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F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:06:00 - [61] I'm reminded of the, "I'm your CEO's alt" scams. I don't know why, I just am. Maybe it's the classic: Scammer: "I'm your CEO's alt, please loan me 1 billion ISK so I can do [whatever], and I'll pay you back tomorrow when I can access the corp's wallet." Player: "Um, I AM an alt of the CEO, and I'm pretty sure I'm not you, because I didn't type what you just did." Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :) FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though. If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :) Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam. People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be. Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move. If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too. That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken. BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule.
EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:15:00 - [63] Originally by: Richard Angevian Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :) FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though. If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :) Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam. People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be. Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move. If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too. That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken. BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule. Well i wasn't going to name the victim as I thought he took it on the chin like a man. He obviously didn't and ran crying to CCP. So here's a tip Last King......DO YOUR RESEARCH. EVECitizen

GM Krymus	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:17:00 - [64] To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed. Regards, GM Krymus

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:18:00 - [65] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 13/08/2008 23:18:45 Originally by: Richard Angevian Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move. Given that this has been their policy since the beginning of EVE, I don't think we're in any harm of the world ending here. Edit: Keep up the good work GM Krymus =)
EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:22:00 - [66] Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN
Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:23:00 - [67] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:24:00 - [68] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 - [69] you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it. Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years. When did I say it was my decision. I'm only expressing my point of view. EVECitizen

EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Chribba you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it. Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok. Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community. EVECitizen
Tassadar Beta Amarr BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 - [72] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA! EVECitizen I know what I'd like to violate
EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay. As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently? EVECitizen

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [74] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community. EVECitizen I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [75] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears I don't think there should be that level of protection for players. EVECITIZEN There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay. As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently? EVECitizen Because impersonating a character based on a similar name or claiming to be an alt of them is an out-of-game method. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [76] Originally by: Tassadar Beta Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA! EVECitizen I know what I'd like to violate Don't be shy what would you like to violate? EVECitizen
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:33:00 - [77] so if a bunch of characters get their names changes to "EVECitizen#######" would they not technically be impersonating each other?? like if one becomes a well-known trader, the others with names only different by a few numbers could scam his customers... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
EVECitizen19821743	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:35:00 - [78] Edited by: EVECitizen19821743 on 13/08/2008 23:34:51 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community. EVECitizen I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others. Haha leech off you. I couldn't think of anything more boring than facilitating trades for other people. I wasn't doing it for the reputation :) EVECitizen
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [79] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall. Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba. Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is: 'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be' Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale. Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him. I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back. EVECitizen okay, if you are playing that card... .... in your case is different, since you didnt really work for the scam =P CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago) you just rode on another person's reputation.... hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming. Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate' EVECitizen second time you admitted to impersonating him in this thread and you still try to justify it no sale Adapat or Die Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [80] Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed. Regards, GM Krymus What about parodies? For example, Ginger Magician and Ginger Maggotician. Look up the portraits, it's quite well done. Someone obviously got ganked.

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [81] I would like to remind you youngsters that impersonating other players (and NPCs) has been against the rules since the dawn of the game. So please none of that "EVE is turning care bear" crap. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:37:00 - [82] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently? Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value. Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value. If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself. Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently? Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value. Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value. If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself. Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it. WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN? Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Tortun Nahme WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN? Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back Back??? I never left. Maybe we have just been visiting different sub-forums.
Lillian D'Florite	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain... Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain?
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Danton Marcellus If you don't know Chribba well enough to know what corporation and alliance he is in you have no business using him as a middleman, wth kind of pansyassing is this coming here crying about you not knowing whom you gave your stuff? to be fair, is the OP crying about how GM took his iskies away... oh, and yeah, enough of the tough talk... EULA rules. shrugs we were just explaining to the OP why his iskies got taken away... that is all. (to reiterate: .. impersonating others is bad mmkay? =P) Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:54:00 - [87] Originally by: Lillian D'Florite Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain... Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain? Amen!
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 - [88] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 23:55:33 Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Lillian D'Florite Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain... Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain? Amen! I swear, at this rate Chribba will become the next Leeroy Jerkins...(Fame wise of course..) Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Nexa Necis According to the rules, you can't even do it in jest. Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account. I have someone that has done this for months now. I had not petitioned it because I had no clue it was against the rules. Yaeh, it has to be against the rules really. Problem is that if they allow impersionation, you will get people creating near identical names and then saying a bunch of nasty stuff in local with the idea of damaging the reputation of the real player. I don't think it's scamming that CCP are worried about - it's kind of "identity theft" to ruin someone's reputation. Happened to me on Team Fortress one time (of all places). A guy took my name and started ranting a bunch of racism on various servers. Caused a lot of hostility for a while - until I just gave up and changed my name.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:57:00 - [90] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 14/08/2008 00:00:37 Originally by: Mika Meroko Originally by: Danton Marcellus If you don't know Chribba well enough to know what corporation and alliance he is in you have no business using him as a middleman, wth kind of pansyassing is this coming here crying about you not knowing whom you gave your stuff? to be fair, is the OP crying about how GM took his iskies away... oh, and yeah, enough of the tough talk... EULA rules. shrugs we were just explaining to the OP why his iskies got taken away... that is all. (to reiterate: .. impersonating others is bad mmkay? =P) Knocking in the heads of the idiots giving him money in the first place would be dealing with the problem at its root. Just start a character called Chrippa and an alliance called Outerland Empire and these dimwits will still think your rep is solid. Do I condone scamming? No. Do I get tired of hearing people complaining about this that and the other dealing with scamming. Hell yes, can't stand these kind of people and their marks, so please make it a rule to only post about scamming in Crime & Punishment. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As



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