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NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:35:00 - [31] Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/07/2008 18:40:08 Originally by: Akiba Penrose Originally by: Nikita Aratsu a drake can tank about 600+ dps without having to use its cap for anything. A rigged hurricane will tank about 350dps and have to use cap. Learn to fit your ships you nub . Both those setups are full of fail. not only are the setups "Fail", but anyone knows that a drake that has THAT good a tank will actaully have F* all cap regen to speak off as well due to the use of SPR's. maybe i should start screaming about my brutix and get that nerfed cause it can do 740 dps, ohhh wait... thats all it can do. ;) much like really all the drake can do is tank. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:38:00 - [32] PROTIP: Passive Drakes are totally useless in PVP. A well fit cruiser is a much, MUCH better addition.
dan drorgar Minmatar Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:45:00 - [33] No, Drakes are fine ... Just takes a while to kill them with 7 nanoships and a Falcon. ;-)
Joakim Wasyl Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:54:00 - [34] Clearly this thread has proved that my, I mean the Hurricane needs a buff.
stunna13 Archon Industries Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Nikita Aratsu Passive tanking needs to be looked at, a drake can tank about 600+ dps without having to use its cap for anything. A rigged hurricane will tank about 350dps and have to use cap. The problem with passive tanking is it makes you immune to all forms for cap warfare, which imo is not fair, one on one the drake is overpowered vs other battlecruisers as they will have a hard time breaking its tank and its likely the drake will win eventually. Drakes and all forms of passive tanking seriously needs balanceing. why dont you cross train and use a drake... im doing it with mini ships... stop crying b/c we have one ship this is good that dont cost 100mill... and iits not like a drake will just blow you away or anything lol b/c it has low dps... _________________ The BIG Lottery
L33T Lobo Trouble Every Day	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:10:00 - [36] Originally by: dan drorgar No, Drakes are fine ... Just takes a while to kill them with 7 nanoships and a Falcon. ;-) EVERYONE KNOWS THAT PASSIVE TANKS ARE OVERPOWERED! YOU SHOULD NOT NEED THAT MANY SHIPS TO KILL ONE, ITS JUST UNFAIR! WHEN I FIT MY SHIP I NEED TO USE CAP TO TANK, ITS UNFAIR THAT SOME SHIPS DON'T NEED IT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT PVP, THE DRAKE IS TOO OVERPOWERED. IT DOES NOT NEED CAP AND DOES TOO MUCH DPS. ----INSERT DPS CALCULATIONS OF PASSIVE TANKING SHIPS, INFLATED WILDLY TO MAKE MY POINT----- This is how we get what we want in eve right ? No ? BRB, GOTTA BACK LOTS MORE ALTS TO SPAM FORUM WITH!1!!
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Nikita Aratsu Edited by: Nikita Aratsu on 28/07/2008 18:00:01 the point is the drakes tank is twice as strong (probally more than that) than the rigged hurricane(and does more damage),and the tank cant be broken with neuts, as its 100% capless. passive tanking should be toned down. or make shield power relays into a module that needs to be active to increase the shields regen, that would be the easiest fix. More damage than the cane? I don't know what you smoked, but it's good. Can I have some? show me a setup to that effect. And a totally passive drake may be able to tank, but it can't move anywhere (no cap regen) nor be of any use in PvP (no ewar), can't move around (no AB or MWD) Basically you're criticizing a setup that is 100% pure tank only. Sounds like you tried to gank a drake and failed. Well, get some friends next time, it won't go anywhere while they come...
