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Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:04:00 - [1] To be honest my 3 years of playing this game i have played with many characters and played in many big alliances ranking in the top tier leadership to the lowly meat grinder grunt and one thing that has always been around while i have been playing is the fortress north. Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf but for some strange reason they seem to run out of power and fall back and take another alliance down in frustration leaving BoB to stew in there little den growing even more arrogant. But the basic fact is that no matter how well the rest beat each other up and smack on the forums the north quitly sit and bide there timeseeming to not be hassled by the petty squables BoB and Goons rage at each other. Then for some stupid reason operation MAX comes along, not iwould just like to say who ever thought this up where absolute mental and should be taken outside and be kicked so that they never wake up. Instead of focusing on taking ground of arch rivals they deside to head northand try and cutoff the advance the Goons where making and take territory where they may head next. Now the good old saying let sleeping dogs lye comes into play i take it BoB where hoping to use a good old muscle flexing tactic and hope that the north would throw up there hands and run butthis was not the case, the maping beast that is the north raised a claw and swiped at the BoB fleet and from what i have read sent a massive number home and made very little impact. Now the main point of this post is why did the North "win" and i use that term as loose as possable, was it due to the massive resources they had built up in preporation that this was coming? Or was it fact to that they have a huge array of experianced pilots that are used to fighting in the lag infested battle? Your opinions please?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:07:00 - [2] tl;dr Another bob post? max post, eh? grrr
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Now the main point of this post is why did the North "win" and i use that term as loose as possable, was it due to the massive resources they had built up in preporation that this was coming? Or was it fact to that they have a huge array of experianced pilots that are used to fighting in the lag infested battle? Your opinions please? The North Won? I am looking at the sov maps and over half a dozen hostile system lost sov in the last 24 hours alone. After all we all know that the Coalition won and we are just evacuating from NOL -- Billion Isk Mission
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Splagada on 14/07/2008 19:09:03 north didnt win anything yet in those 3 battles... and the south naptrain is as long if not more as north... quit those bob posts ffs... fight was fun, period ------ Tides of Silence
Imperian hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:12:00 - [5] What about less posting and more fights ? RAWR
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:12:00 - [6] Can any1 read the sentance after saying the North won?
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:21:00 - [7] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. .
Chirinako Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:27:00 - [8] Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin.
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:28:00 - [9] the above poster got it in one. This ain a bob post its a Northern post and how good there doing
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:31:53 Originally by: Chirinako Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin. Very true.... then again the same could be said for Delve really.... if BoB hadn't had titans blobbed in Cynojammed systems... Not saying that's a bad thing or a bad tactic... simply a fact that cynojammers, especially when combined with jump bridges, give a HUGE advantage to defending forces... also allow them to hold far more territory than they normally (or, imo, should) be able to. .
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits.
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Eve needs changes asap
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:34:00 - [13] Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits. Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. .
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Interesting.... /me checks alliance tag Nope... not part of NC anymore... /me checks alliance history... Not been part of the NC in a long long time Nice try though :) .
Chirinako Caldari KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:31:53 Originally by: Chirinako Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin. Very true.... then again the same could be said for Delve really.... if BoB hadn't had titans blobbed in Cynojammed systems... Not saying that's a bad thing or a bad tactic... simply a fact that cynojammers, especially when combined with jump bridges, give a HUGE advantage to defending forces... also allow them to hold far more territory than they normally (or, imo, should) be able to. Mmhmm basically what I was hitting at. 100% agree
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:37:00 - [16] The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points. tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience. you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about) Interesting.... /me checks alliance tag Nope... not part of NC anymore... /me checks alliance history... Not been part of the NC in a long long time Nice try though :) ermm i never was part of NC nor i would like to be ever. but i know north very well cos me and my friend killed 1k ppl there in first month of our corp so we got bored and moved somewhere else. its just i cannot believe you actually think that someone is jelous on your blue list.thats just i mean lol Eve needs changes asap
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Taram Caldar Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. Lol, I'm not bitter. I'm glad to be out of the Drones. (Thanks unkie goons!). Now that I have belayed your concern over my feelings let us proceed. The north honors its naps. Yeah I am absolutely rediculously certain that FLA would wholeheartedly agree with your post.
