Originally by: Zarnak Wulf

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I love my wolf. Two setups I have:

No contribution to the group but gank wolf:
High:
200mm II x 4
rocket launcher II
Med:
MWD II or AB II (2300m/s or 924m/s)
Microbooster
Low:
SAR II
200 rolled tungsten
energized reactive II
energized magnetic II
rigs:
projectile burst
projectile collision

Tough as nails and 192 DPS w/ Barrage or EMP. 240DPS w/ Hail for those silly large targets. Overheating for special occasions makes it really nasty.

Wolf Tackler:
High:
150mm II x 4
Small Nos II
Med:
AB II
Warp Scrambler II
Low:
SAR II
200mm Rolled Tungsten
energized reactive II
energized magnetic II
Rigs:
projectile burst
projectile collision

169 DPS w/ barrage. Tough as nails for tackling.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/08/2008 13:56:25
Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/08/2008 13:54:24
Dont say that, nano users are busy whining ishkur will be overpowered.

Both ishkur and vengeance got another mid slot giving them ability to do bit more than just shooting opponent. When ishkur fits a web he is faster and will be able to get within blaster range.

My normal ishkur setup (i do it without rigs, but when you use rigs i also use them):
[Ishkur, blaster]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane II

Warp Scrambler II
1MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

With all lvl V, not overloaded it does 255 dps. And i can also take some other drones with me like rep drones in gangs or ECM drones solo.

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Originally by: Zantei

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Edited by: Zantei on 05/08/2008 13:57:21

Originally by: Furb Killer

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Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/08/2008 13:56:25
Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/08/2008 13:54:24
Dont say that, nano users are busy whining ishkur will be overpowered.

Both ishkur and vengeance got another mid slot giving them ability to do bit more than just shooting opponent. When ishkur fits a web he is faster and will be able to get within blaster range.

My normal ishkur setup (i do it without rigs, but when you use rigs i also use them):
[Ishkur, blaster]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane II

Warp Scrambler II
1MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

With all lvl V, not overloaded it does 255 dps. And i can also take some other drones with me like rep drones in gangs or ECM drones solo.

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Noticed you chose ions, is that due to fitting problems or that they're more balanced than neutrons which have slower tracking?

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Originally by: Zantei

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What about using one of the mids for a small electrochemical cap injector?

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Wont fit using neutrons. There are neutron blaster ishkur setups, you can basicly change for neutron blasters when you drop the nosferatu.

Neutron blaster setup gives 266 dps at lvl 5, also caldari navy AM. But personally i really like that nosferatu. Even with nos you cant perma run your repper, but you can run it much more than without nos. And of course with its short cycle time it is a life saver against ships with neuts.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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[Harpy, Blarpo]

Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II

Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

301 DPS according to EFT w/ lvl 5 skills

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Originally by: Gimpb

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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[Harpy, Blarpo]

Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II

Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

301 DPS according to EFT w/ lvl 5 skills

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Takes a lot of guts to fly something that slow, that small, and that expensive...

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Originally by: Kano Sekor

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geez with these changes no one will be flying turret using cruisers in low sec nor brutix or harbingers, :D

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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[Harpy, Blarpo]

Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II

Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

301 DPS according to EFT w/ lvl 5 skills

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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No seriously, tell me what the downside should be if not a little less dps. Humor me.

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Let's compare to torps. We get instant DPS over them (both have no cap), while they get:
- significantly more DPS
- better ability to hit small targets (particularly after no more 90% webbing!)
- FULLY SELECTABLE damage types (unlike us)
- better faction ammo (want to discuss base damage of EMP again?).

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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[Harpy, Blarpo]

Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II

Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

301 DPS according to EFT w/ lvl 5 skills

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(a) EFT warrior setup which is horribly overpriced.
(b) lolactiveshieldtankwith0%EMresist
(c) Wrong rigs (rof + damage yields much better output)
(d) lolcaprecharger

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: Helsir Qyrdun

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What I'm expecting is a hot love affair between EAFs and AFs.

Which is good news because I like my Sentinel. =D

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Helsir Qyrdun

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What I'm expecting is a hot love affair between EAFs and AFs.

Which is good news because I like my Sentinel. =D

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Hmmà good point. Everyone's so distracted by the buffs to the lolpewpewpew frigs that the lolyoucan'tpewpewlol ones are overlooked.

What does the patch suggestions do to those ships, if anything?

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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I doubt the kitsune, for one, will be effected much by the change....

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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(a) EFT warrior setup which is horribly overpriced.

