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Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:59:00 - [91] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate' I just wasted ten minutes of my life reading this thread, because I thought you might have a point regarding "impersonation." WELL WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? I hope you never see your isk again.
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries Ultionis Quietus	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:04:00 - [92] Of all the names you could have picked you picked one that offers mothership ship transactions and then proceeded to perform a scam involving a mothership. You were impersonating cut and dry. What I find funny is now you are placing all these warnings about it after you were caught and the ISK was seized.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:09:00 - [93] Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special.
Lillian D'Florite	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:19:00 - [94] Originally by: heheheh Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special. /me wonders if anyone would post on forum if Eve-files goes down.... and whos name people will call?
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:26:00 - [95] Ummmmm... duh, using a similar name incriminates you as trying to impersonate him. doesn't matter what you said or did. you even said it yourself... Quote: use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA Last I checked, attempting to be similar is trying to impersonate. I'm willing to bet the character was even similar looking. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:28:00 - [96] Originally by: heheheh Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special. You're missing the point. What about if someone creates a character that looks almost identical to your name, and then starts being abusive, or racist, or whatever? I have been on the receiving end of this trick. The scamming part isn't a big deal - CCP don't care about scamming, but impersonation can be abused in an entirely different way. If you allow impersonation, you will get people deliberately impersonating to trash someone's reputation.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:30:00 - [97] My only beef with the whole rule of it would be that it's put under the Forum rules section and not in the actual game section that the OP was linked to by the original GM. If the person never came to the forums or clicked the forum rules tab, then they would have no idea. Not that ignorance of the rules is an excuse, but they should be in the appropriate spot really.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:46:00 - [98] OP should get his ISK back and name the sucker who fell for it, just so we can laugh. Don't really care about the impersonation issue either way, I just want cheap lolz.
SpaceSavage Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:51:00 - [99] ROFL this is ****ing bullshit once again from CCP. _______________
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.14 01:15:00 - [100] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/08/2008 01:24:18 Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed. Regards, GM Krymus +1 to the stance of CCP is bullshitting. Nice policy U-turn change on the "I'm your CEO's alt" scam there. A friend (Yes a real friend not me) lost about 400 mill to this scam. Same race and look as the CEO. Around the same age and stuck the corp logo and policy info in his bio. Basicly all his savings he'd been building up over around 2 1/2 months at the time. (yes I know some of you can earn that in 10 seconds using 20 accounts combined on your Geforce 10 gazillion multimonitor nasa computer) He went to help channel and got laughed at fair enough, but also some pretty uncalled for nasty abuse from certain people at the time too. I told him to petition and he got nothing back. You can probably add another couple of dozen other unsung cases to this, This was around 18 months ago, so I don't know whats changed since then. I gave him 100 mill but it wasn't much recompance at the time. The reason this scam worked so well on him is cause the guy convoed me at first, I said I couldn't give him anything cause I was broke (I was), was slightly suspicious but he was only after 5-10 mill from me. I told my friend that the ceo's alt appears to be chattin to me says he wants isk, and he said I'll go talk to him. The fact I said it was added security and strength to the scammer. Then he said to me later that he gave him 400 million isk. I headbutted the desk. It was my 2nd most horrible moment of eve, made worse by the treatment of the people in the help channel. Thats why I gave him 100 mill, I had to sell stuff to make it up at the time but it was my fault for the way I saw it. Old story, and everyone said that's Eve at the time which is fine, cold and harsh n all, now apparently CCP are saying they protect people from it? Rubbish. Why should people be protected from impersonation, how is it not the same as contract scams when people miss one letter or one claus? I think we should all learn to accept the responsibility of our own actions ingame as thats how it's always supposed to have been.

GateScout	Posted - 2008.08.14 01:38:00 - [101] Edited by: GateScout on 14/08/2008 01:42:21 Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. You colossal **ing moron. This is a business**not your personal playground. CCP will, like any business owner, protect their current and future revenue. If douche nozzles like yourself don't like it, go code up your own game. I'm am continually amazed at the idiots in this game....
Joey Meow MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2008.08.14 01:45:00 - [102] Originally by: SpaceSavage ROFL this is ****ing bullshit once again from CCP. Again, as others pointed out above: Impersonation Rule has been in game for years now, shortly in 2004 they have introduced this!!!! So, this is NOT NEW, it is just that some idiots come into the game, and do not read the rules and regulations, with which, mind you, most of our characters have grown up. So, again, the rule has been on the books for at least 4 years, as far as I know - it HAS NEVER CHANGED, THIS IS NOT NEW!!!!
