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Sophine Fortre
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:44:00 -
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If you were an FC, what should would you bring? What ship choices lend themselves towards an FC position? What ship choices make you, as the FC, a target in a small/mid gang/fleet situation?
What things shall do you consider when you fit a ship for FC'ing? Maximum tank, low gank? or do you simply fit the ship as you typically do? Where is your rational behind this?
As an FC, do you expect to get primaried? Does the fact that the enemies know that you are an FC effect your ship choice? (ie, will you fly a low priority ship as an FC, in hopes that you wont get hit?) Or do you do the opposite, fly a high priority ship just trying to get shot at?
Please, give me your secrets. Feel free to post as alts so you dont give away that you are an FC if you want ^^
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:45:00 -
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Arbitrator o/\o
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:47:00 -
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I'm thinking drake. Not because it's a good ship but because it has a great tank and is never called primary.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:54:00 -
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Buffer tanked bs, assume primary always. It's always easiest to remote rep the fc.
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Wayay Bonnylad
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:00:00 -
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Cloaked cov ops frigate. If he doesn't get shot at he doesn't need to leave the battle.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 13/07/2008 00:02:08
Depends on the size of the gang and how big the FC is in the eve community.
Lets say your joe somebody in a fleet battle, you would probably go with a ship that never really gets primaried first or a cov ops(I used scout ships as a FC mainly because its so much easier if YOUR the one looking at the gatecamp your going to break).
If your oh say seleene in a fleet battle you have 2 choices, mothership or cov ops.
If its a small scale engagement you want to still tilt towards tank if your seleene but if your joe somebody then go for a ship like everybody else.
Hope this helps.
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steveid
All Hallows Eve
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:01:00 -
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broadsword or onyx. They are very hard to kill, very important in fleets and your in control of point / bubble.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
broadsword or onyx. They are very hard to kill, very important in fleets and your in control of point / bubble.
This aswell but I still recommend a cov ops.... Im tellin ya, its soo valuable to be able to scout yourself instead of asking a lacky whos at the gate.
Not to mention you cant shoot what you cant see in eve.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:07:00 -
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Good FC's are in Covops, and/or are actually involved in the battle under a different name than Vent/TS.
-Liang
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Good FC's are in Covops, and/or are actually involved in the battle under a different name than Vent/TS.
-Liang
Wow good tip liang, I never even thought of that...
Though I wasnt really well known and I doubt there were spies...
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:13:00 -
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Yup, certainly depends.
If your enemies know who you are, or that you're likely to be FC, you want to have a super huge mega tank (and this is probably not going to save you), or a covert ops.
If your enemies don't know who you are, you want a big tank, or fly a ship like the ferox.
"Sir, is that a nighthawk?"
"No... I think it says.. Ferox. Johnson, are you familiar with this ship?"
"I think it's useless sir"
"Right, ignore it"
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:19:00 -
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Assuming you mean the FC as in the guy who is directing the fleet, then covops.
If you mean the guy who has the "Fleet Commander" position in the gang hierarchy then I would be in a Fleet Command Ship (the name says it all really!) purely because in combination with good skills (and mindlinks) its the most effective ship for boosting the rest of the gang.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:22:00 -
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Vigils imho.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:23:00 -
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Yes at first glance cov ops seems like a good idea at first but it has one huge flaw. You cant see enemy hp so you have no idea if your primary is going down or not etc. Thats pretty vital infomation tbh when target calling
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
Yes at first glance cov ops seems like a good idea at first but it has one huge flaw. You cant see enemy hp so you have no idea if your primary is going down or not etc. Thats pretty vital infomation tbh when target calling
Well you surely wouldnt be able to see it if you just got podkilled either .
If its a normal sized fleet you wouldnt stumble on ships onless their repping eachother or its a carrier your trying to bring down so its usually a case of if he pops you call the new secondary.
If its a small gang under 10 I usually just flew an inty(my point is well needed, could run if im in big enough trouble and can scout ahead like normal.
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Noisrevbus
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.13 01:46:00 -
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First off, props for an interesting topic!
