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Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later)
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:50:00 - [2] not me Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:51:00 - [3] I'm getting buffed, so I'm staying.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:53:00 - [4] Some vocal forumwhiners threatened to quit over it, but tbh I doubt many. In the long run it's more likely to attract people back to the game who were sick of Nano-online - Infectious -
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:55:00 - [5] last time i trained something that was "awesome" it got nerfed. now, i refused to train nano cus it was a total waste of time IMHO. now i can laugh at nano*s ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:58:00 - [6] These nerfs don't bother me one bit. It's the overwhelming attitude of 'I should be able to play without ever having to interact with anyone' that's starting to bother me. I'm seeing less of the old conquest and expansionism, more of this huddling of the masses. I'll give it some time. I'm really looking forward to Ambulation. But I don't play EvE because it's like every other MMO with a very clear split between PvP and PvE. I play EvE because it's not a nice world, and PvP is as much a part of the game as the PvE background. Whatever. No reason to play a game you don't like, right? So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Esmenet on 10/08/2008 22:02:52 I've already cancelled my account, but i might play a little longer. I dont really care about any specific skills/ships but it doesnt look good for small gangs (especially in 0.0) and then i am definetly leaving. The ideas that made EVE different and interesting seems to be watered out and then i'm just left wondering why i pay for this. Vote against the nano nerf!
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Concorduck last time i trained something that was "awesome" it got nerfed. now, i refused to train nano cus it was a total waste of time IMHO. now i can laugh at nano***s Thats Just it. A lot of people spend tons of time training these skills. Not only do we spend tons of time but a lot of money in the mean time. Just seems like a waste of time on my part training simple stuff like MWD.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:02:00 - [9] Brooklyn RAGE! Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:02:00 - [10] Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun

Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) If they don't stop nerfing and start buffing things to adjust the "balance" i may consider it, a lot of good games coming out in the next year, and some of them are even space based, so we'll see, and no, I also will not be giving out my stuff, I'd sooner trash it all
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:04:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. Vote against the nano nerf!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:04:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun Did a Dev just troll your thread, bro? Awesome! So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 22:10:18 Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. There is more to MY ***** then NANO Nerf. * Micro Warp Drive is getting hit with NERF BAT * Cruiser speed are being NERF * Yes we all know about the Nano Nerf Bat.. But Look at the time and isk being spent on SNAKE Implants and the Vaga. The person who losses (Should be the one crying the most) CCP should take the time and evaluate before - Listening to public complain about things. After all this is where is starts.. And im guessing CLOAK Nerf will be next

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. Not really. It's completely pointless for me to go into those threads and post my opinions, because as is the case with most of the Devs here, we're simply not involved in the design cycle. CCP's Nozh and Fendahl along with Hammerhead are the people most educated to give you valid feedback based on <insert fotm nerf here>, rather than myself. I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. That aside, it's Sunday evening, and I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too

Ulric Denrai Amarr Glass House	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:11:00 - [16] Good nerf. And you didn`t hade to train for speed ,you only needed alot isk.I did found the the curse nerf (vamps) ,a bigger nerf then this speed thing ,back then you didn`t hear no1 whine about it.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:11:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Atropos I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. <derail> If you're QA, then maybe you can troll this thread instead…? </derail>
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:12:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun Your doing it all wrong. Dont openly mock the poster. What you do is you post telling then "HI GUYS, ACTUALLY YOUR INTERCEPTOR IS GETTING A BUFF" then sign off and dont post as 1000 enraged doods post in your thread. Or you post a 9 billion isk vagabond setup as justification for widespread nerfs of everyone else. You know, troll subtely. SKUNK ... at least Im assuming htey were trolls..... they cant have been serious.... can they?!!??! SKUNK
Mangold Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:15:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! pi?
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:16:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. Not really. It's completely pointless for me to go into those threads and post my opinions, because as is the case with most of the Devs here, we're simply not involved in the design cycle. CCP's Nozh and Fendahl along with Hammerhead are the people most educated to give you valid feedback based on <insert fotm nerf here>, rather than myself. I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. That aside, it's Sunday evening, and I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too I don't think he's asking you personally to respond to the 500 page nano thread...just some dev.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:17:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. Not really. It's completely pointless for me to go into those threads and post my opinions, because as is the case with most of the Devs here, we're simply not involved in the design cycle. CCP's Nozh and Fendahl along with Hammerhead are the people most educated to give you valid feedback based on <insert fotm nerf here>, rather than myself. I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. That aside, it's Sunday evening, and I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too Never said you were the one to supply it and i honestly dont care if you reply in more useless topics such as this. But whether you like it or not it sends a message about CCP when you reply to this but give the silent treatment to a topic that has generated threads with over 100 pages. Even if you dont have the finished "answer" you could at least say something especially in the threads started by CCP as "official" discussion threads. Vote against the nano nerf!
Enitharmasion Radically Awesome People Eaters	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:20:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Atropos I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too You should be chained to your work station and put on some sort of amphetamine while a burly man whips you and screams "CODE FASTER" just until you find a solution to all lag, all balancing issues and a develop a decent tasting diet soda and maybe world peace.

CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:22:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:26:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? /thread --
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 22:33:02 I think I've already spoken about giving my stuff out. CCP has design something right after all. Even when I stop paying I can come back and find all my stuff in hangers and all my skill being train while im away. Its come to that point of time where it taking a few months for them to be done. Hopefully them skills wont be nerf too ------------------------------------------ Newton's First Law of Motion: I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.[/right] Newton's Second Law of Motion: II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector. Newton's Third Law of Motion: III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Judge Ment I think I've already spoken about giving my stuff out. CCP has design something right after all. Even when I stop paying I can come back when things are being changed and find all my stuff in hangers =) and all my skill being train while im away. Its come to that point of time where it taking a few months for them to be done. No, no! I just want Atropos' stuff Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:35:00 - [27] Post with your main, exclamation mark head. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:40:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Atropos I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless I take them anyways please.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:43:00 - [29] "Oh no I trained for flavor of the month XXI that had the nerf coming from a mile away you suck ccp bye" I do still want your stuff, you know.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:44:00 - [30] Originally by: DarthJosh i'm thinking of staying /o\ Only because A: you have stock in afterburners II B: You own the BPO for them C: You macro miner (LOL)
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:56:00 - [31] Sesh .. you don't half sound 'emo'. CCP, please just introduce new content and make what doesn't work, work! i.e. make T3 drones move at light speed (They don't have pilots, cap or need to reload, so no one can complain about these guys) and T3 missiles that always reach target even if they warp away to somewhere else. Make T3 webs work up to 50km with a 50km fall off and instantly, none of this graduation of effect nonsense. Do Warp Inhibitors 'gradually' affect the target? They both effectively target the engines, at least be consistent ;0 This way the systems you designed to combat speed work as you designed them to and the plonker that spent 3billion on ship+implants can still go 27km/s in his ship (cause book marking sniper spots in new systems with the speed rebalance is going to suck) Your signature has been removed for inappropriate content. -Taera
Joey Meow MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2008.08.10 22:58:00 - [32] Ahhh so you are one of those 30k people who quit....

CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Murtala Is there a list of proposed module changes anywhere so I can see what the fuss is about. Thanks Speed Rebalanced Serious Security These are the two dev blogs listing some of the upcoming changes :) Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:09:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Atropos Also, the changes are still under revision That means nothing to me. I expect the changes to go through as is whether they are warranted or not. Can you give me an example of CCP admitting that they were wrong? .... ever?
Monuturattilor	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:14:00 - [35] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: CCP Atropos Also, the changes are still under revision That means nothing to me. I expect the changes to go through as is whether they are warranted or not. Can you give me an example of CCP admitting that they were wrong? .... ever? In theory they do that every time they nerf, buff or change something..
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:15:00 - [36] High Speed maneuvering - skill lvl 5 complete $15 dollars later can someone name some other skills that been nerf? * propulsion jamming * Sad story this all leads to whine over gate camping failure. We want to increase kills. So why not CRY about ships that cant be catch. This is the balance we are talking about. My feelings is more about - Decrease in speed to Cruisers (OMGz CCP) - Micro Warp drive (going to be useless now ) To increase Afterburner sales? Or slow down ships? Who the hell knows.. My question is simple. how many are really ****ed?
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:18:00 - [37] Your stuffs...
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:19:00 - [38] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: CCP Atropos Also, the changes are still under revision That means nothing to me. I expect the changes to go through as is whether they are warranted or not. Can you give me an example of CCP admitting that they were wrong? .... ever? You don't remember the aborted Carrier nerf?
Monuturattilor	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:23:00 - [39] As far as I know the changes will only have the following effects: 1) You can go very fast but not extremly fast (this is no prob). 2) MWD deactivates if warp scrambled (well you'll need to get closer than 10km to do that... no prob again since ppl will have a web on someone at that distance anyways.) Whats the problem?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Monuturattilor As far as I know the changes will only have the following effects: 1) You can go very fast but not extremly fast (this is no prob). 2) MWD deactivates if warp scrambled (well you'll need to get closer than 10km to do that... no prob again since ppl will have a web on someone at that distance anyways.) Whats the problem? Identified your problem.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Monuturattilor As far as I know the changes will only have the following effects: 1) You can go very fast but not extremly fast (this is no prob). 2) MWD deactivates if warp scrambled (well you'll need to get closer than 10km to do that... no prob again since ppl will have a web on someone at that distance anyways.) Whats the problem? No no. I have it on very good authority that no hull over a frigate will go any faster than 600 m/s. I heard they were taking MWDs out and adding a PVP flagging system for low sec. The game is totally ruined. You should all unsub.
Monuturattilor	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Identified your problem. Brilliant. Thx! According to the Dev Blog then... sigh!
