the form of bombs? I know it isnt exactly what the op had in mind but you just send the bomb off and it hits everything w/in x distance from it. I know bombs arn't targeted like the OP's idea but they do seem to work in a similar manner where their damage amount is based on sig radius (correct me if I'm wrong), so they hit an mwding ship alot harder than one not mwding. Anyways, nano/anti-nano people continue flaming eachother I always like watching a good bar fight.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Gonada what he means is there ARE counters to nano fleets, in fact if you got off that couch and search these forums you would find it. I'm tired of hearing this argument. Tactics to counter speed tanks and nowhere in-line with tactics to counter shield tanks and/or armor tanks. Tactics are not part of the solution with the problem of nanos. Put 12 straight fit cruisers from every race attacking a shield/armor tank and then put those same twelve on a speed tank, and tell me who has a much greater advantage. Nanos ftw. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:44:00 - [54] Caldari = ECM and Missile boats with velocity bonuses and Explosion Velocity Rigs Gallente = Dampeners and Drone boats with lots of Drone Nav Comps Minmatar = Recons and EAF Hyena, Racial EW (painting and webbing) is perfect for fighting Nanos Amarr = Racial EW kinda helps with Nanos (tracking disruption), Curse with Heavy Neut, Pulse lasers There ya go, that is all you need to know. Just don't be a tard and expect to beat nano ships with a non-antinano setup. It is rock, paper, scissors. Paper just doesn't beat scissors... unless scissors' client crashes. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ralara And when you go solo up against a carrier, do you think it's unfair that you can't kill it? What about a sniping BS that's 200km away from you, is that unfair? What about a Falcon or Rook that jams you, is that unfair? All these ships can be approached and fought, in any ship, even if you will lose. Nanoships cannot be approached except by their counter ships. So? You can approach that Falcon all you want, but you'll never lock it. You can approach that Rapier all you want but at 10 m/s it'll take you a very long time :p You can approach the dreadnought all you want but you wont break it's tank... All of those ships, normally, require either a lot of thought or a small gang (2 or 3 people sometimes) to kill them. Same for nano ships. There's plenty of ways to kill them but you just don't try, you whinge instead. What is so difficult about putting a Rapier or two in your gang? Unless it's a nano-blob they will keep away from you. If they're stupid enough to engage, you can lock at least 4 of them down easily enough at 50km ranges... --
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Wannabehero Paper just doesn't beat scissors... unless scissors' client crashes. ... And that's why no nano ship has ever been killed before. Because, you know, nano-ships are invincible. They cannot be killed by any means. It's not possible --
Arvald Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:56:00 - [57] wana have some real nano killing fun? get a rapier, falcon, arzu, curse and passived ferox (for bait) together and just play the waiting game Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Maceross Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Pithecanthropus I'm tired of hearing this argument. Tactics to counter speed tanks and nowhere in-line with tactics to counter shield tanks and/or armor tanks. Tactics are not part of the solution with the problem of nanos. Put 12 straight fit cruisers from every race attacking a shield/armor tank and then put those same twelve on a speed tank, and tell me who has a much greater advantage. Nanos ftw. This is exactly the correct point.
