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Roguehalo
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:42:00 -
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"The only people that should have a say so is my share holders, and just about eveyrone crying about it so far is alts, or non share holders. BTW i already know the outcome of the vote by talking with 4 people. But will do it anyway."
    
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Thoran Karlien
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Is your isk safer? That depends do you trust me with the 40bil or so I have access to ATM, and do you trust me to help keep the board, ricdic, and myself straight, and if I lose control or think bad things are happening do you think I would post it on the forums?
For me it is certainly not a question about trusting not to scam. I am talking about miscalculations. Events no one except CCP has any influence on. Imagine investing into a big research POS chain. Next day CCP announces that it changes BPO's so there won't be any ME / PE anymore. Yes, not likely to happen. The more you invest in a small segment, the riskier is your position should the small segment change. Coupled with the fact, that everybody makes mistakes, I hope you can see why relying onto one person is riskier. EBank was sold by saying it doesn't rely upon a single person.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thoran Karlien
Originally by: Proton Power Is your isk safer? That depends do you trust me with the 40bil or so I have access to ATM, and do you trust me to help keep the board, ricdic, and myself straight, and if I lose control or think bad things are happening do you think I would post it on the forums?
For me it is certainly not a question about trusting not to scam. I am talking about miscalculations. Events no one except CCP has any influence on. Imagine investing into a big research POS chain. Next day CCP announces that it changes BPO's so there won't be any ME / PE anymore. Yes, not likely to happen. The more you invest in a small segment, the riskier is your position should the small segment change. Coupled with the fact, that everybody makes mistakes, I hope you can see why relying onto one person is riskier. EBank was sold by saying it doesn't rely upon a single person.
And this is why we started another project. So the isk was divided up between differant aspects of Eve to reduce risk. May have said to much here now... -----------------------------------------------
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli |

Adnan Voss
Run rabbit Run
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:08:00 -
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What's an eebank now?
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LuthienTinuviel
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I request no other EBank employee post, lets get this over with.
Unfortunately Horse/Stable/Bolted come to mind in regards to that SencneS in regards to Shar leaving Ebank all the best for the future and whatever you do I think you have made the right choice here as for me well I was a tiny saver in Ebank anyway but as I in general have little trust for these things (other than the trust I I had in Shar from a long IG friendship) I doubt were I to come into significant funds in the future then I think Ebank given what I have read would certainly not be the place that I would put them. |

Salisuka
Caldari 98.4
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Salisuka on 16/07/2008 15:41:43
Originally by: Kwint Sommer I was getting a little worried but Hexxx's response went a ways toward allaying my concerns. I await that public statement.
What exactly were you expecting him to say other than what he said?
"OH NOES EBIL RICDICS HAS SOTLE ALL YOUR MONIES"?
Edit: After reading some of your other posts I just wanted to add that if you want to be on the ebank board, ask them nicely instead of fan posting on this board. You're a smart enough guy, no reason why they won't have you. |

Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nissan Sentra
Originally by: Thorrak McFluffypants The key thing that people need to understand is that EBANK is, as a result of the exercise being discussed, no longer a bank. It is now an IPO masquerading as a bank.
Signed.
Hate to burst all your bubbles, but E-Bank was never a "bank". They've always been an IPO. They just have had good marketing. If you didn't realize this then you didn't do the proper reading before making your investment. And if you didn't do the proper reading about them then your outrage here is a bit misplaced. You should really know what you're talking about if you're going to yell and scream about something. As has been proven by at least one person already stating they misunderstood what was going on.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Nissan Sentra
Originally by: Thorrak McFluffypants The key thing that people need to understand is that EBANK is, as a result of the exercise being discussed, no longer a bank. It is now an IPO masquerading as a bank.
Signed.
Hate to burst all your bubbles, but E-Bank was never a "bank". They've always been an IPO. They just have had good marketing. If you didn't realize this then you didn't do the proper reading before making your investment. And if you didn't do the proper reading about them then your outrage here is a bit misplaced. You should really know what you're talking about if you're going to yell and scream about something. As has been proven by at least one person already stating they misunderstood what was going on.