Kash Ka Amarr Point of No Return Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:30:00 - [38] lol this is amusing, op the drake is ment to tank, but the hurricane is ment to gank u cannot compare the two when it comes down to tank. --------------==============================-------------- Forgiveness is between you and god, im just here to arrange the meeting.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:34:00 - [39] Who cares about tank? My best effort T2 armor tank fit hurricane comes out at about 50k effective HP and around 280 dps damage. However, one fit for dps like below comes out at 56k effective HP and around 450 dps damage. So, moral of the story, don't fit hurricane for tank, fit it for gank? There's probably many ways to improve on the below fit, and while the DPS is not enough to take down the best fitted drake, it dishes some hurt on other ships of its class as well as most lesser fit drakes while retaining real good tackling ability. [Hurricane, dps] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Peregrine Priscus Caldari Lions Of Judah Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:35:00 - [40] The OP seems to have cried enough that I award this thread "Should be playing WoW with the other crying kiddies" gold star. ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:37:00 - [41] a 450 dps gank hurricane is still a failfit
Ashaz Mindstar Technology The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:37:00 - [42] passive shieldtanking is just fine... as long as i can get an armortank that has a HUGE HP-buffer, regenerates automaticaly without a repper even faster then a dual repper setup could possibly do and requires no cap what so ever. kthxbye see how ridiculous that idea sounds? now considder that this is exactly what a passive shield does today.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Lorz0r on 28/07/2008 19:44:01 Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 19:39:16 Who cares about tank? My best effort T2 armor tank fit hurricane comes out at about 50k effective HP and around 280 dps damage. However, one fit for dps like below comes out at 56k effective HP and around 450 dps damage. So, moral of the story, don't fit hurricane for tank, fit it for gank? There's probably many ways to improve on the below fit, and while the DPS is not enough to take down the best fitted drake, it dishes some hurt on other ships of its class as well as most lesser fit drakes while retaining real good tackling ability. [Hurricane, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 fit whatever you want in the meds but thats 600dps and 65k EHP and its STILL not a real gank hurricane
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Ashaz passive shieldtanking is just fine... as long as i can get an armortank that has a HUGE HP-buffer, regenerates automaticaly without a repper even faster then a dual repper setup could possibly do and requires no cap what so ever. kthxbye see how ridiculous that idea sounds? now considder that this is exactly what a passive shield does today. Damb, you're right. That's why the passive-tanked drake is the curse of EvE, dominating wherever it goes. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Belatu Cadro Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Nikita Aratsu Passive tanking needs to be looked at, a drake can tank about 600+ dps without having to use its cap for anything. A rigged hurricane will tank about 350dps and have to use cap. The problem with passive tanking is it makes you immune to all forms for cap warfare, which imo is not fair, one on one the drake is overpowered vs other battlecruisers as they will have a hard time breaking its tank and its likely the drake will win eventually. Drakes and all forms of passive tanking seriously needs balanceing. Passive Tanked Cane can tank 730+ DPS & do 300+ DPS.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:45:00 - [46] Fine, OK. Time for my top secret LOLfit hurricane. EFT Defense value: 695 EFT DPS value: 299 dps Moral: Don't complain? Hurricane is an AWESOME passive tanker [Hurricane, recharge] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Havoc Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Havoc Heavy Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Ashaz passive shieldtanking is just fine... as long as i can get an armortank that has a HUGE HP-buffer, regenerates automaticaly without a repper even faster then a dual repper setup could possibly do and requires no cap what so ever. kthxbye see how ridiculous that idea sounds? now considder that this is exactly what a passive shield does today. whats the matter cant kill a drake with your curse/pilgrim I like to crack drake open with a battleship, not to even mention most drakes fit a few bcus, and the ones I'm used to seeing tend to have giant em holes.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:52:00 - [48] Edited by: Lorz0r on 28/07/2008 19:55:12 oh man EFT threads are so much fun!!! [Hurricane, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin I x2 Hobgoblin I x3 795 DPS tank, deaks 455 DPS, no implants and good (not all V) skills. I impress even myself with that one. EDIT: With T2 drones and Void ammo thats 517 DPS. Jesus I should start flying one! I'm sick of being called instant primary.