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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:57:00 -
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I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:58:00 -
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owned
and deserved.
hail the real Chribba!
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton owned
and deserved.
hail the real Chribba!
I fail to seee how I was 'owned' but thanks for your input.
EVECitizen
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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harsh
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:02:00 -
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dunno, your iskies are gone though.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: The Herrick Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?
EVECitizen
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton dunno, your iskies are gone though.
I have plenty more :)
EVECitizen
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:05:00 -
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You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind. _
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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I don't remember where it's written, but I'm pretty sure that, specifically using your player name to impersonate another player (IE CHR1BBA instead of CHRIBBA) is against the EULA (or maybe it's the TOS? I honestly don't remember). I remember a few other people who got the same treatment. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |

sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
he says he never todl them he was chribba which means he was'nt impersoanting anyone then again I am not sure I believe him that he never tried to actual claim to be him.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rules Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 -
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that and we have a corp in our alliance that has an eight "8" rather than a "B"
I didn't notice until I saw a kill on our killboard with one of their members 
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 -
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I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.
I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...
Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC? -=^=-
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:11:11 Is CCP's rules....
so, yeah....
and yeah, is easy to accidentally impersonate another,
my RL name is very similar to a recent-new-hollywood celebrity name.....
and BOOM ... tons of people trying to add me to facebook....
and I dont think she have facebook >.<
....
so yeah, if I do something say:
please sent me $$$$ for my tour fund/whatever,
and people actually send money...
the one who actually is a star can probley (or somebody else... probley the manager) for misusing her fame...
thats bad =P even if I dont say I am not her....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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I do applaud you for reading the EULA at least, considering 99% of the forum posters shove their foot in their mouth when the answer they needed is right on the end user agreement.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.
I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...
Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC?
I have petitioned already on clarification of this very point.
EVECitizen
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 -
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That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.
If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.
Any GM's care to clarify in general here?
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
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Truk Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Be happy that CCP didn't perma-ban your account.
Personally, I think it is okay to scam others as long as it only involves in game mechanics, in game items and the scam stays in game. Basically, players tricking or fooling other players.
It is interesting how CCP will let some scams carry on over and over that do hurt game play yet they will swing the ban stick fast and hard at some scams that seem less or equally harmful.
Okay, back to playing the game.
Toodles 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Identity theft is a crime. You should have been banned.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:14:08
Originally by: Nexa Necis That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.
If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.
Any GM's care to clarify in general here?
he volunteers Eve... cant remember name.. the Server/download for stuff for eve thing....
he keeps that service running for people.. for free... (which costs him RL money..)
Edit: and as for name changes, it is only when you do something screwy with the names where it gets into bad ettiqute/legality issues....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 13/08/2008 22:15:01 Actually, this has happened before.
One of the folks I know in game ran an in game **** site for a while, accessed gained for an isk fee (no joke). A scammer set up a character with a very similar name to try and scam some payments, and it worked.
The scam was petitioned by my friend, and the scammer had his name changed.
To the best of my knowledge, the in game **** site has been inactive for a while now (friend is busy with other stuff).
Edit: **** is a 4 letter word that begins with "p"
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joey Meow on 13/08/2008 22:15:41
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
How was your name spelled?
Edit:
I am fairly certain that ANYONE who was ever interested in making a purchase on EVE Online forums that can not go through the "regular" channels, like contracts, for example, and requires some degree of trust has heard of Chribba. Whether they have taken a chance and did not use him, is a different story.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)
EVECitizen
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
How was your name spelled?
Name was spelled CHRI8BA.
EVECitizen
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)
EVECitizen
Key being: heard of....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Name was spelled CHRI8BA.EVECitizen
This is close enough to get hit with this:
Originally by: Forum Rules Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
So, yea, the GM decision was correct. Your name was close enough to imply you are Chribba, and thus circumvent the normal functioning of the game and forum. |
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