The term "Isk making thing"(IMT) has also seen wide adoption by WDA: Industry listeners. That is much more saying, I think. So we really need to adopt this on MD  
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Thorrak McFluffypants
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Hate to burst all your bubbles, but E-Bank was never a "bank". They've always been an IPO. They just have had good marketing. If you didn't realize this then you didn't do the proper reading before making your investment. And if you didn't do the proper reading about them then your outrage here is a bit misplaced. You should really know what you're talking about if you're going to yell and scream about something. As has been proven by at least one person already stating they misunderstood what was going on.
Originally by: Proton Power I will be putting in a vote to establish if my share holders find it unfair that I have chosen to help EBANK with my free time even though closing the IPO early....The only people that should have a say so is my share holders, and just about eveyrone crying about it so far is alts, or non share holders. BTW i already know the outcome of the vote by talking with 4 people. But will do it anyway.
On the one hand you're saying that ebank is an IPO, and depositors are investors in the IPO, yet on the other you have PP stating that the people whose money he's using shouldn't have a say in how he uses it. EBANK's depositors are investors in a risky IPO without voting rights. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, so long as people know what they're getting into.
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Thorrak McFluffypants
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS We also looked at the fact, with 200billion consumed by assets and a 100% whole owned Proton operation, would be better then allowing 200 billion ISK to be used in Loans.
There is a risk factor here and I'll give you the choices.
1) 200 Billion to Proton for 100% ownership of an operation designed to return at least our minimal 5%. (Projections are higher)
Can you clarify something for me -- thus far, PP has been referred to as an "advisor" and his involvement has been made to sound passive. Later, PP posts that he is only concerned with "his" shareholders implying -- as you directly state by saying that it is a 100% proton owned corporation -- that his involvement is far more active than the passive role implied elsewhere. Exactly what is going on with this investment and what controls are in place to ensure that depositor value is retained? What will happen to value if something happens to PP?
Basic portfolio management theory states that a diversified portfolio (lots of small loans to "Joes") virtually eliminates the non-systematic risk of the portfolio. If you have one company investing in sunblock, and one in umbrellas, you're going to make some money rain -OR- shine. If you invest entirely in umbrellas and it never rains, the quality of the manager of your umbrella factory becomes irrelevant.
I'm not trying to engage in personal attacks on PP here -- as I've stated before his behaviour is laudable and in my opinion should be emulated by other managers faced with a similar set of circumstances. What I'm wondering is exactly what EBANK is doing to prevent a similar situation from occuring with its depositor's money.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.16 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Thorrak McFluffypants
Originally by: SencneS We also looked at the fact, with 200billion consumed by assets and a 100% whole owned Proton operation, would be better then allowing 200 billion ISK to be used in Loans.
There is a risk factor here and I'll give you the choices.
1) 200 Billion to Proton for 100% ownership of an operation designed to return at least our minimal 5%. (Projections are higher)
Can you clarify something for me -- thus far, PP has been referred to as an "advisor" and his involvement has been made to sound passive. Later, PP posts that he is only concerned with "his" shareholders implying -- as you directly state by saying that it is a 100% proton owned corporation -- that his involvement is far more active than the passive role implied elsewhere. Exactly what is going on with this investment and what controls are in place to ensure that depositor value is retained? What will happen to value if something happens to PP?
Basic portfolio management theory states that a diversified portfolio (lots of small loans to "Joes") virtually eliminates the non-systematic risk of the portfolio. If you have one company investing in sunblock, and one in umbrellas, you're going to make some money rain -OR- shine. If you invest entirely in umbrellas and it never rains, the quality of the manager of your umbrella factory becomes irrelevant.
I'm not trying to engage in personal attacks on PP here -- as I've stated before his behaviour is laudable and in my opinion should be emulated by other managers faced with a similar set of circumstances. What I'm wondering is exactly what EBANK is doing to prevent a similar situation from occuring with its depositor's money.