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:31:00 - [43] the changes are pretty good on the whole however there are some that really weren't needed. The web nerf is pretty lame though. Thank god tracking computers got split from tracking/range or they would be seriously potent under the current speed rebalance settings. I can tank armor, shield or speed, this nerf doesn't really affect me as much as those that can only tank on of the 3 Your signature has been removed for inappropriate content. -Taera
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:32:00 - [44] Well, given how much they're catering to carebears these days, I'm wondering if any new low-sec nerfs will come next, at which point I'd probably quit, yes. I definitely am looking for a PvP-centric MMO as I feel EvE is changing course, but there's so little on the market really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, given how much they're catering to carebears these days, I'm wondering if any new low-sec nerfs will come next, at which point I'd probably quit, yes. I definitely am looking for a PvP-centric MMO as I feel EvE is changing course, but there's so little on the market really. They are already indirectly nerfing low sec. The FW crap brings all kinds of new blobbing and lag. It has really made people leave low sec, other than fruity noobs looking to get their feet wet. Nerfing speed and webs(nerfing tackling), nerfs all combat, especially in low sec where we get no bubbles. Next thing you know they will make concord spawn in low sec. The people responsible for making EVE the great game that it is have clearly moved onto bigger and better things. The current devs seem pretty clueless. I would imagine that if they play at all, they are caldari carebears. They clearly do not play the same game that we do.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:47:00 - [46] I'm considering leaving for a bit, but not just because of the nerfs. I just feel they are nerfing the wrong things.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:51:00 - [47] Edited by: Sorted on 10/08/2008 23:51:36 Originally by: Judge Ment My question is simple. how many are really **ed? I am. Multi billion pod, (undocked in twice b4 the anoucment lol) Max nav skills - finished about the same time. Max skilled alt for claymore (but fair enough, he has all the other leadership skills on 5 too). AND I dont fly nano - only got the pimp mach for stopping caps playing docking games in lowsec.... So yeah.. fairly ed. Its not nerfing my whole play style etc but I am **ed its a nerf everytime not a counter buff.. like ECM.. nerf the effectiveness rather than boost ECCM. Speed nerf the lot rather add viable counters. like a mod that turned off MWDs for a cycle, or a mod/rig that increase webber range, or increased weight, or something they could of tested alternatives to a nerf first. EDIT: then the war decs.... holy shit dont even get me started about that lame impotent half blind decrepid beast.. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
Junsako Sato Ad Astra Vexillum Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:53:00 - [48] I will be staying. When a game mechanic changes there are always people who will claim CCP will lose Hundreds's if not thousands of customers it has so far never happened. Heat Sinks. Warp core stab nerf. Damp's ECM Warp to zero. The HP buff. The list goes on. People will adapt to the changes and move on.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:56:00 - [49] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/08/2008 23:58:48 Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, given how much they're catering to carebears these days, I'm wondering if any new low-sec nerfs will come next, at which point I'd probably quit, yes. I definitely am looking for a PvP-centric MMO as I feel EvE is changing course, but there's so little on the market really. They are already indirectly nerfing low sec. The FW crap brings all kinds of new blobbing and lag. It has really made people leave low sec, other than fruity noobs looking to get their feet wet. Yes, the FW blobbing was really a nerf, but, oh, well, I guess I survived. I'm somewhat sad to see the days of solo roaming in a BC (or even crusier) preety much numbered, but such is EvE. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Nerfing speed and webs(nerfing tackling), nerfs all combat, especially in low sec where we get no bubbles. Yes, true, but it'll also make frigates/etc more viable, and I did start out as a Rifter pirate (I use them for roaming nowdays too). It nerfs gatecamping versus smaller ships (nothing really changes when tackling a BC/BS though, just got to have scrams), but it improves your ability to kill stuff in a smaller ship, which is the only sort of ship you can solo roam in without scouts anyway, thanks to FW blobs. So I'll live OK with the speed changes in general. They change the dynamics a bit (and nerf the capabilities of some of my ships), but oh well. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Next thing you know they will make concord spawn in low sec. This is the sort of thing I'm worried about happening (although you made a extreme example) - with the shift to catering for the carebears, where will they stop nerfing? Will they nerf gatecamps (already nerfed for many purposes anyway) now? Increase security status penalities? Aggro/GCC mechanics? NPC police helping victims? I'm simply not sure what to expect, that's why I said I'm looking for a new PvP MMO. Simply put, I don't see playing EvE as a pirate viable for much longer if the pro-carebear direction stays, and if piracy is no longer viable, the remaining choices are: - mercenary (to be nerfed soon with war mechanics ) - FW blobber (with doing carebear stuff to sustain yourself, because blobbing with 50+ people is not something you can make any profit off, boring altogether) - 0.0 alliance member (with all the crap it entails, and again, generally no-profit PvP) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:58:00 - [50] Edited by: kworld on 10/08/2008 23:59:05 Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) Stop crying.. all this next nerf will do is make pvp harder for you nano pilots, only the carebears will whine about it, and it sounds like your one of them.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:01:00 - [51] I am not convinced that frigs will be that much more viable... Neuts will be the new webs. And yes the high sec changes are disturbing. ANOTHER nerf to war decs?!?!?!?!?!? Another nerf to suicide ganking? oi wtf. It's only possible to be suicided if you are doing something wrong(such as autopiloting with high-value cargo). I don't see it being too long before such idiocy is applied to low sec in some way.
Joakim Wasyl Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Junsako Sato Heat Sinks. Warp core stab nerf. Damp's ECM Warp to zero. The HP buff. The list goes on Nos
Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) hehe me and my 4 accounts just might stay I got till the 28th to make up my mind, I think this is one step in the right direction but still a lot of things to unbalanced anymore not enough for the older player to hang around anymore almost better off starting over :) Windows VistaÖ Ultimate x64-based PC Gigabyte X38-DQ6 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU Q6850 Memory 4,093.69 MB 2X Crossfire ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 3870 512MB
Ringo Jeicha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:19:00 - [54] Like ccp cares if some useless whiners quit --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem I fly nano, I'll still fly nano because I know that the only real change is that I wont be going as fast, but also I know that no one else will be going as fast [as they are now]. wowzers, this is actually the best post in this thread. Factual, realistic, aware! Your signature has been removed for inappropriate content. -Taera
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2008.08.11 00:58:00 - [56] Let me get this straight, because people are STILL crying You found a loophole in the commonly known stacking penalty, discovered it could make you neigh-invulnerable, outrun missiles/turret tracking, pretty much break the physics engine, etc. You and others exploited this loophole (yes I used the e-word, omfg) and when CCP sees it they go, "oops that's not supposed to happen" They then PROPOSE a nerf and ASK FOR YOUR assistance in finding common ground. Your reply is simply, "**** this, I'm gonna quit instead!" Am I correct so far? Now I don't suppose when MWD stacking was nerfed? How about WCS? WTZ? Any of these? Funny how it didn't cause the death of eve, and funny how most of those whiners (look ma someone spells whine correctly!) stayed. HACs like the vaga were nice prior to the nerf and with the exception of the now-fixed stabbabond were balanced well. Guess what? When the dust settles things will be O.K. I promise. If not I'll get you some warm milk and cookies.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:04:00 - [57] Not me...not a chance.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:10:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Taera Blah blah Hey poster with an ! for a portrait, how about you post with your main? -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:29:00 - [59] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 11/08/2008 01:29:45 Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun I lol'ed (a bit) ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Seriously, it looks like everyone thinks that only their particular ship will be nerfed, guess what, everything across the board is getting the nerf so while you may not go 10 jillion m/s anymore, neither is the guy trying to catch you. I fly nano, I'll still fly nano because I know that the only real change is that I wont be going as fast, but also I know that no one else will be going as fast [as they are now]. this
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Let me get this straight, because people are STILL crying You found a loophole in the commonly known stacking penalty, discovered it could make you neigh-invulnerable, outrun missiles/turret tracking, pretty much break the physics engine, etc. You and others exploited this loophole (yes I used the e-word, omfg) and when CCP sees it they go, "oops that's not supposed to happen" They then PROPOSE a nerf and ASK FOR YOUR assistance in finding common ground. Your reply is simply, "**** this, I'm gonna quit instead!" Am I correct so far? Now I don't suppose when MWD stacking was nerfed? How about WCS? WTZ? Any of these? Funny how it didn't cause the death of eve, and funny how most of those whiners (look ma someone spells whine correctly!) stayed. HACs like the vaga were nice prior to the nerf and with the exception of the now-fixed stabbabond were balanced well. Guess what? When the dust settles things will be O.K. I promise. If not I'll get you some warm milk and cookies. you forgot the part with the snake set, overload, and gang bonuses. a 3km/s hac, or 9km/s interceptor is hardly gamebreaking imho. the 9km/s hac and 20km/s intys are where I start having trouble.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Seriously, it looks like everyone thinks that only their particular ship will be nerfed, guess what, everything across the board is getting the nerf so while you may not go 10 jillion m/s anymore, neither is the guy trying to catch you. I fly nano, I'll still fly nano because I know that the only real change is that I wont be going as fast, but also I know that no one else will be going as fast [as they are now]. this I won't be flying nano because my large turrets will be hitting you just fine
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:41:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? excellent posting both of you, have a cookie
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:57:00 - [64] Me, I'll make a big drama post where I thank the academy, various devs, GMs, my mother and god and then return the very next day like nothing happened. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Canock	Posted - 2008.08.11 02:06:00 - [65] can I have your stuff?
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.08.11 02:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 11/08/2008 02:21:17 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 11/08/2008 02:20:20 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 11/08/2008 02:20:01 Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun Fix my gank mega. (It does not work on sisi) Originally by: Monuturattilor As far as I know the changes will only have the following effects: 1) You can go very fast but not extremly fast (this is no prob). 2) MWD deactivates if warp scrambled (well you'll need to get closer than 10km to do that... no prob again since ppl will have a web on someone at that distance anyways.) Whats the problem? That gank mega's go too slow now to even get into effective range now. I mean why can't CCP increase the mass of the commonly nano'd "ludicrous speed" ships, so HACs etc, don't make the ships that weren't going "ludicrous speeds" even slower... ----------------------------
Morcam	Posted - 2008.08.11 02:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? /thread QFE
ghost st	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:15:00 - [68] Ive flown exclusively amarr ever since i started the game 2+ years ago. Did I emoragequit when i found out they sucked? No. Eve goes thorough nerf cycles, everyhing gets nerfed at some point in time. Especially if its the fotm, flying the fotm and not expecting a nerf is stupidity on your part. Blacing your skills out so you are an all around deacent pilot = good. Skilling up for the fotm, and whiting every time it gets nerfed = bad.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:31:00 - [69] I'd Like to make it clear, I'm not giving up on CCP or EVE. I own 4 accounts A.) 2 full accounts are mine B.) 2 full accounts are the wife. As far as PVP goes I can hang with the best. If you check vanguard killboard my kills are more then my losses. Carebear? This really is a shitty term! To me it just away to make isk for whatever your needs are. Last few skill books I purchase were for my other account.. Carrier skillbook was the highest.. And if ya like to go into NERF BAT. We can talk about how the Carrier was HIT BTW Im just here to put forth the MWD Nerf is LAME AS HELL.. If ya don't like it tough shit man..........
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:31:00 - [70] I thought about quitting when the "need for speed" initiative was announced. I mean, who wants to be in fleet fights where you can see who is shooting at you, and others can see you shooting at them? Modules activating right away? Your ship responding to controls in less than 5 minutes? Who needs that aggrevation? If I can't activate my guns and then go do some laundry and make dinner before they start shooting, I don't want to play. As angry and disappointed as I was by the whole thing, I decided to stick it out, and it worked out ok. The game still seems fine even after the lag nerf. So, I'd recommend taking a wait and see approach to these things. They might not be as bad as they sound after you try them and adjust a little.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:40:00 - [71] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Like ccp cares if some useless whiners quit Like people care what a alt has to say. I care
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Like ccp cares if some useless whiners quit Like people care what a alt has to say. I care how do you feeeeuul? Please keep your signature on-topic.
Kaivos	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:58:00 - [73] Haha, nanonerf thread got trolled by devs. This is epic =D
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:58:00 - [74] I wonder what will happen once CCP gets a T2 nerf GUN to replace the bat Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Blue Tsunami	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I wonder what will happen once CCP gets a T2 nerf GUN to replace the bat Then the sky will truly fall I'm afraid.
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:31:00 - [76] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I wonder what will happen once CCP gets a T2 nerf GUN to replace the bat Bah. I Will bring out my TECH 20 Rapid Cat Launcher and start loading Enhanced Furry NucleCats into them and start shooting the DeVs. I will has vengence. Cieling cat approves.
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:37:00 - [77] Edited by: Matrixcvd on 11/08/2008 05:38:12 Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: Murtala Is there a list of proposed module changes anywhere so I can see what the fuss is about. Thanks Speed Rebalanced Serious Security These are the two dev blogs listing some of the upcoming changes :) pretty much garbage, stick that with the 5 fighters blog, and you could have a trifecta of stupidity, maybe even win an MMO award for quickest way to kill a game and turn it into a mix between HELLO KITTY and WoW, surely a model for the rest of the MMO's out there
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:49:00 - [78] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) When you leave I will be stronger. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
NoOth3rDestiny	Posted - 2008.08.11 06:19:00 - [79] I'm not quitting. Those who are saying they should buff rather then nerf, it works that way to, they buff something which actually buffs something else which becomes the FOTM. Usually nerfs are the better direction, otherwise you end up with god like players bashing each other. The nerfs won't effect me much because I didn't really train for speed, I saw that buff coming for a long time. It was needed, and what they have done is changed some styles of gameplay, I like change, where others hate it, so I don't really mind, but ofcourse there are always those who do. Those with all those implants and expensive fitted ships, should still be able to go fast but not be invulnerable which was the point.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 06:21:00 - [80] Edited by: Malcanis on 11/08/2008 06:24:55 Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 10/08/2008 22:02:52 I've already cancelled my account, but i might play a little longer. I dont really care about any specific skills/ships but it doesnt look good for small gangs (especially in 0.0) and then i am definetly leaving. The ideas that made EVE different and interesting seems to be watered out and then i'm just left wondering why i pay for this. Small gang stuff is there to be found. It must be; all you ever see is people saying they're looking for small gang fights - and I spend 90% of my EvE PvP time in a gang of 10 or less. EDT: Oh yeah that OP: Well on the one hand I don't do nano at all, so I'm not directly affected. On the other hand, nano didn't particularly concern me, so IMO the current proposals go a bit too far and should very definitely be toned down. I have long advocated adding more counters to nanos (eg: missile speed/explosion velocity scripts for tracking computers). CCP have said that the speeds being achieved actually break their physics engine - it'd be nice to know what their engine can handle and then scale to that. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Horax Triamov	Posted - 2008.08.11 06:39:00 - [81] I thought carebear whining was entertaining, but listening to hardcore pvp'ers, gankers and griefers cry is priceless. Carry on please...
