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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:59:00 -
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Human behavior is all reward based. Super power blocs exist because it makes 'winning' in the conventional term (spaceholding) easier.
Until the mechanics change, whining at people about it isn't going to change that. Afraid that's just the unfortunate facts of EVE we need to all deal with.
Lobby CCP, change your expectations, change your gameplay style, or expect to be very frustrated.
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Endeva
you say that about smash and roadkill also:)
No. I never did. In fact I repeatedly thought and said that peoke's rants and irrational ways we shouldn't have them as blue. It's true they played a major part in removing M.Pire and those guys from Branch and as such it sucked to not help them. Then again we grew apart all the time and there was more and more tension all the time after that.
The peoke reason is probably the only way we'll part ways tbh. If one of the NC members changes leadership and that guy/gal doesn't want this to continue or becomes extremely onesided or abusive then it'll probably not work but that's not a risk with the current leadership in the NC imho.
since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Not to mention my previous alliance FLA who bunkered down in Dek and did their best to stall MC's push while D2 moved their freightors to empire?(we were suckers for that one)
Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen.
Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader lolz
Stop banning me please
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"
Too bad your pets are always the victim of your egocentric behavior. Makes you wonder if your current pets are in denial or plain dumb. Bob has to fight wars because that's what the majority of the Bobbits signed up for. Actually they don't care about Bob but more about fighting and more especially fighting to win. This explains why they go any lengths to win. Borderline stuff, metagaming and worse.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: dastommy79
since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished.
Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. Destiny allied with TRI when TRI blue too, then they sided with TRI when it came to blows. Core I actually dunno. :) FLA I suppose just moved on when the going got tough, not particularly educated on their story tbfh.
Quote: Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen.
Yes, we always have and still have smaller alliance owning some stations in Branch. We try to help them develop into better and more useful allies with very few promises. We help them and they help us. INSRG started out as such an alliance for example. It's relations that are dynamic since they are abit of an unknown quantity. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one.
That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them.
It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"
And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at.
Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head.
"Let sleeping dogs lie"? **** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.
Seriously, do you actually believe this stuff you type?
In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever and (ii) the goons which they tried to take out in their nascent state before they could get a toehold in the game, when that went horribly wrong they just fell further and further back until the could bunker down in a couple of impregnable fortess systems with multiple titans.
When has bob ever chosen a tough target or the hard fight in the last 3 years?
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XZearr
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: XZearr on 14/07/2008 22:18:41
Originally by: Starfall Hammer
In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever
Didn't ASCN last a couple of months vs BOB, fielding gangs with 80+ BS for a fair part of it?
Aren't a lot of ex-ASCN players and corps currently in the North and South Coalitions? And not fringe alliances either, the main ones.
Didn't ASCN last longer than 90% of the current average crop of 0.0 space-holding alliances could manage alone vs BOB?
Didn't BOB start a war that at the start they were pretty much against 70% of 0.0 EVE for a while?
Seriously Goon alts need to stop posting their terrible self-repeated internal propaganda on COAD. Instead learn what you are actually talking about
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/07/2008 01:17:25
Originally by: XZearr Edited by: XZearr on 14/07/2008 22:18:41
Originally by: Starfall Hammer
In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever
Didn't ASCN last a couple of months vs BOB, fielding gangs with 80+ BS for a fair part of it?
Aren't a lot of ex-ASCN players and corps currently in the North and South Coalitions? And not fringe alliances either, the main ones.
Didn't ASCN last longer than 90% of the current average crop of 0.0 space-holding alliances could manage alone vs BOB?
Didn't BOB start a war that at the start they were pretty much against 70% of 0.0 EVE for a while?
Seriously Goon alts need to stop posting their terrible self-repeated internal propaganda on COAD. Instead learn what you are actually talking about
Only time BoB was 'alone' against any part of 0.0 was when they were fighting ASCN... and at that point it was pretty much a 1 on 1 between those two. After ASCN fell and bob pushed onwards they had several pets and allies helping them. They were NEVER 'alone' verses "0.0" as you claim nor as they tried to spin it. Problem with BoB is that they consider their pets non entities for the most part. Only the very biggest of their 'pets' ever got even a modi****of respect from BoB but as soon as they weakened under loads of hostile pressure BoB cut them lose.