Ebank would be fine without me. They have every minor detail on how to do what I do when I can. The details work well because ricdic has ran it for the last 2 weeks I was at sea to a perfection.
The only thing Ebank would lose is my thoughts on how to make the corp continue to grow at its current rate, but honestly most of Ebank Employee's understand what I am doing and how I do it, they would just have to put some time into it.
And I would probably help Ebank still with those thoughts, I would just not work for them or be affiliated with them. I would not leave my friends out to dry like that, and I have to much fun doing what I do.
Honestly I love doing what I do right now, and would hate to see the vote go what I would consider the wrong way. But if the share holders feel I should be punished because they didn't get the full 3.5% for a year, then so be it. -----------------------------------------------
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli |

CEO Nubbin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Thorrak McFluffypants Can you clarify something for me -- thus far, PP has been referred to as an "advisor" and his involvement has been made to sound passive. Later, PP posts that he is only concerned with "his" shareholders implying -- as you directly state by saying that it is a 100% proton owned corporation -- that his involvement is far more active than the passive role implied elsewhere. Exactly what is going on with this investment and what controls are in place to ensure that depositor value is retained? What will happen to value if something happens to PP?
By "his shareholders", I believe Proton is referring to the shareholders of his previous venture, PCT, which closed down here |

Roguehalo
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:36:00 -
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"Honestly I love doing what I do right now, and would hate to see the vote go what I would consider the wrong way. But if the share holders feel I should be punished because they didn't get the full 3.5% for a year, then so be it."
Hmm didn't you already say in a previous post that the vote was a foregone conclusion?
As loose cannons go Proton Power is about as loose as they come 
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.07.16 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Hmm didn't you already say in a previous post that the vote was a foregone conclusion?
As loose cannons go Proton Power is about as loose as they come 
It really is, since he talked to his biggest investors in private awhile ago, and they all understood they why and the how of his closing down the IPO.
"biggest investors" = those with +5b in shares in the last incarnation of PCT --
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jna
Caldari Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:01:00 -
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I wasn't a shareholder in PCT.
However I guess I'm missing something here - why should the ex-shareholders of the closed PCT IPO get to vote (even if it's a foregone conclusion) on whether PP should continue to act as a fund-managing-non-employee-part-time-consultant-not-really-director-board-discussion-participant for EBANK *after* the wind-up of the PCT IPO?
I mean, I don't give 2 hoots either way, I guess I'm just missing the connection. ------------------------------------------------- Caeleste naves interretis res gravissimas sunt |

Kwint Sommer
Caldari Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Hmm it seems like I completely got the wrong end of the stick.
So Proton Power burns out on a 69b IPO and as a cure he's taken on a 200b Ebank funded private IPO
Somebody here is stark raving bonkers and it sure as hell aint me.
Ya, because the only consideration as to how hard something is to manage is the overall price tag. Like managing a 50B T1 cruiser production, distribution and marketing system is so much easier than managing a 200B titan production, distribution and marketing system. What's really easier is personally managing every aspect of a 50B T1 cruiser production, distribution and marketing system as opposed to advising for a 200B titan production, distribution and marketing system. 
Apples and oranges, sir, you seem to be comparing them.
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Roguehalo
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: jna I wasn't a shareholder in PCT.
However I guess I'm missing something here - why should the ex-shareholders of the closed PCT IPO get to vote (even if it's a foregone conclusion) on whether PP should continue to act as a fund-managing-non-employee-part-time-consultant-not-really-director-board-discussion-participant for EBANK *after* the wind-up of the PCT IPO?
I mean, I don't give 2 hoots either way, I guess I'm just missing the connection.
Proton Power has decided that his credibility at Ebank now depends on the shareholders of his now defunct 69b ipo voting that to close it down like he did was a jolly good thing. Proton Power has stated that if the shareholders vote that no it wasn't a jolly good thing how he closed down his IPO then he will resign his "whatever his job at Ebank is" post.