Lol, first of all if you read this forum at all you will know I only use EFT to check if something fits.

Second, I was proving that you could easily fit a Harpy for over 300 dps as someone aboved had claimed it was actually impossible. As for the rigs, the ROF ones are bugged in EFT and don't increase your DPS. And I didn't even have to use an officer mod...

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Originally by: Haradgrim

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Third, what's wrong with a cap charger, it lets it run forever. The only thing loltastic about this fit is the 0% EM resist which the only way you are getting out of is to dump your booster....

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Originally by: Karl Luckner

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Edited by: Karl Luckner on 04/08/2008 11:00:52

Originally by: Muad' Dib

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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 02/08/2008 20:07:50
The problem is not killing 1 AF, you can do it with the new changes on SISI, but as you said it takes skill.
As i understand this change, it is to bring AS more in line with HACs, to turn AS's into what HACs are for the battleship/battlecruiser class.

As it is right now though, the new changes are made a bit fail. The webb change is fantastic, and i like most of the rest except for the warp scrambler, i have lots of problems with them.
First of all it's a dual-purpose mod, you know the kind CCP decided is game-breaking when they introduced scripts for most damps and td's and even sensor boosters. Warp Scrambler can do both, i'd like to see them do just 1, or ... have different scripts.
The dev who wrote the last blog ... i really don't know what to say; but i think the ideea of scramblers to stop MWD action is more ******ed than the ideea to have i-stabbs reduce mass, increase agility and whatever else they were doing when they first got buffed and started the nano-age. It compares with the efficiency of webbing someone with a 90% webb, and guess where i copied this paragraph from ?

A good bs pilot can either tank, or kill 2 hacs with ab's and scramblers fitted well, a good cruiser pilot has no chance against 2 AF's with a cruiser, unless he fits precisely for that fight, which imo is wrong.

Killing 1 AF might require skill, but taking on 2 AF's in a t1 cruiser is close to a suicide, while at the same time, taking on 2 HACS in a BS is not at all suicide if you know what you are doing.

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Wrong shipclasses. Heavy Assault Ships<->Battlecruisers and Commandships<->Battleships.
Much better resamblance of your Cruiser<->Assaultship comparison.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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A good bs pilot can either tank, or kill 2 hacs with ab's and scramblers fitted well, a good cruiser pilot has no chance against 2 AF's with a cruiser, unless he fits precisely for that fight, which imo is wrong.

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2 good hacs usually wont be tanked by a BS.

And you realise right now people are whining that hacs will easily kill their BS with web changes? With only 50-60% web your main weapons probably wont hit. Neut helps, but one heavy neut cycles every 24 seconds, a cap booster easily fixes that, and with AB you got much more cap.

Maybe with these changes light assault missiles need some changes, but they are also the only missiles i would be really worried about when in an AF.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Muad' Dib

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First of all it's a dual-purpose mod, you know the kind CCP decided is game-breaking when they introduced scripts for most damps and td's and even sensor boosters.

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That's wrong on two accounts:
(a) All the dual-purpose mods still work as dual-purpose mods when not fitted with a script. They did get nerfed, yes, but they are still dual-purpose.
(b) Scripts (plus, the flat out nerf even with scripts) broke things like damps and TDs, with damps taking the brunt of the damage and pushed to the margin of near-uselessness. I'm sure even CCP realized that damps are quite broken as EWAR now.

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Originally by: Muad' Dib

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Also, about your comment regarding aml's, try them on Caracal. 8k shields, mwd, webb, warp disruptor and 200 dps.

PS: Cap rechargers on pvp fits for af's ... o.0 .
If everybody fits like this, i might take some chances on TQ with Rupture vs 2-3 af's. :)

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Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal

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My Ishkur runs AB, scram, & booster and will eat any cruiser .

Cost much more than a t1 cruiser though

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Wont fit using neutrons. There are neutron blaster ishkur setups, you can basicly change for neutron blasters when you drop the nosferatu.

Neutron blaster setup gives 266 dps at lvl 5, also caldari navy AM. But personally i really like that nosferatu. Even with nos you cant perma run your repper, but you can run it much more than without nos. And of course with its short cycle time it is a life saver against ships with neuts.

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I can't check it atm, but I would assume that it's mainly a question of PG, right? If not, though (and I'm just thinking out loud here) there might be some value to dropping the webber (horror! gasp!). It won't be as useful/required as before, you earn back some cap use, and you might have enough space to fit some other nastynessà

Then again, if you come up against another AB-fitted ship, you're screwed, I guessà

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