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Lazuran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in.
And every time someone builds a pretty castle in the sandbox, some idle CCP guy comes along and smashes it with the nerf bat.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Pilot Abilene Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in.
And every time someone builds a pretty castle in the sandbox, some idle CCP guy comes along and smashes it with the nerf bat.
Sounds like your usual day at the beach, doesn't it ? Except it's waves, not a nerfbat.
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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WAuter
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:16:00 -
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What goes up, must come down...someday.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2008 10:17:59
Originally by: WAuter What goes up, must come down...someday.
Unless it was launched above escape velocity... Linkage
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Pilot Abilene Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in.
And every time someone builds a pretty castle in the sandbox, some idle CCP guy comes along and smashes it with the nerf bat.
Except some people like to bend the rules and pop a bit of cement mix in their castle, making it overpowered comapred to the other sandcastles.
Metaphores Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Pilot Abilene Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in.
And every time someone builds a pretty castle in the sandbox, some idle CCP guy comes along and smashes it with the nerf bat.
Except some people like to bend the rules and pop a bit of cement mix in their castle, making it overpowered comapred to the other sandcastles.
Metaphores
Well, if you can afford a BoBdozer, it's no problem
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:24:00 -
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NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. -
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Kepakh
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Pilot Abilene Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in.
And every time someone builds a pretty castle in the sandbox, some idle CCP guy comes along and smashes it with the nerf bat.
Sounds like your usual day at the beach, doesn't it ? Except it's waves, not a nerfbat.
You don't throw 38$ into ocean to make waves, do you?
One Carebear to rule them all, One Carebear to find them, One Carebear to bring them all and in the web range bind them. |
Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:37:00 -
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As I see it we're past the "lack of competition" part, we're in the "end of product cycle" I think. Mind you that doesn't mean the end of the game but it does have it's impact on decisions, ideals and goals the devs have and make.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kepakh You don't throw 38$ into the ocean every 2 months if you're using an antiquated pre-paid billing system to make waves, do you?
FTP, and no, waves are free of charge.
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Siberys
Gallente Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Siberys on 26/08/2008 10:47:30
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2008 10:17:59
Originally by: WAuter What goes up, must come down...someday.
Unless it was launched above escape velocity... Linkage
Speaking of escape velocity... First spaceship game I ever liked. Linkage
You could board ships in that! Hint, hint, CCP. |
Zantei
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada As I see it we're past the "lack of competition" part, we're in the "end of product cycle" I think. Mind you that doesn't mean the end of the game but it does have it's impact on decisions, ideals and goals the devs have and make.
In all fairness, Eve has been going on much longer than anyone could have ever predicted. It's just that around this time, like you say, the staff start making needless changes in an almost liberal fashion without taking the care to make sure balance and playability are maintained.
Rigs didn't do anything, they just complicated things. Capitals not being able to leave 0.0 space seems a bit artificial. POS warfare is a zzzz fest. Faction warfare is so 'whatever'.
Ambulation will add much to Eve, I'm looking forward to some mini games. I've been asking for features like these since Ultima Online. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran So in other words, it's a good idea for noobs to specialize right from the start so that they can compete with 70m SP players with their 6-7m SP because their skills are all focused on one particular ship and setup?
The one CCP is going to nerf next?
FOTM riders always get nerfed, so the smart new player would choose what _he_ likes to do in-game. Though if he's the kind of guy that likes to go FOTM then there's not much we can do... You can't nerf idiocy. |
Patsy kavanagh
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Akita T Jumpgate is just a freaking Freelancer clone with even less appeal as the original. So, no, it won't, or it won't be.
Ah but now you're thinking from personal view, many EVE players are actually waiting for the "freelancer clone" and it MIGHT boost things.
I know I am.
Been playing eve since 2004 but nowadays it has got a bit samey, that and pos wars really suck.
Really, all thats keeping me here at the mo is my mates and the lack of anywhere else to go.
Some of its probably down to me...
But I can't wait till jumpgates out for some nice fast twitch based gameplay, with all the tactical thought that eve involves as you'll still be fitting ships and flying with your mates.
Wouldn't supprise me if theres a large part of eves userbase who are going to try it out certainly most of the peeps who were flying nanos and who are always asking for joystick flight etc...
Oh and as for jumpgate being a freelancer clone, I think you should get your facts right, the original jumpgate was released on sept 25th 2001, where as freelancer was released in march 2003 and the new jumpgate is just an update of the old one, which is still going by the way.
Though speaking of freelancer, i might have to dig it out it'l give me something fun to play while i wait for jumpgate.
PS would be posting with my main but i've let the subscription expire. |
fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.26 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I could go on and on about it, but I fail to see a point...
Does every game have to have the competition element in it? Competition in Eve is optional. Always has been and always will be. If you disagree Eve is not meant for you.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2008 11:02:19
Originally by: fuze Does every game have to have the competition element in it?
Yes. Otherwise it's not a GAME. It's a... what do you call it ? Well, not GAME, anyway.