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.11 06:56:00 - [82] This is teh lulz. 1. Nano-nerf: direly needed. Can haz tears please? It's nerfing ludicrous speed, proportionally one of the few ceptors that can now hit above 6km/s on Sisi will be in even more demand than usual, since now far fewer ships can hit ludicrous speed. I have no issues with this; if you flew a fast ship before the nerf, it will still be proportionally faster than anything else, and with reduced webs you're still going to be hard to catch. 2. Suicide nerf. Probably needed, I've never been the victim of a suicide hit and I don't go to Jita, but suicide ganking was a problem that needed to be fixed. Targets that were worth anything anyway are still viable to gank post-nerf, targets that were being ganked for the lulz are now not worth the risk. Those who use it to earn money will still be able to earn, those who use it for cheap kills because they don't like low-sec will be ***ed. This is right. 3. War dec changes*. Not a nerf really IMHO, but I'll reserve judgement on this one until it's implemented.
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:14:00 - [83] i may.. but not really leave.. just take like a year vacation from eve. so no you people cant have my stuff (yes ccp, you have been making the game less fun for alot of us) ill just have to wait for something else to change to spark an interest _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:21:00 - [84] If you train everything thats a hot topic, then your always going to be nerfed. Ive never once been nerfed tbh, ive always trained for ships that i liked because they could counter the craze (if they could). Battleships mostly, but if your the sort that trained, Gank Geddon, Nos domi, Arazu, Curse/ishtar / Rapier, falcon hopes during there peak then your of course going to be dissapointed. They are nerfed for that reason, the ship in question is inbalanced, why change the rest of eve so you can enjoy your ship. You'd only complain about them not being powerful enough if everything else was boosted.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Imperial Servants	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:54:00 - [85] I really like that people cry, that the Nano nerf will ruin PvP and the game will end. No one will ever shoot at another player again. Might be true for ships relying on speed, but all us slow boat have a chance now.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:59:00 - [86] Originally by: kessah If you train everything thats a hot topic, then your always going to be nerfed. Ive never once been nerfed tbh, ive always trained for ships that i liked because they could counter the craze (if they could). Battleships mostly, but if your the sort that trained, Gank Geddon, Nos domi, Arazu, Curse/ishtar / Rapier, falcon hopes during there peak then your of course going to be dissapointed. They are nerfed for that reason, the ship in question is inbalanced, why change the rest of eve so you can enjoy your ship. You'd only complain about them not being powerful enough if everything else was boosted. This is beating a dead horse, but EVE is becoming a raw number's game and that's not fun for anyone. If I need 40 people to accomplish anything (as in roam for 20 jumps without losing the whole gang), I might as well go back to WoW or something. It's also noteworthy that the upper size limit for successful gangs is also being lowered all the time with 50v50 being laggy nowdays. It's as if CCP wanted to drive us away from PVP desperately and turn EVE into a mission pharming game. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Vuxacha VTECHS	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:08:00 - [87] Don't all games soften up? Running off to the next MMO never works. Cos you start to do well, the MMO does well, then the nerfs and buffs come again. The game design philosophy changes etc. I think it is smarter to not try and be a Munchkin. Play for enjoyment, not for uber stats. The term "FOTM" exists in all MMOs for the same reason. Sniping BS, Nano BS, whatever. Find what you like and go with it, because the wheel never stops turning and someday you'll be on top again. Unless you're Amarr.
R0ot Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:09:00 - [88] Ah man if the whiners I see swearing to quit if this nerf goes through actually quit I shall be a happy man, doubtful though but I can always dream can't I.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Vuxacha Unless you're Amarr. You must have missed the FOTM nanocurse and now the FOTM sniper Apoc ... Anyway, since you're comparing with other MMOs: EVE had a distinct different quality, which helped its staying power where other MMOs faded away quickly. It's the fact that players can build up something over the years apart from the usual social ties: wealth, SP and fitting skill. All of these are becoming worth much less in the last 1-2 years, as if CCP wanted EVE to fit in better with those "burn brightly and fade away" MMOs. I guess it's the "industry standard", just like with GTCs. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:26:00 - [90] ill take a dozen
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:30:00 - [91] Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post . Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game? Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:43:00 - [92] I must say I find it kind of disheartening (no pun intended) that members of CCP can't spend some time in light hearted banter with members of the community without half the people on the thread jumping up and down about how they aren't doing their job properly. Is it so hard to understand that only certain people within CCP are qualified to be commenting on certain threads (rather silly vagabond setups do kinda make a mockery of the qualified part)? I mean yes there are many threads I personally would love a Dev response in but I understand why they are not being commented on. Seriously guys lighten the f*** up. ---
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Heartstone I must say I find it kind of disheartening (no pun intended) that members of CCP can't spend some time in light hearted banter with members of the community without half the people on the thread jumping up and down about how they aren't doing their job properly. Is it so hard to understand that only certain people within CCP are qualified to be commenting on certain threads (rather silly vagabond setups do kinda make a mockery of the qualified part)? I mean yes there are many threads I personally would love a Dev response in but I understand why they are not being commented on. Seriously guys lighten the f*** up. I agree that people should settle down on Taerra and Atropos for kidding around. People would like to see more blue bars on threads, not less. If they get flamed every time they post... I don't agree about the vaga setup - Dev was obviously just giving an example of put these mods on => get this speed. It wasn't supposed to be a full setup. People that have been emo'ing on about that are just making themselves look stupid. I also don't agree with the "silence is ok" notion. CCP have thrown some rather large changes on to Sisi and then clamed up. WTH? So I agree with Ruleofthebone's sentiment, if not the way he conveyed it. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Juleko	Posted - 2008.08.11 08:54:00 - [94] What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano? The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:01:00 - [95] Originally by: Juleko What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano? The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will. You can't judge Eve topics in a vacuum (heh punny). Back when there was no nano there also weren't cynos in every pocket or jumpbridges all over. Just like you can't point at insurance being the main issue with suicide ganks when it obviously has alot to do with the mineral market and resulting low prices for ships. Just like you can't say, "I used to make twice as much running level 4s two years ago", without also considering that everything costs less now thanks to (again) mineral market mayhem and invention. It is a good debate tactic if you're arguing with people who don't remember these things though... Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Morphisat Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:01:00 - [96] I'll be canceling my eleventy accounts !
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:02:00 - [97] Buffed. As long as they fix the mac client so that my buffs don't vanish with black screens...
Arna Padrona Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:02:00 - [98] Edited by: Arna Padrona on 11/08/2008 09:03:57 Unlike many players - I didn't browse the forums to see what the best solo-pvp trick/exploits are and train for it. I trained for the things I wanted to fly, fully expecting the nerf bat to come swinging again, and again, and again. It it has come swinging - again and again, and again. It never really bothers me, all the "nerfs". It doesn't affect players much, who play "as ccp intended", rather than "as tricks enables". Will be amusing when all the poor nano-pilots have to learn to do combat the way it was intended.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:06:00 - [99] If I played so little of this game that one nerf was enough to effect my gameplay significantly, I would go back to a simpler game. - DesuSigs
Vladimir Griftin	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:37:00 - [100] When the vast majority of players start flying the same handful of ships you know its time for the nerf bad. CCP's only mistake was leaving it so long.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2008.08.11 09:49:00 - [101] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: CCP Atropos Also, the changes are still under revision That means nothing to me. I expect the changes to go through as is whether they are warranted or not. Can you give me an example of CCP admitting that they were wrong? .... ever? The proposed Deimos low slot change, which was dropped. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 10:03:00 - [102] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 10:06:08 Oh, please, quit with the "omg, nanonerf" and "hahahaha, nano-nerf, adapt or die" stuff. The fact that the current EvE developers consider the fact that "Defenders have no control over a war" a issue (Of course stinking defenders have no control over a war! That's the whole bloody point!) or consider the wardec mechanic a "pay per grief" system is infinitely more worrying* (together with selectively removing insurance for suicide gankers, even though every moron gets insurance payouts in all cases, even if they self-destruct after someone tackles them). It leads you to the question, "what PvP related mechanic is next on the chopping block?". That goes way beyond ship fittings/setups/balance. *It's reasonable to expect this will nerf mercenaries to hell and back. Given the current paradigm of appeasing carebears. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
CDLoon Minmatar Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2008.08.11 10:14:00 - [103] Constructive Comments >WTFPWN> Whines and Quitting posts. Try posting constructive arguments in the correct forums rather than whining in every second topic in every other forum. I fly both nano and conventional, not bothered by the changes, different roles for different situations, and that wont change. Cliche incoming ADAPT or QUIT, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 10:20:00 - [104] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes I really like that people cry, that the Nano nerf will ruin PvP and the game will end. No one will ever shoot at another player again. Might be true for ships relying on speed, but all us slow boat have a chance now. If you are soloing in a slowboat you wont have any more chance now than before. Vote against the nano nerf!
Juleko	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Juleko on 11/08/2008 11:23:20 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Juleko What happened before nanoing existed, did people just not PvP or something? Did the game gain players overnight as soon as it became possible to nano? The way some of the "sky is falling" posts seem to go you'd have to wonder whether PvP existed before ships were flying around immune to everything except specific (gimped) anti-nano ship setups and could deaggress at will. You can't judge Eve topics in a vacuum (heh punny). Back when there was no nano there also weren't cynos in every pocket or jumpbridges all over. Just like you can't point at insurance being the main issue with suicide ganks when it obviously has alot to do with the mineral market and resulting low prices for ships. Just like you can't say, "I used to make twice as much running level 4s two years ago", without also considering that everything costs less now thanks to (again) mineral market mayhem and invention. It is a good debate tactic if you're arguing with people who don't remember these things though... A fair point. I wasn't around pre-nano so I genuinely don't know what went on before that, however if you take some of the anti-nano nerf posts at face value it almost sounds as if PvP can't occur unless there is nanoing involved.
ArmyOfMe Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:27:00 - [106] not me. ill adapt like Ive allways done. Doesnt hurt to be able to fly all ships either
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:32:00 - [107] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post . Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game? Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future. People whining isnt feedback though
erimon Amarr Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:42:00 - [108] Originally by: Steve Hawkings People whining isnt feedback though Many (including me) have given valid test feedback. Anyhow 2 weeks with no dev feedback and no relevant changes on sisi - i'm kinda fed up with that attitude too. You can spin that for as long as you want but it won't change the color of shit you know? And no; not planning to leave currently.