Secondly, a qoute that i belive put an important piece of this puzzle in focus:
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Assuming you mean the FC as in the guy who is directing the fleet, then covops.
If you mean the guy who has the "Fleet Commander" position in the gang hierarchy then I would be in a Fleet Command Ship (the name says it all really!) purely because in combination with good skills (and mindlinks) its the most effective ship for boosting the rest of the gang.
See, in theory, the Command ships are the ships for commanders. That sounds a bit obvious and hollow doesn't it? Well, building on what Coffeine Junkie mentioned above; Command ships do not only provide gang bonuses, they also have naturally supertough tanks and little on-site demands beyond that (leaving room for leading). They were built with Command in mind.
That's where theory leaves blank for practise though. There are a number of things that doesn't make them ideal to FC in. Not only the mentioned risk of being primaried, but also the mechanics behind how gang boosting work, how the tank (while still very good) may not be good enough in simple comparison from a 'bang for the buck' perspective (as it often entail with tech II ships that don't fit the leading nisches of Nano or Cloak/ECM - in short, alot of tech two cost more than it give, with narrow roles, compared to lesser tech one options):
For example, a CS have an incredibly good tank, but it's still not good enough in comparison to cheaper, insurable, BS-options with a wider application - especially not when the 'fleet structure' role can be handled by CS pilots sitting behind POS shields or at a safespot/field repair spot and just manage gang invites, while providing their bonuses at range while someone else FC from a Covops, BS or whatever else has already been mentioned in this thread.
Personally, i would love to see a more participating application for the CS, wether that is achieved by buffing them up and/or nerfing certain features that uphold the current situation. Right now, the game mechanics do not let theory apply itself in action.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Noisrevbus
First off, props for an interesting topic!
Secondly, a qoute that i belive put an important piece of this puzzle in focus:
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Assuming you mean the FC as in the guy who is directing the fleet, then covops.
If you mean the guy who has the "Fleet Commander" position in the gang hierarchy then I would be in a Fleet Command Ship (the name says it all really!) purely because in combination with good skills (and mindlinks) its the most effective ship for boosting the rest of the gang.
See, in theory, the Command ships are the ships for commanders. That sounds a bit obvious and hollow doesn't it? Well, building on what Coffeine Junkie mentioned above; Command ships do not only provide gang bonuses, they also have naturally supertough tanks and little on-site demands beyond that (leaving room for leading). They were built with Command in mind.
That's where theory leaves blank for practise though. There are a number of things that doesn't make them ideal to FC in. Not only the mentioned risk of being primaried, but also the mechanics behind how gang boosting work, how the tank (while still very good) may not be good enough in simple comparison from a 'bang for the buck' perspective (as it often entail with tech II ships that don't fit the leading nisches of Nano or Cloak/ECM - in short, alot of tech two cost more than it give, with narrow roles, compared to lesser tech one options):
For example, a CS have an incredibly good tank, but it's still not good enough in comparison to cheaper, insurable, BS-options with a wider application - especially not when the 'fleet structure' role can be handled by CS pilots sitting behind POS shields or at a safespot/field repair spot and just manage gang invites, while providing their bonuses at range while someone else FC from a Covops, BS or whatever else has already been mentioned in this thread.
Personally, i would love to see a more participating application for the CS, wether that is achieved by buffing them up and/or nerfing certain features that uphold the current situation. Right now, the game mechanics do not let theory apply itself in action.
I agree, its sad really.
I would like to see more command modules, more command skills and maybe even a bs sized CS(has very limited weaponry but deliver an awesome tank and a large number of possible command mods).
When most people fly CS's(even fleet ones)they usually either dont fit out with ganglinks, or just sit at a SS or pos the entire time with the boat.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.13 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Firkragg
Yes at first glance cov ops seems like a good idea at first but it has one huge flaw. You cant see enemy hp so you have no idea if your primary is going down or not etc. Thats pretty vital infomation tbh when target calling
Well you surely wouldnt be able to see it if you just got podkilled either.
If its a normal sized fleet you wouldnt stumble on ships onless their repping eachother or its a carrier your trying to bring down so its usually a case of if he pops you call the new secondary.