However since Proton Power has also stated that he has consulted the major shareholders in his previous ipo and has been assured of a "yes" vote it all seems a bit pointless
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Earl Ragnar
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Throwing some numbers around and speculating:
1. EBank has about 1 Trillion on deposit 2. At about 2.5% per month average 3. EBank requires 25B per month in interest payments 4. EBank has a 280B loan book 5. Most loans at probably 8% 6. Loans make 22.4B per month 7. That leaves a 2.6B shortfall 8. EBank has further 720B in ISK capital 9. EBank uses 200B in asset backed business returning 5% 10. Business makes 10B per month 11. Minimum earnings = 32B and require 25B to cover interest 12. EBank holds some other assets leaving about 400B is liquid ISK
The 250-500B liquid ISK can handle all withdrawals. Loan book only earns so much interest EBank has to use capital to make more money, or they would have to reduce total deposits
Is your money totally secure. None is in Eve, but in EBank its safer than any other IPO.
No need to fuss. [/quote
I don't have any axe to grind here as I'm new to Eve, don't have any ISK invested in Ebank or any loans from them.
The only thing I can see missing from this otherwise helpful analysis is any mention of bad debt. I understand that some of EBank's loans are secured but are they all secured and does the security cover the full value of the loan? If not then presumably they must make some provision for bad debt which I'm guessing is higher in Eve than in RL.
Although, as I say, I'm a new player I'd hate to see EBank go under as I think they provide a valuable service and their demise would severely impact development of the Eve economy
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thorrak McFluffypants
Originally by: Shadarle
Hate to burst all your bubbles, but E-Bank was never a "bank". They've always been an IPO. They just have had good marketing. If you didn't realize this then you didn't do the proper reading before making your investment. And if you didn't do the proper reading about them then your outrage here is a bit misplaced. You should really know what you're talking about if you're going to yell and scream about something. As has been proven by at least one person already stating they misunderstood what was going on.
Originally by: Proton Power I will be putting in a vote to establish if my share holders find it unfair that I have chosen to help EBANK with my free time even though closing the IPO early....The only people that should have a say so is my share holders, and just about eveyrone crying about it so far is alts, or non share holders. BTW i already know the outcome of the vote by talking with 4 people. But will do it anyway.
On the one hand you're saying that ebank is an IPO, and depositors are investors in the IPO, yet on the other you have PP stating that the people whose money he's using shouldn't have a say in how he uses it. EBANK's depositors are investors in a risky IPO without voting rights. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, so long as people know what they're getting into.
Just because something is an IPO doesn't mean you have the least bit of say in how money is managed by it. Every person who has deposited in E-Bank automatically agrees to let E-Bank operate however they wish, as long as they pay the interest. If anyone ceases to agree they should withdraw their money. This is a non-standard IPO, but it is still definitely an IPO (as we define them on this forum anyhow). In this case though there is no lock on your funds, you can put them in and take them out whenever you wish... for this ability you sacrifice a few % of returns and rights to question the management of your money, but you gain all the other bells and whistles they offer as well.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Just because something is an IPO doesn't mean you have the least bit of say in how money is managed by it. Every person who has deposited in E-Bank automatically agrees to let E-Bank operate however they wish, as long as they pay the interest. If anyone ceases to agree they should withdraw their money. This is a non-standard IPO, but it is still definitely an IPO (as we define them on this forum anyhow). In this case though there is no lock on your funds, you can put them in and take them out whenever you wish... for this ability you sacrifice a few % of returns and rights to question the management of your money, but you gain all the other bells and whistles they offer as well.
I agree with this, and I think I even said something along these lines earlier regarding people putting their money in and not getting a say as to how it is used.
On another note to Roguehalo, most of your postings in this thread are blatant trolling/nonsence. You continue to post crap that has already been addressed. You and your reputation would do well to stfu or post constructively.
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Roguehalo
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
On another note to Roguehalo, most of your postings in this thread are blatant trolling/nonsence. You continue to post crap that has already been addressed. You and your reputation would do well to stfu or post constructively.
Hmm could you be a bit more specific please?