Cambarus RillaCorp Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Maceross Originally by: Pithecanthropus I'm tired of hearing this argument. Tactics to counter speed tanks and nowhere in-line with tactics to counter shield tanks and/or armor tanks. Tactics are not part of the solution with the problem of nanos. Put 12 straight fit cruisers from every race attacking a shield/armor tank and then put those same twelve on a speed tank, and tell me who has a much greater advantage. Nanos ftw. This is exactly the correct point. It's actually not... The easiest way to counter nanos is just different from the easiest way to counter heavy tanks (aside from training a similar type of ship). Is it really fair to say that nanos are broken because using numbers alone won't work? Not when using ewar alone won't kill a heavy tank. Put a handful of recons up against a well tanked BS (billion isk+ tank) and see what happens. The result will be the same as if you put a handful of cruisers against a nanoship. Before the age of nanowhines people always complained about blobs. There's no way to compete with bigger numbers! They cried. Then came the discovery of nanoships. All of a sudden, it was possible to fight without needing to make sure you had more guys then the opposition. It became viable to pvp in small gangs. This greatly irritated the less-then-average players, who had become comfy in their larger fleets and did not want to bother to train counters to this new threat. If they had better tanks and more dps, why should their opponent stand a chance? Also it's worth noting that 12 cruisers against a carrier or dread tank (which is in line with the high end nanos in terms of cost) won't accomplish anything except dying a horrible death. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Cambarus Is it really fair to say that nanos are broken because using numbers alone won't work? Not when using ewar alone won't kill a heavy tank. When you compare DPS to tanks... speed tanks rule. Numbers are not the issue, its the damage. Quote: Put a handful of recons up against a well tanked BS (billion isk+ tank) and see what happens. The result will be the same as if you put a handful of cruisers against a nanoship. don't know what you mean here, but unless you play a different game, a handful of recons can easily kill a well tanked BS. Quote: Before the age of nanowhines people always complained about blobs. There's no way to compete with bigger numbers! They cried. Then came the discovery of nanoships. All of a sudden, it was possible to fight without needing to make sure you had more guys then the opposition. It became viable to pvp in small gangs. This greatly irritated the less-then-average players, who had become comfy in their larger fleets and did not want to bother to train counters to this new threat. If they had better tanks and more dps, why should their opponent stand a chance? what you say is pointless. the issue now is about nano fleets having every advantage on their side. Big numbers give you an advantage if you can form big numbers. Nano's give you an advantage just cuz you can fly the ship. There's a difference between a fleet formed and an imbalanced ship. Quote: Also it's worth noting that 12 cruisers against a carrier or dread tank (which is in line with the high end nanos in terms of cost) won't accomplish anything except dying a horrible death. cost? what does cost have to do with anything? Zero factor. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:22:00 - [61] Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 07/07/2008 18:29:35 I support this idea, with some work this idea could work out nicely. To all you idiots that say there are counters already. There is nothing wrong with having more counters and having a ship for each race to fit that role would help or would you all rather have the nano ships nerfed into oblivion? Maybe more counters would cut down on the Nano rage while still making them a viable salution. Plus a Black Hurricane sounds rad! Maybe the myrm can get a bonus to drone mwd speed and tracking along with its tanking bonus and drone damage/hitpoints. Now that I think about it the drake would need some type of bonus to help the missiles hit fast targets, Maybe a explosion radius bonus and precision bonus along with a missile velocity and its tanking bonus. Flame on! Edit added drake idea DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:24:00 - [62] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Wannabehero Paper just doesn't beat scissors... unless scissors' client crashes. ... And that's why no nano ship has ever been killed before. Because, you know, nano-ships are invincible. They cannot be killed by any means. It's not possible Paper just doesn't beat scissors reliably... unless scissors' client crashes. Fixed for the ambiguity. Didn't mean for it to sound that nano-ships are unbeatable except by specific setups, just meant for it to state that if you want to more effectively counter nano-ships you need to adjust your setup and tactics. Nano-ships are by no means invincible. -- Don't harsh my mellow