Koi Yokuma Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Dianabolic ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Interesting take on fun. I'd love to see what a weekend at your house is like.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits. Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. me and tronnar were also in an old north alliance. We lived up there for a long long time. I personaly fought in the NFC, Goon, Bob, Tri, sparta and MC conflicts. Not bitter, experienced. The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. Atlas Fleet Admiral Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader Stop banning me please
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:48:00 - [21] Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 14/07/2008 19:50:37 Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. look how stupid you are. Maybe you're short in memory, but I remember 1-2 months ago there was a War in the north. You know Triumvirate and Insurgency against Razor and Co. Before that there was another war, Insurgency against Razor pets for atleast half a year, and before that it was GBC pets vs Razor and Co. Now we have GBC against Iron & co, and to be honest you lost pretty bad. It's a shame that you're such sore losers and can't accept that there is an Alliance that is better than you. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Monsieur Escargots The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are. Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either. To be honest, i think the NC prefers people to look at them as weak. Any 0.0 alliance that holds space for more than a week is about 90% pvp based. You just can't spin it any other way. Anyone who underestimates a 0.0 alliance is just asking for a bad time. To get back to the OP, I think if you look back to the fall of PA, you will see a time when the entire North got demolished. The NC havn't had as long as either BoB OR RA and Co to build up their resources or infrastructure. Heck, Deklein is a relativly newly aquired region for IRON, think how harder it would be for BoB to take systems IRON have been building up for much longer. On another note, people always rave about BoB being the best of the best, and licking their behinds. I have been in the game a long time, and all I have seen, is them losing a lot of veterans, and replacing them with utter scrubs. Tbh, BoB died the day they started letting scrubs into their alliance, and I don't even hate them, I just see it for what it is. Nowadays, I just see them as an overly arrogant long standing alliance who instead of blazing a trail across the stars as they once did, are instead fading into the nether. They need to wake up and see themselves for what they are, reaccess their goals, and start to build up to what they used to be. At the moment, with reports of "Titangate" and assitance from the Devs they are going nowhere in the eyes of the community. As a hint, the jokes about MSNing Devs, and getting them to nerf stuff for you, isn't funny. what happened is pretty serious, and doesn't help your image to joke about it. Also, BoB, stop your pets posting, please, for the love of all that is holy, they are making you look like muppets at the moment. I usually look to the Goons to make stupid ass posts with silly comments, but some of your pets are making even them look educated to the point of a novalist. I see this MAX plan, as Molles way to try and rekindle that magic they once had, but I just don't think it is there anymore. Honestly, if Molle wanted to make a true impact on the universe, he should go the way of Curse, and do a "Foyle". Now Curse Alliance is a name that will always be remembered by those who matter. Heck, what a spin on the MAX plan that would be if he unveiled it to be something like that. anyway, going OT here, and I can't believe I am posting in another BoB thread. fly safe guys, good fights and take your losses with a pinch of salt, it's only a game.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.14 19:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Why do you insist on clinging to two year old stereotypes? You're getting kicked around the entire north by IRON and RA, but keep saying that you're the pvp masters in the region
D4mnation Caldari BecauseImWorthIt	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Your opinions please? Your stupid. You speak of the north like theyre all powerful. The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory. b) they are strong because servers are incapable of fleet fights and so the skill which they lack is not important. c) stop posting.
Wesley Baird BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:11:00 - [25] Originally by: ****ation The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory If you don't like it, go do something about it...
