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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:52:00 -
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Ok, before I start, I want to say for the record this is not a whine post.
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out. Shortly there-after, said prober left and a Gila appeared and began to salvage and loot our wrecks. Being that I was in a salvager, I went back to the station and undocked in my Megathron Navy Issue (was in a mission fit, wasn't expecting what happened) and went to the mission area. Upon engaging said Gila, I was warp-scrambled and webbed (I know I was in deep crap now).
Two buddies came into the mission. A Basilisk and a Raven. However neither one of those guys had aggro. Only the Gila pilot. So here I am webbed, warp-scrambled, and staring Death in the eyes. I know what's coming. I knew it from the second that warp-scrambler went on me. The Gila pilot EJECTS as does the pilot from the Raven. Now I can no longer shoot the Gila OR the Raven OR the pod or I risk Concord action. So all I can do is wait. I try to warp out because there was a temporary pause in the warp scrambling but said Basilisk was a nano Basilisk and decided to bump me. Hehe. Clever, eh? Anyhow the original pilot I aggressed (Gila) now pops into said Raven and the Raven becomes bliny red. The Basilisk starts to rep the Raven from my assault and then also goes blinky red. I attempt to engage the Basilisk and the Raven tracking disrupts me.
I died. A painful death. My backup (Dominix) also died. =(
So was this an exploit? Or a clever gank? Using a Gila to aggro, having buddies come in, swapping ships (during which time I *cannot* engage) and whatnot? Just looking for some thoughts. So I lost a True Sansha Navy Issue Mega. Big deal.
Just looking for your thoughts.
~Solo
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:57:00 -
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mission fit navy mega > common sense
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 13/08/2008 22:03:43
All that happened was that he had corpmates bring another ship to him. Swapping ships in space is not an exploit.
That's INCREDIBLY ****ing crafty, though.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 13/08/2008 22:03:43
All that happened was that he had corpmates bring another ship to him. Swapping ships in space is not an exploit.
That's INCREDIBLY ****ing crafty, though.
Catch: They were not all in the same corp.
~Solo
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:07:00 -
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Meh. Still doesn't matter. He had friends bringing him a ship.
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Thingymawotzit
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 -
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Tbh you deserved it regardless of whether its an exploit or not. Was a dumb idea taking a navy mega in there and secondly not doing enough damage to kill a gila before his support comes in.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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Aye. I know that, in itself, is not an exploit.
The part I am finding questionable is this:
I had engaged the Gila and then his buddies (Basilisk/Raven) showed up. Said guy in Gila **ejected** from the Gila (thus meaning I could no longer shoot at the Gila nor the pilots pod) and had to disengage. During that time, I could not do anything to prevent the gank. I had nothing to shoot at. The Raven pilot ejected and said Gila pilot took over the Raven. Then the Raven went blinky-red on me. So my question -- and the part I think is a possible exploit -- is the fact he ejected to avoid combat. I couldn't do **anything** during that time.
~Solo
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thingymawotzit
Tbh you deserved it regardless of whether its an exploit or not. Was a dumb idea taking a navy mega in there and secondly not doing enough damage to kill a gila before his support comes in.
Take your flames elsewhere.
~Solo
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:18:00 -
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Pretty clever on their part, and really dumb on yours. If in any doubt, just petition it -- that will get you a better response than anything here.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Error
Pretty clever on their part, and really dumb on yours. If in any doubt, just petition it -- that will get you a better response than anything here.
In the meantime, you fail.
Yep. That pretty much explains it. I was expecting to engage a Gila and only a Gila. Wasn't expecting this at all.
And said Gila was orbiting me with a MWD. My tracking was good. But not THAT good. Lol.
Was fail on my part for bringing out the Mega. I know this.  |
Kavu
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kavu on 13/08/2008 22:33:33
just target the empty ships
then no one can get into them....
you cant board a targeted ship,
call up 2 friends
and blam you got a free gila and raven
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:28:00 -
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That was a pretty damn sweet gank.
Sol, the bad news is a think your gonna find that is not an exploit, though it may be deemed one if it becomes frequently used in todays game climate...
I think in this particular case, having never really heard of that particular use of game mechanics, CCP may in fact say "good job for planning that" to the guys who actually ganked you.
Also, never undock with the possibility of any form of aggression (can thieves included) without a combat fit (The guy stole from you, right in your face, you kinda tried to use the Mega as a show of force, kinda "F-OFF NAVY MEGA" thing), ESPECIALLY on a navy issue ship, but I'm pretty sure you've just been made aware of that.
All in all, I'd give it a clever gank factor of 8/10
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu
Edited by: Kavu on 13/08/2008 22:33:33
just target the empty ships
then no one can get into them....
you cant board a targeted ship,
call up 2 friends
and blam you got a free gila and raven
See this, read this, learn from guys like this
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:39:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 13/08/2008 22:42:44
Edited by: Solomon XI on 13/08/2008 22:42:13
Edited by: Solomon XI on 13/08/2008 22:39:54
Originally by: Sebea
That was a pretty damn sweet gank.
Sol, the bad news is a think your gonna find that is not an exploit, though it may be deemed one if it becomes frequently used in todays game climate...
I think in this particular case, having never really heard of that particular use of game mechanics, CCP may in fact say "good job for planning that" to the guys who actually ganked you.
Also, never undock with the possibility of any form of aggression (can thieves included) without a combat fit (The guy stole from you, right in your face, you kinda tried to use the Mega as a show of force, kinda "F-OFF NAVY MEGA" thing), ESPECIALLY on a navy issue ship, but I'm pretty sure you've just been made aware of that.
