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shal ri
Zanzibar Land
12
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Posted - 2012.03.25 22:39:00 -
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christ so many flames its unreal. lets get back on topic here
the new rules as they stand in high sec is if there is a can and u flip it u get a "suspect flag" now every 1 can shoot u. those that do fire on the "suspect" get a sec hit that will bring them at some point no lower the -5. that means no more high sec without the police chasing u. if the "suspect" fires back at those firing on him he will too get a sec hit that will at some point get him to -10 which means no more high sec for him too. this means it will force ppl into low sec, not to metion that its just gay to get a sec hit when ur allowed to shoot some1.
now this does not only affect high sec, as these rules also apply to low sec engagements as well. if u were to shoot at a -10 that was not in gcc u with +sec get a sec hit for aggro. u have to wait for the pirate to go gcc b4 u can get a sec up for killin him. i replayed the vid a few times to make sure i got that part right. he even gives a situation to which it applies.
ie u have a fleet with 5 ppl and are mostly +sec. ur scout sees a pirate gang floatin around. they dont have gcc. u send in a few ppl to get thier attention and land on the gate they are campin. now they dont want gate guns as well as not being able to kill u due to the 1 min aggro if u jump the gate to run away. so they wait for u to make the first move as u wont get guns for aggro.
with the new rules in place u dont want to aggro because u will get a sec hit if u do and u dont want that. so this means u sit there lookin at one another waiting. just gettin bored. till 1) they cant take it anymore and they aggro (doesnt happen often) 2) u warp off 3) they warp off 4) some 1 calls back-up and blob happens.
how is that goin to increase conflict in low sec. i get enough of that already. all this will do is make it happen more, plus its means i WILL have to grind more sec for everytime i engage. not just some of the time. now how do we fix this?
well in high sec make it so no sec hit occurs for shootin and killin a "suspect" as well as defending urself agaisnt them. this will make it risky but at the same time wont force u to low sec if u dont want to be there. u fight outnumbered, die or get out without dieing hoprfully u get a kill while doin so.
low sec. its ment to be the wild west. we already have the standoff effect. dont make it worse. those that want to be anti-pirate shouldnt get a sec hit for aggro on a -10. its just silly. remove the sec hit for those that aggro -10 like it is now, but adding in the sec up for killin some1 who is -10. this will make ppl aggro without loss to them and push conflict in low sec. ppl will raom though low sec lookin for pirates for the added bonus of sec stat.
that would be true anti pirate. its good for me as i have a -10 char and this will push more ppl to aggro. :) all around.
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zariae
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:43:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Sure it's a sandbox. But when you have certain kiddies thinking that you can pee and excement in the sandbox because it's a sandbox then we start having a problem. CCP is trying to run a business. These kiddies think that because they pay $15 per month they're entitled to grief other players and thus other monthy subscriptions out of the game because it's a 'sandbox'. So, without understanding even what a sandbox means they start parroting the word around as an excuse to grief and generate what they call "tears", or ruining other players' game experience.
This is where you are fundamentally wrong. What you consider griefing play that pees and poos in the sandbox isn't actually griefing; its allowed, condoned gameplay. Trying to bring real-life morality into a computer game who's rules don't support it is, well, frankly delusional.
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: When CCP comes in and plugs exploits, bugs, and loopholes that slowly drive their business to the ground...... want to continue crapping and peeing in the sandbox because to them, that is what a sandbox is. It isn't a playground for players to have fun, but rather a tool for them to have fun at the expense of others. Learn what a sandbox is and you'll soon realize that crying whenever CCP plugs your griefing mechanisms won't help you much.
This is so funny. The people having fun killing other players have as much right to do that as you have not to. This is the fact of EvEs' sandbox. Just because you don't like it as it affects you is your problem. That's the nature of the game you play.
As for running the game into the ground what part of continued growth year after year don't you understand?
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: ...you do realize that the ones whining here are the OP, you, and the others crying about the changes to come, don't you? I suggest you take your own advice, grow up and accept the consequences and risk for your actions, you self-entitled whiner. Or find another venue to relieve your frustrations and inadequacies of grief. Or get professional help. Whatever.
You play a pvp orientated sandbox game where CCP have repeatadly stated that nowhere is truely safe, yet call normal play 'griefing' and think I need help. Your understanding is flawed but rather than change that, you want the game to change for you, sounds pretty self-entitled... |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:33:00 -
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CCP on numerous occasions has admitted that hi sec war decs and other PVP mechanics in hi sec are used primarily as grief tools. And they've also stated they are not satisfied with these mechanics. And precisely because of this it makes perfect sense they are changing things around. I don't expect those using these mechanics to be happy once they're plugged. Make no mistake, grief players will need to be making some changes to their style if they wish to continue peeing in the pool. And to be honest, I expect them to come up with ways to continue and try making others' playing experience miserable for their own amusement. And I expect CCP to continue balancing the mechanics. And I also expect hi sec grief players to continue to whine.