If its a small gang under 10 I usually just flew an inty(my point is well needed, could run if im in big enough trouble and can scout ahead like normal.
So then how exactly are you going to tell if that scorpion you are shooting is ecm fit or has a huge shield buffer designed to waste your time. Seriously you need to be able to monitor your primarys and secondarys in orders to see how your doing. The most important tool to an FC is infomation and this is important info.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.07.13 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Firkragg
Yes at first glance cov ops seems like a good idea at first but it has one huge flaw. You cant see enemy hp so you have no idea if your primary is going down or not etc. Thats pretty vital infomation tbh when target calling
Well you surely wouldnt be able to see it if you just got podkilled either.
If its a normal sized fleet you wouldnt stumble on ships onless their repping eachother or its a carrier your trying to bring down so its usually a case of if he pops you call the new secondary.
If its a small gang under 10 I usually just flew an inty(my point is well needed, could run if im in big enough trouble and can scout ahead like normal.
So then how exactly are you going to tell if that scorpion you are shooting is ecm fit or has a huge shield buffer designed to waste your time. Seriously you need to be able to monitor your primarys and secondarys in orders to see how your doing. The most important tool to an FC is infomation and this is important info.
I guess this is a matter of perspective. A scorpion fielding a huge tank in a larger fleet battle still falls laughably quickly. Information can be fed to the FC though a variety of routes. Ultimately, while perfect information and 100% surival odds are best, you won't really get both very well. The closest you can get is an alt in a Cov Ops, and you in your normal FC ship. If you do get popped at least you still have your alt, who will certainly have better situational awareness than you will when waiting for your hanger to load.
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PirceHat
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:01:00 -
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FC's generally have a covops alt, and a main in the battle. In large fleet battles generally there are multiple (up to four or five) designated target callers. FC (in large fleet battles) will often not even be calling targets, but rather making tactical decisions.
In smaller battles (20v20 fex) a battleship or commandship is nice.
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DamienV
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:05:00 -
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use a pod, because if you are well known, you will be in one shortly!
everyone has already said it, cov ops are awesome, use em. For cap ship combat, be in a cap ship, FC needs to always be with the gang.
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Sophine Fortre
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:15:00 -
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lol i try not to make cookie cutter topics 
Anyhow, it seems that the ship of choice for an actual FC is a cov ops...
and I can definatly agree that a cov ops is rather good idea, knowing what the enemies have first hand is agreeably a good deal. But that leaves, who actually moves the fleet from place to place? If the fleet needs to be moved, then who shall be in the position to fleet warp the group?
As well, for a small gang I can see how a command ship would work well... The problem becomes, in an incompetent fleet, what happens when they fail at keeping you alive? I am thinking a damnation for this, buffer tanked (with a bit of personal tank)... This seems the ideal idea, given that it can provide gang bonuses and such to the gang while providing a rather nice tank in case of primary, and is able to touch stuff with heavy missiles... not much dps, but it gets you on the mail.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 13/07/2008 03:21:03
Edited by: goodby4u on 13/07/2008 03:19:51
Originally by: Sophine Fortre
lol i try not to make cookie cutter topics
Anyhow, it seems that the ship of choice for an actual FC is a cov ops...
and I can definatly agree that a cov ops is rather good idea, knowing what the enemies have first hand is agreeably a good deal. But that leaves, who actually moves the fleet from place to place? If the fleet needs to be moved, then who shall be in the position to fleet warp the group?
As well, for a small gang I can see how a command ship would work well... The problem becomes, in an incompetent fleet, what happens when they fail at keeping you alive? I am thinking a damnation for this, buffer tanked (with a bit of personal tank)... This seems the ideal idea, given that it can provide gang bonuses and such to the gang while providing a rather nice tank in case of primary, and is able to touch stuff with heavy missiles... not much dps, but it gets you on the mail.
You or your second in command warps the gang(depending if you have an alt or not)..... Or if you wish instead of scouting a couple jumps ahead you move with the fleet and just jump through first to check the other side.
And do you even need to ask what would happen if your fleet fails to keep you alive?
Also this would be easier if we knew the ballpark of what size fleets your talking about.... IE would you be listening to this when your flying along?