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:52:00 - [49] Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 19:55:02 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 28/07/2008 19:44:01 Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 19:39:16 Who cares about tank? My best effort T2 armor tank fit hurricane comes out at about 50k effective HP and around 280 dps damage. However, one fit for dps like below comes out at 56k effective HP and around 450 dps damage. So, moral of the story, don't fit hurricane for tank, fit it for gank? There's probably many ways to improve on the below fit, and while the DPS is not enough to take down the best fitted drake, it dishes some hurt on other ships of its class as well as most lesser fit drakes while retaining real good tackling ability. [Hurricane, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 fit whatever you want in the meds but thats 600dps and 65k EHP and its STILL not a real gank hurricane I don't know what godly skills you have in gunnery/missiles mate, but that comes out at 492 for me. Hardly an improvement on my fit which didn't even include drones and worse launchers.. You'd be better off for gank power in my fit but with the XE launchers I'd bet, with your awesome skills... Or, like your corp name goes.... ;))
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:00:00 - [50] Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 19:55:02 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 28/07/2008 19:44:01 Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 19:39:16 Who cares about tank? My best effort T2 armor tank fit hurricane comes out at about 50k effective HP and around 280 dps damage. However, one fit for dps like below comes out at 56k effective HP and around 450 dps damage. So, moral of the story, don't fit hurricane for tank, fit it for gank? There's probably many ways to improve on the below fit, and while the DPS is not enough to take down the best fitted drake, it dishes some hurt on other ships of its class as well as most lesser fit drakes while retaining real good tackling ability. [Hurricane, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 Hammerhead II x1 fit whatever you want in the meds but thats 600dps and 65k EHP and its STILL not a real gank hurricane I don't know what godly skills you have in gunnery/missiles mate, but that comes out at 492 for me. Hardly an improvement on my fit which didn't even include drones and worse launchers.. You'd be better off for gank power in my fit but with the XE launchers I'd bet, with your awesome skills... Or, like your corp name goes.... ;)) my 'godly' DPS realted skills skills are: gunnery 5 med auto spec 4 med projectile 5 rapid firing 5 surgical strike 4 battlecruisers 5 Missle Operation 5 Warhead upg. 4 Rapid launch 5 and all drones DPS skills at 3 or lower!
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Lorz0r my 'godly' DPS realted skills skills are: gunnery 5 med auto spec 4 med projectile 5 rapid firing 5 surgical strike 4 battlecruisers 5 Missle Operation 5 Warhead upg. 4 Rapid launch 5 and all drones DPS skills at 3 or lower! Not my point, friend. My fit : 530 DPS with your launchers and drones added. Your fit: Stated at OVER 600 DPS, but I only got 492 in EFT with MY skills. = My fit does an insane something like 800 DPS with your imagined skills!
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:26:00 - [52] Originally by: ApaKaka Originally by: Lorz0r my 'godly' DPS realted skills skills are: gunnery 5 med auto spec 4 med projectile 5 rapid firing 5 surgical strike 4 battlecruisers 5 Missle Operation 5 Warhead upg. 4 Rapid launch 5 and all drones DPS skills at 3 or lower! Not my point, friend. My fit : 530 DPS with your launchers and drones added. Your fit: Stated at OVER 600 DPS, but I only got 492 in EFT with MY skills. = My fit does an insane something like 800 DPS with your imagined skills! I don't want to start embarassing you with screenshots but I didn't state OVER 600 DPS at all. stop making things up. The screen I am looking at now says 584 DPS with no implants, gang bonuses or faction mods. Infact, **** it I can get even more than that. Changing drones slightly and using Hail M and Rage Fury missiles I get 653 DPS with exactly the same tank. So yeah even if I did say OVER 600 DPS I still can. Owned, via the power of fact.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:29:00 - [53] Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 20:33:29 Originally by: Lorz0r I don't want to start embarassing you with screenshots but I didn't state OVER 600 DPS at all. stop making things up. The screen I am looking at now says 584 DPS with no implants, gang bonuses or faction mods. Infact, ** it I can get even more than that. Changing drones slightly and using Hail M and Rage Fury missiles I get 653 DPS with exactly the same tank. So yeah even if I did say OVER 600 DPS I still can. Owned, via the power of fact. Logic failing here? I put your exact fit in EFT. I even named it appropriately beforehand to [liar]. I got 492 DPS. Fact! So either the fit you have doesn't correspond to the one you're posting, or well, the fit was very aptly named. Edit: Fine, lets just do All Level V and be complete EFT ***s. [Liar] fit (yours previously posted) gives me 62,895 Effective HP, 623 DPS [dps] fit (mine previously posted) gives 57,768 effective HP, 650 DPS, same ammo, same damagetypes. Embarassed yet?