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Koi Yokuma Originally by: Dianabolic ** that, grab the * by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Interesting take on fun. I'd love to see what a weekend at your house is like. Sounds like fun! I'll bring the vasoline -- Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Battlestar Galactica Field Operations Group	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:27:00 - [27] Hoes noes the north are getting along and when they get attacked they help each other, this is a joke why wont you people get it that there doing is fantastic. Most of thepeople that are anti North are BoB pets that have basically been beaten and are BoB meat sheild or they are too scared to stand upto goons and get beat
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:29:00 - [28] Originally by: dastommy79 The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. I'll give an unusually honest answer ;) We won't sell it eachother out. I can promise you that RZR will never sell out anyone from RA/RAWR/Pure./Hydra/MH nor IRON. We haven't so far and we won't. The same goes for the other ones. In fact if one looses it's space we will also as already demonstrated tried to find new or give up existing space for that entity. Most of you have fundamentally misunderstood the NC. Also, it's nice to paint us as carebears or blobbers or whatever. It's easier when you get spanked that way. It's true we do blob but when we don't we will fight individually and outnumbered just like everyone else. The only thing different with us is we've made a commitment to stick with eachother for better or worse and the reason we've done it is we think medium/small sized and equal alliances with different flavours should have a place to flourish in EVE. It's just a different flavour to GBC or RSF. To paint us as carebears though is completely wrong. There's a few of EVE's top ten FC's here and the general skill level on a few of the membership alliances are definitely quite high too. I'm not saying we're the best, but so far for a few years we've proven to be good enough to beat almost everyone ;) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
DerButcher Terror Network	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: dastommy79 The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. I'll give an unusually honest answer ;) We won't sell it eachother out. I can promise you that RZR will never sell out anyone from RA/RAWR/Pure./Hydra/MH nor IRON. We haven't so far and we won't. The same goes for the other ones. In fact if one looses it's space we will also as already demonstrated tried to find new or give up existing space for that entity. Most of you have fundamentally misunderstood the NC. Also, it's nice to paint us as carebears or blobbers or whatever. It's easier when you get spanked that way. It's true we do blob but when we don't we will fight individually and outnumbered just like everyone else. The only thing different with us is we've made a commitment to stick with eachother for better or worse and the reason we've done it is we think medium/small sized and equal alliances with different flavours should have a place to flourish in EVE. It's just a different flavour to GBC or RSF. To paint us as carebears though is completely wrong. There's a few of EVE's top ten FC's here and the general skill level on a few of the membership alliances are definitely quite high too. I'm not saying we're the best, but so far for a few years we've proven to be good enough to beat almost everyone ;) I like you. Nice simple honest answer. Now why the hell are there 32 threads on the subject. Can we please go back to how me and my friends suck please? Those threads are funner for me. ----SIG---------------- color color
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Endeva you say that about smash and roadkill also:) No. I never did. In fact I repeatedly thought and said that peoke's rants and irrational ways we shouldn't have them as blue. It's true they played a major part in removing M.Pire and those guys from Branch and as such it sucked to not help them. Then again we grew apart all the time and there was more and more tension all the time after that. The peoke reason is probably the only way we'll part ways tbh. If one of the NC members changes leadership and that guy/gal doesn't want this to continue or becomes extremely onesided or abusive then it'll probably not work but that's not a risk with the current leadership in the NC imho. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:59:00 - [31] Human behavior is all reward based. Super power blocs exist because it makes 'winning' in the conventional term (spaceholding) easier. Until the mechanics change, whining at people about it isn't going to change that. Afraid that's just the unfortunate facts of EVE we need to all deal with. Lobby CCP, change your expectations, change your gameplay style, or expect to be very frustrated.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Endeva you say that about smash and roadkill also:) No. I never did. In fact I repeatedly thought and said that peoke's rants and irrational ways we shouldn't have them as blue. It's true they played a major part in removing M.Pire and those guys from Branch and as such it sucked to not help them. Then again we grew apart all the time and there was more and more tension all the time after that. The peoke reason is probably the only way we'll part ways tbh. If one of the NC members changes leadership and that guy/gal doesn't want this to continue or becomes extremely onesided or abusive then it'll probably not work but that's not a risk with the current leadership in the NC imho. since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Not to mention my previous alliance FLA who bunkered down in Dek and did their best to stall MC's push while D2 moved their freightors to empire?(we were suckers for that one) Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen. Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader lolz Stop banning me please
Ghaelsto Kakram Mindgamers	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Dianabolic BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" Too bad your pets are always the victim of your egocentric behavior. Makes you wonder if your current pets are in denial or plain dumb. Bob has to fight wars because that's what the majority of the Bobbits signed up for. Actually they don't care about Bob but more about fighting and more especially fighting to win. This explains why they go any lengths to win. Borderline stuff, metagaming and worse.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:56:00 - [34] Originally by: dastommy79 since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. Destiny allied with TRI when TRI blue too, then they sided with TRI when it came to blows. Core I actually dunno. :) FLA I suppose just moved on when the going got tough, not particularly educated on their story tbfh. Quote: Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen. Yes, we always have and still have smaller alliance owning some stations in Branch. We try to help them develop into better and more useful allies with very few promises. We help them and they help us. INSRG started out as such an alliance for example. It's relations that are dynamic since they are abit of an unknown quantity. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Seriously, do you actually believe this stuff you type? In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever and (ii) the goons which they tried to take out in their nascent state before they could get a toehold in the game, when that went horribly wrong they just fell further and further back until the could bunker down in a couple of impregnable fortess systems with multiple titans. When has bob ever chosen a tough target or the hard fight in the last 3 years?