LV... anyone remember them? RISE? No? ISS? No? YouWhat? No? The list of alliances that allied/were pets to BoB is endless. Almost as endless is the number of alliances that were allied to, or were pets of, BoB that no longer exist. BoB doesn't CARE about anyone, except BoB... they have PETS not allies.
Oh... and BoB grew strong for a long time because they were originally 'allies' with ASCN. Interesting little tidbit that many people forget. .
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Okanira
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: ****ation The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory
If you don't like it, go do something about it...
yarr! That's a poster that leads by example. Wesley makes frequent trips... so if you'd like to take his advice. Please, feel free. He may even escort you in.
In all honesty, lag and crying aside.... It's been great fun and I'm not hating on anyone that's not blue for the things they do. Eve would be boring without NBSI's floating about. More fights, more fun. Wesley look me up if you're about dek in one of your ceptors for a duel. Last one was great fun, and it's been too long.
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: dastommy79
since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished.
Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. Destiny allied with TRI when TRI blue too, then they sided with TRI when it came to blows. Core I actually dunno. :) FLA I suppose just moved on when the going got tough, not particularly educated on their story tbfh.
Quote: Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen.
Yes, we always have and still have smaller alliance owning some stations in Branch. We try to help them develop into better and more useful allies with very few promises. We help them and they help us. INSRG started out as such an alliance for example. It's relations that are dynamic since they are abit of an unknown quantity.
When sparta was first given northern dek, iron leadership made it known that after the war that sparta should be removed. Tbh i wasnt shocked when they moved out of the coalition and tried to be nuetral. Those guy put up one hell of a fight but were never really recongnized.
FLA stayed in 0-2 and bunkered down there. We made our last stand and took about a month for MC to kick us out. What was left of us by the time we pulled out was nothing much. The majority of us pvp'rs came out with almost nothing. I left dek in a thorax and that was pretty much the only thing i owned. I think during the defence, you and iron stayed down south attacking fix and didnt see many razor pilots in the fountain and cloudring campaign. So i can see how you didnt get to know my old alliance very well. I'll admit FLA was the red headed stepchild of the north but the lack of help after the MC steamroll left a bitter taste in my mouth of the NC leadership. That being said there are a great many good pilots in your ranks and it was fun flying with them.
Thats basicly why i dont really dont care for the NC leadership and question your motives in the grand scheme of things.
this was back in my ARBL days
Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader lolz
Stop banning me please
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Overt Ops
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:56:00 -
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: dastommy79
When sparta was first given northern dek, iron leadership made it known that after the war that sparta should be removed. Tbh i wasnt shocked when they moved out of the coalition and tried to be nuetral. Those guy put up one hell of a fight but were never really recongnized.
FLA stayed in 0-2 and bunkered down there. We made our last stand and took about a month for MC to kick us out. What was left of us by the time we pulled out was nothing much. The majority of us pvp'rs came out with almost nothing. I left dek in a thorax and that was pretty much the only thing i owned. I think during the defence, you and iron stayed down south attacking fix and didnt see many razor pilots in the fountain and cloudring campaign. So i can see how you didnt get to know my old alliance very well. I'll admit FLA was the red headed stepchild of the north but the lack of help after the MC steamroll left a bitter taste in my mouth of the NC leadership. That being said there are a great many good pilots in your ranks and it was fun flying with them.
Thats basicly why i dont really dont care for the NC leadership and question your motives in the grand scheme of things.
this was back in my ARBL days
Can't remember for sure, it was a while ago and the info I had at the time was 2nd hand so don't scream at me if it's inaccurate... but I seem to recall alliance leadership at the time stating that D2 had turned down any help from most of the northern coalition saying they'd deal with MC. If that's true you really have no reason to be ****ed at the northern entities... D2 were a bunch of asshats from day 1 and alienated most of their 'pets'/'allies' long before MC came north.
Like I said... this is what I was told when I asked why we weren't sending fleets to help D2... but we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute. .
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar ... we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute.
No, you didn't. MC never had any intention of taking out MM.
Myn
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Prof Patpending
Warp badgers with guns
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:59:00 -
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Screw all this MAX nonsense. Hammerfall Industries is biding its time until unleashing its ultimate offensive code name Male Chicken Brick or something I don't really understand Hammerfalles
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mrspiggy
FACTOR 8
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: dastommy79 My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts.
May I point out the alliance ranking page ingame?