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Sophine Fortre
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Posted - 2008.07.13 04:05:00 -
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lets see...I dont have an alt, yet...
And you make good points, if the fleet cant keep the fc alive then your screwed anyhow.
I will be starting with small gangs (to teach myself mostly, i need to get myself acquainted with the finer points of FCing before I am allowed to command larger gangs)... also, I dont currently have a corp with large enough numbers to let me FC... might be joining a such corp soon, hopefully.
But yea, smallish (5 members maybe? lol), then hopefully more like 20 (might go back go FW and /try/ to get those idiots to make a proper gang, but meh, at that point it doesnt really matter what I fly). But yea, I really need a good corp ^^
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.13 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 13/07/2008 04:14:07
Originally by: Sophine Fortre
lets see...I dont have an alt, yet...
And you make good points, if the fleet cant keep the fc alive then your screwed anyhow.
I will be starting with small gangs (to teach myself mostly, i need to get myself acquainted with the finer points of FCing before I am allowed to command larger gangs)... also, I dont currently have a corp with large enough numbers to let me FC... might be joining a such corp soon, hopefully.
But yea, smallish (5 members maybe? lol), then hopefully more like 20 (might go back go FW and /try/ to get those idiots to make a proper gang, but meh, at that point it doesnt really matter what I fly). But yea, I really need a good corp ^^
Id fly a battleship with only 5 members, above 20 start worrying about your own safety.
Oh and also, if this is going to be your first time FCing your going to fail, trust me either you wont get any action or get blown up(ie my first on I purposely jumped out 20 man cruiser gang into a 60+ smashkill gang because we were so bored).
Most people hated it, but with the heavy metal I was blearing I couldnt hear their screams.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.13 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 13/07/2008 04:24:32
Wrong thread, oops.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.13 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Id fly a battleship with only 5 members, above 20 start worrying about your own safety.
Oh and also, if this is going to be your first time FCing your going to fail, trust me either you wont get any action or get blown up(ie my first on I purposely jumped out 20 man cruiser gang into a 60+ smashkill gang because we were so bored).
Most people hated it, but with the heavy metal I was blearing I couldnt hear their screams.
This man speaks the truth.
-Liang
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.13 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wayay Bonnylad
Cloaked cov ops frigate. If he doesn't get shot at he doesn't need to leave the battle.
This.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.13 08:13:00 -
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"Good FCs" are made great through good scouts, proper fleet setups etc...
A properly fitted Gang with 50+ BSs will pop another BS within 10sec. It's not actually not "mandatory" to lock the primary yourself in order to "feel the battle".
What good FCing needs, is mutual trust between him, his scouts and each and every gang member (wow - that was deep  )
The good FC cares to bring the Victory for the fleet under it's command, not to survive in his Cov Ops and slow-boat back to base cloaked alone...
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Posted - 2008.07.13 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis
The good FC cares to bring the Victory for the fleet under it's command, not to survive in his Cov Ops and slow-boat back to base cloaked alone...
Its not about being afraid of losing the ship, its about being there for the full battle to give orders.
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
"Sir, is that a nighthawk?"
"No... I think it says.. Ferox. Johnson, are you familiar with this ship?"
"I think it's useless sir"
"Right, ignore it"
I lol'd
All FCs fly tripple-plated damnations with trimarks and HG slaves...
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R McGunne
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Posted - 2008.07.13 08:45:00 -
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FC should fly a CovOps. Being a good FC is about tactics. You need the ability to assess the situation (have good situational awareness), and remain in control of the fleet. If you are in the heat of battle yourself it is difficult to remain calm and in control. Your primary tools are Voice Comms, Scouts, and Tactical Overview. You should also monitor your own fleet members - add the likely primaries to your watchlist, which will give you a good indication of your fleet health. Your own fleet's health and positioning is far more important.
This also comes down to knowing which targets to call. You want to remove jamming ships first (increasing your own damage output), and reduce incoming damage as quick as possible. Calling a CS primary for the sake of it being a high points kill is the wrong reason, if its the main damage dealer then do so. In the end its a numbers game (not amount of ships but DPS output) - its the FC/fleet that knows how to apply damage that holds the field.
