Wait... How do you accept a 1v1 then?

I like it how people whine about station games and then advocate for mechanics that would basically force all non-war highsec PVP to occur on stations.

People still don't get what the actual issue.

In any event, it's all just conjecture until CCP puts in a dev blog... THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. Until then, I shall wait.

Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

I look at this as (and I'm going wayyy back on this one) grey status in Ultima Online. If you perform a criminal act you are in fact, a criminal. In UO if you were grey you had better watch your back, and it was all based on karma AKA sec status. The more criminal acts you racked up the lower your karma and you would then become Perma grey until you raised your karma. Guess what? No one likes criminals. A criminal is an outlaw supposed to live on the fringes of society. Society as a whole should not tolerate criminals. This does *NOT* mean that high sec should not have PVP. This also does not mean that EVE shouldn't have criminals. What happens in real life if you steal a car? The police hunt you down and capture you. This also means that you are on the run. You don't get help from people because they don't want to be associated with you.

I would like someone to try to steal a car in a busy parking lot in the south and see what happens. It wouldn't take long for every gun toting redneck (which is all of them ) to swarm you.

Why should EVE be any different? (other than the redneck part. I really don't want to see gun racks and confederate flags flying on ships)

Vexx



**Note: I do not support or endorse stealing of anything in the real world so please, don't do it.

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Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

I don't know, if its not PvP, How about we call it PvC?

Carebears aren't really 'people' after all (mostly botters in my experience), so would calling it PvC would distinguish the two and not offend our 'nullsec PVP' betters?

Wat u tink, guvnor?

Is "PvC" a 'good enough' label for popping, oh, almost 600 Exhumers in 3 months......SOLO?


I think dealing about 115 Billion ISK in damage to the mining community - with only occasional play - is just a bit more than 'carebear ratting', so you might want to climb down from your pedestal.

After all, I don't see very many kills on YOUR ledger........that aren't shared by 50 other people.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

This could however cause an unforeseen bonus in the new player systems. As everyone knows, there are people who sit in new player systems can baiting. Usually there are 2 or 3 of these guys bating. With the proposed changes, when a new player falls for the "free stuff" bait, instead of surprise butt seks from one thrasher, he/she will enjoy a surprise gang bang from many thrashers. And, all of the baiters will now be able to get in on the km. Just think of all the time this will save the baiters.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

there are people who sit in new player systems can baiting. Usually there are 2 or 3 of these guys bating. With the proposed changes, when a new player falls for the "free stuff" bait, instead of surprise butt seks from one thrasher, he/she will enjoy a surprise gang bang from many thrashers.

Well where I come from, if you get caught walking out someones front door with his TV in the middle of the night,
he pulls a gun and shoots you... he goes to jail for murder/attempted murder.

Ones right to protect their property is never held higher than anothers right to live, at least in my country.

That thief above better not do that in Texas and a buncha other southern and some midwestern states. Some places still allow people to defend their property, even their neighbors too, thankfully. Risk/reward. Forget the north east and the left coast though, it's generally open season on law abiding citizens there.

-10 players would actually be welcomed at lowsec stations where pirate factions control it...and positive standings players would be shot at by the station guns, the npc police and possibly the gate guns, depending on the security status of the system.

Except that even if someone shoots you, you won't be able to shoot them back without going GCC.

This... Would be most excellent!

If I had a rookie ship kill on a day old noob I'd quit.