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Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:36:00 - [64] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ralara And when you go solo up against a carrier, do you think it's unfair that you can't kill it? What about a sniping BS that's 200km away from you, is that unfair? What about a Falcon or Rook that jams you, is that unfair? All these ships can be approached and fought, in any ship, even if you will lose. Nanoships cannot be approached except by their counter ships. So? You can approach that Falcon all you want, but you'll never lock it. You can approach that Rapier all you want but at 10 m/s it'll take you a very long time :p You can approach the dreadnought all you want but you wont break it's tank... So this is the difference between a one sided fight and a fight you can't even take part in. Every one of those ships loses their advantages if I bring more ships that they can lock. Against nanos, most ships can't even take part, so a fleet of non-counter ships are useless against them. And as for bringing a counter, if we are going to have pure counter gameplay, we may as well replace nanos with a paper lowslot module, which makes them fully invincible to everything except a scissors module. Why even bother with the pretence of an actual fight? - DesuSigs
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:49:00 - [65] Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 07/07/2008 18:54:09 Originally by: Fangedterror Yes sir scorp I do agree with you. Somthing needs to be done but, i do disagree with your idea with flak. Insted i think an interdictor class vessal that shoots a status webafication bubble. Clever eh? The distroyer would shoot a missle or something that would approch the target then explode putting a 20 km bubble around the target and his gangmates. This would slow nanos down long enough for some of them to be webbed by conventioal webbers and stuff. :) This is a fantastic idea as well, I would feel bad for the guy driving one of these as he wont have a ship very long but this would not only help break up Nano fleets but would also help combat the blob. Who the heck wants to be caught in a web bubble when someone screams TITAN! shudders Edit Only problem with this salution, I think it would more then likely only be a 0.0 counter. I doubt CCP would let you use them in low sec and empire just the same as bombs/bubbles. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Flamewave Crimson Moon Society	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:52:00 - [66] Forget nanos, I just want the flak guns. __________
Kilostream Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:54:00 - [67] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? QFT - the nano-moaners beggar belief when counters already exist. The other thing is, if for some reason you don't want to train minmatar, then you don't have to - you just need to make sure that part of your support fleet consists of huginn or rapier to provide anti-nano support in the same way you make sure part of your support fleet consists of falcon or rook to provide ECM capability. If you're flying around with a half-assed support fleet why are you surprised when you get half-assed results? On a side note, I went out in a certain big, slow Amarr ship the other day that may have had it's ship bonuses adjusted recently. I won't go into specific detail, but I was ab-so-lutely spannering unwebbed hostile support ships at ranges of over 100km with short-range guns - so believe me, huginns and rapiers are not the only anti-nano tools out there (they're just very good ones! :p)
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Kilostream Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Maceross ok then, a specialized NON RACE SPECIFIC ship. Smart arse. What's wrong with training for minmatar? Every race has its strengths and weaknesses, why should every race have an uber nano counter? QFT - the nano-moaners beggar belief when counters already exist. The other thing is, if for some reason you don't want to train minmatar, then you don't have to - you just need to make sure that part of your support fleet consists of huginn or rapier to provide anti-nano support in the same way you make sure part of your support fleet consists of falcon or rook to provide ECM capability. If you're flying around with a half-assed support fleet why are you surprised when you get half-assed results? On a side note, I went out in a certain big, slow Amarr ship the other day that may have had it's ship bonuses adjusted recently. I won't go into specific detail, but I was ab-so-lutely spannering unwebbed hostile support ships at ranges of over 100km with short-range guns - so believe me, huginns and rapiers are not the only anti-nano tools out there (they're just very good ones! :p) About time the Apoc is useful again! DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Ekrid	Posted - 2008.07.07 20:42:00 - [69] Originally by: Crumplecorn Combat in EVE? if (Player1.HasNanoShip && !Player2.HasCounterShip) { Player1.Invincible=true; } I herd its liek this. /me heard same. BTW, calm down cause nanos are getting nerfed, and thats a fact.
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2008.07.08 08:21:00 - [70] Originally by: Ekrid Originally by: Crumplecorn Combat in EVE? if (Player1.HasNanoShip && !Player2.HasCounterShip) { Player1.Invincible=true; } I herd its liek this. thats whats this post is trying to do, help fix it without the uber nerf. /me heard same. BTW, calm down cause nanos are getting nerfed, and thats a fact.
