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Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:04:00 - [1] To be honest my 3 years of playing this game i have played with many characters and played in many big alliances ranking in the top tier leadership to the lowly meat grinder grunt and one thing that has always been around while i have been playing is the fortress north. Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf but for some strange reason they seem to run out of power and fall back and take another alliance down in frustration leaving BoB to stew in there little den growing even more arrogant. But the basic fact is that no matter how well the rest beat each other up and smack on the forums the north quitly sit and bide there timeseeming to not be hassled by the petty squables BoB and Goons rage at each other. Then for some stupid reason operation MAX comes along, not iwould just like to say who ever thought this up where absolute mental and should be taken outside and be kicked so that they never wake up. Instead of focusing on taking ground of arch rivals they deside to head northand try and cutoff the advance the Goons where making and take territory where they may head next. Now the good old saying let sleeping dogs lye comes into play i take it BoB where hoping to use a good old muscle flexing tactic and hope that the north would throw up there hands and run butthis was not the case, the maping beast that is the north raised a claw and swiped at the BoB fleet and from what i have read sent a massive number home and made very little impact. Now the main point of this post is why did the North "win" and i use that term as loose as possable, was it due to the massive resources they had built up in preporation that this was coming? Or was it fact to that they have a huge array of experianced pilots that are used to fighting in the lag infested battle? Your opinions please?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:07:00 - [2] tl;dr Another bob post? max post, eh? grrr
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Now the main point of this post is why did the North "win" and i use that term as loose as possable, was it due to the massive resources they had built up in preporation that this was coming? Or was it fact to that they have a huge array of experianced pilots that are used to fighting in the lag infested battle? Your opinions please? The North Won? I am looking at the sov maps and over half a dozen hostile system lost sov in the last 24 hours alone. After all we all know that the Coalition won and we are just evacuating from NOL -- Billion Isk Mission
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Splagada on 14/07/2008 19:09:03 north didnt win anything yet in those 3 battles... and the south naptrain is as long if not more as north... quit those bob posts ffs... fight was fun, period ------ Tides of Silence
Imperian hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:12:00 - [5] What about less posting and more fights ? RAWR
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:12:00 - [6] Can any1 read the sentance after saying the North won?
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:21:00 - [7] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. .
Chirinako Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:27:00 - [8] Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin.
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:28:00 - [9] the above poster got it in one. This ain a bob post its a Northern post and how good there doing
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:31:53 Originally by: Chirinako Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin. Very true.... then again the same could be said for Delve really.... if BoB hadn't had titans blobbed in Cynojammed systems... Not saying that's a bad thing or a bad tactic... simply a fact that cynojammers, especially when combined with jump bridges, give a HUGE advantage to defending forces... also allow them to hold far more territory than they normally (or, imo, should) be able to. .
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits.
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Eve needs changes asap
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:34:00 - [13] Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits. Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. .
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Interesting.... /me checks alliance tag Nope... not part of NC anymore... /me checks alliance history... Not been part of the NC in a long long time Nice try though :) .
Chirinako Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:31:53 Originally by: Chirinako Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin. Very true.... then again the same could be said for Delve really.... if BoB hadn't had titans blobbed in Cynojammed systems... Not saying that's a bad thing or a bad tactic... simply a fact that cynojammers, especially when combined with jump bridges, give a HUGE advantage to defending forces... also allow them to hold far more territory than they normally (or, imo, should) be able to. Mmhmm basically what I was hitting at. 100% agree
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:37:00 - [16] The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Interesting.... /me checks alliance tag Nope... not part of NC anymore... /me checks alliance history... Not been part of the NC in a long long time Nice try though :) ermm i never was part of NC nor i would like to be ever. but i know north very well cos me and my friend killed 1k ppl there in first month of our corp so we got bored and moved somewhere else. its just i cannot believe you actually think that someone is jelous on your blue list.thats just i mean lol Eve needs changes asap
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Taram Caldar Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. Lol, I'm not bitter. I'm glad to be out of the Drones. (Thanks unkie goons!). Now that I have belayed your concern over my feelings let us proceed. The north honors its naps. Yeah I am absolutely rediculously certain that FLA would wholeheartedly agree with your post.
