Tears from Suddenly Ninjas are the sweetest tears, EVER. Maybe you should try a form of pvp where you are hostile to more then a single target in the system?

I am all for the suspect flag. On the other hand they do need to remove the whole war dec shield mechanic.

Also, add "associate" flag into the game. If a corp is war decced and the member leaves the corp he should be flagged as "associate" and still be hostile to the opposing party in the conflict (basically the player will carry the war dec with him even after leaving the corp) until the war is resolved. Also, once flagged as associate the player wont be able to join other corps for the duration of the war dec. This should put some responsibility and loyalty on the corp membership and stop all the bunny hopping.

so far, all but one of the responses are interesting and thoughtful.

Perhaps you'll remember your own comment next time your alliance posts a stupid comment about how they love carebear tears.

But I doubt it .

... What do you think the chances are that CCP will eliminate the dec-shield and dec-scraping?

I seriously think that removing PvP from hisec is CCP's current goal. Allowing for a loophole like that would mean CCP actually would like people to fight in hisec...something they have not demonstrated recently.

If I understand the changes correctly, I'm totally anxious that they come into game ASAP.

I don't have to search for cans anymore to get aggressed to someone, I can just grap ANY can and everyone can get into a fight with me (-> suspect flag). Or even better, I just start to shoot someone. Chances for a response are so much higher, when your slugs are already tearing holes into the hull (there was a slide in the show that had shooting people in the suspect category and only killing gave Concord response).

And then EVERYONE can come and defend the poor sod that you are harrassing. And now get into a fast ship and know how to drag potential incoming hordes of carebears apart and kill them one by one, cause they have absolutely no idea how a coordinated response should look like.

Or even better: get someone with pvp practice into the belt for a good fight!

These changes sound pretty much like the advent of belt piracy in highsec.

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10

All I'm hearing is bitter "Pro PvPer's" loosing their RR

All I'm hearing is bitter "Pro PvPer's" loosing their RR

Yes this is the part that really looks like they're pushing High Sec PvPers out of High Sec. Which would be fine if they also pushed lucrative PvE out of High Sec as well, but no sign of that happening yet. I'm still waiting for the complete story before final judgement, we haven't seen the Wardec changes yet.

Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.

This is going to own.

Now all I have to do is canflip my alt and I suddenly am flagged to everyone in EVE.

That is ******* amazing. The number of fights a high-sec PvPer can get all over high-sec now is amazing.

Along with this is the addition of proper aggression transfers to logis. Goodbye stupid station games.

I play eve for the realism.

That "Suspect" flag system sounds like the best idea to be brought to EVE so far. Seriously ... its something normal highsec folk have been waiting for years.

"Elite PVP" folk aka the guys who jump to some 5 week old mission runner to gank them in T3s after canflips and neutral-RR wanks seem to be actually terrified that their helpless prey might be able to shoot back now !

In current state the system gives complete immunity to the gankers ... but this new system would actually add some sense into the game and give the highsec bears the means to actually help eachother against a common foe !

I really think this is a brilliant change that will greatly improve the game for new and old players.

If the basement kids cry because they cant bully people without retribution ... well time to man up and actually take responsibility for acting like a douche !

letting more people shoot each other without CONCORD = taking away the sandbox?

idgi

Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

LOL, more tears comments...keep em coming!

Also, for the other response about living as an outlaw...I'd almost agree with the possibility of actually being a true -10 'outlaw' as envisioned if these changes go through...but I'd like to propose then, that it be reciprical and balanced...thus, -10 players would actually be welcomed at lowsec stations where pirate factions control it...and positive standings players would be shot at by the station guns, the npc police and possibly the gate guns, depending on the security status of the system. On a humorous thought; spawn NPC police if positive-status players enter the system and attempt to 'patrol the pirates'. I hardly think it's logical that people are allowed to sit around Guristas stations and have offices there that are positive standing.

I'd think that the possible benefit to a 'balanced and reciprocal' system like this would actually have people voluntarily move to lowsec.

Thoughts?

It would be better to make security status only matter for human players. And for anything NPC related we already have standings.
CONCORD is somehow different from other NPC tho...

The thing is you can't push people out of highsec, PVPers or otherwise. If you make it prohibitively difficult to engage in PVP in highsec the people whose entire playstyle is built around killing things in highsec will just quit and go and play another game. At that point the nullsec people who constantly advocate for changes that would make highsec PVP more difficult now, will whine that highsec is too safe and that no PVP happens there.