All in all, I'd give it a clever gank factor of 8/10
Yeah. It was a mistake on my part for sure. It was tanked Therm/Kin and like I said, I was expecting just to engage a Gila. Had both my girls Domi and my Mega been fit for PvP properly, they all would've died. There's no doubt about that. It was my mistake for undocking in it. Lol. 
Also I didn't know if you target an empty ship -- that they can't get into it. That's a new one on me and one I wish I knew about.
Note: It wasn't about a show of force. I was in a rush because I want to kill the Gila and it was all I had in the system. I was indeed sad to see that my Deimos and Myrmidon were two jumps away. 
~Solo
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:40:00 -
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if logging out in space is an intended game mechanic I can't see switching ships in space being illegal
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
if logging out in space is an intended game mechanic I can't see switching ships in space being illegal
Switching ships in space isn't illegal and is fair. It's switching ships during PvP to avoid aggro that is questionable. Re-read.
~Solo
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu
Edited by: Kavu on 13/08/2008 22:33:33
just target the empty ships
then no one can get into them....
you cant board a targeted ship,
call up 2 friends
and blam you got a free gila and raven
If you find yourself in a fair fight, something went wrong
Originally by: Patch86
OK people, Amberly Coteaz has won life for the time being. Everyone go home and wait for the round reset.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:47:00 -
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His complaint is that he couldn't do anything while the switch was going on, as the aggression timer doesn't apply to pods. That might be a legitimate complaint, although I doubt it would change much since chances are his friends brought the battleship quite close to him to minimize downtime.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
His complaint is that he couldn't do anything while the switch was going on, as the aggression timer doesn't apply to pods. That might be a legitimate complaint, although I doubt it would change much since chances are his friends brought the battleship quite close to him to minimize downtime.
Exactly. The timer also doesn't apply to ships that are un-piloted. So I couldn't do anything to defend myself for about 45 seconds.
~Solo
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Ok, before I start, I want to say for the record this is not a whine post.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:08:00 -
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mission runners are so clueless.
If you don't understand the combat mechanics, then don't take any action.
however, 
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gruxella on 13/08/2008 23:10:25
if someone had hopped into the gila resulting in you getting concorded it would have been an exploit.
The best thing you could have done was stay aligned. As soon as he left the gila the point dropped and he would have had to relock you in the raven.
They could have bumped you out of alignment of course but no they did not exploit. It's borderline to me personally but eve is very black and white and they didn't break the rules.
edit: you can continue to shoot the gila after he ejects. If someone else hops in it. That's the exploit.
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Jarek Naumen
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
His complaint is that he couldn't do anything while the switch was going on, as the aggression timer doesn't apply to pods. That might be a legitimate complaint, although I doubt it would change much since chances are his friends brought the battleship quite close to him to minimize downtime.
However that is not true. As someone already mentioned very correctly, he could've TARGETED the Gila and Raven. Thus making both pilots unable to board them. In this case the only thing the aggressors could've done is:
1. Basilisk tries to keep you bumped
2. The 2 other pilots would have to go away and grab some other ships before aggression runs out. Actually only 1 of them had aggression rights if i understood right.
3. Meanwhile you can call in friends to grab the Gila + Raven 
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
mission runners are so clueless.
If you don't understand the combat mechanics, then don't take any action.
however,
Hehe I'm not exactly a mission runner. I jsut run them from time to time to rebuild my wallet. Then I go back into low/null.
~Solo
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:14:00 -
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That is pretty sweet, but I think it would be far more appropriate if the Gila (in this case) remained a legal target despite the fact that the pilot ejected.
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jarek Naumen
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
His complaint is that he couldn't do anything while the switch was going on, as the aggression timer doesn't apply to pods. That might be a legitimate complaint, although I doubt it would change much since chances are his friends brought the battleship quite close to him to minimize downtime.
However that is not true. As someone already mentioned very correctly, he could've TARGETED the Gila and Raven. Thus making both pilots unable to board them. In this case the only thing the aggressors could've done is:
1. Basilisk tries to keep you bumped
2. The 2 other pilots would have to go away and grab some other ships before aggression runs out. Actually only 1 of them had aggression rights if i understood right.
3. Meanwhile you can call in friends to grab the Gila + Raven
As I recall you are only unable to board a ship that doesn't belong to you while it's targeted, so both pilots could have reboarded their original ships, and relied on the basilisk repping the gila to kill the navy mega. There is of course a 30s session change timer to reboard, so bumping aside, warping becomes possible.
It's not the first, or last, time we'll hear about mid-fight ship swaps.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:18:00 -
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Alright. I had this under petition and just received a reply. The GM's officially stated that this *is not* an exploit and is *intended game mechanics*.
RIP Navy Issue Megathron
~Solo
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 13/08/2008 23:23:58
During the ship swap, they were *no threat to me*. That's the reasoning, apparently. Even though I was aggro'd.
Still in discussions with a GM...
~Solo
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:31:00 -
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How innteresting.
I know that having buddies bring ships to a -10 red flashy for suiciding victims in highsec was ruled an exploit. I just wonder where the line is...
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amarrly
Amarr
Servant's of order
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: amarrly on 13/08/2008 23:54:26
So you say the basilisk got aggro repping the raven, what happened to the basilisk , he just carry on blinking, or was this in hi sec? and if he did aggro, why did'nt concord pop him. and if it was'nt in hi sec and your feeling revengeful why did'nt you carry on killing the gila then work on the raven with your domi back up?
Or what is the rules with logistics in hi sec now, last time i used them you did'nt get aggro at all.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 -
[31]
Yeah. I shouldn't never have taken it into the situation to begin with. None the less, I did. Lol. My PvP ships were a few systems away. Dumb move on my part.