By 'constructively' do you mean in support of Ebank?
If you don't mean that the what exactly do you mean?
I'm not some Ebank minion to be bullied by the Big White Chief
Please try not to forget that
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:27:00 -
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Guys we need to focus our efforts in the right direction - finding a solution to this crisis. As I already stated in another thread, eBank needs to put Ricdic on leash and take Shar back. It's that simple.
Motherships
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Nayiin La'Tour
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Guys we need to focus our efforts in the right direction - finding a solution to this crisis. As I already stated in another thread, eBank needs to put Ricdic on leash and take Shar back. It's that simple.
But they do not want to do that. I apologize if I seem negative, this post is not meant to be a troll but It seems like they are waiting a couple of days for the drama to die down. Will post a nice statement, things will go back to normal. And thats the problem.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:48:00 -
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Where it started...
Originally by: Roguehalo Ok I'm a bit bored so I thought I'd indulge in a bit of idle speculation. Firstly it's got to be a given that Ricdic is the cause of Shars' resignation so this speculation will be predicated upon that surmisal. Speculation 1 :- Ricdic has got bored with Ebank and is no longer pulling his weight leading to irreconcilable differences. Speculation 2 :- Ricdics' rather laissez faire attitude towards integrity and probity has resulted in irreconcilable differences possibly connected with the recent 'Ebank stole my Investment' thread
Please feel free to add your own speculations (omg there's another smiley)
Unless of course Shar decides to spill the beans and put us all out of our misery.
Then it moved to this, at the time this was posted it had already been expained that he wasn't the guy running the operation(As it isn't an IPO at all, which was explained).
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmm it seems like I completely got the wrong end of the stick.
So Proton Power burns out on a 69b IPO and as a cure he's taken on a 200b Ebank funded private IPO
Somebody here is stark raving bonkers and it sure as hell aint me.
And this
Originally by: Roguehalo
As loose cannons go Proton Power is about as loose as they come 
Other than that, no one is asking you to be a minion of anyone. I am asking you to post constructively and avoid trolling, restating previous points that have already been answered, and being a smartass as if you have some reason to be ****ed about this situation. What you need to do is wait for the official statement instead of fueling a fire that was lit by people that don't even know what's going on. You really don't know half of whats going on and you won't find it out by making attacks.
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar Starlancers
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:52:00 -
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Firstly, Shar going back is not gonna happen. I was something before eBank, I continued to be something during eBank, and I will be something long after eBank. I did not need eBank, do not need eBank, and unlike some people I will still find plenty in eve to do if there is no eBank.
That being said, I'm quite please LaVista Vista posted. It is a shame he did not post an apology for stabbing me in the back. Hexxx asked me to feel some empathy for the dilemma this poor 17 year old man was in and I do.
I, too, almost betrayed someone in Eve. In August 2003 as a matter of fact. I was furious at how Mr Magic Hat Man was not only running TTI into the ground but seemingly had decided that my questioning motives and direction made me a liability. I was kicked out of the corp with all my friends... and then all my friends (people who asked "WTF" when I was crucified) were summarily kicked out as well. All our efforts, some people hunted down just after being kicked (0.0 politics) and killed/podded, my good name being slandered, etc., etc.. TTI was not a nice place then.
I turned to one person who I thought could help me get some payback. I used an alt and offered to spy on TTI internal going ons. (Silly TTI men, I still had access). And the person I offered to betray my former friends to replied, "No." This person pointed out to me that this is a game, that there really are limits to what one should be willing to do in this game, and that there are some prices that are too dirty to be considered in paying.
That person I have respected ever since. I like that person, in awe of that person's ability to post and to spin pr.
It was Jade Constantine.
Ethical people do not encourage nor take advantage of unethical actions by others. To do so is abhorrent.
Hexxx, when LaVista Vista broke the word he swore to me (when he gave you copy of my prepared statement) you should have either told him not to do it, don't you dare sent it to me, or how dare you do this?