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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
66
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:11:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:CCP on numerous occasions has admitted that hi sec war decs and other PVP mechanics in hi sec are used primarily as grief tools. And they've also stated they are not satisfied with these mechanics. And precisely because of this it makes perfect sense they are changing things around. I don't expect those using these mechanics to be happy once they're plugged. Make no mistake, grief players will need to be making some changes to their style if they wish to continue peeing in the pool. And to be honest, I expect them to come up with ways to continue and try making others' playing experience miserable for their own amusement. And I expect CCP to continue balancing the mechanics. And I also expect hi sec grief players to continue to whine.
And what about those corps'es / alliances who doesn't war dec tings in empire for doing griefing? |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:27:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:CCP on numerous occasions has admitted that hi sec war decs and other PVP mechanics in hi sec are used primarily as grief tools. And they've also stated they are not satisfied with these mechanics. And precisely because of this it makes perfect sense they are changing things around. I don't expect those using these mechanics to be happy once they're plugged. Make no mistake, grief players will need to be making some changes to their style if they wish to continue peeing in the pool. And to be honest, I expect them to come up with ways to continue and try making others' playing experience miserable for their own amusement. And I expect CCP to continue balancing the mechanics. And I also expect hi sec grief players to continue to whine.
And what about those corps'es / alliances who doesn't war dec tings in empire for doing griefing? And this is a legitimate concern. And to be honest, I'd hate to be in CCP's shoes when plugging questionable mechanics that will also affect legimate players, such as those you bring up.
If there are solutions that can weed out the grief players while keeping the play styles from those that actually play the game then you have my vote. But I know this isn't easy. And in the end, the way I personally feel about it is that even though CCP's proposals aren't perfect, they will end up doing way more good than harm. Of course, that is yet to be seen.
It's like cancer. CCP's job is trying to kill the cancerous cells (grief players) while trying to keep the healthy cells intact. But by CCP's own admission, PVP mechanics in hi sec are used mostly for grief playing. So there are legitimate uses, but the problem they are causing is much more overwhelming. The current solution offers a big win + little loss. |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
116
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:58:00 -
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There are many things I'd like to see fixed in eve.
You high-sec gankers pulling t3 bc's out of orca's and killing some noob in his itty 4 are one of them.
You make me sick, you can't PVP obviously or you would be. You don't belong in this forum or any of the others. You're about a half step up from botters.
Really glad they are getting rid of can flippers too - can't even imagine how many noobs this has put off the game over the years.
If you want to PVP there are plenty of places to do it without harassing people who don't care for it.
The fact there are people who want to PVP and people who don't want to PVP and the game caters for both is what makes it a sandbox, not you getting to do whatever you want to do at others expense.
PVP games need PVPers, not griefers. My EVE YouTube Channel |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1174
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:22:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:There are many things I'd like to see fixed in eve.
You high-sec gankers pulling t3 bc's out of orca's and killing some noob in his itty 4 are one of them.
You make me sick, you can't PVP obviously or you would be. You don't belong in this forum or any of the others. You're about a half step up from botters.
Really glad they are getting rid of can flippers too - can't even imagine how many noobs this has put off the game over the years.
If you want to PVP there are plenty of places to do it without harassing people who don't care for it.
The fact there are people who want to PVP and people who don't want to PVP and the game caters for both is what makes it a sandbox, not you getting to do whatever you want to do at others expense.
PVP games need PVPers, not griefers.
You seem vexed. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
236
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:18:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:There are many things I'd like to see fixed in eve.
You high-sec gankers pulling t3 bc's out of orca's and killing some noob in his itty 4 are one of them.
You make me sick, you can't PVP obviously or you would be. You don't belong in this forum or any of the others. You're about a half step up from botters.
Really glad they are getting rid of can flippers too - can't even imagine how many noobs this has put off the game over the years.
If you want to PVP there are plenty of places to do it without harassing people who don't care for it.
The fact there are people who want to PVP and people who don't want to PVP and the game caters for both is what makes it a sandbox, not you getting to do whatever you want to do at others expense.
PVP games need PVPers, not griefers.
You also seem stupid. |

Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
113
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:35:00 -
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PRVTRs runs on tears like those. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |

Hinkledolph
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:54:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak.
Tell the gatecamp story to our Titan pilot who got his titan shoved into his brown eye by faction war duders. I know that your post was sarcastic but many people might take it seriously. Bunch of small and large corps are living in losec and doing just fine. |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:45:00 -
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I like the suspect flag idea as long as killing those attacking you when you are flagged doesn't incur a sec status hit. If it does, after a day or so of that fun and games (and it would be fun to see if you can fight off random blobs like that) you'll be in low, which is pretty much deserted in most cases.
And from the other side of the coin, if you're strolling around highsec and bored - which is pretty likely - you can fit up a cheap pvp ship and go check the belts. It may nudge the bears into actually trying a bit of pvp in this manner. "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |

El Geo
Pathfinders. Mining For Profit Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:10:00 -
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Hinkledolph wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak. Tell the gatecamp story to our Titan pilot who got his titan shoved into his brown eye by faction war duders. I know that your post was sarcastic but many people might take it seriously. Bunch of small and large corps are living in losec and doing just fine.
i bet he never expected it to happen to him lmao |

Bricksauce
Red Dawn.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:11:00 -
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I thought whoever had the most RSB won hisec? Red Dawn. is Now Recruiting! |

Xenuria
Center Haus Insane Asylum
452
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:36:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.
Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?
You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.
"you suspect son you suspect!" Vote Xenuria CSM7 |

Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:54:00 -
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Most of those sound like they're going to increase high-sec PvP, not decrease it. Since arguments and minor trolling can now escalate into a small-scale battle instead of the original offender just being able to hang out with essentially impunity.
I also kind of like the "you lose status for fighting, regardless of who started it" idea, it adds an element of deciding that it's worth the cost to blow someone up (or not), which is nice. |

Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:12:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:What are you on about, fool?
Gankers are completely safe surrounded by CONCORD? Are you on drugs? Or just kind of like the wacky uncle in the attic?
Concord is vaporizing my ships when GCC'd, and if its not Concord its endless waves of Faction Navy.
Suicide gankers take a risk with every single attack. A calculated risk, but a risk, nonetheless.
Risk from Concord, not other players. |

Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:33:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:And what about those corps'es / alliances who doesn't war dec tings in empire for doing griefing?
You can still wardec same as before, and it will be easier to find good targets and more even fights with the removal of neutral reps and addition of merc contracts. It will be more expensive, but frankly for 2M you can run dozens of decs simultaneously and barely notice the dent. But if you're running dozens of decs you're doing a fair amount of griefing, unless you've found a way to prosecute all those wars concurrently?
"Grief play" is legitimate play. As is stealing, cheating, scamming, lying, spying, and all other manner of anti-social machinations. If CCP feels some of the mechanics that govern this play are too skewed to one side, they are free to adjust them to their liking, and players engaging in those activities are free to adjust or go do something else, HTFU in other words. The game changes. Deal with it. Eventually, even mining will change, pretty much the only mechanic that hasn't seen any major changes since day 1. |