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.15 08:05:00 -
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Seriously stop posting all this crap on whats going to happen or whats not going to happen. Log on, get in a ship and join the fun. This is a game after all.
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Reacz
Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 09:44:19 Didn't Razor and Co sell out Stella Polar and various other alliances so INSURG could steam roll them?
The general consensus was that Razor and Co didn't actually want them there, so instead of backstabbing them they let INSURG do the dirty work and claimed they were innocent in the whole matter by saying "Sorry guys, we're to busy in the South right now to help you..."
I find it amusing that those same entities actually went back to the same area and trusted Razor and Co again.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 15/07/2008 12:03:20 gah, darn forums
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Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Reacz Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 11:49:39 Didn't Razor and Co sell out Stella Polar and various other alliances so INSURG could steam roll them?
The general consensus was that Razor and Co didn't actually want them there, so instead of backstabbing them directly they let INSURG do the dirty work and claimed they were innocent in the whole matter by saying "Sorry guys, we're too busy in the South right now to help you..."
I find it amusing that those same entities actually went back to the same area and trusted Razor and Co again.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
As a sidenote, I seem to remember at least a couple or North Nap leaders/diplomats saying that letting INSURG conquer Stella Polar, Pheonix Alliance, etcs space was basically a goodwill gesture that would make INSURG join the Northern nap.
Yep you are spot on you f*****n idiot.
Thats why Stella Polar now has a station in branch, Jako (ex phoenix corp) is a member of RZR and such corps like Qauntar swords and alliances like GSA are still friends to RZR and living with us. We really sold them out didnt we.
Atleast if your going to say something, makesure you have the evidence to back it up.
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Battlestar Galactica
Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf
I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums.
g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live.
I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can.
Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless.
There is no price on true lojalty
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MineralOel Steuer
Amarr OP EC
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica
Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf
I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums.
g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live.
I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can.
Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeles
Look at this nerdrage. Hey it's just a game.
Oh and Goons kicked your Alliance out of Feythabolis, Omist, Esoteria, Paragon Soul.
keep poasting
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Reacz
Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:34:08
Originally by: Centauris Nerd Rage
Yeah you did, ya ****ing idiot.
Of course, you'll never admit to it.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica
Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf
I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums.
g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live.
I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can.
Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless.
Quoted because wow lol -clp
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica
Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf
I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums.
g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live.
I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can.
Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless.
1. A coherent DICE post. I never expected this. That doesn't mean it's good, but it is more or less understandable.
2. Obligatory haha you're in DICE.
3. You girls can quit whining about the numbers now. Your leaders claimed to have pulled a Miss Cleo and planned it all in advance. When you whine about numbers, you undercut their claims (which get more and more bizarre as time goes on).
4. I can't believe you tried to drag an e-honor challenge (alliance 1v1, comedy) into a properly constituted trollfest. It's like you divided stupidity by zero. I don't know what else to say.
P.S. Have a nice day! Arghy is the one true God and Dungar is His prophet. |
Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Reacz Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:49:38
Originally by: Centauris Nerd Rage
Forum Aids
Hi aneu
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Reacz
Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:56:39
Originally by: Centauris
Hi aneu
Yo.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Taram Caldar ... we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute.
No, you didn't. MC never had any intention of taking out MM.
Myn
Ahh forgive my mistake. We did engage several fleets with MC pilots in them in MM space. If you weren't trying to push them that's cool... we did engage MC though, on several occasions. Was fun fights as I recall...
Either way My point stands: MM accepted assistance from the other northern entities while, at least according to information given by leadership, D2 turned it down.
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Zurasa
Imperial Command
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Posted - 2008.07.15 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tress Macneille
Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one.
That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them.
It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"
And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at.
Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head.
"Let sleeping dogs lie"? **** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.
Why do you insist on clinging to two year old stereotypes? You're getting kicked around the entire north by IRON and RA, but keep saying that you're the pvp masters in the region
yep, everyone beat bOB, except you ppl
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Crudamus
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:42:00 -
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*carbear stare
Whats this maxx?
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Annaliese Witschak
Galgorth's Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:13:00 -
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it's not really a big surprise that the current diluted bob membership that has been absorbed from failed alliances like Lokta Volterra, Veritas, FIX, MC and assorted pets aren't very good at this game
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Aales Eae
Solus Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Battlestar Galactica the north quitly sit and bide there time
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"
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