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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Taera
Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting.
I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting!
To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh.
Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun
May I have your stuff?
Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post .
Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game?
Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:43:00 -
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I must say I find it kind of disheartening (no pun intended) that members of CCP can't spend some time in light hearted banter with members of the community without half the people on the thread jumping up and down about how they aren't doing their job properly. Is it so hard to understand that only certain people within CCP are qualified to be commenting on certain threads (rather silly vagabond setups do kinda make a mockery of the qualified part)? I mean yes there are many threads I personally would love a Dev response in but I understand why they are not being commented on. Seriously guys lighten the f*** up.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone I must say I find it kind of disheartening (no pun intended) that members of CCP can't spend some time in light hearted banter with members of the community without half the people on the thread jumping up and down about how they aren't doing their job properly. Is it so hard to understand that only certain people within CCP are qualified to be commenting on certain threads (rather silly vagabond setups do kinda make a mockery of the qualified part)? I mean yes there are many threads I personally would love a Dev response in but I understand why they are not being commented on. Seriously guys lighten the f*** up.
I agree that people should settle down on Taerra and Atropos for kidding around. People would like to see more blue bars on threads, not less. If they get flamed every time they post...
I don't agree about the vaga setup - Dev was obviously just giving an example of put these mods on => get this speed. It wasn't supposed to be a full setup. People that have been emo'ing on about that are just making themselves look stupid.
I also don't agree with the "silence is ok" notion. CCP have thrown some rather large changes on to Sisi and then clamed up. WTH?
So I agree with Ruleofthebone's sentiment, if not the way he conveyed it.
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Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:54:00 -
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What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano?
The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Juleko What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano?
The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will.
You can't judge Eve topics in a vacuum (heh punny). Back when there was no nano there also weren't cynos in every pocket or jumpbridges all over.
Just like you can't point at insurance being the main issue with suicide ganks when it obviously has alot to do with the mineral market and resulting low prices for ships.
Just like you can't say, "I used to make twice as much running level 4s two years ago", without also considering that everything costs less now thanks to (again) mineral market mayhem and invention.
It is a good debate tactic if you're arguing with people who don't remember these things though...
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Morphisat
Rakeriku Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:01:00 -
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I'll be canceling my eleventy accounts !
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:02:00 -
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Buffed. As long as they fix the mac client so that my buffs don't vanish with black screens...
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Arna Padrona
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Arna Padrona on 11/08/2008 09:03:57
Unlike many players - I didn't browse the forums to see what the best solo-pvp trick/exploits are and train for it. I trained for the things I wanted to fly, fully expecting the nerf bat to come swinging again, and again, and again. It it has come swinging - again and again, and again.
It never really bothers me, all the "nerfs". It doesn't affect players much, who play "as ccp intended", rather than "as tricks enables". Will be amusing when all the poor nano-pilots have to learn to do combat the way it was intended.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:06:00 -
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If I played so little of this game that one nerf was enough to effect my gameplay significantly, I would go back to a simpler game. -
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Vladimir Griftin
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:37:00 -
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When the vast majority of players start flying the same handful of ships you know its time for the nerf bad. CCP's only mistake was leaving it so long.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: CCP Atropos Also, the changes are still under revision
That means nothing to me. I expect the changes to go through as is whether they are warranted or not. Can you give me an example of CCP admitting that they were wrong? .... ever?
The proposed Deimos low slot change, which was dropped. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 10:06:08 Oh, please, quit with the "omg, nanonerf" and "hahahaha, nano-nerf, adapt or die" stuff.
The fact that the current EvE developers consider the fact that "Defenders have no control over a war" a issue (Of course stinking defenders have no control over a war! That's the whole bloody point!) or consider the wardec mechanic a "pay per grief" system is infinitely more worrying* (together with selectively removing insurance for suicide gankers, even though every moron gets insurance payouts in all cases, even if they self-destruct after someone tackles them).