XZearr	Posted - 2008.07.14 22:18:00 - [36] Edited by: XZearr on 14/07/2008 22:18:41 Originally by: Starfall Hammer In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever Didn't ASCN last a couple of months vs BOB, fielding gangs with 80+ BS for a fair part of it? Aren't a lot of ex-ASCN players and corps currently in the North and South Coalitions? And not fringe alliances either, the main ones. Didn't ASCN last longer than 90% of the current average crop of 0.0 space-holding alliances could manage alone vs BOB? Didn't BOB start a war that at the start they were pretty much against 70% of 0.0 EVE for a while? Seriously Goon alts need to stop posting their terrible self-repeated internal propaganda on COAD. Instead learn what you are actually talking about
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:16:00 - [37] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/07/2008 01:17:25 Originally by: XZearr Edited by: XZearr on 14/07/2008 22:18:41 Originally by: Starfall Hammer In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever Didn't ASCN last a couple of months vs BOB, fielding gangs with 80+ BS for a fair part of it? Aren't a lot of ex-ASCN players and corps currently in the North and South Coalitions? And not fringe alliances either, the main ones. Didn't ASCN last longer than 90% of the current average crop of 0.0 space-holding alliances could manage alone vs BOB? Didn't BOB start a war that at the start they were pretty much against 70% of 0.0 EVE for a while? Seriously Goon alts need to stop posting their terrible self-repeated internal propaganda on COAD. Instead learn what you are actually talking about Only time BoB was 'alone' against any part of 0.0 was when they were fighting ASCN... and at that point it was pretty much a 1 on 1 between those two. After ASCN fell and bob pushed onwards they had several pets and allies helping them. They were NEVER 'alone' verses "0.0" as you claim nor as they tried to spin it. Problem with BoB is that they consider their pets non entities for the most part. Only the very biggest of their 'pets' ever got even a modi****of respect from BoB but as soon as they weakened under loads of hostile pressure BoB cut them lose. LV... anyone remember them? RISE? No? ISS? No? YouWhat? No? The list of alliances that allied/were pets to BoB is endless. Almost as endless is the number of alliances that were allied to, or were pets of, BoB that no longer exist. BoB doesn't CARE about anyone, except BoB... they have PETS not allies. Oh... and BoB grew strong for a long time because they were originally 'allies' with ASCN. Interesting little tidbit that many people forget. .
Okanira	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: ****ation The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory If you don't like it, go do something about it... yarr! That's a poster that leads by example. Wesley makes frequent trips... so if you'd like to take his advice. Please, feel free. He may even escort you in. In all honesty, lag and crying aside.... It's been great fun and I'm not hating on anyone that's not blue for the things they do. Eve would be boring without NBSI's floating about. More fights, more fun. Wesley look me up if you're about dek in one of your ceptors for a duel. Last one was great fun, and it's been too long.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: dastommy79 since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. Destiny allied with TRI when TRI blue too, then they sided with TRI when it came to blows. Core I actually dunno. :) FLA I suppose just moved on when the going got tough, not particularly educated on their story tbfh. Quote: Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen. Yes, we always have and still have smaller alliance owning some stations in Branch. We try to help them develop into better and more useful allies with very few promises. We help them and they help us. INSRG started out as such an alliance for example. It's relations that are dynamic since they are abit of an unknown quantity. When sparta was first given northern dek, iron leadership made it known that after the war that sparta should be removed. Tbh i wasnt shocked when they moved out of the coalition and tried to be nuetral. Those guy put up one hell of a fight but were never really recongnized. FLA stayed in 0-2 and bunkered down there. We made our last stand and took about a month for MC to kick us out. What was left of us by the time we pulled out was nothing much. The majority of us pvp'rs came out with almost nothing. I left dek in a thorax and that was pretty much the only thing i owned. I think during the defence, you and iron stayed down south attacking fix and didnt see many razor pilots in the fountain and cloudring campaign. So i can see how you didnt get to know my old alliance very well. I'll admit FLA was the red headed stepchild of the north but the lack of help after the MC steamroll left a bitter taste in my mouth of the NC leadership. That being said there are a great many good pilots in your ranks and it was fun flying with them. Thats basicly why i dont really dont care for the NC leadership and question your motives in the grand scheme of things. this was back in my ARBL days Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader lolz Stop banning me please
Overt Ops	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:56:00 - [40]