Illwill Bill Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Lorz0r PROTIP: Passive Drakes are totally useless in PVP. A well fit cruiser is a much, MUCH better addition. This. Drakes are still fun for 1v1's against plated opponents, though. :) ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:40:00 - [55] Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 20:33:29 Originally by: Lorz0r I don't want to start embarassing you with screenshots but I didn't state OVER 600 DPS at all. stop making things up. The screen I am looking at now says 584 DPS with no implants, gang bonuses or faction mods. Infact, ** it I can get even more than that. Changing drones slightly and using Hail M and Rage Fury missiles I get 653 DPS with exactly the same tank. So yeah even if I did say OVER 600 DPS I still can. Owned, via the power of fact. Logic failing here? I put your exact fit in EFT. I even named it appropriately beforehand to [liar]. I got 492 DPS. Fact! So either the fit you have doesn't correspond to the one you're posting, or well, the fit was very aptly named. Edit: Fine, lets just do All Level V and be complete EFT ***s. [Liar] fit (yours previously posted) gives me 62,895 Effective HP, 623 DPS [dps] fit (mine previously posted) gives 57,768 effective HP, 650 DPS, same ammo, same damagetypes. Embarassed yet? What are you on about? you're doing it wrong. Gimme 2 secs to upload some pictures...
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:48:00 - [56] that settles it, i'm making a shield tanked cane. i'll bump the thread with the loss mail as soon as it dies. - -
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Lorz0r Originally by: ApaKaka Edited by: ApaKaka on 28/07/2008 20:33:29 Originally by: Lorz0r I don't want to start embarassing you with screenshots but I didn't state OVER 600 DPS at all. stop making things up. The screen I am looking at now says 584 DPS with no implants, gang bonuses or faction mods. Infact, ** it I can get even more than that. Changing drones slightly and using Hail M and Rage Fury missiles I get 653 DPS with exactly the same tank. So yeah even if I did say OVER 600 DPS I still can. Owned, via the power of fact. Logic failing here? I put your exact fit in EFT. I even named it appropriately beforehand to [liar]. I got 492 DPS. Fact! So either the fit you have doesn't correspond to the one you're posting, or well, the fit was very aptly named. Edit: Fine, lets just do All Level V and be complete EFT ***s. [Liar] fit (yours previously posted) gives me 62,895 Effective HP, 623 DPS [dps] fit (mine previously posted) gives 57,768 effective HP, 650 DPS, same ammo, same damagetypes. Embarassed yet? What are you on about? you're doing it wrong. Gimme 2 secs to upload some pictures... http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n121/Lorzor_2006/shh.jpg There. you get 623 with all level 5. I get 659 with the skills you see there on the screen. How can that be possible?! That's because you're doing it wrong. Want me to go back to HML's? it goes down a whole 16 DPS. Owned. Again via the power of fact. Stop posting now, You're turning me into a forum warrior.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:52:00 - [58] Hey guys, look at how overpowered my Drake is! 6x 425 mm AC II 3x LSE, 2x Inv II 5x SPR II 3x purgers 2x Ogres, 2x HH, 1x Hobgob That tanks 888 DPS and deals 520 DPS! Please nerf this overpowered monstrosity of a ~~Drake~~ Myrmidon.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Gypsio III Hey guys, look at how overpowered my Drake is! 6x 425 mm AC II 3x LSE, 2x Inv II 5x SPR II 3x purgers 2x Ogres, 2x HH, 1x Hobgob That tanks 888 DPS and deals 520 DPS! Please nerf this overpowered monstrosity of a ~~Drake~~ Myrmidon. They already did, I want my 5 Ogre II's back :(
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Soldiers Of Mercy Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:54:00 - [60] this thread sucks. boost passive tanks. _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.

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