The FC is not always the Booster, and in most cases would not be. Use Wing Commanders and Squad Commanders to provide boosts to different logical groupings of your fleet. Therefore flying a Command Ship as FC is not a great idea except for small fleets. You do not want your fleet booster and FC to be removed from the battlefield too quickly. |
Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.13 09:17:00 -
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Just an idea, what would happen with balance if CS and similar provided significantly larger gang boost if they are on same grid with the gang.
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Hannibal218
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Posted - 2008.07.13 09:22:00 -
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I think, that as some people stated here before, that the size of the fleet/gang you are going to be in matters
it would be great to have wing commanders and squad commanders, and fleet boosters, scouts, repair ships etc
but if the gang is up to 10 people or even 5 this is not a case and sacrificing a ship (covert ops instead of a dps ship) greatly decreases your streangth.
i agree that a FC should have a huge tank, maybe a drake or a vulture or even a nighthawk. even if its primaried if the fleet wins its good. ofcourse when using costly ships, the FC should go in with the notion that he/she will probably lose them.
the FC should also know the limitations of the fleet and try to engage in places where its not a total loss guarenteed :)
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slothe
Caldari
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:05:00 -
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you can generally tell whether a fc is decent in the time it takes to setup the gang.
in the past ive been so unimpressed with some fc that by the time the gangs been formed, ive joined and left.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:32:00 -
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Ours tend to fly a battleship and a tackler/dictor on their other account.
e are all secretly women who are awesome at multitasking.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
you can generally tell whether a fc is decent in the time it takes to setup the gang.
in the past ive been so unimpressed with some fc that by the time the gangs been formed, ive joined and left.
I usually join a gang and do other stuff for the hour it takes to get going. Then I go to where they are.
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Can you nano Titans?
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Akyla
Bears Inc
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: "DamienV"
For me, there is a difference between FC and someone calling targets. The people calling targets need to be able to see the HP, but someone also needs to be looking at the larger picture...When to warp out, when to stay, are there more targets coming in...ETC.
This is what I usually see as well. The FC is ultimately responsible (obviously in larger gangs) but appoints others to call targets. That way he has more time to gather info and his 'target caller' gets blown up he can assign someone else, keeping the gang from falling apart.
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Horizon Taker
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:48:00 -
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My FC's usually fly an ewar ship of whatever class fleet their leading. So like a Blackbird or a Scorpion, which snipes far away from the fleet. Worst case scenario? A ship or two make their way to him, and he has a bit of support take them down while he jams them.
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Laura Loquacious
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Posted - 2008.07.13 11:10:00 -
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Rapier
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Rennion
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Posted - 2008.07.13 11:41:00 -
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Well, the best FC's fly a ship the gang needs.
A side-effect of being a good FC is being in a good corp that has people who can take over if the FC gets popped in a fight.
It's no good turning up to FC in a drake if the gang is missing a recon. In fact I'd say it makes you a pretty shitty FC.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.13 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 13/07/2008 12:46:24
Originally by: Hannibal218
I think, that as some people stated here before, that the size of the fleet/gang you are going to be in matters
it would be great to have wing commanders and squad commanders, and fleet boosters, scouts, repair ships etc
but if the gang is up to 10 people or even 5 this is not a case and sacrificing a ship (covert ops instead of a dps ship) greatly decreases your streangth.
That's what I think too...
When some ppl think of FCs or Fleets in general, do they naturally assume that they will be in huge guns with not sortage in dps, tackle or ewar in general? The FC contributes in a small-medium, even large gang just as every other member should. Bringing a BS when DPS is needed, ewar (recons) when he favours tactics more etc...
And of course each and every good FC should also pick out a decent "second in command" pilot that can take over ASAP something happens, instead of bringing a super tank ship mediocre in other areas or a cov ops as a guarantee against his mates' panicking.
Good FCing is far from just calling primaries etc, so many ppl can learn to do it decently after a while...
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:04:00 -
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- small gang - superfast scout/tackler: Find targets and pin them for your gang to destroy.