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 05:14:00 - [41] Originally by: dastommy79 When sparta was first given northern dek, iron leadership made it known that after the war that sparta should be removed. Tbh i wasnt shocked when they moved out of the coalition and tried to be nuetral. Those guy put up one hell of a fight but were never really recongnized. FLA stayed in 0-2 and bunkered down there. We made our last stand and took about a month for MC to kick us out. What was left of us by the time we pulled out was nothing much. The majority of us pvp'rs came out with almost nothing. I left dek in a thorax and that was pretty much the only thing i owned. I think during the defence, you and iron stayed down south attacking fix and didnt see many razor pilots in the fountain and cloudring campaign. So i can see how you didnt get to know my old alliance very well. I'll admit FLA was the red headed stepchild of the north but the lack of help after the MC steamroll left a bitter taste in my mouth of the NC leadership. That being said there are a great many good pilots in your ranks and it was fun flying with them. Thats basicly why i dont really dont care for the NC leadership and question your motives in the grand scheme of things. this was back in my ARBL days Can't remember for sure, it was a while ago and the info I had at the time was 2nd hand so don't scream at me if it's inaccurate... but I seem to recall alliance leadership at the time stating that D2 had turned down any help from most of the northern coalition saying they'd deal with MC. If that's true you really have no reason to be ****ed at the northern entities... D2 were a bunch of asshats from day 1 and alienated most of their 'pets'/'allies' long before MC came north. Like I said... this is what I was told when I asked why we weren't sending fleets to help D2... but we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute. .
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.07.15 06:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Taram Caldar ... we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute. No, you didn't. MC never had any intention of taking out MM. Myn
Prof Patpending Warp badgers with guns	Posted - 2008.07.15 06:59:00 - [43] Screw all this MAX nonsense. Hammerfall Industries is biding its time until unleashing its ultimate offensive code name Male Chicken Brick or something I don't really understand Hammerfalles
mrspiggy FACTOR 8	Posted - 2008.07.15 07:49:00 - [44] Originally by: dastommy79 My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. May I point out the alliance ranking page ingame?
Tolsimir Wolfblood Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.15 08:05:00 - [45] Seriously stop posting all this crap on whats going to happen or whats not going to happen. Log on, get in a ship and join the fun. This is a game after all.
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.15 09:40:00 - [46] Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 09:44:19 Didn't Razor and Co sell out Stella Polar and various other alliances so INSURG could steam roll them? The general consensus was that Razor and Co didn't actually want them there, so instead of backstabbing them they let INSURG do the dirty work and claimed they were innocent in the whole matter by saying "Sorry guys, we're to busy in the South right now to help you..." I find it amusing that those same entities actually went back to the same area and trusted Razor and Co again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:00:00 - [47] Edited by: darth solo on 15/07/2008 12:03:20 gah, darn forums
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Reacz Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 11:49:39 Didn't Razor and Co sell out Stella Polar and various other alliances so INSURG could steam roll them? The general consensus was that Razor and Co didn't actually want them there, so instead of backstabbing them directly they let INSURG do the dirty work and claimed they were innocent in the whole matter by saying "Sorry guys, we're too busy in the South right now to help you..." I find it amusing that those same entities actually went back to the same area and trusted Razor and Co again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. As a sidenote, I seem to remember at least a couple or North Nap leaders/diplomats saying that letting INSURG conquer Stella Polar, Pheonix Alliance, etcs space was basically a goodwill gesture that would make INSURG join the Northern nap. Yep you are spot on you f*****n idiot. Thats why Stella Polar now has a station in branch, Jako (ex phoenix corp) is a member of RZR and such corps like Qauntar swords and alliances like GSA are still friends to RZR and living with us. We really sold them out didnt we. Atleast if your going to say something, makesure you have the evidence to back it up. TC4LIFE
Alpha Prime Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums. g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live. I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can. Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless. There is no price on true lojalty
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Alpha Prime Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f**ing facts straight before you post on the forums. g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live. I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can. Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeles Look at this nerdrage. Hey it's just a game. Oh and Goons kicked your Alliance out of Feythabolis, Omist, Esoteria, Paragon Soul. keep poasting The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..*
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:32:00 - [51] Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:34:08 Originally by: Centauris Nerd Rage Yeah you did, ya ****ing idiot. Of course, you'll never admit to it.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Alpha Prime Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums. g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live. I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can. Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless. Quoted because wow lol -clp
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Alpha Prime Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f***ing facts straight before you post on the forums. g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live. I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can. Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeless. 1. A coherent DICE post. I never expected this. That doesn't mean it's good, but it is more or less understandable. 2. Obligatory haha you're in DICE. 3. You girls can quit whining about the numbers now. Your leaders claimed to have pulled a Miss Cleo and planned it all in advance. When you whine about numbers, you undercut their claims (which get more and more bizarre as time goes on). 4. I can't believe you tried to drag an e-honor challenge (alliance 1v1, comedy) into a properly constituted trollfest. It's like you divided stupidity by zero. I don't know what else to say. P.S. Have a nice day! Arghy is the one true God and Dungar is His prophet.
