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QbnOutLawZ	Posted - 2008.08.14 01:24:00 - [1] ok guys throw at me the best fitting for lvl 4 solo in nighthawk
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.08.14 02:01:00 - [2] 6 HML II - 1 whatever 2 LSEII - 3 hardener/invul ( 1 hardener -2 invul or 2 hardeners 1 invul whatever you want ,your choose) 2/3 BCU II - 2/3 Shield power relay and 5 hobgoblin IIs and 2 purger rigs. This is most used setup
GI0VANNI	Posted - 2008.08.14 06:35:00 - [3] I prefer to use T2 HAMS, T2 HAMS and Drone unit (range) in high large booster, 1 EM and 2 invul's and cap recharger in mid2 2 BCU's, 2 PDU's and a cap power relay in low, Or at least I think that is near enough the set up as I am at work and can not get on eve
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.14 07:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Andrue on 14/08/2008 07:08:59 Originally by: QbnOutLawZ ok guys throw at me the best fitting for lvl 4 solo in nighthawk 6xCaldari Navy Launchers;1xMedium Beam II (IR and MF crystals) 3xLSEII; DG Invul; <Rat specific faction hardener> 3xSPR;2xBCS 2xPurger I 5xT2 Light Drone The tank is perhaps slightly excessive. The only missions that come close to breaking it are AE4 Bonus Room and Worlds Collide Serpentis room with full aggro. I also suspect that EA5/5 might be a threat but I don't run that series of missions. The medium beam isn't a huge addition to the arsenal but it's handy for tickling frigates while I deal with the bigger stuff. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Black Dharma State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.14 10:41:00 - [5] Best fitting for a Nighthawk * cap stable @ about 50% * low signature radius * good dps ~ 450 - 500 * tank: no more worries [Nighthawk, pve - best] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warrior II x5 --------------------------------------------- http://igbtools.com
Slobodanka	Posted - 2008.08.14 10:55:00 - [6] I use H: 6 HML II + drone control M: 2 Large shield extenders II + invul II + photon II + shield recharger L: 3 BCU II + 2 SPR II R: 2 Purger II D: 5 light T2 drones (gallente ones kick ass) You can just put on 2 invul instead of photon but I do mission for amarr so EM resist comes in handy :p Also 2 BCU II don't give enough DPS for me, specially after all those defenders rats in mission use. Having 3 SPR II in lows makes NH afk misison mobile. There's only one or two misison that _could_ break your tank if you aggro whole stage and don't shoot back, other than that you'll just cruise along and spam missiles. It's idiot proof. You can switch T2 stuff for faction/deadspace modules, but you'll be juicier target for sucide gankers then (on the other hand faction invuls do improve your tank quite a lot).
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Black Dharma Best fitting for a Nighthawk * cap stable @ about 50% * low signature radius * good dps ~ 450 - 500 * tank: no more worries So far, so good. I can say pretty much the same thing about my setup. My sig is a bit bigger but doesn't matter because the tank can absorb it. Quote: [snip]Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Hmmm. I'm not convinced. The NH begs to be passive tanked. You seem to imply that your setup is a perma tank in which case it's not so bad but I still think you're missing a trick using shield boosters. I also don't like the tractor beam but that's a personal thing. I tried that at one point but I kept accidently blowing up wrecks so soon dropped it in favour of a little bit more DPS. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Slobodanka M: 2 Large shield extenders II + invul II + photon II + shield recharger Swap out the recharger for another extender if you can fit it. I ran the maths a couple of months ago and found that a third extender is slightly better. Only a few %ge points but it is. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
NewTag	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:53:00 - [9] I use this setup on most lvl-4 missions All relevant skills at lvl-4 or lvl-5 Lvl-4 mission in NightHawk, passive tank against Faction Low: Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Med: Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Amplifier II -> missions damage Amplifier II -> missions damage Amplifier II -> missions damage High: Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction (used if drones takes hits) Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: Hornet II x5 -> missions damage MISSION -> FACTION -> LOWEST SHIELD The Rouge Slave Trade 2/2 lvl4 -> Sansha -> 64% shield /NewTag
Slobodanka	Posted - 2008.08.14 21:11:00 - [10] Third extender doesnt fit with T2 mods, you'd have to have faction HMLs (maybe also faction BCUs, can't remember ATM). But even if the difference was in favour of shield recharger and third extender was *****ble, I'd go for extender since it gives you more time to lower incoming DPS to tankable level.