~Solo
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:56:00 -
[32]
Originally by: amarrly
Edited by: amarrly on 13/08/2008 23:54:26
So you say the basilisk got aggro repping the raven, what happened to the basilisk , he just carry on blinking, or was this in hi sec? and if he did aggro, why did'nt concord pop him. and if it was'nt in hi sec and your feeling revengeful why did'nt you carry on killing the gila then work on the raven with your domi back up?
Or what is the rules with logistics in hi sec now, last time i used them you did'nt get aggro at all.
Gila pilot got into Raven. I engaged Raven. Basilisk begins to remote rep said Raven. I engage Basilisk because he becomes blinky red to me. And this was ALL in high-sec.
~Solo
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SkyFlyer
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:42:00 -
[33]
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U SIR ARE FAIL!!!!!
(coudnt resist that)
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kublai
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:44:00 -
[34]
Now that's creativity, that is one guy who deserves his loot.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:54:00 -
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Ia m sorry for your loss.
That said Gila and Basilisk vs Megathron sounds like from a Gozilla Movie O.o
War. War never changes.
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:57:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/08/2008 23:53:27
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/08/2008 23:52:39
Never ever take your mission fit BS to try to fight a suicide gank. What you should've done is grab that Heavy Neutron Blaster II fit trimarked fully gank mega with, say, double webs, and then show the Gila pilot (if the other guys aren't on grid, if they are just don't engage) how it feels to die in 15s before your backup arrives :)
Could be funny if done right ;)
Otherwise, no exploit there, just very cleverly done.
Alternatively, you could/should kept the Gila AND Raven locked. As far as I can recall, you cannot board ships which are locked.
Medium guns you say? Brilliant.
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Scurvy Rickett
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:08:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Gruxella
edit: you can continue to shoot the gila after he ejects...
This.
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar
corporation 1518849429
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Scurvy Rickett
Originally by: Gruxella
edit: you can continue to shoot the gila after he ejects...
This.
that.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dura''Lorth on 14/08/2008 02:45:07
Concord doesnt attack you if your shooting an empty ship. Do you not understand this? is it that hard for you to grasp the simplest of concepts? They eject, you blow up the empty ships. You got spanked, and just proved to the world how big of a noob you are.
Also medium guns on a navy Mega, you deserved to lose it.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:54:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Dura'Lorth
Edited by: Dura''Lorth on 14/08/2008 02:45:07
Concord doesnt attack you if your shooting an empty ship. Do you not understand this? is it that hard for you to grasp the simplest of concepts? They eject, you blow up the empty ships. You got spanked, and just proved to the world how big of a noob you are.
Also medium guns on a navy Mega, you deserved to lose it.
Medium guns, you say? 425MM Tech-II, nub. Also, you post with an alt. Post with your main before you speak. I got rolled because I mis-calculated and didn't expect it. Like I said, I've never seen that trick before. I also didn't know that if you shoot an empty ship, you don't get Concordoken'd. Like I said, it was new to me. So please, shut the hell up... and die in a fire... because you sir, fail to grasp what my original post was about.
I was a *n00b* in the respect that I've never seen NOR used this trick before. So please. Just... die.
~Solo
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Kavu
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 03:03:06
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 02:59:25
Originally by: Dura'Lorth
Edited by: Dura''Lorth on 14/08/2008 02:45:07
Concord doesnt attack you if your shooting an empty ship. Do you not understand this? is it that hard for you to grasp the simplest of concepts? They eject, you blow up the empty ships. You got spanked, and just proved to the world how big of a noob you are.
Also medium guns on a navy Mega, you deserved to lose it.
Medium guns, you say? 425MM Tech-II, nub. Also, you post with an alt. Post with your main before you speak. I got rolled because I mis-calculated and didn't expect it. I'm not sad I lost the ship. I lost it because of something I did. Oh well. We move on. I was wondering if this was an EXPLOIT or not. That was the purpose of this topic. Like I said, I've never seen that trick before. I also didn't know that if you shoot an empty ship, you don't get Concordoken'd. Like I said, it was new to me. So please, shut the hell up... and die in a fire... because you sir, fail to grasp what my original post was about.
I was a *n00b* in the respect that I've never seen NOR used this trick before. So please. Just... die.
Word of advice: Read the ORIGINAL post before you speak because you sir just proved to the world how big of an idiot you actually are. I pity you but I pity your mother more. 
(ingame)
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:54:00 -
[42]
BTW, this thread is worthless without pics of said girl.
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Kavu
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:57:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Eternal Error
BTW, this thread is worthless without pics of said girl.
be careful what you ask for...
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:14:00 -
[44]
Originally by: SkyFlyer
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U SIR ARE FAIL!!!!!
(coudnt resist that)
From the depths of the thread graveyard.
dOOd joor face!11!11!1oneoneonenone
(couldn't resist)
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Kavu
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:17:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Kavu on 14/08/2008 04:17:30
Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
Originally by: SkyFlyer
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U SIR ARE FAIL!!!!!
(coudnt resist that)
From the depths of the thread graveyard.
dOOd joor face!11!11!1oneoneonenone
(couldn't resist)
that actually doesnt even make sense
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Eleventy 1
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:31:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Eleventy 1 on 14/08/2008 04:31:51
Originally by: Kavu
Edited by: Kavu on 14/08/2008 04:17:30
Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
Originally by: SkyFlyer
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U SIR ARE FAIL!!!!!
(coudnt resist that)
From the depths of the thread graveyard.
dOOd joor face!11!11!1oneoneonenone
(couldn't resist)
that actually doesnt even make sense
Over a year ago - skyflyer made a post.