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:03:00 - [109] I'm undecided about the nano changes. I've never flown nano (gotten my ass handed to me by them though) but I never thought of it as being particularly broken. After reading the dev blog I can see where CCP is coming from but personally I'd rather have seen a counter that can be mounted on a variety of vessels (perhaps fast drones, or fast missiles) rather than an out-and-out nerf. As for suicide gank changes they're long overdue, IMO. Suiciding will still be possible - it's not like it'll be any harder than it was before it seems, just the penalties will be scaled up. Freighters and afk haulers with billions in the hold will be just as vulnerable to attacks for profit as they were before (maybe a bit less so with removal of insurance, but I guarantee you'll see pilots start moving more valuable cargos around as soon as the changes go live), people just won't be able to attack indiscriminately in highsec anymore. I've been here through several nerf cycles though and I've come to trust CCPs judgment on such things - generally after the changes go live and the furor dies down most everyone agrees it was for the best. Lately there seems to be a concerted effort to move piracy out of highsec and minimize, if not eliminate, a certain style of play (I hate to use the g-word, it gets thrown around so much it becomes meaningless). While I agree that highsec should be relatively safe, especially for newer players, I think CCP would do well to address the issue that made all the pirates move into highsec in the first place - the total lack of worthwhile targets in lowsec. Factional warfare is a good first step, and I hope that CCP's changes to sov. trickle into lowsec as well since they seem to be trying to create alternatives to large fleet warfare, which a lot of people seem to not like (personally I fly with the blob but I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, nor should it be). Of course, with the direction the game is going, the people who only look for totally defenseless targets will find themselves in a more and more restricted niche, but I think Eve is just getting too big to be able to continue catering to these people - it used to be that the world was big enough that it didn't really matter, but not any longer it seems. ... and it's 4:30 PM here at the ass end of the world, and the server is back up! Yay! <forum whoring off> ---
Kryttos Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:10:00 - [110] every MMO has this group of people who threaten to quit. Those of us staying welcome less whining, and less lag =p [email protected]
Sgt Blade Caldari M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:14:00 - [111] everything is a nerf these days, give it 6 months after the changes and everyone will think of it as the norm....why ??? because we adapt and change otherwise we would be still complaining about how we cant fit multiple mwd's on our scorpions and that we cant tank concord without much effort Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:19:00 - [112] Originally by: Sgt Blade everything is a nerf these days, give it 6 months after the changes and everyone will think of it as the norm....why ??? because we adapt and change otherwise we would be still complaining about how we cant fit multiple mwd's on our scorpions and that we cant tank concord without much effort Its not hard to adapt, but that doesnt mean you will still have fun. Oh and pulling out extremes to show that "nerfs are good" doesnt really add anything to the discussion. Vote against the nano nerf!
Protheroe	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:22:00 - [113] Originally by: Judge Ment I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training I think that's a reasonable point. It would benefit the realism of the game if balance issues could be addressed by introducing new, or buffing existing game mechanics, but I can see how speed might be a special case.
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:40:00 - [114] Stacked MWDs, stacked heat sinks, torps on figs, tankable concord. The game used to be such a mess from module design perspective that you cannot really expect all is set in stone. Adapt and hope they will get to fix missiles too after they are done with this speed thingy. And then AoE effects and soft stationary targets to break blobs (or something different but major). You are in for a world of hurt if you cannot adapt.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 12:55:00 - [115] Originally by: CCP Atropos As much as I would love to, I can't use my cattle prod on them. I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless Who says you can't use your cattleprod? I wouldn't mind As for the character, I wouldn't mind paying the character transfer fee for a GM character with the polaris friggie skill Seriously though, CCP Nozh should have responded to the threads and posted, maybe you can prod him a little? (with or without cattleprod, but if you decide use it, be sure to take pictures). As for the OP, while I have been firmly against the nerf as w whole I haven't said I was quitting. I have enough other skills trained not to have to rely on nanoing. I still think its an abysmally poor way of addressing really a minor issue. If just the rediculous ships were nerfed (10kms+) than I don't think anyone would have complained. But it started with nanos, then went on to interceptors (which nanogangs hardly use), then battleships being slower than freighters and now apparently missiles also need to be looked at.
exxxie dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:08:00 - [116] This thread is one reason many of us will continue to sub to Eve: Dev trolling. Just classic.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:16:00 - [117] I am not leaving Thus far all the nerfs to fotm have been justified. The time you spend training for fotm knowing it'll get nerfed is your fault. The rest of us either avoid wasting the training time, or train it because we don't have anything else of similar priority.
t1mmeh Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:27:00 - [118] Originally by: exxxie This thread is one reason many of us will continue to sub to Eve: Dev trolling. Just classic. ^This, also it's nice to see Dev trolling is not exclusive to PrismX
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:34:00 - [119] Edited by: Judge Ment on 11/08/2008 13:40:34 After reading Im amazed of all the post! 1.) I never said I was giving up on EVE there is issues with SPEED and CCP Attacking every MOD to make it easier for you people who cant adapt (TO SPEED). I was just carious how many will leave because of the SAD MISTAKE With speed balance change. EDIT:* Just a Question does this change most Minmatar pilot feelings at all? After all Minmatar depends on speed - This is what keeps them alive against over powering Gallente Pilots * I have a feeling Gallente will be the supreme race after NERF 2.) Nano I DON'T CARE, I don't often use the mod enough! 3.) I'd like for once CCP to write something explaining why they need to change every mod in the game. And Will there ever be a balance that they are happy with (QUESTION) 4.) I believe there another major issues that CCP could be focusing on (sever issues) To the others that I know in game that posted [thanks!] This is my damn main!

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:36:00 - [120] Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:38:00 - [121] Edited by: Esmenet on 11/08/2008 13:39:37 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? Adapting is easy(train for apoc). Finding fun in blobbing is not so easy. Vote against the nano nerf!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:39:00 - [122] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? You are aware that while you make Eve harsher (yeah right, more annoying is more like it) for nano pilots, suicide gankers, and soon, mercs, you are making Eve a whole heap more cuddly for the ones who had it pretty good to begin with, i.e hi sec mission runners and the like? Right? Right? My God...
t1mmeh Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:40:00 - [123] Nice post Prism, lurk moar?
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:46:00 - [124] Originally by: CCP Prism X Batman has contingencies, why don't you? OMG! Batman contingencies roxors! Like, he has shark repellent just in case... Batman. Never nerfed. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 13:46:00 - [125] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? That's fine and good. So... when will it be the hi-sec hugger's turn to do a little of this adapting we hear so much about? What's harsh about the mission running level 4s in hi-sec lifestyle? Living in fear that 1/20 of your missions will see some of the Salvage "stolen"? The savage pain of paying 25% above regional average for Wrath cruise? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:02:00 - [126] Originally by: Malcanis The savage pain of paying 25% above regional average for Wrath cruise? Ouch that needs a nerf. Vote against the nano nerf!
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:05:00 - [127] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Malcanis The savage pain of paying 25% above regional average for Wrath cruise? Ouch that needs a nerf. Mission hub prices are just griefing, plain and simple tbqfh. CCP NERF MARKET GRIEFING OR YOUR GAME WILL DIE WITHIN 6 MONTHS CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
erimon Amarr Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:07:00 - [128] Originally by: CCP Prism X Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Well, personally i am not much into nano ships. I have a polycarbed rapier but undocked it only like 3 times ever so... Anyhow when i entered singularity i found a whole lot of issues with my ships not related to nanoing at all. My rapier/huginn got nerfed, my battleships got nerfed(note i fly turret bs), my interceptors got nerfed, my falcon got an incredible (unneeded) boost, the blaster and ac ships of my mates got nerfed in ludicrous ways, solo play got another nerf(and no again not talking about nano here), ... Drones and missiles are in for the next nerf and are being looked into according to Nozh. And there are a lot of threads that attest just how many people are affected by this in a negative fashion. Many many nerfs will have to follow to clean this up and few of those are even remotely connected to nano ships. You know all this stuff and and you're telling us not to put all eggs in one basket. With all due respect for you as a dev who at least tries to stay in touch with his userbase i really don't think that analogy is anywhere near applicable.
Celesphira Archangels Assault Force Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:08:00 - [129] Originally by: CCP Prism X Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. I happen to be a specialized blasterboat pilot who's never nanoed anything in my life, and the changes terrify me.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:09:00 - [130] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Malcanis The savage pain of paying 25% above regional average for Wrath cruise? Ouch that needs a nerf. Mission hub prices are just griefing, plain and simple tbqfh. CCP NERF MARKET GRIEFING OR YOUR GAME WILL DIE WITHIN 6 MONTHS It's not the end of the world yet "We are in Emyrean Age"
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:11:00 - [131] Originally by: Celesphira Originally by: CCP Prism X Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. I happen to be a specialized blasterboat pilot who's never nanoed anything in my life, and the changes terrify me. Didnt you hear what he said? You are supposed to adapt and train for apoc now. Vote against the nano nerf!
Celesphira Archangels Assault Force Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:11:00 - [132] Heh, to be honest? I will be training amarr as my adapt, because I don't wanna draw die this go-around.
Elrca Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:13:00 - [133] I did think about quiting eve...but since I'm paid up till June '09 then meh I'm here for a while I agree with the speed nerf, as long as it doesn't break the ships that speed was the intention (ie Inerceptors, most minm ships). It is needed, and alot more ships will die Then there is the security sec changes, which I think will be better for all, after all sucide ganking is an issue. But people who haul billions of cargo in an indy without support should still be punishable (so gankers really need to choose their targets). There was talk of wardec changes but I don't think its part of this change, and I do hope that the mercenary role is looked at before the changes go through. So for the next year or so, I'll just have to adapt
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:13:00 - [134] Originally by: Malcanis CCP NERF MARKET GRIEFING OR YOUR GAME WILL DIE WITHIN 6 MONTHS <old meme> So there I was, trying to offload 150k CN Lead S rounds at a piddling 500% markup to some lazy mission runner, and suddenly, some griefer came and underbid me which annoyed me, How to to fix market?! SUSPEND ACCT!!! I cant log in at all anymore.Will not pay for something i cant play! Super angry and dissapointed.. 4 mo. of this i think i have been more than patient! </old meme> (The whole ammo sales bit is true though — I had to wait a whole 3 days before the other guy's stock had been bought up… Oh the agony! )
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:16:00 - [135] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? How is that harsh when EVE just got easier for all the inexperienced people? What you are doing is making it easy to play with "whatever" fittings, regardless of experience and style of play, only numbers are important. First time CCP tries to be "harsh" to the user base that has been paying its subscription the longest time, who knows, perhaps we'll be "harsh" right back to you. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
SpaceSavage Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:24:00 - [136] Im sorry, but what the **. When did CCP start trolling threads, posting smack and being forum *s? ** me how things have changed. _______________
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:25:00 - [137] Harsh? Or is the idea of breaking more mods just sound silly? lets just slow cruisers down to battlship speed so they are able keep up without afterburners. Maybe after enough crying we can just make it so anyone who jumps in can be scram with out the use of bubbles or interceptor pilots. Putting me out of business .. now that agony "I tell ya"
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:29:00 - [138] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 14:31:44 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 14:31:00 Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? You are aware that while you make Eve harsher (yeah right, more annoying is more like it) for nano pilots, suicide gankers, and soon, mercs, you are making Eve a whole heap more cuddly for the ones who had it pretty good to begin with, i.e hi sec mission runners and the like? Right? Right? My God... This is the issue. Every PvP-related playstyle is always harsh and gets nerfed (so, mercenary profession is next, judging from the idiotic ideas about defenders having a say in the war). However, you can live the happy L4 mission farming life, pretend you're playing a single player game (while affecting everyone else, but mission farmers dont care), and be preety damn invulnerable. Or if PvP is harsh for you, then you can just easily fund it with a mission farming alt. It's not like anyone can attack it, and it will keep you in T2 ships preety easily. So, yeah. Harsh. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:38:00 - [139] Edited by: Lt Angus on 11/08/2008 14:40:59 not directly due to the nerf but I dont like where the game is going, and almost everyone i know quit so its lost its fun. and im a blaster pilot, hated flying nano but loved that there was billion isk paydays flying arround Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:41:00 - [140] With the upcoming changes CCP is looking to drive the bulk of high sec PVP back into low sec where it belongs. High sec was becoming what low sec should be. Unlike the mass hysteria of the forums, this will not make high sec safe. You will still be able to gank, although it will require a little more than just 'lulz'. Eve should be a harsh game for all, not just the carebears. And high security space should be the least harsh of all. Also, low security space is getting a small boost in the form of anti-piracy which should bring even more fights for the pirates looking to PVP. Again, the ganking will still be there, but will shift more towards low sec, as it should be. There will still be enough PVP, you'll just have to look for it in lower security space. You could always plan that heist in 1.0 space, but you'll need to be more cunning and prepared. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:41:00 - [141] I'm not quitting but I will most likely shelve several alt accounts, less and less reason to dedicate time/money to this game every day.
