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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Well, I never go here, but Im going to. Ever heard of a con-artist? They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...why shouldnt they be allowed here again?
Con artist are illegal in RL so they are illegal in Eve... when found out. RL comparison's are tricky beasts. The bottom line is that name/corp impersonation is not exclusively used for confidence games. This particular action was used to assassinate the reputation of other players. CCP decided long ago, 2003 actually, that name/corp impersonation could be used specifically with the intent to do out of game harm to other players. This process went above and beyond non-consensual combat and entered into the cyber-stalker/cyber-griefer areas. So, while many scams are allowed impersonation scams are not simply because they run afoul of this particular tactic. It is simple: You can fake trustworthiness to commit a scam, you can not fake being a specific trustworthy someone to commit any action. And just like in Real Life: Action is not taken until someone notices. PS: IMHO all the people who say this should be allowed are essentially no named no reputation lackwits. Their opinion should be heard but it should also be weighted for what it really is... the have-not's trying to ruin things for the have's.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 14/08/2008 16:50:13
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...
Postin' from my pod in a star-system not very near you.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:31:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal — only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:59:00 -
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It's pretty fair from where I'm standing, deliberately creating names to scam off people's reputations is bad for EVE as a game overall. Supporting Chribba is a good move.
During every ISS IPO, I used to have multiple people try to create similar characters, specifically for the purpose of profiting from poor typers etc. They all had their names changed by CCP. I think in total it was about 25 incidents, including ones which I spotted and notified people like Torn Soul amongst others.
If CCP hadn't done that, then there would be a limited market forum, and people like Chribba woudln't be doing things like EVE-Files, which is an astoundingly good development for EVE.
So no sympathy from me. Go work out how to do a clever scam.
What is not fair is that you can't chose another name.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:01:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal ù only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
since when is Chribba a CCP official, again?
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Originally by: Locus Bey
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:04:00 -
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Frankly, I'm surprised no one has commented on the in game **** merchant story I told, and how CCP supported him by changing a similar scammer's name.
**** is a 4 letter word begining with P, ends in N, and also contains an O and a R.
Anyway, this is LONG LONG established policy, years and years old.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Ast3r0iD
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:13:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian
Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
Nothing stopping you buying xxx amount of billion's worth of a commen product and putting it in secure cans around eve. I'd love to see ccp track that.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:35:00 -
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Well deserved to be honest.
In fact... I'm going to petition you for impersonating EVECitizen19B21743
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:39:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal — only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
since when is Chribba a CCP official, again?
Read what I wrote again: having the same name as some other character isn't illegal — only having names similar to CCP officials. Using a similar name to impersonate people, however, is illegal.
They EULA says so: Originally by: EULA
2 B. Passwords and names
No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity.
The Forum rules say the same (and explicitly extends that rule to the game): Originally by: EVE Forum Rules
15. Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
The Chat Channel Rules of Conduct repeat that rule: Originally by: Chat Channels: Rules of Conduct
11. Impersonating another channel patron, volunteer or CCP employee is strictly prohibited and may result in the permanent revocation of your channel access, temporary suspension or permanent banning of your account.
Depending how you define "chat" and "other submissions", the Website Terms of Use, section 6.1.VI also applies: Originally by: Website Terms of Use
You further agree that you will not: […] Make any false representation, including impersonation of any person or entity or misrepresentation of your affiliation with any person or entity
Whether Chribba is a CCP official or not is irrelevant. You're still not allowed to impersonate him.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Whether Chribba is a CCP official or not is irrelevant. You're still not allowed to impersonate him.
Because you say so? Or because the rule is vague? lol...neither of which make me content.
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Originally by: Locus Bey
Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Callib Gor''Karrithe on 14/08/2008 20:42:43
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2008 20:47:55
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Because you say so? Or because the rule is vague? lol...neither of which make me content.
Because the rules say so. Over and over. Read them. Notice how they always extend beyond officials.
There is no vagueness unless you are unable to read.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:01:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Serenity Steele
It's pretty fair from where I'm standing, deliberately creating names to scam off people's reputations is bad for EVE as a game overall. Supporting Chribba is a good move.
During every ISS IPO, I used to have multiple people try to create similar characters, specifically for the purpose of profiting from poor typers etc. They all had their names changed by CCP. I think in total it was about 25 incidents, including ones which I spotted and notified people like Torn Soul amongst others.
If CCP hadn't done that, then there would be a limited market forum, and people like Chribba woudln't be doing things like EVE-Files, which is an astoundingly good development for EVE.
So no sympathy from me. Go work out how to do a clever scam.
What is not fair is that you can't chose another name.
I can choose another name :) Just got to petition and get it changed :)
EVECitizen
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:19:00 -
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The GM's answered my petition, apparently the person deleted the character and corp on their own. The GM did advise though that should this happen again, I should repetition.
Change your name to Abbirhc or Bizzaro Chribba.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:36:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Ast3r0iD
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian
Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
Nothing stopping you buying xxx amount of billion's worth of a commen product and putting it in secure cans around eve. I'd love to see ccp track that.
You aren't really a computer guy are you?
That sort of thing is EASILY tracked by the eve client/server. All a gm would need is your wallet history, your market history and your Assets history. It would be trivial to trail the isk.
Also, you may "pass the isk along" in some convoluted scam to trick CCP, even if you manage to hide the asset from CCP (near impossible) they will just remove X isk from your wallet, all the way into NEGATIVE balance. They will do that to EVERY TOON that touched the money. I've seen it happen.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:59:00 -
[196]
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
There is reading ability and then there's reading comprehension, you might be able to do the 1st but you seriously fail at the second one.
BTW, me and my wife are Chribba, err, Brian  
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:23:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
There is reading ability and then there's reading comprehension, you might be able to do the 1st but you seriously fail at the second one.
BTW, me and my wife are Chribba, err, Brian
The EULA is not clear.
EVECitizen
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Volar Kang
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:46:00 -
[198]
Why is it ok to cheat people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that cheating in RL is bad but cheating people over the internet is ok. |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:52:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Volar Kang
Why is it ok to cheat people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that cheating in RL is bad but cheating people over the internet is ok.
Cheat in real life = someone lost something of value that can't be replaced with the click of a mouse.
Cheat someone on the internet in a game setting = role playing and no real loss for any real person.
I can see a big difference.
Also, ask this question instead
Why is ok to kill people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that killing in RL is bad but killing over the internet is ok?
See how silly it sounds now?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.08.15 06:27:00 -
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Honestly guys and gals, this is getting really PATHETIC!
The rules have been enforced since early 2004 as far as I know, and this is one of the rules that is good for everyone! And one of those changes that most veterans , regular and new players can easily accept. And have been as such accepted since then! Calling a change this far back in time one that makes EVE more "carebear" shows the lack of brains in the poster! Get real will you!?
It is not allowed to impersonate anyone! A close name is in itself not illegal, but as soon you are starting to exploit the similarity against the other person with the similar name, corp, ticker, portrait etc etc etc. then you are impersonating! And that is an overt act of exploit, which can be ground for name changes and warnings, maybe even bans in some cases! So says the rules! And those rules have been around long before more then half of the current playerbase joined the game! So leave it be ok?? End of debate!
Originally by: Dianabolic
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