The 1st reply was 'Dude, your face'.
It was funny.
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Kavu
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Eleventy 1
Originally by: Kavu
Edited by: Kavu on 13/08/2008 22:33:33
just target the empty ships
then no one can get into them....
you cant board a targeted ship,
call up 2 friends
and blam you got a free gila and raven
If you're so damn smart can you PLEASE figure out a way to turn off my blob module?!!? It only activates when you're in my gang...
Originally by: Kavu
Edited by: Kavu on 14/08/2008 04:17:30
Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
Originally by: SkyFlyer
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U SIR ARE FAIL!!!!!
(coudnt resist that)
From the depths of the thread graveyard.
dOOd joor face!11!11!1oneoneonenone
(couldn't resist)
that actually doesnt even make sense
Over a year ago - skyflyer made a post.
The 1st reply was 'Dude, your face'.
It was funny.
right, still hardly appropriate for the situation,
and far from the first post
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Divad Ginleek
Gallente
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:06:00 -
[48]
I'm trying to wrap my head around how this is not an exploit. but i guess if can flipping 1 day old newbs in starter ships is legit. anything goes! welcome to eve, dont fly what you can't afford to lose, etc etc.
Glad i read about that lock = no board trick though, I'll be looking for empty ships to lock and steal now =D.
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Alchemos
Gallente
Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:53:00 -
[49]
If he had targeted the raven he would have been fine. He should have popped the gila (since he can, concord wont come) and then he should have just left while keeping raven targeted. I am sorry he is dumb
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:54:00 -
[50]
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
That is pretty sweet, but I think it would be far more appropriate if the Gila (in this case) remained a legal target despite the fact that the pilot ejected.
Yeah... how the heck do you lose aggro when someone ejects from a ship scramming you? lol
The locking both ships and getting them free is an amazing idea
I think I stole a rigged raven and some other crap from a gaurded offline pos before they remembered that trick
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:02:00 -
[51]
Regarding the "target the ships so they can't board"-tactic, afaik the original owner can always board the ship, targetted or not. Not sure if that applies to corp members as well, but from tests on SiSi I've always managed to board my own ship while targetted, even when others can't - as it's targetted.
But either way it's a good tactic to target the ships to prevent the "switch trick".
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:10:00 -
[52]
Originally by: kublai
Edited by: kublai on 14/08/2008 01:46:06
Now that's creativity, that is one guy who deserves his loot.
PS. It's not an exploit or anywhere near it, you aggress the *pilot* not the ship, you should have sucked less mm'kay.
According to my understanding of the EULA and various guide lines (and me being me i've had to aquaint myself quite a bit with it to avoid...more bans) this isn't even in a grey area, it's so legit you can eat off it.
In fact, I bet several gm's are laughing at your petitions right now going "holy shit that is some wicked ass piracy man, we GOTTA try that during the lunch break!".
The only gray area where it becomes an exploit is if someone (else) hops in the ship the victim is shooting. The victim will then get concorded. I've lost 2 or 3 battle haulers to this :(
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Horas Redwyne
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:43:00 -
[53]
First off you should never use a faction ship... but yeah you know that by now or you knew that the moment two more showed up ;)
It is a simple loop hole because the system sees the gila pilot as a poor person who just lost his ship and is on the way to get a new one to get back at the aggressor. The sad thing is the system as such got used to its limits and kudos to attackers who thought out of the box and made it happen. But my guess is we could possibly see a fix to this loop hole soon as if there are more people using this.
It is just funny how people fell about those wrecks and protecting them. Seems "greed" is just so predictable and you can always count on it :P
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:55:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 03:03:06
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 02:59:25
Originally by: Dura'Lorth
Edited by: Dura''Lorth on 14/08/2008 02:45:07
Concord doesnt attack you if your shooting an empty ship. Do you not understand this? is it that hard for you to grasp the simplest of concepts? They eject, you blow up the empty ships. You got spanked, and just proved to the world how big of a noob you are.
Also medium guns on a navy Mega, you deserved to lose it.
Medium guns, you say? 425MM Tech-II, nub. Also, you post with an alt. Post with your main before you speak. I got rolled because I mis-calculated and didn't expect it. I'm not sad I lost the ship. I lost it because of something I did. Oh well. We move on. I was wondering if this was an EXPLOIT or not. That was the purpose of this topic. Like I said, I've never seen that trick before. I also didn't know that if you shoot an empty ship, you don't get Concordoken'd. Like I said, it was new to me. So please, shut the hell up... and die in a fire... because you sir, fail to grasp what my original post was about.
I was a *n00b* in the respect that I've never seen NOR used this trick before. So please. Just... die.
Word of advice: Read the ORIGINAL post before you speak because you sir just proved to the world how big of an idiot you actually are. I pity you but I pity your mother more.
Check me up ingame, i may be in a starter corp but im hardly a noob. Check how long ive been around, this is my main now, he was a char on 2nd account that ive been training, and is currently sitting at 31 million sp.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:26:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Horas Redwyne
First off you should never use a faction ship... but yeah you know that by now or you knew that the moment two more showed up ;)
It is a simple loop hole because the system sees the gila pilot as a poor person who just lost his ship and is on the way to get a new one to get back at the aggressor. The sad thing is the system as such got used to its limits and kudos to attackers who thought out of the box and made it happen. But my guess is we could possibly see a fix to this loop hole soon as if there are more people using this.
It is just funny how people fell about those wrecks and protecting them. Seems "greed" is just so predictable and you can always count on it :P
Oh it wasn't exactly greed. What's mine is mine and nobody elses. Lol. Take what you can, give nothing back attitude I guess you could say. Anyhow yeah this was a beautiful gank.
