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Denuo Secus	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:08:00 - [31] Is a small nos on an AS able to counter a medium or large neut?
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:21:00 - [32] Depends on how much cap you'll use. With just an AB running yes, it would counter 1 med or large neut (they are too slow between neut times). If you can't run off of however much cap you get from 1 nos or don't have your AB and nos timed together so you get neuted after you get nossed but before your ab reactivates, you are screwed. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:34:00 - [33] with the cycle timer on a small nos i doubt you'd have any trouble getting cap back (and spending it) before the next neut cycle hits, it's mor troublesome if it's a sentinel or another small neut...
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 30/07/2008 14:13:01 Originally by: Tassi Anything else than an ishkur is crap anyhow, jaguar may be alright aswell. Why? Some other ASs do also approx 200DPS... ... or 300 even. A ranis gets around 200 nicely skilled/fit. The ishkur is a good ship but not a reason to go gallente AFs, IMO. Everyone knows how powerful the curse is... well, compare its little brother to the ishkur and come to your own conclusion. The amarr ceptors are pretty good too so that frig 5 train is a pretty good deal.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.07.30 18:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Yaro Edited by: Yaro on 30/07/2008 14:15:57 wait till you meet cruise missile raven with precision t2 missiles and neutralizers + drones :) you will die in few seconds, or other missile or drone bazed BC/BS/Hac. Af are useless anyway Just wanted to point out the fallacy of this assumption. When using an AB, the sig radius of AF's is tiny, absolutely tiny. Precision Cruise missiles are going to do almost 1/4 damage against an assault frig. This means you are facing 100 DPS tops from a raven using precision cruises and 3 damage mods. When you count in your resistances, this becomes a very non-scary situation. Pop the drones and you are in very little danger. The true danger to assault ships will be as it always should have been, smaller ship classes fit specifically to fight small ships, not BS's, and definately not the cruise raven. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.30 19:02:00 - [36] even now without the speed boost, a full passive shield jag with AB can tank a raven with torps like u have mentioned...its only the lack of solo dps that holds it back. drones arent too much of a worry, its other frigates and dessies with good gank fit that are the worry. Horray for thr re-birth of small ship combat viability on a wider scale!!! Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2008.07.30 19:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Deadeye Devie Horray for thr re-birth of small ship combat viability on a wider scale!!! \o/ Cannot wait when it will reach TQ. When was that?
Berendas	Posted - 2008.07.30 19:22:00 - [38] I can't wait to jump into my Enyo and be useful at long last
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.30 20:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Yaro Edited by: Yaro on 30/07/2008 14:15:57 wait till you meet cruise missile raven with precision t2 missiles and neutralizers + drones :) you will die in few seconds, or other missile or drone bazed BC/BS/Hac. Af are useless anyway Yes, but a Megathron with small guns also kills AFs very well. Of course, when it meets another BS, then things go bad, very bad. AFs are useful now. You have no clue. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:17:00 - [40] Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 30/07/2008 21:19:33 i, for 1 wish to thank Branko for testing these situations out so that we know, from what ive come to know as a competent and well practiced AF user, what to expect from this class, post patch. heres to seeing more AFs ganged and roaming!!! time to finish off caldari frigates so i can use em all!!!! Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Berendas	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:36:00 - [41] So now that its pretty definite, what roles would you guys suggest using for an Enyo and Ishkur, I have both but I don;t know which to use for which situation. Also, I move that this topic's name be changed from 'AFs are working now, kinda' to 'AFs are working now, HELLZ YEAH'
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:39:00 - [42] Indeed, great stuff Branko! Thx for testing
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:46:00 - [43] This is really cool to hear. Thanks for the info Branko. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:50:00 - [44] Lets just hope they dont overdo it on any side. AF's are on the edge right now, and a single tweak in anything would ruin their shot at being useful again. Keep hoping that whoever enters the next set of changes in the SiSi DB isnt a butterfingers guy. -
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.30 21:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Berendas So now that its pretty definite, what roles would you guys suggest using for an Enyo and Ishkur, I have both but I don;t know which to use for which situation. So far I would suggest using the Ishkur for everything if you have any drone skills to speak of. The only use of the Enyo I can see is maybe using rails and being a frigate-sized sniper. Maybe with a few speed mods. Sorry If it had a extra damage bonus and some more fitting space you could treat it as a Gallente Wolf, but unfortunately it doesn't. On the upside, the Ishkur really rocks. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:41:00 - [46] Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 31/07/2008 18:42:30 me? im planning to use my ishkur as a logistics and combat frigate, carry 1 full complement of repper drones and 1 full compliment of gobbie 2s...add a tracking disrupter with tracking speed script and follow on after a jag and harpey i know, maybe get 1 or 2 others in on this. jag with scram, harpey with web...maybe a wolf or 2 with another web or something....should be fun gang work!!! hmmm....pure neut vengence......could be fun...must see if it works.... Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Tassi Anything else than an ishkur is crap anyhow, jaguar may be alright aswell. BLARPY!!!!!!