LaVista Vista, for two hours yesterday we were on Ventrillo, after you betrayed me to Hexxx/eBank. You could have owned up and said that you could not in good conscience keep my confidence. Instead you tried getting me to be more eBank friendly in my responses or even to get me to doubt my own motivations in my actions. (Didn't work btw).
In essence, you not only betrayed me but you then sat on a ventrillo server where you were a guest and lied your ass off. Especially when I asked about your sudden change of tune. "So what is going on Charlie, they offer you my director seat?"
Also, in the future, you should not betray a long time friend if you wish to keep that Friend. Also I would think twice about doing it with someone who does not know how to keep his sources secret. If Hexxx hadn't slipped up, I'd have never known you were the viper at my breast.
At least with Judas, he kissed Chrsit in the betraying. Me, you just buggered without the pleasure of a reach around.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nayiin La'Tour
But they do not want to do that. I apologize if I seem negative, this post is not meant to be a troll but It seems like they are waiting a couple of days for the drama to die down. Will post a nice statement, things will go back to normal. And thats the problem.
You show up here today for the first time, post a stupid 40 billion IPO that is closed in 3 hours because you realize there will be no funding for you. And then you decide to stick around and troll the threads. You also think your newly formed opinion on things matters in some way. You've been here for a few hours and all of a sudden you are an expert on the goings on?
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Alex Redwidth
Caldari Industrial and Merchantile Investment Fund
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 You've been here for a few hours and all of a sudden you are an expert on the goings on?
Worried they are going to make you redundant?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Redwidth
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 You've been here for a few hours and all of a sudden you are an expert on the goings on?
Worried they are going to make you redundant?
There is no they, there is one person that showed up, didn't get funding, and is punishing us for it.
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
It has just come to my attention, the staff member that I would turn to in confidence (on vent and MSN) to discuss matters, sold me out to Hexxx.
You know who you are, come out and apologize.
I'd rather hate to string you up for it but either reclaim your dignity by manning up or I'll have to come clean to save someone else from making the same bad choice I did.
You knew my role in EBank all along. You knew what I was doing, you read the threads I made on the EBank board, trying to solve this whole issue before you brought it to the forum. You knew what I had to do if you crossed that line that was put in the sand. There was no confidence, you knew this too. You knew anything done on the EBank forum was not private. You knew that taking a complete copy of the forum didn't help your case. But you did it.
At the point where you went mad and started becoming unreasonable, I could not justify looking trough fingers about your behavior. I did what I had to do. When a person I care about, take a pistol and aim it, I can not justify trying NOT to stop him, when I know the gun is going to blow up in his hand.
You also know how much I had to give up for trying to solve all this. You read the forums, you saw I was the one who took action on this whole matter. You KNEW I have put my health at risk. Repeated astma attacks, acute-stress attacks, sinus and ear problems, it's all due to this. Do you think I do it for fun? Do you think I enjoy doing it? I will let you in on a secret: I don't. But I had to do it for my own peace of mind. I could not forgive myself if something went wrong and the foundation EBank builds on, went liquid. It would ruin what I stand for, the community. That is why I'm still here. I rarely log in these days. I'm just here to help the community. Screwing them over would be the last thing I would do.
The fact is you pushed me into a situation which was not comfortable. And you knew what would happen. It was me who made all this happen, because I stepped up and took action on all this. Don't blame me. I know your intention with this thread, you have told me all along. Don't try to spin it. Several people have already called you out on it.
It's a shame to see you leave, Shar. I enjoyed working together with you and you helped EBank getting to where it is. And it's a shame it had to end this way. It's a shame you can't be there to see the change which is finally coming along from me stepping up to the plate to solve all these issues. Though a lot of the content of this post is largely over-amplified to the point where it's twisted completely, it's obvious that there is some issues that needs solved.
Needless to say, some interesting initiatives are being considered by the board. And I can wholeheartedly say that I'm happy with the way these issues are being solved. EBank has seen growing pains. But the final stretch is being had, and EBank can finally work together as a team again.
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Nayiin La'Tour
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Shar, thats no way for a preacher to be talkin. 
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