And yes I know the risks of flying a faction ship. I lost a CNR to a 20-raven suicide gank on a gate once. Lol.
~Solo
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Horas Redwyne
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:34:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Solomon XI
And yes I know the risks of flying a faction ship. I lost a CNR to a 20-raven suicide gank on a gate once. Lol.
Thats why I sold my faction fitted Paladin. I did feel safer Ratting in 0.0 then flying that ship in high sec.
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ImUrDestiny
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:38:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
His complaint is that he couldn't do anything while the switch was going on, as the aggression timer doesn't apply to pods. That might be a legitimate complaint, although I doubt it would change much since chances are his friends brought the battleship quite close to him to minimize downtime.
Exactly. The timer also doesn't apply to ships that are un-piloted. So I couldn't do anything to defend myself for about 45 seconds.
You could have stayed aligned and warped out when they switched.
Instead you chose to just sit there in your mission fit navy mega and got owned.
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Calvin Pax
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:23:00 -
[58]
One question doe: Were was your GF during this ??
Surely sheĤs in the same corp as you and therefore she also could have engage the red flashy ships.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:40:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ImUrDestiny
You could have stayed aligned and warped out when they switched.
Instead you chose to just sit there in your mission fit navy mega and got owned.
Tried to. Was being bumped to oblivion. 
Originally by: Calvin Pax
One question doe: Were was your GF during this ??
Surely sheĤs in the same corp as you and therefore she also could have engage the red flashy ships.
She was there. Both of our ships were in a mission fit. Lol. Her Domi got rolled as well. 
Was a night of epic fail on both our parts. Lol.
~Solo
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:18:00 -
[60]
This was deemed an exploit by a GM my friend told me about.
He had communications with a GM. He was in a hauler, canflipped a battleship. The battleship engaged the hauler, the hauler pilot ejected and jumped into a Raven (same exact thing) and popped the battleship pilot.
This was said to be an exploit by that GM.
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o0TuNa0o
Idle Miners
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:45:00 -
[61]
Petition it. CCP are cracking down on gankers and ppl who are making money from questionable game mechanics.
I personally thought it was pretty damn sneaky 
But it probably is an exploit.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:45:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 10:45:34
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
This was deemed an exploit by a GM my friend told me about.
He had communications with a GM. He was in a hauler, canflipped a battleship. The battleship engaged the hauler, the hauler pilot ejected and jumped into a Raven (same exact thing) and popped the battleship pilot.
This was said to be an exploit by that GM.
According to GM Tacgnol, this is not considered an exploit. So two different GM's have conflicting views? Interesting... Do the GM's even communicate? Would you happen to have a GM name?
Edit: I did petition this. And was told it was not an exploit. 
~Solo
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UrsaeMajoris
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:56:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
This was deemed an exploit by a GM my friend told me about.
He had communications with a GM. He was in a hauler, canflipped a battleship. The battleship engaged the hauler, the hauler pilot ejected and jumped into a Raven (same exact thing) and popped the battleship pilot.
This was said to be an exploit by that GM.
Ship swapping was considered an exploit for a month or so earlier this year as boarding another player's ship would mask your name in the overview with the name of the ship you boarded e.g. Ibis.
Eventually the glitch was fixed and ship swapping was allowed again.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:01:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 11:04:38
Originally by: UrsaeMajoris
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
This was deemed an exploit by a GM my friend told me about.
He had communications with a GM. He was in a hauler, canflipped a battleship. The battleship engaged the hauler, the hauler pilot ejected and jumped into a Raven (same exact thing) and popped the battleship pilot.
This was said to be an exploit by that GM.
Ship swapping was considered an exploit for a month or so earlier this year as boarding another player's ship would mask your name in the overview with the name of the ship you boarded e.g. Ibis.
Eventually the glitch was fixed and ship swapping was allowed again.
Ola.
I was wondering when my kryptonite would show up in this thread.
~Solo
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Eric Lendall
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:30:00 -
[65]
I applaud the mission gankers on their unique and creative use of legal in-game mechanics to pop your navy mega. +1 to them.
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:59:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Eric Lendall
I applaud the mission gankers on their unique and creative use of legal in-game mechanics to pop your navy mega. +1 to them.
Given that scenario, I don't think the gankers were clever, only ballsy. Had the OP actually understood game mechanics, he could have popped the gila and prevented the Raven from attacking by targeting it.
It worked out in the gankers' favor because the OP was ignorant to certain game mechanics.
Here are some confirmed concepts, use them to decide for yourself:
- If you can legally shoot someone, you can also legally shoot their stuff. This includes, but is not limited to, drones, jet-cans, and un-piloted ships.
- Targeting an un-piloted ship will keep everyone BUT THE OWNER from hopping in it.
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Galen Naranek
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:09:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Gruxella
The only gray area where it becomes an exploit is if someone (else) hops in the ship the victim is shooting. The victim will then get concorded. I've lost 2 or 3 battle haulers to this :(
So on the one hand, it IS possible to jump into a ship being shot at (i.e. targeted) and on the other hand it is NOT possible? If not possible, how could this ever have been an exploit? This is one of the things I just love/hate about EVE - the total lack of accessible documentation. The only way to learn some of the tough lessons is to either experience them yourself, or get lucky and read about someone else's hard times.
To the OP, thanks for telling the story - I hope it will help me deal with such a situation if it ever occurs! (Off to Sisi to do some testing...)
As always, it's funny to read all the "LOLZ U FAIL NOOB" responses from people who probably learned this the same way.