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 02:36:00 - [103] Originally by: Panzerr Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail. you're either very confused, very dimwitted, or very naive, but either way, you're very wrong. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.14 02:50:00 - [104] what about my alt, Plankton's Chainsaw?
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.14 03:26:00 - [105] OP may have a point, why is is ok to misrepresent an item or contract but it is not ok to misrepresent yourself? Is impersonating a old friend of an alliance in order to gain access and intel/items an exploit? What about impersonating a Goonswarm recruiter as Goonfleet memebers love to do? I would hate for all of the great GS scams that give me such rofls to be reversed. I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions. More clarification and the differences between my examples and the OP's case please? -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.08.14 03:53:00 - [106] Originally by: Vaal Erit OP may have a point, why is is ok to misrepresent an item or contract but it is not ok to misrepresent yourself? Is impersonating a old friend of an alliance in order to gain access and intel/items an exploit? What about impersonating a Goonswarm recruiter as Goonfleet memebers love to do? I would hate for all of the great GS scams that give me such rofls to be reversed. I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions. More clarification and the differences between my examples and the OP's case please? not to be mean... but: if you cant tell the difference btwn an inanimate object (an item) and a person.... you should get your head checked... theres a BIG difference trying to repackage an item (Refund/return something at a store thats obviously broken) vs trying to use another person's reputation (such as using another person's credit card...) the former isnt going to get you arrested.... (now, before you say, dont bring in RL examples.. keep in mind CCP is the law here. and EULA says no no.) yes, you can fake stuff and things, even people... but the moment you TAKE on someone's identity... is not very rosy....CCP doesnt like that... and now: to deal with your examples: ----- Impersonating a old friend:... thats the same issue as this one, except that if you are doing that, you are probley not gonna pick a friend whos as visable and trusted as Chribba... and that hes your friend and you could probley get away with it without your cover being blown..<--key they key there is: you are MORE likely to get away with it unnoticed... but still against the EULA...but no body knows if your cover is not blown.... (the OP picked Chribba... yah... enough said.... if OP picked someone else whos less visible.. he might get away with it...and yeah, if it werent for Chribba, he probley wouldnt be able to scam...but yeah the issue is: OP picked someone very visible and exploited Chribba's reputation (ID theft in a sense)....) the difference in that: OP got CAUGHT doing this, using another person's ID and reputation for his gain.... and breaking EULA... if you pretending to be your friend.. you are likely to get away with it if old friend doesnt play anymore and that you know how your friend acts.... people might just believe you are your friend. ---- Goonswarm recruiter: well, this case is different in that, errrm, is more of a title.... not a person per-say... I could say I am an amateur gynotologist and yeah.... not gonna be hassaled by people... I am not impersonating someone by using the title. hence the goon scams doesnt touch the EULA..... since well, they are not using another person's ID.... they are using their OWN titles.... (if they are an goon and say they are an recruiter for the goon.... is merely a title...) the difference here is: Chribba is a guy (?... well, pictures of a guy) while Goonswarm recruiter is a title... and titles are hard to be owned by someone... while identities are attached to people more so... ---- Vaal, and you are right.... the spy activities that involves impersonating friend of alliance is not legit... but the thing is, PROVING it is a problem... like I said... OP picked a very bad person to impersonate... I mean, if someone make a char named "Mika Meruko" and scammed someone, yeah.... 1st, theres no reputation which can be benefited from... and 2nd... yeah I dont think the scam would succeed... Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.14 04:31:00 - [107] It should be easy to see why creating another character with a name similar might be an exploit of certain mechanics. But, I don't get why me going "Oh, I am Chribba" is against the rules if someone believed me. It's no different than any other scam where you lie and don't use any exploit. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Wynona Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.14 04:42:00 - [108] It just keeps getting warmer and cuddlier in here. That's some awesome reacharound the victim got from CCP, I'll bet he's happier than a sissy in boys town right now.
ImRedYoureDead Seventh Nation Logistics	Posted - 2008.08.14 04:43:00 - [109] With any large money transaction, whether it be real life or in game, You definately wanna make sure whatevers going on is legit. Whether it was against the EULA or not the guy who got scammed obviously didn't do his homework. I'm sure now, yes, he probably will do some checking up before risking such a large amount of ISK to scammers and thats good, but he should have been like that before. It always takes a major disaster before anyone actually decides to take preventative measures.... This is wrong.... Just do your damn research and prevent the disaster before it happens not afterwards.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.14 04:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Mika Meroko I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions. Depends on how you do it. If you pretend to be someone, then it is not legit. If you pretend to be something, then it is. You are welcome to pretend to be an independant player seaking to help build the alliance, when you are really an alt spy trying to tear them down. You are not allowed to claim to be the alt of one of their members, or otherwise assume the identity of another player. Same goes for recruiting scams, a recruiter is a something not a someone. The only something that you are not allowed to impersonate is an official representive of CCP, be that Dev, GM, ISD, etc.