Slobodanka	Posted - 2008.08.14 21:12:00 - [11] I cant write f.i.t.t.a.b.l.e??!?
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.14 22:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Slobodanka I cant write f.i.t.t.a.b.l.e??!? Fitta = Swedish word for female genetalia
Orion GUardian	Posted - 2008.08.15 00:23:00 - [13] hmm A drake would do the yjob as nicely and fit a 7th HML ^^
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.15 07:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Andrue on 15/08/2008 07:04:59 Edited by: Andrue on 15/08/2008 07:01:45 Originally by: Orion GUardian hmm A drake would do the yjob as nicely and fit a 7th HML ^^ Actually not. Its tank is as good as the NH but its gank is not. For a BC the Drake is an impressive ship but don't be fooled by the extra launcher. It doesn't have the DPS that the Nighthawk has. Running L4s in a Drake is like pulling teeth. I doubt if it could complete Vengence at all. Don't forget:The NH gets an RoF and Precision bonus. The extra launcher gives a Drake a 16% DPS boost initially but at 5% per level the NH can eventually give itself a 25% DPS boost. The precision bonus is just the icing on the cake. The Drake is a great ship for the money and, yes, it can handle most L4s but the NH is a superior ship for mission running. That extra % of DPS makes all the difference against shield tankers. The Drake might be closer in performance when fighting armour tankers though. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
QbnOutLawZ	Posted - 2008.08.15 12:47:00 - [15] yes drake is to slow on dps that is why im going to nighthawk my drake over tanks lvl 4 but takes me to long to pop ships and i have perfect dps skills for drake except drone interface at lvl 5 i have at 4
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.08.15 15:19:00 - [16] 6 x HML II 1 x Drone Link Augmenter --- 2 x LSE II 1 x Shield Recharger II 2 x Rat specific active hardeners --- 2 x Beta reactor control: SPR (same stats as SPR II but cheaper and easier to fit) 3 x BCS II --- 2 x CDFP rigs gives 11563 shield hp and 341 sec recharge with my skills resists vary depending on hardeners
Akira2501	Posted - 2008.08.15 16:15:00 - [17] I fit a passive config with 3 Large Extenders and 4 Sheild Power Relays. It can hang out all day with top skills That said; The NH is not the best mission ship imo. Its Kinetic damage bonus is wasted on most Blood and Sancha ships, as EM still works better. The NH's DPS vs BS too low imo making BS heavy missions too long. I find the NH to be a very boring mission ship even if it is quite capable. The Raven is a bit boring too, but itÆs also cheaper, requires less skills, and is more capable.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.15 16:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Akira2501 I fit a passive config with 3 Large Extenders and 4 Sheild Power Relays. It can hang out all day with top skills That said; The NH is not the best mission ship imo. Its Kinetic damage bonus is wasted on most Blood and Sancha ships, as EM still works better. The NH's DPS vs BS too low imo making BS heavy missions too long. I find the NH to be a very boring mission ship even if it is quite capable. The Raven is a bit boring too, but itÆs also cheaper, requires less skills, and is more capable. 4 SPRs? WTF? I'm not surprised you think that the NH is not as good as a Raven. What are you trying to tank - a Doomsday weapon? FFs, swap at least one of those SPRs for a BCS. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.15 16:26:00 - [19] Raven class of ships is going to be better overall, even though the Nighthawk is competitive. The advantage of the Nighthawk is that you can leave it in a mission and go get the mail, make some coffee, whatever, and survive it. While you can permatank a Raven, it either gimps your DPS or costs some ISKies. The NH does decent damage against guristas, but the kinetic bonus sucks against a lot of other factions (i.e. it's useless) and while it does well against smaller ships, it lacks the DPS of the Raven-based ships overall. Overall, base Raven does fine. If you don't want to worry about your tank, NH can work. If you want efficiency, then you look towards CNR/Golem.
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.08.15 16:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Slobodanka M: 2 Large shield extenders II + invul II + photon II + shield recharger Swap out the recharger for another extender if you can fit it. I ran the maths a couple of months ago and found that a third extender is slightly better. Only a few %ge points but it is. But is that that extra % point gain cancelled out due to your increased sig radius?

Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.15 17:48:00 - [21] Edited by: Andrue on 15/08/2008 17:51:25 Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Slobodanka M: 2 Large shield extenders II + invul II + photon II + shield recharger Swap out the recharger for another extender if you can fit it. I ran the maths a couple of months ago and found that a third extender is slightly better. Only a few %ge points but it is. But is that that extra % point gain cancelled out due to your increased sig radius? I'm not sure, tbh but the tank seemed a little better. Could've been my imagination though. It sure wasn't noticeably worse. Anyway I've just tweaked my setup further. It's made it rather silly but the extra DPS is noticeable. I now have T2 purgers and 3 BCS. RoF on the launchers is 4.36 down from 4.68. Cost me nearly 600mil but that's small change for me. I didn't have long to test but I'm pretty certain that the new tank (some 15% worse from removing that SPR) will still be plenty for all and any missions. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.15 21:40:00 - [22] Just bought a NH for missions and i'm really enjoying the change from the dominix. I would fly a CNR/raven but dont have decent cruise skills. The one thing I really like is the freedom of picking targets without fearing your drones will pop. Though the Nh burns through a hell of a lot of ammo.
Bacchus Alpha	Posted - 2008.08.15 22:21:00 - [23] Originally by: KISOGOKU 6 HML II - 1 whatever 2 LSEII - 3 hardener/invul ( 1 hardener -2 invul or 2 hardeners 1 invul whatever you want ,your choose) 2/3 BCU II - 2/3 Shield power relay and 5 hobgoblin IIs and 2 purger rigs. This is most used setup Slightly excessive tank on that, third bcu doesn't add much so might as well just use 1 invul 1 em, 3 spr, and an afterburner for speeding through. Also use a tractor in high for grabbing the mission can quicker. Time is ISK.
Dextrome	Posted - 2008.08.15 23:54:00 - [24] Here's what i use , works fine for me only had to warp out during enemies abound 5/5 and ae bonus room. don't do enemies abound anymore, sitting at -4.99 after counting skills. Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher x 6 Drone Link Augmentor I 2 x LSE II mix of T2 and gist shield hardeners 3 x navy bcus 2 x spr rigs 2 x core defence
Kenji Kikuta	Posted - 2008.08.16 09:22:00 - [25] Edited by: Kenji Kikuta on 16/08/2008 09:25:33 There is absolutely no reason for a passive setup if you are an experienced player and want optimal level 4 mission running with a command ship. With an "active" shield tanking setup, which leaves room for 4 ballistic controls, and with rigs supporting fury ammo you will rip through level 4's. My Nighthawl PVE setup is the following: HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: HML II (fury ammo) HI: Drone link ME: Large Shield Booster II ME: Navy Shield Hardener ME: Navy Shield Hardener ME: Capacitor Booster I (with 400's) (or named) ME: 10 MN Afterburner I (or named) LO: Navy Ballistic LO: Navy Ballistic LO: Navy Ballistic LO: Navy Ballistic LO: Power Diagnostic II RIGS: Hydraulic Bay Thrusters RIGS: Rocket Fuel Cache Partition Drones: 5x lights II The above setup gives me a range up to 50 km with fury ammo, more than sufficient in 95% of the time. For the 5% you will need the afterburner to get in range unless you got relevant missile skills to level 5. The afterburner is very useful when you need to pick stuff up for mission objective or simply want to travel faster between gates. The cap boosters is there just in case I get full aggro and even then I hardly turn it on. Cap charges are cheap and at most I spend 5-10 per mission. With my skills, this setup deals 544 kinetic DPS without drones and 603 with drones. If you want more tanking and you know the rats will be close range, swap the afterburner for another shield hardener. Imo, this never occurs unless you engage bonus room in AE or last stage of EA. All in all, dont use a passive setup as it will gimp your level 4 mission whoring.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.08.16 10:28:00 - [26] Originally by: QbnOutLawZ ok guys throw at me the best fitting for lvl 4 solo in nighthawk 6x HML 1x Drone Link Augmentor 2x LSE II 2x Rat Specific Active Hardeners 1x Invuln II 2x BCU 1x DCU II 2x SPR II 2x Core Defense Shield Purger Rigs This setup works very well in my experience. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.17 03:28:00 - [27] FFS, you're in a command ship. Stick a shield harmonizing link in the final slot and get an alt in a torp CNR to cure the DPS deficiency.


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