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:35:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Gruxella on 14/08/2008 18:37:06
Originally by: Galen Naranek
So on the one hand, it IS possible to jump into a ship being shot at (i.e. targeted) and on the other hand it is NOT possible? If not possible, how could this ever have been an exploit? This is one of the things I just love/hate about EVE - the total lack of accessible documentation. The only way to learn some of the tough lessons is to either experience them yourself, or get lucky and read about someone else's hard times.
To the OP, thanks for telling the story - I hope it will help me deal with such a situation if it ever occurs! (Off to Sisi to do some testing...)
As always, it's funny to read all the "LOLZ U FAIL NOOB" responses from people who probably learned this the same way.
Yes Galen it's very interesting. It's probably been about a year since I had this happen to me.
On two instances that I recall I was shooting a covetor in my itty5 and the pilot ejected. Another pilot hopped in (I'm still shooting here...) and I was concorded. I learned later that this was an exploit
So there is (or was) something happening with targeting ships and locking people out of them. I can't be bothered to test it and see exactly what the mechanic is, but yes it is (or was) possible.
edit: If you're not following my replies what I type may be confusing. In short: what happened to the OP is not an exploit. However, if someone had hopped into that Gila it would have been.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.15 08:08:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Solomon XI
So my question -- and the part I think is a possible exploit -- is the fact he ejected to avoid combat. I couldn't do **anything** during that time.
You could eject and steal his Gila. :)
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.15 08:11:00 -
[70]
I dont know if this has been said before, but if you attempted another warp within the gila's bubble he should have been re-aggressed to you, and therefore fair-blinky-game.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.15 09:04:00 -
[71]
a gila is a faction cruiser. It's not a dictor :)
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Zerinder
Amarr
Havoc n Kaos
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Posted - 2008.08.15 10:04:00 -
[72]
Learn something new about this game every day, thanks people.
To the op, unlucky mate.
Regards
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sliver 0xD
exiles.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:38:00 -
[73]
Edited by: sliver 0xD on 15/08/2008 12:39:36
Originally by: Solomon XI
So was this an exploit? Or a clever gank? Using a Gila to aggro, having buddies come in, swapping ships (during which time I *cannot* engage) and whatnot? Just looking for some thoughts. So I lost a True Sansha Navy Issue Mega. Big deal.
Just looking for your thoughts.
YES 100% exploit. ITS BOARDING SHIPS LEFT IN SPACE. u get banned for that!
this becouse this trick also can be done by automation with a current banneble exploit in game.
put up a pos. drop the 3 ships in there. raven, gila, basil. then jet them.
they are now all under corp tag. get the gila to find a target.
target agresses on gila.
warp in the rest :)
becouse all 3 ships are under 1 corp tag they cal all 3 join in the fight.
this is exploit of 2 months ago. and read this quick. my last message explaining the original exploit got removed verry quick :) and this is 100% exploit. do not try it u will get into problems
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:37:00 -
[74]
Pro tips:
Don't Faction fit your mission ships,
exit mission if you get probed out and do something else (who cares if someone bottomfeeds some salvage off you? I mean rly),
get some names of the people who are bothering you and either Dec em or hire some reliable mercs to annoy them,
Regardless, I hope it's lesson learned.
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AizenSousuke
Gallente
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:19:00 -
[75]
Solomon! Loosing ships with cath I see? lol Hows things going on with you, bud? Why did you guys leave BSN? Aside from that painful loss, I mean..
You know, your bio is.. disturbing... You sly dog..
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 21:12:00 -
[76]
I said it once -- I'll say it again. This is not the first faction-fit ship I've lost. I know the risks when I fly them but they are oh so nice to fly. This wasn't really a *lesson learned* ... because frankly I knew the risks. ;)
~Solo
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.15 21:27:00 -
[77]
I know this was classed as an exploit a few months back. I saw no news item retracting that statement, so - petition to escalate and reference the exploit news item to the GM's who seem to have the attention span of goldfish' 
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UrsaeMajoris
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Posted - 2008.08.16 03:35:00 -
[78]
Originally by: ApaKaka
I know this was classed as an exploit a few months back. I saw no news item retracting that statement, so - petition to escalate and reference the exploit news item to the GM's who seem to have the attention span of goldfish'
Again, this was an exploit as boarding other ships in space would mask your name. This 'overview bug' was fixed in build 53162 and as of that patch, this is no longer considered an exploit.
Yes there was no official news item regarding this other than just the usual "Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all." - though it does not matter as the issue that led to these "tactics" being classed an exploit have been fixed.
Petition as much as you like for clarification but you will be told the same thing and you will not get reimbursement.
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BruisedMoon
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Posted - 2008.08.16 06:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Ok, before I start, I want to say for the record this is not a whine post.
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out. Shortly there-after, said prober left and a Gila appeared and began to salvage and loot our wrecks. Being that I was in a salvager, I went back to the station and undocked in my Megathron Navy Issue (was in a mission fit, wasn't expecting what happened) and went to the mission area. Upon engaging said Gila, I was warp-scrambled and webbed (I know I was in deep crap now).
Two buddies came into the mission. A Basilisk and a Raven. However neither one of those guys had aggro. Only the Gila pilot. So here I am webbed, warp-scrambled, and staring Death in the eyes. I know what's coming. I knew it from the second that warp-scrambler went on me. The Gila pilot EJECTS as does the pilot from the Raven. Now I can no longer shoot the Gila OR the Raven OR the pod or I risk Concord action. So all I can do is wait. I try to warp out because there was a temporary pause in the warp scrambling but said Basilisk was a nano Basilisk and decided to bump me. Hehe. Clever, eh? Anyhow the original pilot I aggressed (Gila) now pops into said Raven and the Raven becomes bliny red. The Basilisk starts to rep the Raven from my assault and then also goes blinky red. I attempt to engage the Basilisk and the Raven tracking disrupts me.