nutbar Caldari Flair Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 05:00:00 - [111] I think what happened should be perfectly "legal" in EVE. Even if there is some impersonation rule that's been in effect since 2004, lets be honest - how far does this go. All those CNR scams you see which are really just normal Ravens... people are making Ravens impersonate CNRs - should those who fall victim to those scams be allowed to petition them and win? Even if you said you were Chribba (and used the proper spelling), it should be the players responsibility to double check for themselves. Nobody MADE them give the isk out. What if the person make a spelling error when handing out the ISK? Could they petition for it back? I doubt CCP would say "oh, well yes you gave it to the wrong person by accident so we'll just give it back to you...". If someone gave you $20 and then came back with the cops and said "oh, I thought you were someone else; give me my $20 back", how would the cops proceed? Even if there were financial records to show that person gave the money, how do they know that they should have any right to take it back? Simply put - if CCP doesn't outright ban all scams, then they can't start picking what scams are and aren't legal (so long as they aren't exploits of the game mechanics of course). You simply used characters that resemble other characters - I see nothing wrong with that... I bet there are TONS of other players in EVE who are doing the same thing - only difference is they might not have pulled off a scam of the same magnitude. Only reason you are getting so much attention is the isk involved most likely, and I think the GM made the wrong decision, and any bs that other CCP officials may give you saying you still violated the EULA I think should be re-examined. As well, if the EULA truly marks this type of scam as an EULA violation, there should be a whoooooole lot of petitions started by all sorts of people claiming similar EULA violations for scams they fell victim to (and they should be awarded the win stick).
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.14 05:12:00 - [112] Edited by: Matalino on 14/08/2008 05:14:15 Originally by: nutbar All those CNR scams you see which are really just normal Ravens... people are making Ravens impersonate CNRs - should those who fall victim to those scams be allowed to petition them and win? Non-specific substitution is permitted. You are not trying to make people believe that you are selling them the CNR, your are trying to get them to believe that is a CNR. The OP's mistake was try to get someone to believe that he is the one and only Chribba. Had he simply tried to make his victim believe that he was an upstanding and trusted mediator, he would not have had any problems with the GM's. The only generic role that you are not allowed to impersonate is that of CCP representive. Otherwise, to violate the anti-impersonation clause in the EULA, you're going to need to impersonate someone specific, be it a specific person or a specific corp.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 05:30:00 - [113] Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is: 'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be' Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale. EVECitizen Looked your in game portrait. It is very similar to the real Chribba portrait, his is a but darker, bu you have made it as similar as possible. So for the dictionari definition you use you were impersonating him. Originally by: Gamesguy the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
Sral TBear Mark Of Chaos	Posted - 2008.08.14 06:08:00 - [114] the name thing....dont care, the name wasent taken, you can use it...se no problem.. If you in chats, talks etc never SAID!! you were him, i actualy dont se you have done anything wrong...no one can blame you that someone takes you for being him just on the name Again if you never said you were him, and the dude just made the deal because of your name...sorry, you should not be punished any way... TBear
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.08.14 06:21:00 - [115] By the way, one other thing that i think has been missed: Using an alt for a scam should be bannable in any scam/grief/whatnot. I get and accept that some deviant of a character fools meh moneyz, but not that this guy is some kind of god controlling n-ty of people. Main scamming, cool. Alt-scamming, not My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Thommy	Posted - 2008.08.14 06:55:00 - [116] It requeires some reading to find the document they linked you to, it is in the FAQ section under names. It is linked there at the bottom section [Quote]11.5 How do I know what names are not permitted? Read the User and Character Name Policy. It will give you all the information you need to familiarize yourself with the rules regarding this topic.