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:49:00 - [142] Originally by: SpaceSavage Im sorry, but what the **. When did CCP start trolling threads, posting smack and being forum *s? ** me how things have changed. Since ever?I still remember Tomb smacking care bears ,the only thing that differs now is that most of the smackers with CCP are smacking the PVPers ,the balance has shifted . ------------------------------------------------------------------
Anna Valerios Amarr TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:54:00 - [143] CCP members of staff may report to my office for posting training.
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:03:00 - [144] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:07:00 - [145] im very happy about upcoming changes and cant see myself or my mains and alts leaving eve for a quite some time..
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:09:00 - [146] mmm, tears of whine.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:09:00 - [147] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. boohoo.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:14:00 - [148] Originally by: Newsflash im very happy about upcoming changes and cant see myself or my mains and alts leaving eve for a quite some time.. Big surprise, NC members got owned by nano's for so long. You guys must be rejoicing in the shire. [/url]
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:41:00 - [149] Originally by: Newsflash im very happy about upcoming changes and cant see myself or my mains and alts leaving eve for a quite some time.. Im happy as well.. thank you for supporting my Addiction
Harris AFK	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:45:00 - [150] Originally by: Prez21 I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money....but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make .... why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. What has the speed nerf got to do with carebears? Sure it effects PVP, but it effects everyone equally, like he said, if you put all your eggs in one basket and sign up to one style of play only then you deserve everything you get. On top of that, the changes aren't even finalised so a little bit of productive testing might be able to come up with alternative changes to achieve the same effect on the stupid speeds being achieved by some, without affecting so many others at the same time (small gang, blaster boats, et al). Your comments of course, could be on about the suicide ganks and the security nerfs. If you think that counts as PVP then it speaks volumes about you and the way you like to play. The only disadvantage to the security nerf is that it might be more awkward to keep your -10 sec rating than before.
Zooooooom	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:51:00 - [151] CCP, have you considered that the Deimos will be in deep crap now? With the web nerf, the tracking on blaster ships will be terrible. And a scram is going to disable an mwd, so if I fit an AB on my Deimos, then that's just one useless bonus for a Deimos, no? And the suicide nerf is going to be pretty bad. Consider mercenaries who fly into low sec for a contract. It's going to be more difficult to work sec status back up from that, then.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Harris Your comments of course, could be on about the suicide ganks and the security nerfs. If you think that counts as PVP then it speaks volumes about you and the way you like to play. The only disadvantage to the security nerf is that it might be more awkward to keep your -10 sec rating than before. They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Shigsy The Golden Goat	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:04:00 - [153] Edited by: Shigsy on 11/08/2008 16:04:31 Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. Agreeing with this post. edit: im actually cancelling my 3 accounts (seriously)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:06:00 - [154] Originally by: Shigsy edit: im actually cancelling my 3 accounts (seriously) Can I have your stuff? - DesuSigs
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:07:00 - [155] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Harris Your comments of course, could be on about the suicide ganks and the security nerfs. If you think that counts as PVP then it speaks volumes about you and the way you like to play. The only disadvantage to the security nerf is that it might be more awkward to keep your -10 sec rating than before. They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. I've read about this impending war dec nerf, but i haven't read anything about the changes yet, anyone know how it's getting nerfed? The idea of making a "fair" war is ridiculous. Wars are never fair, the victor is the more prepared or saavy player both IRL and (in game) [/url]
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:08:00 - [156] Originally by: CCP Atropos As much as I would love to, I can't use my cattle prod on them. /wants new in game item!!!!! I could really use this on a few corpies that annoy me!!!
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:09:00 - [157] Well CCP can always create another Guild Wars like Microsoft. You can have your PURE PVP or Carebear Servers. The Reason why I like EVE because both PVP and Carebear create the Game play. That really draws my attention to this SANDBOX game. The biggest issue for me is spending MONEY each month to train these useless skills. This is not the first time I train something for nothing.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:15:00 - [158] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 16:15:49 Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cpt Branko They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. I've read about this impending war dec nerf, but i haven't read anything about the changes yet, anyone know how it's getting nerfed? The idea of making a "fair" war is ridiculous. Wars are never fair, the victor is the more prepared or saavy player both IRL and (in game) Well, it appears that CCP is concerned because, as they said, "defenders have no control over the war" (lol?), and that it's a "pay to grief" system (grief, lol). Given the general direction they're heading in now, it's reasonable to expect a heavy-handed nerf. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:20:00 - [159] Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! He, he..... Someone with a sense of humor.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:22:00 - [160] Edited by: Andrue on 11/08/2008 16:21:44 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? CCP giveth and CCP taketh away. But if they nerf my Nighthawk again I shall stamp my foot and cry. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:27:00 - [161] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? The suicide change was an adjustment of the profit margin. Still the same as it was but the target has to be more profitable. Although most people think its ended suicide so they'll carry more stuff so the opportunities for ganking won't reduce. The numbers in the calculation will be bigger thats all. But you didn't want to say that becuase then the bears would realise you still cna't carry billiosn worth of stuff in a T! hauler and whine further. That's spinning a paradigm shift at CCP. You're removing non-consensual PvP bit by bit. It's insulting really that you would think we would go for that. But seeing the obvious change in the majority of the player base I see why you would think you would get away with it. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Sprobe Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:36:00 - [162] na I don't, Eve is an evolving game. But I'd understand if people are thinking about leaving, if you are highly affected by sudden nerf bats hitting you.
Phil Exon	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:39:00 - [163] I didn't like their nos nerf, i hated their dampner nerf and now nano nerf This is soooooooo freaking annoying, just let us play the game!
Aarin Wrath Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:43:00 - [164] I welcome the changes. Seemed like things were unbalanced to me. But yeah, in my defence I dont train flavor of the month. Seen that sort of play style get nerfed over and over again.
Rostran Targo Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:50:00 - [165] Confirming that I am not canceling my 2 accounts due to the speed nerf. Hey look! It's a signature! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Sarin Adler Caldari Saturn Ammo	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:00:00 - [166] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? Emo Rant Ok, tired of all forum tears and whines... why don't you go and design your own game and run your company how best sweats and wait until some customer goes and says how the game is supposed to be etc... It's easy people, if you don't like how the game is or is becoming you pack your things, give your stuff to all that people that is asking and leave. Whiners everyplace telling others how the game is or must be or how it's supposed to be players... STFU.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:03:00 - [167] If you train for something that looks like "god mode" you are only showing your nubbiness by crying that it got nerfed about the time you got there. Maxed out Vagas were pretty much "god mode". About the best someone could do against you was make you run away, but you always had the option to run away unless you screwed up. Here's a clue: When you see something like that in game, don't train for it, laugh at the people who are. CCP has been pretty consistant about not allowing "god mode" setups. As soon as a wise-guy figures one out and the word gets out and it becomes the FOTM, it gets whacked. Their vision for the game is and always has been that it comes down to player skill and setups. It's like the old adage in boxing that "styles make fights". As the devs said, when they see one style to rule them all, they're gonna whack it. Same with suicide ganking, it had become "god mode" too. Do your arithmatic right and there was no way to lose. You just had to be willing and lazy enough to camp some empire gate waiting for a juicy target. Take home the take home lesson from this. FOTM is called FOTM for a reason. It doesn't last. The other take-home lesson is that what you ought to be working on for PvP is good across the board support skills for the kind(s) of ships you fly, and work on your (you, not your character) skills. Just put the idea that spending billions on a wtfpwnmobile is going to make you godly. It won't, and if it does, it won't last very long.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:21:00 - [168] Originally by: Steve Hawkings Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post . Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game? Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future. People whining isnt feedback though Hi Mr Caldari alt. CCP employees can chuckle and make light of things. It's thier game to make-or break. But doing so while at the same time not bothering to respond to the informative posts by intelligent and experienced players in the game development area not to mention a certain elegant and simple alternative proposal put forward by Sarmaul is disappointing. Same goes for letting the joke known as the CSM become remotely involved in game design issues (or think they are). I happen to be a single account player. Minmatar specialized and have been since starting the game (with a recent branch into Amarr as cap warfare is a fun alternative). I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". I'm sure CCP will quickly make up the crappy 15 euros/month in spades by attracting less "hardcore" (I hate that term but it's the best I can come up with) or casual players. A lot will depend on what final changes are implemented on TQ. But in my view CCP is defeinitely moving away from a "cold harsh universe" to something along the lines of mass market appeal and "free-testbed-for-EmoVampires-Online-lolambulation". Good marketing decision from a business standpoint--bummer and tough *** for those who prefer more "hardcore" entertainment. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the ** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Nidda Coldbrew	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:55:00 - [169] Originally by: RuleoftheBone I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". Considering that by buying a GTC with isk all you are doing is having somebody else pay for your subscription in return for the isk you sold them I kinda doubt they are going to get worked up over your "protest" where they make exactly the same amount of money.
RuriHoshino Minmatar Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:35:00 - [170] I'm torn, honestly. I want to be able to complain about the total lack of dev response to the feedback threads, but having read and even responded in a few of them, I can also understand how unappealing it must be to wade through those sewers of alt postings and uninformed trolls. A lot of Amarr players stuck with their ships until CCP got around to bringing them up to spec, and now they again have some of the strongest PVP ships in the game. Minmatar haven't been "overpowered" since the HP buff, but we've been competitive because no matter what our ship's other schizophrenic tendencies we've been able to compensate by simply being faster than the other guy. If we weren't such a mess in all other respects this speed nerf might not hurt so bad, but obliterating Interceptors alltogether, removing speed tanking as a feasible alternative to lolactive shield tanking, and making our already sub-par battleships I can't stop putting this in italics because it infuriates me every time I think of it HEAVIER than the Caldari equivalents - all of it feels like a giant shaft to a race that was difficult to train for and play to begin with. And I don't know that I feel like waiting a couple of years before those skillpoints become useful again. I've cross-trained Caldari so my character will survive. But like a lot of others, it worries me when CCP makes grandiose claims about listening to their community and getting players involved in making changes to they game they pay to play, and then introduce sweeping changes that only the brain damaged thought were necessary. The same people who are shouting "adapt or die" when reasonable people raise reasonable objections to the proposed nerf are the ones who couldn't manage to adapt to nano ships in the first place, despite the well documented and proven counters that already existed. Such an obvious victory for these whiners, combined with the utter silence from game design developers, really dampens my hopes for the future of this game. More than the proposed changes themselves, more than the hopeless idiocy of a large portion of the player base, CCPs attitude regarding these changes is what actually has me considering setting BS 5 to train and dropping my sub. If this is the kind of development my money is supporting, then I'd rather not encourage it. And a preemptive for whoever asks for my stuff. F'koff. Support a Real, Reasonable Change to Speed
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:41:00 - [171] Originally by: Nidda Coldbrew Originally by: RuleoftheBone I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". Considering that by buying a GTC with isk all you are doing is having somebody else pay for your subscription in return for the isk you sold them I kinda doubt they are going to get worked up over your "protest" where they make exactly the same amount of money. Of course CCP won't get worked up over a lousy 15 euros. Having said that-"money talks and bullshit walks". I am sure I am not the only player contemplating a similar change of payment options (which is a shame as I do prefer to support dev work directly...as do others). But hey...I'm a minority in this instance. And minorities tend to get lost in the larger bleating "carebear" (another shit term) majority. And they definitely get lost when CCP marketing is possibly looking at where future customers are coming from. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
LuthienTinuviel The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:48:00 - [172] Ironically if anything as a Amarr pilot I get a little bit of a buff with the proposed changes however I am still thinking of quiting for the simple fact that I am sick to the back teeth of the lack of ability CCP show when they are going about "balancing" the game. CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that the have. So there you go a non nano pilot (I have one nano ship my Sacriledge) who is thinking of leaving because of this patch... Irony no? CCP Atropos > sigh it's simple really when it becomes the de facto method for fighting it needs ot be nerfed simple as really - WTF? l
Blitz'Krieg Caldari Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:50:00 - [173] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. Your tears are delicious and your stuff .. i can has it?