It leads you to the question, "what PvP related mechanic is next on the chopping block?". That goes way beyond ship fittings/setups/balance.
*It's reasonable to expect this will nerf mercenaries to hell and back. Given the current paradigm of appeasing carebears.
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CDLoon
Minmatar Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:14:00 -
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Constructive Comments >WTFPWN> Whines and Quitting posts.
Try posting constructive arguments in the correct forums rather than whining in every second topic in every other forum.
I fly both nano and conventional, not bothered by the changes, different roles for different situations, and that wont change.
Cliche incoming
ADAPT or QUIT, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes I really like that people cry, that the Nano nerf will ruin PvP and the game will end. No one will ever shoot at another player again.
Might be true for ships relying on speed, but all us slow boat have a chance now.
If you are soloing in a slowboat you wont have any more chance now than before. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Juleko on 11/08/2008 11:23:20
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: Juleko What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano?
The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will.
You can't judge Eve topics in a vacuum (heh punny). Back when there was no nano there also weren't cynos in every pocket or jumpbridges all over.
Just like you can't point at insurance being the main issue with suicide ganks when it obviously has alot to do with the mineral market and resulting low prices for ships.
Just like you can't say, "I used to make twice as much running level 4s two years ago", without also considering that everything costs less now thanks to (again) mineral market mayhem and invention.
It is a good debate tactic if you're arguing with people who don't remember these things though...
A fair point. I wasn't around pre-nano so I genuinely don't know what went on before that, however if you take some of the anti-nano nerf posts at face value it almost sounds as if PvP can't occur unless there is nanoing involved.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:27:00 -
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not me. ill adapt like Ive allways done. Doesnt hurt to be able to fly all ships either
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: CCP Taera
Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting.
I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting!
To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh.
Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun
May I have your stuff?
Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post .
Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game?
Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future.
People whining isnt feedback though
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erimon
Amarr Breed of Malakka
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings
People whining isnt feedback though
Many (including me) have given valid test feedback. Anyhow 2 weeks with no dev feedback and no relevant changes on sisi - i'm kinda fed up with that attitude too. You can spin that for as long as you want but it won't change the color of shit you know?
And no; not planning to leave currently.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:03:00 -
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I'm undecided about the nano changes. I've never flown nano (gotten my ass handed to me by them though) but I never thought of it as being particularly broken. After reading the dev blog I can see where CCP is coming from but personally I'd rather have seen a counter that can be mounted on a variety of vessels (perhaps fast drones, or fast missiles) rather than an out-and-out nerf.
As for suicide gank changes they're long overdue, IMO. Suiciding will still be possible - it's not like it'll be any harder than it was before it seems, just the penalties will be scaled up. Freighters and afk haulers with billions in the hold will be just as vulnerable to attacks for profit as they were before (maybe a bit less so with removal of insurance, but I guarantee you'll see pilots start moving more valuable cargos around as soon as the changes go live), people just won't be able to attack indiscriminately in highsec anymore.
I've been here through several nerf cycles though and I've come to trust CCPs judgment on such things - generally after the changes go live and the furor dies down most everyone agrees it was for the best. Lately there seems to be a concerted effort to move piracy out of highsec and minimize, if not eliminate, a certain style of play (I hate to use the g-word, it gets thrown around so much it becomes meaningless).
While I agree that highsec should be relatively safe, especially for newer players, I think CCP would do well to address the issue that made all the pirates move into highsec in the first place - the total lack of worthwhile targets in lowsec. Factional warfare is a good first step, and I hope that CCP's changes to sov. trickle into lowsec as well since they seem to be trying to create alternatives to large fleet warfare, which a lot of people seem to not like (personally I fly with the blob but I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, nor should it be).
Of course, with the direction the game is going, the people who only look for totally defenseless targets will find themselves in a more and more restricted niche, but I think Eve is just getting too big to be able to continue catering to these people - it used to be that the world was big enough that it didn't really matter, but not any longer it seems.