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:34:00 - [48] blarpys and jags all shield tank with ishkur using shield repper drones in emergencies!!!! Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2008.07.31 22:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Bufo8o2 A blaster harpy can go over 250dps and still keep a decent tank and afterburner, it can even get near 300dps with a damage rig. Assault frigs can't be that useless especially if they're getting boosted with the patch. try and hit the broad side of a barn while orbiting at speed on a blaster harpy though, even if you manage to hit a little you are not pulling anywhere near 250 with all the misses
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:28:00 - [50] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 01/08/2008 06:32:17 Originally by: Shardrael Originally by: Bufo8o2 A blaster harpy can go over 250dps and still keep a decent tank and afterburner, it can even get near 300dps with a damage rig. Assault frigs can't be that useless especially if they're getting boosted with the patch. try and hit the broad side of a barn while orbiting at speed on a blaster harpy though, even if you manage to hit a little you are not pulling anywhere near 250 with all the misses I did the math and even with AB on, you will hit 75-95% of time for full dmg because of the fact that your are moving slower to keep orbit and you will be probably webbed too. btw I think AS still need they lost 4th bonus.
Trigos Trilobi X-Fire	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Shardrael try and hit the broad side of a barn while orbiting at speed on a blaster harpy though, even if you manage to hit a little you are not pulling anywhere near 250 with all the misses You might not hit another frig orbitting at full speed, but you will hit a cruiser very well due to your weapon sig resolution vs cruiser sig radius acting as a 3-4x multiplier for your tracking. If you're still missing a cruiser, you can safely slow down a bit or even turn ab off, if you can't hit with small blaster tracking (times 3-4x), the cruiser sure as hell won't hit you with cruiser gun tracking (divided by 3-4 for same reason). My sisi testing with a rifter against a thorax proved this pretty well, unwebbed with or without ab the only risk was the drones. Basically it seems that you need to fit same mods as the cruiser as a bare minimum, eg. if you only have scram, you might be in trouble if the cruiser as either ab or a web, if you have ab+scram, you're safe unless the cruiser has ab+web or dual webs.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Trigos Trilobi Originally by: Shardrael try and hit the broad side of a barn while orbiting at speed on a blaster harpy though, even if you manage to hit a little you are not pulling anywhere near 250 with all the misses You might not hit another frig orbitting at full speed, but you will hit a cruiser very well due to your weapon sig resolution vs cruiser sig radius acting as a 3-4x multiplier for your tracking. If you're still missing a cruiser, you can safely slow down a bit or even turn ab off, if you can't hit with small blaster tracking (times 3-4x), the cruiser sure as hell won't hit you with cruiser gun tracking (divided by 3-4 for same reason). My sisi testing with a rifter against a thorax proved this pretty well, unwebbed with or without ab the only risk was the drones. Basically it seems that you need to fit same mods as the cruiser as a bare minimum, eg. if you only have scram, you might be in trouble if the cruiser as either ab or a web, if you have ab+scram, you're safe unless the cruiser has ab+web or dual webs. he will hit frigs very well too except maybe some ghey interceptors but those go down pretty fast against an AS =P
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.01 07:40:00 - [53] Originally by: MenanceWhite Wow it's not as if they were'nt able to do this before. 90% web = dead Assault Frigate
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.01 07:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Tassi Anything else than an ishkur is crap anyhow, jaguar may be alright aswell. nonsense. Harpy can fit med guns out to 100km. U can not say that is not cool for a frig poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.01 08:02:00 - [55] I have an Enyo that does 300 DPS. www.siigarikitawa.com
Faydelm Caldari Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.08.01 08:53:00 - [56] I don't know how great a boost they got to be honest. I've killed many AFs on SISI in all types of ships: ishtar, harbinger, and hurricane. They start shooting my drones I pull them in and spit them out. I haven't been solo'd by one these "boosted" AFs yet. Anyone want to 1v1 my ishtar on sisi?
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.01 08:58:00 - [57] This thread makes me happy :D /me hugs his Ishkur, ive been flying my ishkur even when ppl says it is broken but with its high resists against blasters it can take out thoraxes nicely. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Trigos Trilobi X-Fire	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:08:00 - [58] Edited by: Trigos Trilobi on 01/08/2008 09:10:27 Originally by: Faydelm I don't know how great a boost they got to be honest. I've killed many AFs on SISI in all types of ships: ishtar, harbinger, and hurricane. They start shooting my drones I pull them in and spit them out. I haven't been solo'd by one these "boosted" AFs yet. Anyone want to 1v1 my ishtar on sisi? Well, I'm not surprised if you can kill an AF in a t2 cruiser (especially a drone hac) or a bc. T1 cruiser is more equal match, and even that only if the cruiser is turret based. The durability however is greatly enhanced now if you use an ab+scram smaller ship class against a turret based bigger class, so you can tackle in web range a lot longer than 10 secs like on TQ. Quote: 90% web = dead Assault Frigate Yep the 60% webs and specifically the scram change are the key here. Previously, a bigger ship could always web + hit mwd, and the smaller ship only had the option of either being slower -> 0 transversal and a pretty explosion soon after, or hit mwd and lose the sig radius advantage, again resulting in fireworks.
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:28:00 - [59] A gang on enyos in now a scary, scary thing. Fit them with 4 guns + nos, ion blasters EAT drones even heavies, so 3-4 will rapidly take down drones first and then everything else. Great for taking down larger targets (exactly how they should be). --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:31:00 - [60] hmm... jav rocket vengys or benyos... choices... choices --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.

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