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:02:00 - [174] Edited by: Judge Ment on 11/08/2008 21:01:47 Originally by: Sprobe na I don't, Eve is an evolving game. But I'd understand if people are thinking about leaving, if you are highly affected by sudden nerf bats hitting you. I'd join with everyone who would cancel their account to keep from CCP from Nerfing MWD.. or any other mod again. Lets face it if the designer can't come up with a better alternative then the nerf bat. Then why spend my hard earn money? You think your boss would keep you around if you couldn't handle the job! I THINK NOT Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Ironically if anything as a Amarr pilot I get a little bit of a buff with the proposed changes however I am still thinking of quiting for the simple fact that I am sick to the back teeth of the lack of ability CCP show when they are going about "balancing" the game. CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that the have. So there you go a non nano pilot (I have one nano ship my Sacriledge) who is thinking of leaving because of this patch... Irony no? mhmm good stuff I love the last few threads.. BUT THIS ONE CAUGHT MY EYE =) kinda reminds me why I left Turbine and Blizzard CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that they have. Originally by: RuriHoshino I'm torn, honestly. I want to be able to complain about the total lack of dev response to the feedback threads, but having read and even responded in a few of them, I can also understand how unappealing it must be to wade through those sewers of alt postings and uninformed trolls. Im sure they said Meh after this post! Originally by: RuriHoshino A lot of Amarr players stuck with their ships until CCP got around to bringing them up to spec, and now they again have some of the strongest PVP ships in the game. Minmatar haven't been "overpowered" since the HP buff, but we've been competitive because no matter what our ship's other schizophrenic tendencies we've been able to compensate by simply being faster than the other guy. If we weren't such a mess in all other respects this speed nerf might not hurt so bad, but obliterating Interceptors alltogether, removing speed tanking as a feasible alternative to lolactive shield tanking, and making our already sub-par battleships I can't stop putting this in italics because it infuriates me every time I think of it HEAVIER than the Caldari equivalents - all of it feels like a giant shaft to a race that was difficult to train for and play to begin with. And I don't know that I feel like waiting a couple of years before those skillpoints become useful again. I think Minmatar is facing the same sort of shit! Originally by: RuriHoshino I've cross-trained Caldari so my character will survive. But like a lot of others, it worries me when CCP makes grandiose claims about listening to their community and getting players involved in making changes to they game they pay to play, and then introduce sweeping changes that only the brain damaged thought were necessary. The same people who are shouting "adapt or die" when reasonable people raise reasonable objections to the proposed nerf are the ones who couldn't manage to adapt to nano ships in the first place, despite the well documented and proven counters that already existed. Sometime I believe CCP doesn't want people to Cross Train. Let a loan have a Caldari Player in Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr Space. LOL Conspiracy theory Originally by: RuriHoshino And a preemptive for whoever asks for my stuff. F'koff. Awesome Attitude
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:12:00 - [175] TBH I'm really baffled by the rationale for making Minmatar ships heavier than Caldari. That's just... spiteful. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Dorah Hawkwing Armada.	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:16:00 - [176] I'll stay put. Finally buffer or active tanking becomes an option again. The whole I go so fast i'm untouchable and if still scratched I'm up up and away at ridiculous speeds game play style never apealed to me. I stuck with my tanked ships, and lo.. back we are. And honestly, suicide ganking needed a higher investment cost compared to payout. All the gankbears whining sure shows how much they gotten used to the buy, fit, kill, profit without risk playstyle they have become. Sure you can still suicide gank.. but you will ahve to pay your full ship costs. At least you safe the insurance 30% investment now. Now come out and play with the real PvPers.. those who go head a head, last one standing walks away. We wait, and we know our ships.
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Phoenix Tribe Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:17:00 - [177] I would quit, but my 6 months sub went through like a week before the devblog. So I guess i'll just sit around and train for an apoc once it hits :(
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:33:00 - [178] Originally by: Malcanis TBH I'm really baffled by the rationale for making Minmatar ships heavier than Caldari. That's just... spiteful. TBH Im just utterly Baffled myself
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:42:00 - [179] CCP:: 1400mm nerf bat strikes perfectly, wrecking for over 9000 forum whine lulz Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jaabaa Prime Minmatar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:44:00 - [180] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) If that was the case I would have left 4 1/2 years ago .... so you pack up and we'll keep on playing. --
Christina Vallentine Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:00:00 - [181] I actually like the changes being made... I'm fine with the hate that shall ensue from me stating this. /does the wave for devs
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:06:00 - [182] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) Something I tell newbies repeatedly: CCP will nerf what you are training for, probably the same day you finish spending 3 months of training. If you can't handle that, quit now. It's happened to me four times now, and yes, I was (and still am) training to fly Minmatar nano ships. The nerf bat is an ancient and fundimental part of Eve, accept it, love it, become one with it. If you can't do that, find another game. Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:21:00 - [183] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. 10 Commandments? Good god thanks for that marvelous introduction
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:45:00 - [184] Well I really dont care with what CCP decides to do. I think they know the game better then anyone and are the most interested in see the game balanced. I fly only Amarr ships. I've seen the end of sniping mega pulses, the end of 7 HS apocs, the total ner***e of the mighty zealot, the NOS nerf. Looking at all those changes now, they were good moves. The speed nerf is also a good move, in my humble opinion and people will recognize it later, I think. After this CCP can start focus on important stuff like the POS warfare, Sov issues, and try to fix the Titan/Mom's/Carriers monsters they've created, namely the impact the last 2 ships have in lag during fleet fights and re thinking the roles of the Titans, because in about 1 year tops, 0.0 space warfare is going to be a joke if they are not fixed. ________________ God is my Wingman
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:09:00 - [185] TBH I really don't care either. Its been about 2 full days since I played EVE. I been doing more fishing and I know Salmon season is starting here soon. - CCP - I know you don't care much But for every change you make, changes something else. So all your doing is masking things to covert the whines of people who haven't a clue. Instead of taking something away from the game. Make another mod to counter what is broken. Maybe speed up Cruise Missiles? to hit Nano ships. Design Drones to fly faster - (Cost more) Stop and think about the player base in the game. People are looking to destroy things. TBH that what makes EVE so much fun. Stop catering to the people who are destroying the game. Remove cyno for a week, then you will see this forum fill up with even more whines. Come out with super mods to kill Titans and Station in 0.0. After all there is way to many of them.. and just not enough market. - Judge Ment
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:43:00 - [186] Been thinking about it for a while now, but has nothing to do with the nerf. Just not a lot going on right now in Eve and I've re-found my X3: Reunion CDs. <3 2.5 Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:28:00 - [187] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. I presume that you think similarly about lag and people who can't handle staring 40 minutes at an empty overview while targets are being called on TS? How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
mishkof Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:56:00 - [188] When I started this game plated megas (blaster or rails, specificaly blasters) were considered one of the best ships in the game. Blasterboats(solo) were killed off with the proliferation of nano ships and the blob IMO. I didnt care. For the last 2 years (yes 2 years for all guns, tanking, T2 heavies, BS 5 etc) I have continued training it. It has now come full circle again where these will be viable ships to fly IMO. I guess patience and and understanding of the nature of the nerf has helped me in this regard because I dont see the doom and gloom other gallente pilots see with the MWD nerf(we have enough mids to survive). Bascialy I respect peoples decision to quit, however I wouldnt recomend it based on one instance of balancing done by CCP. I am still planning on training for a vagabond because they will still have their role fully intact IMO. They will not have the obsene high end abilities they do now, but in the end they will still be the best roaming ship available for the high end PVPers. If I was to ever leave eve permanently it would be because of lag for sure. I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Grim Vandal Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.12 07:57:00 - [189] Reintroduce warp to 15km and delete all bms around the gate every downtime. This goes along with the web change. And this would eve make a little more interesting again (cold, harsh, dark). But again your carebear subscribers will take it soooo long to travel and you simply removed it lol.
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 08:00:00 - [190] Edited by: Taradis on 12/08/2008 08:00:18 whoever quits message me in game and I will gladly take possesion of ur lovely items ships/mods/iski ect more than happy to do that for ya
mishkof Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2008.08.12 08:10:00 - [191] Originally by: Grim Vandal Reintroduce warp to 15km and delete all bms around the gate every downtime. This goes along with the web change. And this would eve make a little more interesting again (cold, harsh, dark). But again your carebear subscribers will take it soooo long to travel and you simply removed it lol. Of course you could just put aside 3 months and train for a HIC..but that would of course take effort so I see your point. I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.08.12 08:40:00 - [192] People come and go, most adapt to change. Anyone that spits the dummy over the recent changes probably added nothing to the game other than lag anyway.
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:32:00 - [193] Originally by: Veldya People come and go, most adapt to change. ^this^ Originally by: Veldya Anyone that spits the dummy over the recent changes probably added nothing to the game other than lag anyway. But what you have to remember is that teary whiners are that class of people who think that their monthly subscription buys them a seat on the CCP board of directors. I wish I was a 3ft Doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Indigo Johnson Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:34:00 - [194] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. A bit sad that this gets a dev response but we dont get a single reply to the 500 or so pages about the nanonerf. Not really. It's completely pointless for me to go into those threads and post my opinions, because as is the case with most of the Devs here, we're simply not involved in the design cycle. CCP's Nozh and Fendahl along with Hammerhead are the people most educated to give you valid feedback based on <insert fotm nerf here>, rather than myself. I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. That aside, it's Sunday evening, and I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too If your a part of CCP but nothing to do with the changes, could you not post in threads worrying about their affects on the game please? I don't mean to be rude and I know you use to be a player yourself, but you do more harm than good by putting your "light hearted" opinion out in the public forums.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:00:00 - [195] tbh i wont be missing any of the ppl leaving because of those changes, it just shows that they got the wrong attitude for EVE. (actually i would be happy to see a lot less ppl around ) ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:15:00 - [196] Originally by: Esmenet For there to be pvp there needs to be targets. If anything this will drive the last few targets out of low sec into high sec as there is absolutely no incentive to leave high sec. So it dont drive pvp into low sec, it drives pvp out of the game. Unlike the hysteria on the forums high sec is extremely safe and will now be carebear/iskfarmer heaven. Atm its only a harsh game for pvp'ers and the neglible risk for carebears is gone. I'd be surprised if there are any die hard -10 pirates left. If they want to pvp i bet they get their sec status up and try wardecs until that is nerfed. It's a funny thing, but repeating the same mantra over and over doesn't make it true. High-sec is extremely safe? You've never been decced by a vastly more powerful corp before then. No -10s left? Rubbish, I've encountered quite a few and I'd hardly call myself well travelled. No PvP in low-sec? What are you on? Missed the little war we're busy having? Missed the major alliances like RA and big pirate groups going in on it? Stop talking rubbish. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:21:00 - [197] Originally by: Indigo Johnson If your a part of CCP but nothing to do with the changes, could you not post in threads worrying about their affects on the game please? I don't mean to be rude and I know you use to be a player yourself, but you do more harm than good by putting your "light hearted" opinion out in the public forums. CCP have been smacking in GD for years. Heck if we had a system that controlled who posted what when it doesn't affect them, half the forums would be dead, and it wouldn't be as a result of CCP shutting up. Stop taking yourself and EVE so seriously, or go on a campaign to stop all trolling everywhere. You can't have it both ways. More harm than good? I for one like to see that the CCP people are human too. Oh and you are rude, whether you meant to be or not. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:27:00 - [198] Originally by: Malcanis TBH I'm really baffled by the rationale for making Minmatar ships heavier than Caldari. That's just... spiteful. You think scrap-metal is _light_?