Koi Yokuma Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Dianabolic ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Interesting take on fun. I'd love to see what a weekend at your house is like.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits. Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. me and tronnar were also in an old north alliance. We lived up there for a long long time. I personaly fought in the NFC, Goon, Bob, Tri, sparta and MC conflicts. Not bitter, experienced. The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. Atlas Fleet Admiral Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader Stop banning me please
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:48:00 - [21] Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 14/07/2008 19:50:37 Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. look how stupid you are. Maybe you're short in memory, but I remember 1-2 months ago there was a War in the north. You know Triumvirate and Insurgency against Razor and Co. Before that there was another war, Insurgency against Razor pets for atleast half a year, and before that it was GBC pets vs Razor and Co. Now we have GBC against Iron & co, and to be honest you lost pretty bad. It's a shame that you're such sore losers and can't accept that there is an Alliance that is better than you. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Monsieur Escargots The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. To be honest, i think the NC prefers people to look at them as weak. Any 0.0 alliance that holds space for more than a week is about 90% pvp based. You just can't spin it any other way. Anyone who underestimates a 0.0 alliance is just asking for a bad time. To get back to the OP, I think if you look back to the fall of PA, you will see a time when the entire North got demolished. The NC havn't had as long as either BoB OR RA and Co to build up their resources or infrastructure. Heck, Deklein is a relativly newly aquired region for IRON, think how harder it would be for BoB to take systems IRON have been building up for much longer. On another note, people always rave about BoB being the best of the best, and licking their behinds. I have been in the game a long time, and all I have seen, is them losing a lot of veterans, and replacing them with utter scrubs. Tbh, BoB died the day they started letting scrubs into their alliance, and I don't even hate them, I just see it for what it is. Nowadays, I just see them as an overly arrogant long standing alliance who instead of blazing a trail across the stars as they once did, are instead fading into the nether. They need to wake up and see themselves for what they are, reaccess their goals, and start to build up to what they used to be. At the moment, with reports of "Titangate" and assitance from the Devs they are going nowhere in the eyes of the community. As a hint, the jokes about MSNing Devs, and getting them to nerf stuff for you, isn't funny. what happened is pretty serious, and doesn't help your image to joke about it. Also, BoB, stop your pets posting, please, for the love of all that is holy, they are making you look like muppets at the moment. I usually look to the Goons to make stupid ass posts with silly comments, but some of your pets are making even them look educated to the point of a novalist. I see this MAX plan, as Molles way to try and rekindle that magic they once had, but I just don't think it is there anymore. Honestly, if Molle wanted to make a true impact on the universe, he should go the way of Curse, and do a "Foyle". Now Curse Alliance is a name that will always be remembered by those who matter. Heck, what a spin on the MAX plan that would be if he unveiled it to be something like that. anyway, going OT here, and I can't believe I am posting in another BoB thread. fly safe guys, good fights and take your losses with a pinch of salt, it's only a game.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Why do you insist on clinging to two year old stereotypes? You're getting kicked around the entire north by IRON and RA, but keep saying that you're the pvp masters in the region
D4mnation Caldari BecauseImWorthIt	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Your opinions please? Your stupid. You speak of the north like theyre all powerful. The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory. b) they are strong because servers are incapable of fleet fights and so the skill which they lack is not important. c) stop posting.
Wesley Baird BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:11:00 - [25] Originally by: ****ation The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory If you don't like it, go do something about it...
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Koi Yokuma Originally by: Dianabolic ** that, grab the * by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Interesting take on fun. I'd love to see what a weekend at your house is like. Sounds like fun! I'll bring the vasoline -- Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:27:00 - [27] Hoes noes the north are getting along and when they get attacked they help each other, this is a joke why wont you people get it that there doing is fantastic. Most of thepeople that are anti North are BoB pets that have basically been beaten and are BoB meat sheild or they are too scared to stand upto goons and get beat
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:29:00 - [28] Originally by: dastommy79 The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. I'll give an unusually honest answer ;) We won't sell it eachother out. I can promise you that RZR will never sell out anyone from RA/RAWR/Pure./Hydra/MH nor IRON. We haven't so far and we won't. The same goes for the other ones. In fact if one looses it's space we will also as already demonstrated tried to find new or give up existing space for that entity. Most of you have fundamentally misunderstood the NC. Also, it's nice to paint us as carebears or blobbers or whatever. It's easier when you get spanked that way. It's true we do blob but when we don't we will fight individually and outnumbered just like everyone else. The only thing different with us is we've made a commitment to stick with eachother for better or worse and the reason we've done it is we think medium/small sized and equal alliances with different flavours should have a place to flourish in EVE. It's just a different flavour to GBC or RSF. To paint us as carebears though is completely wrong. There's a few of EVE's top ten FC's here and the general skill level on a few of the membership alliances are definitely quite high too. I'm not saying we're the best, but so far for a few years we've proven to be good enough to beat almost everyone ;) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
DerButcher Terror Network	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: dastommy79 The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. I'll give an unusually honest answer ;) We won't sell it eachother out. I can promise you that RZR will never sell out anyone from RA/RAWR/Pure./Hydra/MH nor IRON. We haven't so far and we won't. The same goes for the other ones. In fact if one looses it's space we will also as already demonstrated tried to find new or give up existing space for that entity. Most of you have fundamentally misunderstood the NC. Also, it's nice to paint us as carebears or blobbers or whatever. It's easier when you get spanked that way. It's true we do blob but when we don't we will fight individually and outnumbered just like everyone else. The only thing different with us is we've made a commitment to stick with eachother for better or worse and the reason we've done it is we think medium/small sized and equal alliances with different flavours should have a place to flourish in EVE. It's just a different flavour to GBC or RSF. To paint us as carebears though is completely wrong. There's a few of EVE's top ten FC's here and the general skill level on a few of the membership alliances are definitely quite high too. I'm not saying we're the best, but so far for a few years we've proven to be good enough to beat almost everyone ;) I like you. Nice simple honest answer. Now why the hell are there 32 threads on the subject. Can we please go back to how me and my friends suck please? Those threads are funner for me. ----SIG---------------- color color
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Endeva you say that about smash and roadkill also:) No. I never did. In fact I repeatedly thought and said that peoke's rants and irrational ways we shouldn't have them as blue. It's true they played a major part in removing M.Pire and those guys from Branch and as such it sucked to not help them. Then again we grew apart all the time and there was more and more tension all the time after that. The peoke reason is probably the only way we'll part ways tbh. If one of the NC members changes leadership and that guy/gal doesn't want this to continue or becomes extremely onesided or abusive then it'll probably not work but that's not a risk with the current leadership in the NC imho. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"

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