I died. A painful death. My backup (Dominix) also died. =(
So was this an exploit? Or a clever gank? Using a Gila to aggro, having buddies come in, swapping ships (during which time I *cannot* engage) and whatnot? Just looking for some thoughts. So I lost a True Sansha Navy Issue Mega. Big deal.
Just looking for your thoughts.
Damn that was ninja crafty!
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 08:21:00 -
[80]
Like I said, I petitioned this as a possible exploit but was told it wasn't. I never asked for my ship back -- I gave up on that about five months ago.
It was definitely a new gank-method to me and my girl. We'd never seen nor ever used such a tactic and we've been known to do mission ganks. So ignorance is bliss sometimes. Haha.
Again though, was an awesome gank.
~Solo
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Zansin
Minmatar
Malum Crusis
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Posted - 2008.08.16 09:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out.
thats what she said.
i dont think you have a girl, enjoy having two accounts
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:12:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Zansin
Originally by: Solomon XI
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out.
thats what she said.
i dont think you have a girl, enjoy having two accounts
Trust me I do. ;)
I have enough people available to verify this.
Go get laid.
~Solo
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Galvatine
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:43:00 -
[83]
The second that they ejected i would have targeted and podded both of them for the sheer barefaced cheek of it.
At the point of eject, it was obvious what they were going to do and obvious you were going to die. May as well pod them for it
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.08.16 12:00:00 -
[84]
but whilst they was ****ing around swaping ships they couldnt do any damage ether right? so at that point you should of just left? (but i assume got bumped?)
well targeting the ships would have helped you, sneeky tactic indeed.
Neotheo
Dark Materials
Linkage
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.08.16 12:01:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Zerinder
Learn something new about this game every day, thanks people.
To the op, unlucky mate.
Regards
yher this ;)
Neotheo
Dark Materials
Linkage
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catherda
Gallente
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 17:42:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Zansin
Originally by: Solomon XI
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out.
thats what she said.
i dont think you have a girl, enjoy having two accounts
word from solomons girlfriend:
hmmm i wonder how is it that i am an alt when one i am a year older than he is. hmmm maybe you need to check employment history, The corp. i been in don't take alts your welcome to check with the ceos on this. I m all female and proud of it just be cause you don't know what a female is doesn't mean females don't exist.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:55:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Zansin
Originally by: Solomon XI
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out.
thats what she said.
i dont think you have a girl, enjoy having two accounts
You look bitter
Originally by: catherda
I m all female and proud of it just be cause you don't know what a female is doesn't mean females don't exist.
confirming
Your wrong Zas, i know both of them
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.17 02:21:00 -
[88]
well, at least we now know how to avoid it
one question i have though, is can you board a ship in space (assuming it isnt locked onto or anything) but can you board a ship without getting aggro? or is it still the same as stealing from someone?
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.17 05:16:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 13/08/2008 23:23:58
During the ship swap, they were *no threat to me*. That's the reasoning, apparently. Even though I was aggro'd.
Still in discussions with a GM...
It's not that you were aggro'd to the Gila. it is the pilot who was allowed to shoot you.
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Freyya
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:23:00 -
[90]
There's absolutely nothing wrong with flying your (faction) faction fit BS into a mission. As long as you keep it mostly pvp fit that is.. omni tank and web at least. If it can handle pvp it can handle a mission just as well. Also keep a friend close that can provide you with cans of boostercharges to keep your rep etc. going..if you just keep tanking them and perhaps damage them for what it's worth they'll call it a loss and bug off. Easy enough i'd say.
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It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:45:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Solomon XI
The Gila pilot EJECTS as does the pilot from the Raven. Now I can no longer shoot the Gila OR the Raven OR the pod or I risk Concord action.
Can you clarify here? If you got a CONCORD warning trying to shoot the ejected Gila this is a bug, and if by sheer luck it left server side evidence you may have some ground to ask for reimbursement.
If you only thought that you could not shoot it, well, take it as an expensive lesson in aggression mechanics.
I had numerous ships ejected by war targets on me and when no one close could fly those they where destroyed without any issues.
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catherda
Gallente
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 16:41:00 -
[92]
depends where you are. If in empire if you aggro a pod it is considera concord offense. Boarding any ship is easily done if it is empty. no matter who it is. depending on the case it is considered stealing but lets say i asked you to jump in my ship to check my fittings and etc that is allowed.
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.17 16:57:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Eternal Error
Pretty clever on their part, and really dumb on yours. If in any doubt, just petition it -- that will get you a better response than anything here.
In the meantime, you fail.
Yep. That pretty much explains it. I was expecting to engage a Gila and only a Gila. Wasn't expecting this at all.
And said Gila was orbiting me with a MWD. My tracking was good. But not THAT good. Lol.
Was fail on my part for bringing out the Mega. I know this.
You could of just went, hey mission loot isn't worth risking my 400mil + ship.
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Ehronn
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:42:00 -
[94]
stupid question hehe
what about using this to avoid fight? lets say your getting pwned and you're scrambled.
couldn't you eject which now the aggressor has to turn off scram and offensive mods or get concorded. now reboard and warp off if you had the ship aligned or whatnot before attempting.
curious.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Session9
Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:17:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ehronn
stupid question hehe
what about using this to avoid fight? lets say your getting pwned and you're scrambled.
couldn't you eject which now the aggressor has to turn off scram and offensive mods or get concorded. now reboard and warp off if you had the ship aligned or whatnot before attempting.
curious.