P.S. And no, "sandbox" is not the term I was looking for either.
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rolaand
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:10:00 -
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they need to add a grind element to skills. something that will add on top of your current skill. something incredibly miniscule like .00001% per shot or something.
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fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Yes. Otherwise it's not a GAME. It's a... what do you call it ? Well, not GAME, anyway.
P.S. And no, "sandbox" is not the term I was looking for either.
game 1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: 2. a. A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: ... yadayadayada
See?
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fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: rolaand they need to add a grind element to skills. something that will add on top of your current skill. something incredibly miniscule like .00001% per shot or something.
The took that out of the game end of 2003 because it was abused by all the 'cool kids'. |
rolaand
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: rolaand they need to add a grind element to skills. something that will add on top of your current skill. something incredibly miniscule like .00001% per shot or something.
The took that out of the game end of 2003 because it was abused by all the 'cool kids'.
they should add it back. if you make it small enough, it will just be a natural progression of increasing skill, instead of something that can be 'sploited' Hell make it 100,000 shots per % or even a million shots. Of course make it so it only applies to shots that hit legitimate targets, not some can you jettisoned.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Redroom Eleven
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:20:00 -
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General point not aimed at anyone.
I think boredom sets in when people cling to a particular style of gameplay and then wonder why the game is getting repetitve. There's too much in the game for it to get completely tedious if you're willing to change it up ever now and again and keep it fresh for yourself.
CCP will always have to respond to what's happening in MMO's even if its not always in the same genre, so 'fluff' is to be expected.
We could always go play something else.
Couldn't we?
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Ah but now you're thinking from personal view, many EVE players are actually waiting for the "freelancer clone" and it MIGHT boost things.
Looking for a new space MMO is a bit, how to put it, futile as many developers don't want to start a "war" with EVE as it's quite dominating in its field.
Please, people are already complaining about lag over there with a dozen people fighting in the same system.
Heh, which game are you talking about? :D
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Souvera Corvus We could always go play something else.
The only game that beats EVE is Outside™, and I got bored of it already.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:36:00 -
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All they need to do, is make low sec worthwhile for "carebears". Sen ideas like moving all ice fields there etc.
Atm, low sec isnt needed at all, and if they changed it so it was needed in some way, they whole game would change, everyone would have a ton of fun.
Roll on the nano nerf btw, cant wait for that to come.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Skye All they need to do, is make low sec worthwhile for "carebears". Sen ideas like moving all ice fields there etc.
Atm, low sec isnt needed at all, and if they changed it so it was needed in some way, they whole game would change, everyone would have a ton of fun.
Roll on the nano nerf btw, cant wait for that to come.
YOu do realise that 0.0 alliances run pos too? I doubt they would want to go there to get their ice, so huge inflation, or alternatively, nobody mines any ice (did you know a single cycle is several min long?), and all the alliances lose sov as their pos run out of fuel.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:49:00 -
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It would be a good thing actually, you'd see less POS spam, and less remote area control. Would make low sec more important, create more competition and icemining would actually become an industry for actual players instead of afk alts.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: rolaand they should add it back. if you make it small enough, it will just be a natural progression of increasing skill, instead of something that can be 'sploited' Hell make it 100,000 shots per % or even a million shots. Of course make it so it only applies to shots that hit legitimate targets, not some can you jettisoned.
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Lack of competition.
First off 'fluff' isn't always a bad thing. I think I mentioned it once before but adding fluff can be good for a MMO. Not everybody will be as happy about it, but that's each to his/her own.
And then there is lack of competition. I remember how AoC (Age of Conan) was supposed to have a big impact and 'topple WoW from the throne'. Sure alot of people went to AoC to try it out, but the drop out on AoC was incredible high after 1-2 months already.
A 'possible' competitor could be STO (Star Trek Online), but that game, with still years before release, already looks outdated (on a sidenote CCP take their asteroid belts, they seemed to look ok ).
If , in my personal opinion, there would ever be a good competitor (if it is worked out well), it would probably be * Dune Online *. Until then I keep enyoing myself with EVE and related EVE projects.
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plazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:55:00 -
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I dont think Eve is dieing but to me it is being turned into a shoot-em up game. When I first started playing Eve industry was tops for new players and pvp was done mainly in 0.0 and some low sec.Now you get roaming gangs of destroyers ganking any one they see at roid belts or gates making life for new and old players difficult who just want to mine and produce items. Players may think we have to adapt but just training to destroyer and completly killing the game for others will evetually kill Eve. The way its going can see the pvp brigade demanding capture the flag etc that runs in other pvp games, we might aswell all head to jita and have last man standing.
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Hakkan Koftar
Minmatar Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
So in other words, it's a good idea for noobs to specialize right from the start so that they can compete with 70m SP players with their 6-7m SP because their skills are all focused on one particular ship and setup?
The one CCP is going to nerf next?
Friends > skillpoints.
Try increasing one, while waiting for the other.
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