The reason many of those players are in High Sec is because the targets are there, and that was really my point. If CCP takes non consensual PvP out of High Sec they should also take out all the non newbie PvE. When I think of previous Sandbox MMORPGs I've played I can't think of any that have safe zones where you can also engage in PvE. Well Shadowbane had a newbie zone, but it had no value to characters after they'd spent a couple of hours there. No one would complain High Sec was too safe if all you could do there was trade, build things, and do newbie tutorial missions. I'm certainly not advocating all PvPers join Sov Nullsec alliances.

BUT really , how much more punishment can highsec pvper's take.

BAHAHAHAHAHA High sec ganking is not PVP

I have come to love this game over the years..... BUT really , how much more punishment can highsec pvper's take.

First, the RISK:
-spending hours scanning targets
-getting the kill (not guaranteed while ship/insurance loss IS guaranteed)
-cargo must drop....
-cargo must not be stolen by others...

First, the RISK:
-spending hours scanning targets
-getting the kill (not guaranteed while ship/insurance loss IS guaranteed)

Only thing you are actually risking is wasting your time, and well, you are already playing a game about internet spaceships, so I am pretty sure thats moot.

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone.

lmao hisec pvp

"hisec pvp" is currently basically risk free, so stop whining, you hardcore outlaw hisec canflippers.
I welcome every change to aggro mechanics that make hisec a bit more multiplayer and not the grind place it is. Currently the only ones losing ships there are noobs silly enough to shoot back, the ones that weren't told to not shoot anybody in hisec but instead ignore their surrounding, and that is too boring and counterintuitive for a pvp game.

killing a -5 or lower player will gain you sec status...

Overall, the changes look interesting and if they do it right it means high-sec PVP could be interesting, but will force the griefer noobs to learn to deal with numbers and face some risk when flipping noobs.

As Dr. Eggnog is currently saying: TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BEFORE THE 3 MONTH MARK.

Noobs are treated "horribly".

The primary reason being you guys can't even let them get a descent start.

Nobody hanging around =no profits for CCP=No EVE=No game for YOU at all.

It's a rather simple equation.

YOUR own extreme, out-of-control behaviors and playstyle have brought this about.

I'm looking forward to the change about gaining sec status by shooting outlaws and the whole suspect flag. Hell I'm an outlaw already and even then some people refuse to shoot at me even though they wont take sentry fire at a gate/station or lose sec status. Anything that encourages more people to shoot me (or anyone else) is a good change. All this crying about the suspect flag is hilarious. If you weren't a limp wristed pantywaist coward you'd be blinky to the whole of the playerbase already. I might even rat up my sec status so I can play in high sec when the changes hit, its gonna be interesting in high sec for the first few days after the patch.

For those who like to make people's lives miserable - here is the new Ultimate Griefer Tactic for use with the new system:

1) Find a Target who is either running missions or mining.
2) Flip the mission objective or ore from their can to yours, then fly away - but have a cloaked corp-mate come in and sit nearish the can waiting for them to re-flip.
3) Once they steal it back, lock them down, and bring in hordes of corp-mates in scram-fit rookie ships. Guns are NOT required.
4) Let them start mowing down your rookie ships, and even your pods if that is allowed, but make sure you keep at least 1 point on them so they can't fly away.
5) Watch their sec status PLUMMET - until it gets so low that they can no longer legally fly in the system you are in.
6) Continue holding them while the faction navy destroys them.
7) ???????
8) Profit - and there is 1 less carebear allowed to fly in high sec.

PS: Yes, I am pure evil. You are welcome.

I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a sec status loss for shooting ships that have already aggressed you, and scrams are aggression.

Nice try though :p

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

--Ninja salvaging has effectively dead since the Noctis crashed salvage prices.
Mission runner baiting, now on life support since the Orca nerfs - will be effectively dead.

The kill itself was rarely a problem, it was the time spent getting trying to get aggression. "Always bet on stupid" was the motto, however.

Well, CCP finally figured out how to save the stupid. Give them a life preserver that they can't figure out how to take off.
"Bear safety condom on = bear don't die."