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Reacz Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:49:38 Originally by: Centauris Nerd Rage Forum Aids Hi aneu TC4LIFE
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:55:00 - [55] Edited by: Reacz on 15/07/2008 14:56:39 Originally by: Centauris Hi aneu Yo.
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Taram Caldar ... we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute. No, you didn't. MC never had any intention of taking out MM. Myn Ahh forgive my mistake. We did engage several fleets with MC pilots in them in MM space. If you weren't trying to push them that's cool... we did engage MC though, on several occasions. Was fun fights as I recall... Either way My point stands: MM accepted assistance from the other northern entities while, at least according to information given by leadership, D2 turned it down. .
Zurasa Imperial Command	Posted - 2008.07.15 17:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Tress Macneille Originally by: Dianabolic The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one. That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them. It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?" And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at. Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head. "Let sleeping dogs lie"? ** that, grab the *** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun. Why do you insist on clinging to two year old stereotypes? You're getting kicked around the entire north by IRON and RA, but keep saying that you're the pvp masters in the region yep, everyone beat bOB, except you ppl
Crudamus Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 22:42:00 - [58] *carbear stare Whats this maxx?
Annaliese Witschak Galgorth's Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.15 23:13:00 - [59] it's not really a big surprise that the current diluted bob membership that has been absorbed from failed alliances like Lokta Volterra, Veritas, FIX, MC and assorted pets aren't very good at this game
Aales Eae Solus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.16 01:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Battlestar Galactica the north quitly sit and bide there time "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
rValdez5987 Amarr Tacos Revolution	Posted - 2008.07.16 13:34:00 - [61] Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a ***** while I shove my titan down your throat. Is that a metaphor? Hell if I know.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:53:00 - [62] Originally by: rValdez5987 Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a ***** while I shove my titan down your throat. Is that a metaphor? Hell if I know. You mean a euphemism? San Matari Official forums
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:03:00 - [63] Non Agression Pacts are fine if you want your PVPers bored. It is a shame more real PVP alliances don't stand alone versus multi-alliance blobs out in 0.0 IMHO.
BobbySteelz Dirty Deedz	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:07:00 - [64] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: TroNaaR Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50 To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs. HAHAH! Left the funny bits. Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well. me and tronnar were also in an old north alliance. We lived up there for a long long time. I personaly fought in the NFC, Goon, Bob, Tri, sparta and MC conflicts. Not bitter, experienced. The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod. exactly, I'm pretty sure BRUCE had good friends or they thought they had good friends in the north, only to have certain coalitions just watch them get arse ****d over and over.. they weren't part of the north, but from my PoV they were friends.