- medium gang/gate camp - heavy cruiser with formidable tank: allows you go get into the action and take decisions based on first hand data
- large gang/fleet op - covert ops or falcon: if you die you can't do anything useful anymore
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:44:00 -
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dunno how most operate but this is how id be:
id have 2 chars:
one is my main who is in the fleet... lets say its a big BS fleet.. then id be in a fleet BS.
second is a alt in cov ops/cloak recon.
reason for having 2 chars.... if you get popped on your main you can still make tactical decisions from your alt.
usually most FC in really big fleets dont target call anyways much... depends on the fleet and the setup ofc.
if a FC is taken out of battle first and he cant coomand anymore... the battle can be lost rather easy if there arent any good backup guys around in the fleet.
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Sophine Fortre
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Posted - 2008.07.13 21:05:00 -
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Excellent, thanks for the advice all around.
Many thanks to you all. 
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar
Quantum Warriors
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:09:00 -
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if the FC is flying with a single account.... he'll fly what hes good at flying (or capable or skilled at or which ever ship he wants, feels he will last) Simple enough he's FC for his ability at playing and keeping calm, usually cause he knows what he's doing in his ship and can stay alive!
That said, most use multi char, as one is known and one is not known. Plus, good fc's will be known in the systems they exploit for easy targets. So its nice to have a few alts to rotate.
Scouts are highly important to the fleet, but depending on the FC, some like to control the movement including the scouting, some like to send in others to tackle/scout.
small fleet - recon (rapier) /ship of choice your comfortable in
med fleet - same as above, might have 2nd char in Damage dealer
large fleet - usually 2 chars (one is ship of comfort, rapier etc) and second in damage dealer, but wil have 2nd/3rd callers, or competent fc's that will be able to stand up and support when main fc is down.
if your in a major fleet engagement (often standoffs) the is a channel command in TS etc that groups discuse the options and make decisions. If you want to be an FC i suggest you get into an alliance and learn from the ones running the gangs before you start taking on FC role and call for gangs. You need field experiance to understand the possible situations. You will be judged on your ability to get fights/win fights/minimal loss. Its not about how many of them you kill, its about winning with minimal loss through skill of understanding their setup and yours.
by asking this question, you have yet to much experiance yet and therefore those following you will have little confidence in your leadership.
oh, and if the is a known fc or someone who is obviously in something very expensive and shiney.... primery primery primery for the lols!!
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sophine Fortre
If you were an FC, what should would you bring? What ship choices lend themselves towards an FC position? What ship choices make you, as the FC, a target in a small/mid gang/fleet situation?
What things shall do you consider when you fit a ship for FC'ing? Maximum tank, low gank? or do you simply fit the ship as you typically do? Where is your rational behind this?
As an FC, do you expect to get primaried? Does the fact that the enemies know that you are an FC effect your ship choice? (ie, will you fly a low priority ship as an FC, in hopes that you wont get hit?) Or do you do the opposite, fly a high priority ship just trying to get shot at?
Please, give me your secrets. Feel free to post as alts so you dont give away that you are an FC if you want ^^
My enemies always seem to know that I am FC (not on this character, this character doesn't leave Empire). Most of the time I fly the same BS I would normally (sniper Tempest) and just designate a good chain of command. This way I can contribute to the fight and know what my fleet is capable of hitting. Sometimes I'll take a super tanked Typhoon into the fight, and get a logistics or a carrier on me for RR. I've often thought about bringing a covert ops to the fight, but I like to endure the same risk of ship loss as everyone else (and it is nice to get some kills).
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:43:00 -
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cloaking recon of some sort, pretty much count yourself out of any type of battle, if you want to fight, fly something inconsipicious, a forth vaga etc, but for larger fights stay cloaked in the recon, set up warp to's, call your targets through out the fight. much moar important
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Bignfurrie
Gallente
IONSTAR
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:10:00 -
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I believe what makes a good FC is one who starts in an inty, work thru all the ships so you know what each class can do. It also doesn't hurt to start out with inty opps. Say 5 to 15 you can move fast enough to avoid trouble and take down a target together. Since everyone is in inties if your the FC and your tageted warp out and back to keep the fight alive. It just takes alot of time.
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