But, like I said, that profession has been on life support for awhile. Ninja looting, alternative gameplay, RIP. Good job, CCP.


--People seem to be so focused on 'can flippers'. Can flipping has been a joke for a very long time....very low returns on your time, lots of boredom.

Suspect flags are about killing off ganking 'for profit'.

Most of this does not effect me directly, because I almost exclusively kill Exhumers and the loot is simply not that important....I'll carry on instapopping miners day in and day out.

But for those gankers who need to turn a profit - simply looting the wreck (that you killed) will allow anyone to attack you.

First, the RISK:
-spending hours scanning targets
-getting the kill (not guaranteed while ship/insurance loss IS guaranteed)
-cargo must drop....
-cargo must not be stolen by others...
and now....
-you must survive simply collecting the loot - on busy trade routes, no less.

Have fun scooping a successful freighter gank with another freighter.

The risks and inconveniences are being piled on. I'm not seeing any rewards on the other side of the equation.

I would have liked to see PODs drop implants.
I would like to see Orcas made scannable and drop loot - the corporate cargo bay is too easily exploited by haulers.

But I suppose CCP only caters to carebears in highsec these days....

I am sorry "guy who picks on newbs who dont know how can flipping mechanics work" but you contribute nothing to the game experience besides your sweet, delicious tears just now. I am all for EvE being a dangerous and hostile place, but I have no sympathy for people who are more useless then **** on a bowl.

People who think that 'stealing a mission item' is somehow different now are either deluding themselves, or simply trying to make a misleading argument that ninjas somehow gain something by this.

At best, the tactic is no different than it is now. (rather ineffective)

Most likely, the carebear will be saved 99% of the time by having his safety condom on.

This was nerfed what, a year ago? 18 months. Its been awhile.
Stealing Mission critical items WAS a good trick when the items would not respawn until DT. (even when they tend to be available on contracts)

Now, they respawn very rapidly and stealing them will not convince anyone to steal anything.

Its so tiresome when people argue about things they've never tried themselves.

it is you that should learn game mechanics...
one look at your fail killboard proves you are an Eve Simpleton

Never claimed that I am a PRO.
But if you do look at my KB: http://kb4.eveaquila.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1203530224
You will see that I am not risk averse.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1485294-0/page/1#18

POW, right in the kisser.

Tell is more about how killing single individuals with a 5-10 man gang is risky.



*****edit snipe like a baus*****

*snip*

Oh I am sorry, I guess I should be leet solo roamer in order to have a qualified opinion on anything in this game. Roaming null in small gangs, living in w-space, all risk free. It needs to be solo vs a dozen enemies. Not Garmon don't care, amiright?

1) Holy **** you people need to quit with the enormous pyramid

and 2) It is amazing how fast you went from offensive insults against cowardly griefers to a completely frantic/mindless defensive stance like that ^ - acting like everybody is RANDOMLY attacking YOUR play style...


Seriously:
If you can't stand the heat, quit pouring gasoline all over yourself and jumping into the fire......

It was more of a sarcastic remark to a previous comment. Though, I truly want to see someone argue that small gang pvp is risk free or less risk then can flipping. In the end all I really want is more tears from these ninja bears :)

you seem quite butthurt by these notorious "ninjabears"

http://i.imgur.com/1tLtR.jpg

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty
- Flipping a can for example
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

So, since this won't stop the hisec ganking (until that eventually gets nerfed into impossibility this coming year), do you think the idea is to 'force' more people into Low-Sec and Null while protecting the new bear population?

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone. War decs can be scraped off, bounties don't mean a thing, plus apparently there will be one-time settable toggles to set it so you never, unintentionally, ever go red to somebody else.

My guess is that with Empire space as a completely safe zone, with no possibility of non-consesual PvP or any player to player content, this will pretty much end up being a completely safe and boring high-sec, (still) nearly-empty lowsec and the continued Null power blocks (if you're not 'in' with them and the politics, you'll be in hisec safety)

thoughts?

My thought is that it will eventually seriously degrade the game as it was first introduced and even how it is played today. People who start Eve to just try it out will stay in high-sec (unless they have friends in the null alliances) and play for a while until they get bored of the grind. You will no longer have the ****-fit navy Dominix that dies in his mission, gets an adrenaline rush he'd never experienced before, gets excited and learns more about fitting a ship properly who then either is motivated to move to nullsec or become a white knight to combat the 'honorless internet jerks'...or possibly become one of the 'jerks' themselves.