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:17:00 - [65] Originally by: BobbySteelz exactly, I'm pretty sure BRUCE had good friends or they thought they had good friends in the north, only to have certain coalitions just watch them get arse ****d over and over.. they weren't part of the north, but from my PoV they were friends. We were blue to Bruce for all of a week or two when they were taking Y-2 from BOB. We reset Bruce before we even left Delve. Why would they even consider expecting assistance from us? I dont even think they asked. SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated Executive Commander RAZOR Alliance
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: dastommy79 since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. .... Yeah, sure. AFTER they fought hard with D2, AFTER they got steamrolled and NO ONE from the whole northern crew, especially not Razor helped then. Only after then when they were left all alone they switched sides. And where were Razor and the north to rescue Iron when they go rolled up? If I don't remember wrong Iron chose to pack up their stuff instead of fighting (like Sparta did) and moved to the drone regions. Nice try to spin the history Fred0, but too obvious. Don't tell **** here, Razor and the whole north is same as every other 0.0 power block: BoB, Goons+TCF, RA+friends. Same sh*t everywhere. Maybe you really think you are a bright shining hero, but that is just crap, there is no difference at all.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Gnulpie Yeah, sure. AFTER they fought hard with D2, AFTER they got steamrolled and NO ONE from the whole northern crew, especially not Razor helped then. Only after then when they were left all alone they switched sides. And where were Razor and the north to rescue Iron when they go rolled up? If I don't remember wrong Iron chose to pack up their stuff instead of fighting (like Sparta did) and moved to the drone regions. Nice try to spin the history Fred0, but too obvious. D2 said they did not want any help. They would take care of events in the north and stop the MC offensive and the other entities should keep the pressure in the south. They realised too late that they could not handle it. I lost a BS when I flew up to help and was not allowed to join the D2 defence gang since the FC did not want to talk english. When D2 finally accepted our offer to help most of the north was already lost. . you'll never jump alone
Overt Ops	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Non Agression Pacts are fine if you want your PVPers bored. It is a shame more real PVP alliances don't stand alone versus multi-alliance blobs out in 0.0 IMHO. Do you even know how this game works?
Aales Eae Solus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:30:00 - [69] Originally by: rValdez5987 Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a ***** while I shove my titan down your throat. All 2 inches of it?
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:35:00 - [70] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: rValdez5987 Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a ***** while I shove my titan down your throat. Is that a metaphor? Hell if I know. You mean a euphemism? pretty sure it's metaphorical.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: rValdez5987 Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a *** while I shove my titan down your throat. Is that a metaphor? Hell if I know. You mean a euphemism? I know you think you know what you said but I don't think you know what you mean. -- Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Lrrp Minmatar Drahathinar Tribe	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: rValdez5987 Edited by: rValdez5987 on 16/07/2008 13:34:20 Quote: "speak softly and carry a big stick" To be honest Id rather just yell and call you a ***** while I shove my titan down your throat. Is that a metaphor? Hell if I know. You mean a euphemism? pretty sure it's metaphorical. Maybe it is a allegory
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: ****ation The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory If you don't like it, go do something about it... Thats a great idea, Hey Molle, how bout we go up north and mess up their soverinity circle jerk. We could call it MAX and it could be like a game where people have fun and shooty shooty............... oh wait,
Lou Cypher The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.16 21:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Fred0 Sparta switched sides for example. .... Yeah, sure. AFTER they fought hard with D2, AFTER they got steamrolled and NO ONE from the whole northern crew, especially not Razor helped then. Only after then when they were left all alone they switched sides. And where were Razor and the north to rescue Iron when they go rolled up? If I don't remember wrong Iron chose to pack up their stuff instead of fighting (like Sparta did) and moved to the drone regions. Nice try to spin the history Fred0, but too obvious. Don't tell **** here, Razor and the whole north is same as every other 0.0 power block: BoB, Goons+TCF, RA+friends. Same sh*t everywhere. Maybe you really think you are a bright shining hero, but that is just crap, there is no difference at all. <.< >.> Sparta .. Tbow ... BPos.. McFly Shrike > Good Morning Northen Monekys, this is God speaking.
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.07.17 02:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Non Agression Pacts are fine if you want your PVPers bored. It is a shame more real PVP alliances don't stand alone versus multi-alliance blobs out in 0.0 IMHO. Wow, these comments are laughable. You just have no idea how many reds travel through NC territory. You should check their killboards when there are no major conflicts on and you will see there is plenty of opportunity for small scale PvP which is ultimately still the most enjoyable type of PvP. If you are a NC member it would be trivially easy to find constant reds to shoot at 24/7/365. Having a blob on your doorstep isn't the be-all of PvP conflict. The NAP or the NC protectorate is there so smaller alliances have a place in 0.0 in EVE. Without the Protectorate each of the alliances would get crushed by a major alliance. If each of their alliances acted as individual alliances none of them would be holding the kind of territory they have access to now. Each alliance faces constant conflict, they just don't ***** about it on the forums like most crappy alliances seem to do.