Zarch AlDain Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Wannabehero Caldari = ECM and Missile boats with velocity bonuses and Explosion Velocity Rigs Gallente = Dampeners and Drone boats with lots of Drone Nav Comps Minmatar = Recons and EAF Hyena, Racial EW (painting and webbing) is perfect for fighting Nanos Amarr = Racial EW kinda helps with Nanos (tracking disruption), Curse with Heavy Neut, Pulse lasers There ya go, that is all you need to know. Just don't be a tard and expect to beat nano ships with a non-antinano setup. It is rock, paper, scissors. Paper just doesn't beat scissors... unless scissors' client crashes. Work out the explosion velocity on those Caldari ships you just suggested sometime. Zarch AlDain ---- My corp is recruiting. See the recruitment thread here.
Wieselflinke	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:21:00 - [72] Originally by: justsometrader - "unidentified entity ahead" - "on the screen" - "what is it sir ?" - "well it looks...it looks like...FAIL !" Brrrr, your nerd-humor makes me cringe.
Maus Bailey International House of PWNCakes Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:24:00 - [73] Quote: I just want the flak guns. I thought this is what artillery cannons were when I first started playing. Was sad to find out they were just slower firing rail guns with shite tracking. lol alpha strike.
CTec Wasting Time Specialists	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:22:00 - [74] Would the Flak gun be a non faction device? Amarr being an energy based weapons user would have been left out otherwise. The ROF would have to be high to be useful. Also I would suggest the ammo be a constant on the damage but have range differences. WWII flak guns had fuses that were user set. Gun crews found range, did a little math and set fuses for that range. We could have set ranges 20km, 40km, etc and collisions would always cause damage. Damage type would have to be set so as to not have 300 different round types in Flak. I personally would like to see explosive/kinetic for area detonations and added thermal if a collision hit occurs. Just my 2 cents. Nothing Clever to Say.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Originally by: Wannabehero Caldari = ECM and Missile boats with velocity bonuses and Explosion Velocity Rigs Gallente = Dampeners and Drone boats with lots of Drone Nav Comps Minmatar = Recons and EAF Hyena, Racial EW (painting and webbing) is perfect for fighting Nanos Amarr = Racial EW kinda helps with Nanos (tracking disruption), Curse with Heavy Neut, Pulse lasers There ya go, that is all you need to know. Just don't be a tard and expect to beat nano ships with a non-antinano setup. It is rock, paper, scissors. Paper just doesn't beat scissors... unless scissors' client crashes. Work out the explosion velocity on those Caldari ships you just suggested sometime. For a Caracal or Cerb launching precision lights with 2x Warhead Flares it comes out to 5850 m/s with an explosion falloff of 1500 m/s (50% damage at 7350 m/s). DPS is wanting (~200 for the Cerb, 150 for the Caracal) from light missiles but a nano-ship will bug-out after a short while. Not the best solution but it is a viable option. The Hawk can also achieve similar results for precision lights, but in general the Caracal performs way better than the Hawk and at a third of the price. A precision light launching crow does sad sad lolDPS but will also be able to hit nano'ed targets for reliable, if laughable, DPS. It will also be a fat, easy to hit target. The flycatcher can also do about 130 DPS to high-speed targets with precision lights, but will be dead far to soon to actually be a threat. You get the idea. Here's a list of faction cruisers that can field precision lights in a manner that they cannot be ignored by nano-ships. Navy Caracal (~180 DPS) Navy Osprey (~130 DPS) Gila (lol) (~120 DPS) All other missiles are crap for hitting nano-speed targets (>3kms) but we all know that already. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Maglietto	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:49:00 - [76] crappy tread. nano live!
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:15:00 - [77] Combat in EVE? if (Player1.HasECMship && !Player2.HasECCM) { Player1.Invincible=true; } or like this. a scorpion with 600 mil equipment, max skills, command bonus and a implants could easily hold off a few enemies and both nano's and ecm have counters (eccm, neuts vs neuts, webs). where nano's can run away scorpian make it impossible for you to target their friends either. As for the original idea, the best way to implement the idea would be similar to the gas damaging clouds in gas cloud harvesting or mercoxit mining.... If it was to be done I'd make it affect friendly units as well and make it based on sig radius.

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