From what I've heard, Empire PvP is docking games, neutral logistics, suicide ganking and unfair war decs. Winning a battle via game mechanics sounds pretty boring to me.

Hopefully it'll "force" the douche bags into null/low-sec.

Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.

The consequences have always existed, griefers just depend on the fact that cowards, such as yourself, are too apathetic and lazy to take matters into their own hands and would rather petition CCP for "balance."

There are no consequences I have proven that in several threads please scum/grievers etc stop posting.
Those threads all died after I posted in it because you couldnt disprove any of my statements.
So stop making new threads where you run away from any normal debate.

noob basher tears, best tears

Edit:
Could anybody please explain to me why these changes would "force" anybody to low/nullsec ?

What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.

What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.

and blobbing the sh*t out of things is considered pvp is it? please, some of you 'nullsec' players dont move without the blob, your just like the greifers in highsec but for some reason think you're diferent

I belive this new system, will add more consequences to your actions. You don't get to shout "MOAR RISK FOR CAREBEAR PUSSIES!" and be completely safe surrounded by CONCORD while bashing ships with no risk to yourself as you gank hulks and fight mission fit ship that would never win in the first place. As it stands now, there is no risk to you...at all and you get to shout risk -> Boom! some carebear idiot. Now, you actually have repercusions to you actions that will make you find your safe zone where you will actually step back from your aggressive rampant asshatery and reavaluate your limits of actual loss.

Indeed.

Greefers are crying like a little girls cuz they realised that after killing / suicide ganking they will be instantly outlaws.

Killing someone in hisec will be still possible, but they can't bear -5 security status.
I think they cry cuz they finally realised thet they aren't really diffrent from others carebears who mine / run missions whole day.
I dont think they will grow some balls to go outlaw and hit hisec bears directly from lowsec as i do with -10 security status.

Grow balls noobs, go lowsec, laugh at that change.

Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak.

Indeed.

Greefers are crying like a little girls cuz they realised that after killing / suicide ganking they will be instantly outlaws.

Killing someone in hisec will be still possible, but they can't bear -5 security status.
I think they cry cuz they finally realised thet they aren't really diffrent from others carebears who mine / run missions whole day.
I dont think they will grow some balls to go outlaw and hit hisec bears directly from lowsec as i do with -10 security status.

Grow balls noobs, go lowsec, laugh at that change.

http://i.imgur.com/1tLtR.jpg

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty
- Flipping a can for example
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

So, since this won't stop the hisec ganking (until that eventually gets nerfed into impossibility this coming year), do you think the idea is to 'force' more people into Low-Sec and Null while protecting the new bear population?

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone. War decs can be scraped off, bounties don't mean a thing, plus apparently there will be one-time settable toggles to set it so you never, unintentionally, ever go red to somebody else.

My guess is that with Empire space as a completely safe zone, with no possibility of non-consesual PvP or any player to player content, this will pretty much end up being a completely safe and boring high-sec, (still) nearly-empty lowsec and the continued Null power blocks (if you're not 'in' with them and the politics, you'll be in hisec safety)

thoughts?

My thought is that it will eventually seriously degrade the game as it was first introduced and even how it is played today. People who start Eve to just try it out will stay in high-sec (unless they have friends in the null alliances) and play for a while until they get bored of the grind. You will no longer have the ****-fit navy Dominix that dies in his mission, gets an adrenaline rush he'd never experienced before, gets excited and learns more about fitting a ship properly who then either is motivated to move to nullsec or become a white knight to combat the 'honorless internet jerks'...or possibly become one of the 'jerks' themselves.

As Dr. Eggnog is currently saying: TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BEFORE THE 3 MONTH MARK.

Noobs are treated "horribly".

The primary reason being you guys can't even let them get a descent start.

Nobody hanging around =no profits for CCP=No EVE=No game for YOU at all.

It's a rather simple equation.

YOUR own extreme, out-of-control behaviors and playstyle have brought this about.

To all of you saying 'proper' pvp is in null or lowsec still don't get it. EvE is supposed to be a sandbox where within the game mechanics pvp can happen anywhere to anyone, only limited by the imagination of the pilot. There is no right or wrong pvp, there's just pvp.