Dracoknight
Adeptus Assassinorum The Dominion Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:58:00 -
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People seem to be quite fast at the whine button at any and every single change..
what happend to adaption? what happend to the days were YOU had to tailor your play to the game, and not the game being tailored for you?
If you cant adapt to a simple video game, what are your chances in real life? |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1951
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:05:00 -
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Hinkledolph wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak. Tell the gatecamp story to our Titan pilot who got his titan shoved into his brown eye by faction war duders. I know that your post was sarcastic but many people might take it seriously. Bunch of small and large corps are living in losec and doing just fine.
Sometimes I overestimate the average intelligence of Eve players. Yes that comment was dripping in sarcasm.
Also the video of the Titan dying was pretty cool. I'm kind of surprised it gathered so much attention but I guess it was quite funny overall  (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
481
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:15:00 -
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i like hisec pvp because i can still run l4 missies in my gollie when i'm bored :). pew pew :yarr: :twisted:
Woo Glin, CEO Mega Cool T34R Extraction Corp. Dominus Legiousautis Alliance |

Cayden Xios
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:40:00 -
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So if I'm reading this right... gankers, looters, and flippers have to deal with the consequences of their actions now, and they're bawwing about it? This is different from the typical miner whining thread how? |

Cannibal Kane
Viziam Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:54:00 -
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People still don't get what the actual issue. 
In any event, it's all just conjecture until CCP puts in a dev blog... THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. Until then, I shall wait.
Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:58:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.
The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Maluscious Melody
Frequent Moose Frequent Moose and Friends
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:48:00 -
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From what I can see, all this does it add consequences to the actions of high sec can flippers and gankers. I enjoy flipping the occasional can and it makes my heart warm knowing that I might get attacked by random people for doing it! Exciting!
Furthermore, it makes sense. If you're essentially stealing from someone in High Sec, why wouldn't Concord cast a disdainful eye on the matter? The 'Criminal Flag' of today is really just a private flag, now it will be a true criminal flag.
I think it will be enjoyable. |

Astroniomix
EliteTroll
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:50:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me. The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity. Insert 3-4 paragraph long bitchpost about how you don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions and need to go to nullsec and learn to do "real pvp" here. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me. The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity. Insert 3-4 paragraph long bitchpost about how you don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions and need to go to nullsec and learn to do "real pvp" here. Rebuttal pointing out that losing sec status when the other party consents to PVP is absurd. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Astroniomix
EliteTroll
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:47:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Astroniomix wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me. The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity. Insert 3-4 paragraph long bitchpost about how you don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions and need to go to nullsec and learn to do "real pvp" here. Rebuttal pointing out that losing sec status when the other party consents to PVP is absurd. Retardedly long post vaugely mentioning something about "higsec pvp cearebears" but failing to address any actual issues or even make sense. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1186
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Astroniomix wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me. The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity. Insert 3-4 paragraph long bitchpost about how you don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions and need to go to nullsec and learn to do "real pvp" here. Rebuttal pointing out that losing sec status when the other party consents to PVP is absurd. Retardedly long post vaugely mentioning something about "higsec pvp cearebears" but failing to address any actual issues or even make sense. Comment on the appropriateness of your corp name. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Red Boomstick
Nemesis Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:54:00 -
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Msgerbs wrote:I'd love to see what you guys are talking about, but I can't look far enough back in the announcements to see it... CCP 2 gud.
However, I think getting global aggression for things to used to give corp or individual aggression is a VERY bad move. Basically, I can't do anything in highsec now without being blown up. Because you can pretty much guarantee anybody who goes flashy red is gonna die unless the system is pretty much empty. I've been a member of enough frig roams where an unfortunate -10 landed on us to know that flashy reds in highsec get blown up. And not only that, but you can't even defend yourself without losing sec status, forcing people who still want to pvp in highsec to become missionbears in their spare time just to keep their sec up.
create an alt get its sec status to -10 kill said alt with main sec status restored.
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Ubiquitous Forum Alt
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:56:00 -
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I love all the low/null sec people saying to man up and take the sec hits....
Even though in low/null sec, you NEVER take any form of sec hit for killing ANYBODY who shot you first........
If they implement it as stated however, it still provides methods to grief far harder than ever before - with even LESS real risk to yourself! (if you don't know what I'm talking about, go back a few pages and read my evil plan ). Hooray for unintended consequences 
As long as people do indeed exploit said consequences, the sec hits won't last more than a month - even if by some miracle they get implemented at all - so just make plans to be extremely evil *in case* they happen, and until we find out for sure I recommend that everyone just *relax* and wait for something official rather than just rumours  I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |
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