... and it's 4:30 PM here at the ass end of the world, and the server is back up! Yay! <forum whoring off> ---
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Kryttos
Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:10:00 -
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every MMO has this group of people who threaten to quit. Those of us staying welcome less whining, and less lag =p [email protected] |
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Sgt Blade
Caldari M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:14:00 -
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everything is a nerf these days, give it 6 months after the changes and everyone will think of it as the norm....why ??? because we adapt and change
otherwise we would be still complaining about how we cant fit multiple mwd's on our scorpions and that we cant tank concord without much effort
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Blade everything is a nerf these days, give it 6 months after the changes and everyone will think of it as the norm....why ??? because we adapt and change
otherwise we would be still complaining about how we cant fit multiple mwd's on our scorpions and that we cant tank concord without much effort
Its not hard to adapt, but that doesnt mean you will still have fun.
Oh and pulling out extremes to show that "nerfs are good" doesnt really add anything to the discussion. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Protheroe
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Ment I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training
I think that's a reasonable point. It would benefit the realism of the game if balance issues could be addressed by introducing new, or buffing existing game mechanics, but I can see how speed might be a special case. |
Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:40:00 -
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Stacked MWDs, stacked heat sinks, torps on figs, tankable concord. The game used to be such a mess from module design perspective that you cannot really expect all is set in stone. Adapt and hope they will get to fix missiles too after they are done with this speed thingy. And then AoE effects and soft stationary targets to break blobs (or something different but major). You are in for a world of hurt if you cannot adapt.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos As much as I would love to, I can't use my cattle prod on them.
I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless
Who says you can't use your cattleprod? I wouldn't mind
As for the character, I wouldn't mind paying the character transfer fee for a GM character with the polaris friggie skill
Seriously though, CCP Nozh should have responded to the threads and posted, maybe you can prod him a little? (with or without cattleprod, but if you decide use it, be sure to take pictures).
As for the OP, while I have been firmly against the nerf as w whole I haven't said I was quitting. I have enough other skills trained not to have to rely on nanoing. I still think its an abysmally poor way of addressing really a minor issue. If just the rediculous ships were nerfed (10kms+) than I don't think anyone would have complained. But it started with nanos, then went on to interceptors (which nanogangs hardly use), then battleships being slower than freighters and now apparently missiles also need to be looked at.
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exxxie
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:08:00 -
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This thread is one reason many of us will continue to sub to Eve: Dev trolling. Just classic.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:16:00 -
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I am not leaving
Thus far all the nerfs to fotm have been justified. The time you spend training for fotm knowing it'll get nerfed is your fault. The rest of us either avoid wasting the training time, or train it because we don't have anything else of similar priority.
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t1mmeh
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: exxxie This thread is one reason many of us will continue to sub to Eve: Dev trolling. Just classic.
^This, also it's nice to see Dev trolling is not exclusive to PrismX
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Judge Ment
Out of Order Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Judge Ment on 11/08/2008 13:40:34 After reading Im amazed of all the post!
1.) I never said I was giving up on EVE *there is issues with SPEED and CCP Attacking every MOD to make it easier for you people who cant adapt (TO SPEED). I was just carious how many will leave because of the SAD MISTAKE With speed balance change.
EDIT: Just a Question does this change most Minmatar pilot feelings at all? After all Minmatar depends on speed - This is what keeps them alive against over powering Gallente Pilots * I have a feeling Gallente will be the supreme race after NERF
2.) Nano I DON'T CARE, I don't often use the mod enough!
3.) I'd like for once CCP to write something explaining why they need to change every mod in the game. And Will there ever be a balance that they are happy with (QUESTION)
4.) I believe there another major issues that CCP could be focusing on (sever issues)
To the others that I know in game that posted [thanks!]
This is my damn main!
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:36:00 -
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Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt.
My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you?
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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