As for those who said highsec can-flippers take no risks, you need to understand that you're the problem. If you and your corp can't defend yourself, you don't deserve that ship, ore or mission loot. Grow up you self-entitled whiners and accept the game.

Sure it's a sandbox. But when you have certain kiddies thinking that you can pee and excement in the sandbox because it's a sandbox then we start having a problem.
CCP is trying to run a business. These kiddies think that because they pay $15 per month they're entitled to grief other players and thus other monthy subscriptions out of the game because it's a 'sandbox'. So, without understanding even what a sandbox means they start parroting the word around as an excuse to grief and generate what they call "tears", or ruining other players' game experience.

When CCP comes in and plugs exploits, bugs, and loopholes that slowly drive their business to the ground...... want to continue crapping and peeing in the sandbox because to them, that is what a sandbox is. It isn't a playground for players to have fun, but rather a tool for them to have fun at the expense of others. Learn what a sandbox is and you'll soon realize that crying whenever CCP plugs your griefing mechanisms won't help you much.

...you do realize that the ones whining here are the OP, you, and the others crying about the changes to come, don't you? I suggest you take your own advice, grow up and accept the consequences and risk for your actions, you self-entitled whiner. Or find another venue to relieve your frustrations and inadequacies of grief. Or get professional help. Whatever.

CCP on numerous occasions has admitted that hi sec war decs and other PVP mechanics in hi sec are used primarily as grief tools. And they've also stated they are not satisfied with these mechanics. And precisely because of this it makes perfect sense they are changing things around. I don't expect those using these mechanics to be happy once they're plugged. Make no mistake, grief players will need to be making some changes to their style if they wish to continue peeing in the pool. And to be honest, I expect them to come up with ways to continue and try making others' playing experience miserable for their own amusement. And I expect CCP to continue balancing the mechanics. And I also expect hi sec grief players to continue to whine.

And what about those corps'es / alliances who doesn't war dec tings in empire for doing griefing?

There are many things I'd like to see fixed in eve.

You high-sec gankers pulling t3 bc's out of orca's and killing some noob in his itty 4 are one of them.

You make me sick, you can't PVP obviously or you would be. You don't belong in this forum or any of the others. You're about a half step up from botters.

Really glad they are getting rid of can flippers too - can't even imagine how many noobs this has put off the game over the years.

If you want to PVP there are plenty of places to do it without harassing people who don't care for it.

The fact there are people who want to PVP and people who don't want to PVP and the game caters for both is what makes it a sandbox, not you getting to do whatever you want to do at others expense.

PVP games need PVPers, not griefers.

There are many things I'd like to see fixed in eve.

You high-sec gankers pulling t3 bc's out of orca's and killing some noob in his itty 4 are one of them.

You make me sick, you can't PVP obviously or you would be. You don't belong in this forum or any of the others. You're about a half step up from botters.

Really glad they are getting rid of can flippers too - can't even imagine how many noobs this has put off the game over the years.

If you want to PVP there are plenty of places to do it without harassing people who don't care for it.

The fact there are people who want to PVP and people who don't want to PVP and the game caters for both is what makes it a sandbox, not you getting to do whatever you want to do at others expense.

PVP games need PVPers, not griefers.

Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak.

Tell the gatecamp story to our Titan pilot who got his titan shoved into his brown eye by faction war duders. I know that your post was sarcastic but many people might take it seriously. Bunch of small and large corps are living in losec and doing just fine.

Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.

What are you on about, fool?

Gankers are completely safe surrounded by CONCORD? Are you on drugs? Or just kind of like the wacky uncle in the attic?

Concord is vaporizing my ships when GCC'd, and if its not Concord its endless waves of Faction Navy.

Suicide gankers take a risk with every single attack. A calculated risk, but a risk, nonetheless.

And what about those corps'es / alliances who doesn't war dec tings in empire for doing griefing?

Tell the gatecamp story to our Titan pilot who got his titan shoved into his brown eye by faction war duders. I know that your post was sarcastic but many people might take it seriously. Bunch of small and large corps are living in losec and doing just fine.

Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

The moment that happens, I'm out of the game. They've nearly lost me over the wardec exploit stupidity.

Insert 3-4 paragraph long bitchpost about how you don't want to deal with the consequences of your actions and need to go to nullsec and learn to do "real pvp" here.