That's not quite how it works.
I start shooting you..you eject. I can still blow the ship up because it still belongs to you. You can re-board the ship if you want. But I don't have to stop shooting it. (ps: this is how you can extend aggro almost indefinately..think about what *other* things a pilot might own that you can shoot while he's not present...)
Now...while I have your ship scrambled, nobody else can board it but you. (getting rid of the 'I got concorded exploit' that was out there for a while) So I can choose to keep it locked (for eject ransoms) and wait for a pilot.
So no..you're doing it wrong. I figured that the university would know and teach rules of aggression, methods of saving your hide, and actually have it correct. Instead of asking here like a nub.
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Ehronn
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:48:00 -
[96]
they do :) i was just looking for some abuse way to shake agro :) metagaming ftw hehe
I probably should drop the tag :P been around a bit long anyhow
was just curious about abusing eject like abusing insta warps to grief the griefers :)
since the OP said that when the guy ejected he couldnt fire on the gila or he'd get concorded. So if thats the case If I eject you cannot keep the ship scram'd or you get concorded if the OP was telling truth
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Hunters Imperiale
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.17 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Solomon XI
Ok, before I start, I want to say for the record this is not a whine post.
Last night while running a Level-4 mission, both my girl and I were probed out. Shortly there-after, said prober left and a Gila appeared and began to salvage and loot our wrecks. Being that I was in a salvager, I went back to the station and undocked in my Megathron Navy Issue (was in a mission fit, wasn't expecting what happened) and went to the mission area. Upon engaging said Gila, I was warp-scrambled and webbed (I know I was in deep crap now).
Two buddies came into the mission. A Basilisk and a Raven. However neither one of those guys had aggro. Only the Gila pilot. So here I am webbed, warp-scrambled, and staring Death in the eyes. I know what's coming. I knew it from the second that warp-scrambler went on me. The Gila pilot EJECTS as does the pilot from the Raven. Now I can no longer shoot the Gila OR the Raven OR the pod or I risk Concord action. So all I can do is wait. I try to warp out because there was a temporary pause in the warp scrambling but said Basilisk was a nano Basilisk and decided to bump me. Hehe. Clever, eh? Anyhow the original pilot I aggressed (Gila) now pops into said Raven and the Raven becomes bliny red. The Basilisk starts to rep the Raven from my assault and then also goes blinky red. I attempt to engage the Basilisk and the Raven tracking disrupts me.
I died. A painful death. My backup (Dominix) also died. =(
So was this an exploit? Or a clever gank? Using a Gila to aggro, having buddies come in, swapping ships (during which time I *cannot* engage) and whatnot? Just looking for some thoughts. So I lost a True Sansha Navy Issue Mega. Big deal.
Just looking for your thoughts.
Sounds completely fair to me.
I used to use that trick to pop hulks in empire with Ogdru Jahad.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.08.18 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ehronn
stupid question hehe
what about using this to avoid fight? lets say your getting pwned and you're scrambled.
couldn't you eject which now the aggressor has to turn off scram and offensive mods or get concorded. now reboard and warp off if you had the ship aligned or whatnot before attempting.
curious.
He should have been able to shoot the ejected Gila (that the logistics could have kept alive anyway). The CONCORD stuff is likely mis comprehension of game mechanics on the OP part.
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sliver 0xD
exiles.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.08.19 10:17:00 -
[99]
Edited by: sliver 0xD on 19/08/2008 10:18:48
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 14/08/2008 10:45:34
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
This was deemed an exploit by a GM my friend told me about.
He had communications with a GM. He was in a hauler, canflipped a battleship. The battleship engaged the hauler, the hauler pilot ejected and jumped into a Raven (same exact thing) and popped the battleship pilot.
This was said to be an exploit by that GM.
According to GM Tacgnol, this is not considered an exploit. So two different GM's have conflicting views? Interesting... Do the GM's even communicate? Would you happen to have a GM name?
Edit: I did petition this. And was told it was not an exploit.
next time convo me ingame if u have problems with a petition. i can help translate gm messages and help you form a direct and stable return message.
basicly the first step gm's is telling you there is nothing they can do.
honestly this makes the gm look like a idiot but it works.
you accept the gm's holy word and forget it. cleans up 90% of the que :)
what you should have done is ask for a gm2.
i always ask for gm2 when the first gm shows lack of knowlage.
and the news item about the can flip board ship trick was in the news. but they didnt want to tell the world. so it was kinda cryptic and not clear what clasified under the exploit.
this clearly was the same exploit. but instead of ship it was the player that changed. could have been direct effect of the patch even.
anyway what you can do is make a new petition start it again.
gm will directly tell you that hes sorry bla bla bla.
gm will also tel you that ship loss of 2 weeks ago is not posible.
what you can tell the gm directly is that petitions sometimes take longer then 2 months so it is posible.
and the original petition was handled badly and incored.
if you keep whineing and whineing gm's will give up becouse they fialed at the first petition witch was handled the wrong way.
then you get your ship back with less fitting and i think you should be happy with that.
ps. : you could get a ban warning for posting gm's petition returns.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:07:00 -
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I didn't copy anything directly from the petition. I merely quoted a small portion of the petition, in my own words, by an anonymous GM. Ban isn't likely. Rules are meant to be bent, not broken. 
Really though, from what I've picked up, it was a lack of understanding as far as that particular game-mechanic worked. Was an expensive lesson but well worth it. |
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Posted - 2008.08.20 09:27:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Rules are meant to be bent, not broken.
And there it is. Out of the mouth of the OP.
That's what they did, they bent a rule. Kudos i say. And thanks also to the OP for highlighting this tactic. |
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