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:52:00 - [199] i know the adapt or die/leave comment is becoming old but tbh i have seen many changes and nerfs and boosts in my time. i have lost billions due to them and made millions (yeah i'm lazy). if you really think about leaving: give it a month or two after the changes hit, see what you can still do with your 'old' setups and see how much fun you can have with the 'new' ones. or take a look into one of the other generic MMOs and come back with flowers for CCP or simply quit have fun whatever you do, rule number 1 in life i guess Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.12 11:18:00 - [200] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. So true. And its the same for any MMO basicly. The good thing is buffs/nerfs also tends to reshuffle a deadend FOTM build that everyone flies or want to fly. So less drama queens, more apdation and more fighting with IQ. And not just copy/paste setups. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.08.12 12:44:00 - [201] It's not the nerf that bothers me in a months time I can fly everything below Battleship and below for all races tech2 fitted. Apart from haulers lol Its the CCPs constant abandonment of base principles they always used to spout. Thats why they don't engage with the player base as much because they u-turn months later. I'm wondering if this calmmering for the popular dollar will benefit EVE to get rid of the awful lag created by 0.0 warfare mechanics. Or will it be poured into White Wolf and the new game thats being developed. I saw a thread asking where Oveur is, prolly training to be a vampire. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Rexthor Hammerfists The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.12 12:47:00 - [202] Here's the angry letter The Fukken Speed/Web-Changes was bound to spawn. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and enable all people to achieve their potential as human beings. He justifies his plans to cultivate an unhealthy sense of victimhood as "preemptive self-defense". Okay, that's a bit of an overstatement but for all of you reading this who are not lawless masters of deceit, you can understand where the motivation for that statement comes from. In his views, onanism is witting and unremitting, brazen and cuckoo. He revels in it, rolls in it, and uses it to ridicule, parody, censor, and downgrade opposing ideas. In any case, there is something in the way of "natural law" that can be stated awkwardly as follows: "If a new Dark Age is about to descend upon us -- as many believe it will -- it will be the result of Speed/Web-Changes's activities." Please do not quote me on that. Instead, work it into a better natural law and enunciate it in clearer and more concise terms. It is immaterial who is credited with the words; the objective is to make Speed/Web-Changes answer for his wrongdoings. Our goal must now be to exert a positive influence on the type of world that people will live in a thousand years from now. If you believe that that's a worthwhile goal, then I can indisputably use your help. Let me hear from you. - Any good reason for gateguns shooting drones and thus removing dronebased ships from pirating?
Darla Dawson	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:02:00 - [203] cancelled all 7 of my accounts
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:23:00 - [204] Originally by: Shintai Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. So true. And its the same for any MMO basicly. The good thing is buffs/nerfs also tends to reshuffle a deadend FOTM build that everyone flies or want to fly. So less drama queens, more apdation and more fighting with IQ. And not just copy/paste setups. What makes you think that people are going to start fighting with IQ now that those who did got nerfed because those who didn't whined until CCP caved in? CCP just confirmed that their vision is to enable people to defend themselves with any fittings and play style. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:27:00 - [205] Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 13:27:43 Originally by: Veldya People come and go, most adapt to change. Its easy to adapt but its completely beside the point people are trying to make. Those that whined about nanos will continue to die just to different setups. My guess the next whine of the month will be falcons and ECM in general. The issue is not about one specific ship but about forcing the pvp towards less diversity and more blobbing. Vote against the nano nerf!
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:51:00 - [206] Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 13:27:43 Originally by: Veldya People come and go, most adapt to change. Its easy to adapt but its completely beside the point people are trying to make. Those that whined about nanos will continue to die just to different setups. My guess the next whine of the month will be falcons and ECM in general. The issue is not about one specific ship but about forcing the pvp towards less diversity and more blobbing. That is actually the way I see it. Nano gangs are typically small roaming gangs. So, no more nanos that move fast so the next evolution will probably just be ewar. Probably stealth bombers + ewar... All cloaking ships... So, now there will be a cloaking gatecamp and someone will cry that they can't see them and whine nerf covert ops and other cloaking ships. (other than cloaking isk farmer ravens) Natural evolution.... if the casual players of eve hate it, it will be taken away.
Nezz Jaran	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:31:00 - [207] Been playing longer than some, not so long as others. Been around for a few nerfs, sometimes I got FUBAR'd mostly I was peripherally affected, at the most. The few times that I did get nerfed, I too cried out "I'ma quittin'!" with self-righteous indignation. But time has proven several things: 1. Honestly, no one really cares. Stop attention-whoring. (That goes for me as well) 2. The nerf bat comes for everyone, sooner or later. 3. Train and fly whatever you want, especially if it helps you achieve your in-game goals. 4. FOTM will be nerfed eventually. In all fairness, while some of these changes where needed, I feel they're heavy handed in certain areas, too numerous, and too fast. However, I'm not going to stop playing the game, even though the Minmatar mass addition cluster**** might cause me some headaches. For everyone saying you're going to quit, take a step back and ask yourself why you play the game. As long as you can come up with a reason other than "I like going really fast, being untouchable, and killing people" then take a look at other ship setups and find something else fun to fly. Just remember rule #4. If you don't care about rule #4, just start training BS 5, Energy Management 5, and Remote Armor Repair 5. Spider tanking, ECCM-reinforced BS gangs will be the next FOTM ;)
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front Tread Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:54:00 - [208] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. Great job of entirely missing the point. I believe CCP have also made these decisions because the world was not cold and harsh enough for the 0.0 nano pilots and the high sec gank pirates who are as much carebears as their victims.
Zora Gallente Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:06:00 - [209] Time for me to tackle this threadnaught eh. I've been with this game for almost 6 years (including beta), often more passive than active, I admit. But here's the thing, everytime I think that I'm out... they pull me back in! There are so many ways you can play eve, if your one holy and sacrosanct toy gets nerfed, just move on to the next and try something different. Expand your skillset, embrace change, think outside of the box and you shall be rewarded. Oh and ffs. Can we please have some more fun threads and less old whine around here? I know it's the season, but I don't like the taste.
Aarin Wrath Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:17:00 - [210] Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 12/08/2008 15:17:36 Originally by: Esmenet The issue is not about one specific ship but about forcing the pvp towards less diversity and more blobbing. [sarcasm] .... riiiiggghhhtttt... Because nano setups were all oh so wonderfully "diverse". Nano Cake Mix: MWD: Check. PolyCarb Rigs: Check. Snake Implants: Check. NanoFiber: Check. IStab: Check. Add Weapons to taste. Cook for 1 hour, then undock and kill and easily run away if things go sideways. [/sarcasm] Sorry ... I know i am trolling abit here but that point always gets to me. Trolls used to same argument when they nerfed the myrmidon. All of its setups were cookie cutter but apparently it was "diverse". I'll go back under my bridge now ...
7shining7one7 Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:20:00 - [211] Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: Murtala Is there a list of proposed module changes anywhere so I can see what the fuss is about. Thanks Speed Rebalanced Serious Security These are the two dev blogs listing some of the upcoming changes :) awesome changes imo, taskforce doughnut ftw!
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:27:00 - [212] Originally by: Nozh bringing balance to the galaxy After reading the entire NERF BAT. I think Nozh should said changing EVE name to Galaxy .
Najovia Destis Cruororis Consors Conlegium	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:32:00 - [213] I came back due to the nerf bat....
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:39:00 - [214] Originally by: Najovia Destis I came back due to the nerf bat.... I Just Canceled my account because of people like this. TBH I think they just wanted to be heard. This is a MORONIC POST - Troll
Lyvv Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:40:00 - [215] Edited by: Lyvv on 12/08/2008 15:43:07 Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 13:27:43 Originally by: Veldya People come and go, most adapt to change. Its easy to adapt but its completely beside the point people are trying to make. Those that whined about nanos will continue to die just to different setups. My guess the next whine of the month will be falcons and ECM in general. The issue is not about one specific ship but about forcing the pvp towards less diversity and more blobbing. Actually, I think it will be long-term cloakers in 0.0 systems who will get the shaft. HACs gone - might as well get rid of the Recons while at it... As a matter of fact, why not remove every other ship besides Bantams for the nubs, Ravens for the middle class and Carriers and Dreads for the rest, all Caldari of course. "One Race to rule them all". It would be so much easier to manage for CCP in terms of nerfing shit. Wouldnt want those folks to bust an artery trying to think about balance or anything...
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:40:00 - [216] Originally by: Najovia Destis I came back due to the nerf bat.... You will leave again when you get killed by ecm heavy gangs, rr gangs or whatever else becomes popular that you fail to adapt to. Vote against the nano nerf!
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:44:00 - [217] Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 13:27:43 Originally by: Veldya People come and go, most adapt to change. Its easy to adapt but its completely beside the point people are trying to make. Those that whined about nanos will continue to die just to different setups. My guess the next whine of the month will be falcons and ECM in general. The issue is not about one specific ship but about forcing the pvp towards less diversity and more blobbing. Actually, their intent is to force PvP into more diversity and less FOTM. If falcons become the FOTM and people figure out a way to set them up and use them to which there is no counter, and you start seeing EVERY gang being made up of falcons and cloakers, yeah, they'll probably get whacked. The fundamental problem is that everyone (naturally) wants the easy, low risk gank. Roaming gangs and gate-camps of a half-dozen look to gank solo players. If the gang of a half-dozen gets attacked by a gang of 36 (still a 6:1 ratio) they biotch about blobbing. A gang of 6 should die to a gang of 36, just like a solo player should die to a gate-camp of six. Assuming both the 36 and the 6 are competent, of course. It is and always has been about trying to evade superior forces while engaging weaker ones. Funny thing is the same people who whine loudest about the nano nerf would also whine about any change that made it easier for a solo player to evade a roaming gang or gate camp. Bottom line is that everyone is just looking for easy mode, regardless of their style of play and whine when they don't get it, or get it taken away.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:52:00 - [218] Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 15:52:38 Originally by: Somealt Ofmine Actually, their intent is to force PvP into more diversity and less FOTM. Atm i fly mostly hacs and battleships in pvp. After patch i will fly battleships almost excusively and even use less types of battleships. I cant see that having less options of ships to fly is anything but less diversity. Vote against the nano nerf!
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:21:00 - [219] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 12/08/2008 16:26:38 Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 12/08/2008 16:22:58 Originally by: Esmenet Atm i fly mostly hacs and battleships in pvp. After patch i will fly battleships almost excusively and even use less types of battleships. I cant see that having less options of ships to fly is anything but less diversity. The design philosophy of the game always has been that there should be a way to win regardless of the class of ship you fly against any other class of ship. It all comes down to having the right setup to counter what your opponent is flying. A HAC set up to kill inties might die to other hacs. A HAC set up to kill battleships might die to inties. Depending on how you set up your boat, you'll be strong against some classes/setups, and weak against others. When a someone comes up with a setup that has no (or practically no) weaknesses, it's just going to get whacked. It happened with stabbed sniper boats. It happened with nos-a-domis, and now with nano boats. If you fly only battleships post-patch there are going to be some classes/setups that you'll die to consistantly. If not, battleships (or some battleships) will become the new FOTM, and the nerf bat will come for them too. At the end of the day, it has to come down to picking your targets, and knowing how to fly the class of ship you're flying against whomever you're going up against. The better PLAYER should win, with something of an edge going to the veteran (SP). Spending gobs of isk or flying the FOTM setup should not render skill irrelevent, and grant you "god mode".