Rebuttal pointing out that losing sec status when the other party consents to PVP is absurd.

Retardedly long post vaugely mentioning something about "higsec pvp cearebears" but failing to address any actual issues or even make sense.

I'd love to see what you guys are talking about, but I can't look far enough back in the announcements to see it... CCP 2 gud.

However, I think getting global aggression for things to used to give corp or individual aggression is a VERY bad move. Basically, I can't do anything in highsec now without being blown up. Because you can pretty much guarantee anybody who goes flashy red is gonna die unless the system is pretty much empty. I've been a member of enough frig roams where an unfortunate -10 landed on us to know that flashy reds in highsec get blown up. And not only that, but you can't even defend yourself without losing sec status, forcing people who still want to pvp in highsec to become missionbears in their spare time just to keep their sec up.

Wait... How do you accept a 1v1 then?

I like it how people whine about station games and then advocate for mechanics that would basically force all non-war highsec PVP to occur on stations.

People still don't get what the actual issue.

In any event, it's all just conjecture until CCP puts in a dev blog... THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. Until then, I shall wait.

Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

I look at this as (and I'm going wayyy back on this one) grey status in Ultima Online. If you perform a criminal act you are in fact, a criminal. In UO if you were grey you had better watch your back, and it was all based on karma AKA sec status. The more criminal acts you racked up the lower your karma and you would then become Perma grey until you raised your karma. Guess what? No one likes criminals. A criminal is an outlaw supposed to live on the fringes of society. Society as a whole should not tolerate criminals. This does *NOT* mean that high sec should not have PVP. This also does not mean that EVE shouldn't have criminals. What happens in real life if you steal a car? The police hunt you down and capture you. This also means that you are on the run. You don't get help from people because they don't want to be associated with you.

I would like someone to try to steal a car in a busy parking lot in the south and see what happens. It wouldn't take long for every gun toting redneck (which is all of them ) to swarm you.

Why should EVE be any different? (other than the redneck part. I really don't want to see gun racks and confederate flags flying on ships)

Vexx



**Note: I do not support or endorse stealing of anything in the real world so please, don't do it.

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Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

I don't know, if its not PvP, How about we call it PvC?

Carebears aren't really 'people' after all (mostly botters in my experience), so would calling it PvC would distinguish the two and not offend our 'nullsec PVP' betters?

Wat u tink, guvnor?

Is "PvC" a 'good enough' label for popping, oh, almost 600 Exhumers in 3 months......SOLO?


I think dealing about 115 Billion ISK in damage to the mining community - with only occasional play - is just a bit more than 'carebear ratting', so you might want to climb down from your pedestal.

After all, I don't see very many kills on YOUR ledger........that aren't shared by 50 other people.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

This could however cause an unforeseen bonus in the new player systems. As everyone knows, there are people who sit in new player systems can baiting. Usually there are 2 or 3 of these guys bating. With the proposed changes, when a new player falls for the "free stuff" bait, instead of surprise butt seks from one thrasher, he/she will enjoy a surprise gang bang from many thrashers. And, all of the baiters will now be able to get in on the km. Just think of all the time this will save the baiters.

Happens in real life as well. You steal from a guy, he pulls a gun, you shoot him: you go away for a long time.

there are people who sit in new player systems can baiting. Usually there are 2 or 3 of these guys bating. With the proposed changes, when a new player falls for the "free stuff" bait, instead of surprise butt seks from one thrasher, he/she will enjoy a surprise gang bang from many thrashers.

Well where I come from, if you get caught walking out someones front door with his TV in the middle of the night,
he pulls a gun and shoots you... he goes to jail for murder/attempted murder.

Ones right to protect their property is never held higher than anothers right to live, at least in my country.

That thief above better not do that in Texas and a buncha other southern and some midwestern states. Some places still allow people to defend their property, even their neighbors too, thankfully. Risk/reward. Forget the north east and the left coast though, it's generally open season on law abiding citizens there.

-10 players would actually be welcomed at lowsec stations where pirate factions control it...and positive standings players would be shot at by the station guns, the npc police and possibly the gate guns, depending on the security status of the system.

Except that even if someone shoots you, you won't be able to shoot them back without going GCC.

This... Would be most excellent!

If I had a rookie ship kill on a day old noob I'd quit.