boo3916 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:42:00 - [76] northern nap train sux, gimme back deklein please and ello everyone who knows me been on a break for a few weeks be back soon to kill northerners, yaarrrr
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Fred0 Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. .... Yeah, sure. AFTER they fought hard with D2, AFTER they got steamrolled and NO ONE from the whole northern crew, especially not Razor helped then. Only after then when they were left all alone they switched sides. And where were Razor and the north to rescue Iron when they go rolled up? If I don't remember wrong Iron chose to pack up their stuff instead of fighting (like Sparta did) and moved to the drone regions. Nice try to spin the history Fred0, but too obvious. Don't tell **** here, Razor and the whole north is same as every other 0.0 power block: BoB, Goons+TCF, RA+friends. Same sht everywhere. Maybe you really think you are a bright shining hero, but that is just crap, there is no difference at all. You are extremely ***ing wrong on when we got rolled by MC. In fact you have absolutely zero clue and you wouldn't unless you're Koth or Ovaron or maybe a few select others. You have a grunts eye perspective forged in gossiping by bruised ego's. Me, Ovaron, Koth and Drantis talked daily and did what we thought was smartest. It didn't work out, no bones about that but to construct it into something else would just be wrong. Sparta and FLA btw were under D2's jurisdiction in Deklein. And your second point is all about perspectives I guess. Forum warriors like yourself especially has different pov's depending on agenda. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:42:00 - [78] Edited by: Moon Kitten on 17/07/2008 07:42:51 As a ~~forum warrior~~ gay babby let me tell you what I think about
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.17 09:03:00 - [79] I'm personally impressed with the current Northern Coalition. Much props to brilliant diplomats like Katsina. On the flip side, I think BOB is trying to save Eve from the Goons, because after SMASH it wasn't looking so good? Have fun o/ ~~Slinktress~~
Mei Han Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: dastommy79 since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished. Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. .... Yeah, sure. AFTER they fought hard with D2, AFTER they got steamrolled and NO ONE from the whole northern crew, especially not Razor helped then. Only after then when they were left all alone they switched sides. And where were Razor and the north to rescue Iron when they go rolled up? If I don't remember wrong Iron chose to pack up their stuff instead of fighting (like Sparta did) and moved to the drone regions. Nice try to spin the history Fred0, but too obvious. Don't tell **** here, Razor and the whole north is same as every other 0.0 power block: BoB, Goons+TCF, RA+friends. Same sh*t everywhere. Maybe you really think you are a bright shining hero, but that is just crap, there is no difference at all. Hi Zeveron, or any other greek player in BOB for that matter
Billy Merc Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.20 05:23:00 - [81] Edited by: Billy Merc on 20/07/2008 05:24:21 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: Alpha Prime Originally by: Battlestar Galactica Many people say that BoB have there fortress in Delve but as Goons have shown they can run in like the crazy little bees they are and kick the crap out of BoB on home turf I've grown tired of ignorant players like yourself claiming that g00ns were alone in that. How about you STFU and get your f*ing facts straight before you post on the forums. g00ns didn't do it solo, and everyone knows what would've happened if they did. I would like to see any, i repeat ANY alliance take on the numbers we did, and live. I dare any alliance 1on1, anywhere. And if you can't beat us, then crawl back to your little hole and STFU until you can. Your kind are like a frog without legs. Nothing but a big mouth and totally hopeles Look at this nerdrage. Hey it's just a game. Oh and Goons (AND TCF, CLS and a heap of others)** kicked your Alliance out of Feythabolis, Omist, Esoteria, Paragon Soul. keep poasting edited that for ya bud....seeing as you claim to know so much /sarcasim
bloomich Caldari In Siders	Posted - 2008.07.20 13:33:00 - [82] People NAPing to avoid pvp is bad. Its like playing a 8 player game of starcraft and watching all 8 players NAP up and the game gets boring for everyone. But a 8 player game of FFA is rather boring as well, but more exciting than a 8 player NAPfest. Best games I have seen are stuff like 4v4, 2v2v2v2 or 3v3v2 or 2v2v4 etc. Like I said, nothing wrong with people bluing up for pvp. But bluing up to avoid pvp is pretty bad.
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.21 00:27:00 - [83] North + Nap + Post in Caod = BOB alt like always in EVE history. Boring
Shadow Goon Caldari Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:13:00 - [84] Originally by: BobbySteelz Edited by: BobbySteelz on 16/07/2008 17:14:47 because i got high....... ahaha i faild ganking the fritgher in Jiiitaaa because i got high.......

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