[/Quote] You could have reached that document also by going to Eve support >> Game policy >> User policy. Additionally there is an section in the EULA covered to also deal with character nameing issues namely section 2 B. Quote: ... You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. ... There you have it 3 ways you could have read about this and could have known it is an breach of the EULA. Any other scams are ok because you yourselve take the stick from doing the scam (name and shame) but this scam was banned from being used because it allowed people to ruin the reputation of other people which in turn could have severe consequences for the rest of their eve playtime without any consequences (read disposable alt) for the scammer. So these documents where allready there and could be reached the normal way even without getting an link from an GM. Sidenote: If you think an action MAY be an breach of the rules or EULA you should have petitioned for it first and get the word from CCP. Specificly because you allready thought it would be an exploit and ccp would take the money. You got lucky here that there was no character / account ban possibly even carrying over to any other accounts you may have had because when GM's deal with exploiters you usually never hear from them again afterwards. If you ever find that you do get an player ban (not just against the character but an ban on all accounts) you are not allowed to create a new account again because that one will get shut down aswell. Just for the people who do not understand the rules to well below is scenario written example of why this is not allowed: Quote: Player IAMAPLAYER plays eve since the start, he is an very formidable player with alot of skillpoints. Someone creates an alt named 1amaplayer, copies the original char his bio and pretends he is the same person. 1amaplayer scams someone. 1amaplayer sends the isk to his main char who cannot be found about by any means. 1amaplayer is deleted by the scammer. iamaplayer is now again the only name there and gets blaimed for the former char 1amaplayer his actions, without any ability to defend against the bad reputation because the original name does not exist anymore. Consequence: original player his char is ruined and cannot ever redeem from something he did not do, no rewards whatsoever for him. offending player got all the rewards without any of the risks. This can be used to destroy an person his reputation over and over, upto the point of forceing them to abandon eve because they can not rebuild their char because doing so would forfeit years of building up his character not to mention would even hit their reallife investments turning it all to trash. This is the main reason why ccp does not allow it. Guide \| Patch day
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.14 07:02:00 - [117] With a "regular" scammer, only the victims get hurt, and they do have tools and possibilites to identify a scam beforehand, even if they couldn't hurt the scammer afterwards, they had their chance. However once you impersonate someone else and ruin their reputation it gets out of hand, as the one being impersonated has no chance whatsoever to get revenge. He can wardec you, camp the station you're sitting in all day long and it'll be all for nothing as you don't have to undock to do your scams and to ruin his good name. So yeah, a good name is worth a lot in EVE and the one being robbed off his good name doesn't have any possibilities to get you, that's why there is this rule.
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.14 07:39:00 - [118] There is a guy named "techzerO" (with an "O" not the number like I have) in eve who has gotten a few of my ransoms. I demand justice! DOWN WITH IMPOSTERS!!!!!!! ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Angelic Orange	Posted - 2008.08.14 08:17:00 - [119] To me this seems like an abuse of power. If you used a name spelt Chri8ba and never said that you were "the" chribba then there is no problem. EVE is supposed to be a place where things like this can happen and for a long time they did happen. Now though I don't know. I have one account that is banned from the forums because I said "******". EVE is slowly becoming the place where you can only do what CCP wants you to do instead of doing what you want to do and making ISK in the process. I totally agree with you though EVECitizen19821743, they should refund you the isk and change your name back to chri8ba because anyone with half a brain would realize that chri8ba is not chribba. I mean seriously, if they change chri8ba to EVEcitezenwhatever, but all the people with Orion or Dark or Darth in their names are allowed to keep them then that is an injustice in the world. And there are a shitton of Orions Darks and Darths in EVE. Who is to stop them from scamming people??
Angelic Orange	Posted - 2008.08.14 08:25:00 - [120] Originally by: Disco Flint With a "regular" scammer, only the victims get hurt, and they do have tools and possibilites to identify a scam beforehand, even if they couldn't hurt the scammer afterwards, they had their chance. However once you impersonate someone else and ruin their reputation it gets out of hand, as the one being impersonated has no chance whatsoever to get revenge. He can wardec you, camp the station you're sitting in all day long and it'll be all for nothing as you don't have to undock to do your scams and to ruin his good name. So yeah, a good name is worth a lot in EVE and the one being robbed off his good name doesn't have any possibilities to get you, that's why there is this rule. What if I made a character named Disco Fint and scammed someone? Would that really hurt you? Would I be impersonating you or would the dumbass that fell for the scam say, "Damn that disco fint, I'll get them" Personally I feel in the greater scheme of scams using names that are names of characters just spelt differently is perfectly acceptable in the course of a scam. As long as you don't say you are them or an alt of them then there should be no problems what so ever. This scam being reversed just goes to show though that CCP does play favoritism and truely is moving more towards hello kitty online than the cruel dark universe that EVE is supposed to be.



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