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:27:00 - [220] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. I presume that you think similarly about lag and people who can't handle staring 40 minutes at an empty overview while targets are being called on TS? Yep Play nice while you butcher each other.
Braaage eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:31:00 - [221] I'm going to stick my neck out here a bit and speak for the corp I am in. Most of the 0.0 alliances will have heard of Exceed and the fact for the last umpteen months our PVP gangs have been nano gangs. See our FCs figured out by nanoing most things can't hit you, in fact the only way to counter a nano gang is either a DD off a titan or to hit it with another nano gang. I told our corp the other day that the nano nerf was their fault and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually true Anyway the point of my post is this.... when our PVPers heard of the nano nerf it was like WTF!!! OH NOES!!!!! and then after the initial dust had settled our FCs sat down and figured out how to use this to our advantage. Not OMFG THAT'S IT I'M LEAVING, or F*** THAT I'M OFF NOW. I was slightly amazed actually cos I thought that would have been the response. So all the whiners saying they are leaving cos of the nano nerf, well, hah.... adapt!! PS I just realised this may not be a nano nerf thread whine but I'll be damned if I aint posting it now I typed it out -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more
Johann Jeneau Gallente Cricas Portuguese Korp	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:36:00 - [222] I'm not leaving, eagerly waiting for the next patch (after the promised nerf one), where ccp instead of sending sand to our eyes (add "content" and nerf/change stuff ) really fix the broken stuff in eve, risk-reward balance, and blob=win factors. I like my steaks bloody as hell
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:37:00 - [223] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve does not need, or want, those who cant handle it. I presume that you think similarly about lag and people who can't handle staring 40 minutes at an empty overview while targets are being called on TS? Sort of. The game lags. Given the current sov mechanics, mega-blobs are the way to win, lag or no. If conquering 0.0 space is your reason for playing the game, and you can't handle lag / utterly broken and boring game play as long as you "win", yeah, you should leave. Fortunately there is quite a bit to do in Eve without conquering/holding 0.0 space for those of us that enjoy playing something that resembles a game, rather than a Powerpoint presentation. If there was nothing else to do in the game but suffer through 20 minute module activation and dying before the grid loaded, I'd leave. I don't have enough ego invested in the game that "winning" is worth sitting through that to me. Everyone makes their own choice about that, I guess.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:41:00 - [224] I think about 3 people will quit. Then they'll get bored playing WoW and come back. Get out of my way. I'm liquored up and looking fer love. I support log offs. There's just something about denying free electrons to my computer that appeals to my need for control.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:44:00 - [225] Originally by: Braaage I'm going to stick my neck out here a bit and speak for the corp I am in. Most of the 0.0 alliances will have heard of Exceed and the fact for the last umpteen months our PVP gangs have been nano gangs. See our FCs figured out by nanoing most things can't hit you, in fact the only way to counter a nano gang is either a DD off a titan or to hit it with another nano gang. I told our corp the other day that the nano nerf was their fault and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually true Anyway the point of my post is this.... when our PVPers heard of the nano nerf it was like WTF!!! OH NOES!!!!! and then after the initial dust had settled our FCs sat down and figured out how to use this to our advantage. Not OMFG THAT'S IT I'M LEAVING, or F*** THAT I'M OFF NOW. I was slightly amazed actually cos I thought that would have been the response. So all the whiners saying they are leaving cos of the nano nerf, well, hah.... adapt!! PS I just realised this may not be a nano nerf thread whine but I'll be damned if I aint posting it now I typed it out 1st Open your eyes.. I didn't want to Touch on Nano BTW There is more ways to get nano ships 2nd Nobody is saying OMG Im quiting - Again Im not quiting. What im saying is: Im willing to cancel my account as a petition type. I don't believe Petition are going to stop the Nerf Bat. I do believe that Money will. After all who is going to pay for all these expensive servers you all play on. Again Im not giving the OMG Im quiting attitude. I spent to much time training the accounts I own. 3rd I Believe there are better ways to handling the problem other then taking a NERF BAT To all the mods and implants listed. BTW There more than ONE NERF BAT BEING TALK ABOUT. This touches on mutiple issues Last anyone remember the last patch? "There was nothing nerf" - What a bunch of BS that was
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:55:00 - [226] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Esmenet Never said you were the one to supply it and i honestly dont care if you reply in more useless topics such as this. But whether you like it or not it sends a message about CCP when you reply to this but give the silent treatment to a topic that has generated threads with over 100 pages. Even if you dont have the finished "answer" you could at least say something especially in the threads started by CCP as "official" discussion threads. Oh I perfectly understand your position and your wish for a dev to post. Silence is not indicative of us ignoring the thread, and I do know for a fact that both Nozh and Fendahl have been watching the threads with avid interest. As much as I would love to, I can't use my cattle prod on them. I could give you my stuff, but without the Polaris skill to fly the ships, they're kinda useless The irritation occurs when 100's of pages get created with gripes moans and whines about the up and coming 'nano nerf', but no feedback from the devs..the people just wanna feel like they are being heard. A simple 'hi we are reading your comments' in the development threads etc goes a long way. Thanks for letting us know that Nozh and Fendahl 'have been watching the threads with avid interest'. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Liz Laser	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:59:00 - [227] I wouldn't know a nano if it bit me in the arse. Can I nano my Retriever? :-) Suicide Ganking never appealed to me. So why exactly would I leave?
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:05:00 - [228] Originally by: Liz Laser I wouldn't know a nano if it bit me in the arse. Can I nano my Retriever? :-) Suicide Ganking never appealed to me. So why exactly would I leave? Sorry can't help you
Duncan MacPherson Minmatar Black Lion Legion	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:08:00 - [229] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) I will not leave because I am a rational adult. I realize that because some folks have abused a mechanic in the game that CCP mearly needs to adjust said mechanics to correct and maintain balance. BTW - My main ship is a vagabond. Anyone who complains about this really needs to 1. Get a life 2. Realize its a game 3. Needs to adapt or move outta the way. I for one will not miss anyone who leaves over this. Less lag for me.
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:13:00 - [230] Edited by: Gracious NightAngel on 12/08/2008 17:16:19 I couldn't help my self. Someone draw me a picture here "I am a rational adult" who plays click games. How Rational is that? I don't think you made your case\ There is a balance issues : Easy fix "Nerf Bat" OP Pointed out that there is other ways to go around then easy fix. I think CCP has maintain game for their game play. After all the majority of them Devs *****ing
Surreptitious State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:15:00 - [231] Thinking about it yes, leaning towards it no, but it all depends on how things play out. Im not really outraged or angered by the changes so much tbh,, 2 years ago I would have never considered leaving. But after almost 5 years the whole game itself just seems kindof meh. If the changes take my fun away then yeah I'll probably hit the cancel button and leave sometype of disguting ****ographic note for the customer service rep to read. Maybe just a link to 2 Girls 1 Cup. Syrup
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:29:00 - [232] Originally by: Surreptitious Thinking about it yes, leaning towards it no, but it all depends on how things play out. link to 2 Girls 1 Cup. Syrup How things play out : Another Sci Fi space game that better then what Im playing now 2girl thingy : Just Gross "Did you see the kermit Frog view?"
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:21:00 - [233] Well, I don't know.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:27:00 - [234] Well...if you are going to QUIT...then quit. Shut up, go get your panties out of their ruffles and go back to playing WOW. Its fricking hilarious with the whiners THREATENING to quit over stuff they bloody well knew was going to get nerfed. The only thing they DIDN'T know was when. Well, the wen is NOW. So IF you can't continue playing a game because its going to end your life, then you just need to leave and free up the server resources for us that wish to still be here and aren't throwing around 12-month old temper-tantrums. ROFL, you people are frickin jokes.
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:41:00 - [235] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Well...if you are going to QUIT...then quit. Shut up, go get your panties out of their ruffles and go back to playing WOW. Its fricking hilarious with the whiners THREATENING to quit over stuff they bloody well knew was going to get nerfed. The only thing they DIDN'T know was when. Well, the wen is NOW. So IF you can't continue playing a game because its going to end your life, then you just need to leave and free up the server resources for us that wish to still be here and aren't throwing around 12-month old temper-tantrums. ROFL, you people are frickin jokes. Thank you for your wonderfull speech I'm really impress. I guess if I was to quit, people like you would be the reason! I don't believe your helping to solve a problem. - This is why Cost of living is high.. To many Democrats
tartrus Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:51:00 - [236] CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE CRY MORE LOL
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:22:00 - [237] tartrus - Your just the kinda a person I want to hang with. How do I become part of you corporation?
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.13 02:59:00 - [238] Funny thing Is Im barking now, But few weeks from now you people will be barking. Im just shinning the light on subject that will be coming soon.. BTW I Been training the wife for Gallente thinking Blaster were the ticket. Now changing to rails and drones untill CCP Nerfs that Im crying "Give me time to catch my tears"
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:36:00 - [239] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Well...if you are going to QUIT...then quit. Shut up, go get your panties out of their ruffles and go back to playing WOW. Its fricking hilarious with the whiners THREATENING to quit over stuff they bloody well knew was going to get nerfed. The only thing they DIDN'T know was when. Well, the wen is NOW. So IF you can't continue playing a game because its going to end your life, then you just need to leave and free up the server resources for us that wish to still be here and aren't throwing around 12-month old temper-tantrums. ROFL, you people are frickin jokes. almost 2 years of continual gameplay, hardly a solid indiciation that anyone thought something was wrong except for the orginal whiners
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.13 13:11:00 - [240] Originally by: Matrixcvd Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Well...if you are going to QUIT...then quit. Shut up, go get your panties out of their ruffles and go back to playing WOW. Its fricking hilarious with the whiners THREATENING to quit over stuff they bloody well knew was going to get nerfed. The only thing they DIDN'T know was when. Well, the wen is NOW. So IF you can't continue playing a game because its going to end your life, then you just need to leave and free up the server resources for us that wish to still be here and aren't throwing around 12-month old temper-tantrums. ROFL, you people are frickin jokes. almost 2 years of continual gameplay, hardly a solid indiciation that anyone thought something was wrong except for the orginal whiners Been 2yrs since Kali patch? WTZ = Only thing CCP did right.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.13 13:25:00 - [241] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 13/08/2008 13:26:48 Originally by: Matrixcvd almost 2 years of continual gameplay, hardly a solid indiciation that anyone thought something was wrong except for the orginal whiners Translation: "Yeah there were complains but they were just from whiners. See? My logic is flawless and there really wasnt a problem :)"
Queen Killerz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:28:00 - [242] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 13/08/2008 13:26:48 Originally by: Matrixcvd almost 2 years of continual gameplay, hardly a solid indiciation that anyone thought something was wrong except for the orginal whiners Translation: "Yeah there were complains but they were just from whiners. See? My logic is flawless and there really wasnt a problem :)" Logic: There wouldn't be any complaints if it wasn't for the whiners, "Now would there be?" To me just sounds like there a valid Opinion here. But maybe that my own opinion
Mr Morimoto The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.23 03:00:00 - [243] Not really. It's completely pointless for me to go into those threads and post my opinions, because as is the case with most of the Devs here, we're simply not involved in the design cycle. CCP's Nozh and Fendahl along with Hammerhead are the people most educated to give you valid feedback based on <insert fotm nerf here>, rather than myself. I work in QA Engineering, and given the way most people consider us to be essentially useless, you probably don't want us balancing the game. That aside, it's Sunday evening, and I'm pretty sure we get to have time off too Then why are ya on the forums? Love it, ""it's someone elses problem, and its the weekend" Well you can take the helios i trained for and 2 days later ya sneaked into my hanger and turned it ugly, and stick it where the star dont shine............. -----Empire Corp in need of isk farmers. Must be willing to move into my basement. Bread and water provided daily. Convo ingame-----

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