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ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:32:00 - [151] What nerf to pve are you talking about? You don't think whiners = policy do you? I've seen people whine all day about certain things, for years in fact and it never got changed because it WASN'T broken. The things that have got changed were broken. nos nerf balanced vampire setups, mainly the domi where its primary weapons were drones. The way nos was negated the need for neutralizers. It was the opposite of the nano*gotry we will see come to an end soon but not soon enough. You couldn't defend yourself and most couldn't fight back. Nerfing it brought nos in line and broke the gallante flavor of the month deal. Nanonerf will break the crap where its impossible to do damage to someone or hit them. Even if you could hit them they could still flee at will as though they were using a rack of prenerfed warpstabs. Bringing up prenerf warpstabs, I'm sure not a lot of people miss that crap since it was essentially nano on the cheap. Your about to get killed?? thats fine cause you got +3 warpstrength over the other side's tacklers that are all over you. Or is it the change to ganking in highsec thats the problem? Is it really going to be such a massive change that people that made big money off of it will decide to do overpowered l4s instead? Or will they simply say F*it, lets do it anyways!". I haven't seen real deal breaking nerfs thrown at the player base. As for the capital ship in empire nerf , who cares? That effected a whole.....handful of people? If you really want to see capital ships, i mean really just have to see them, make an alt, get in a shuttle and run for the latest bob fight and check out their batch of titans. That change isn't going to hurt the majority of players or even the minority since i dont call a few people the minority out of 20k people on at once. its microscopic at best. Why did they change it? Don't know, don't care and im sure theres a reason for it that won't matter to me or the vast majority of eve players. The only real big nerfs i know of have held the game back. Things that caused the game to become the same old thing as everyone starts going for a specific set up or even the same exact ship with just 1 or 2 ships able to counter it other then a clone. Each race should be just as viable in pvp as the next. Each ship of the same class of a different race should be a threat to each other and smaller ships. SHips that are designed for speed should be the ones with the top speed while bigger ,slower ships should never be able to compete especially while sporting better shields,armor and firepower. What I do see is ccp breaking down the brick walls that EVE has been running into for as long as I have been a player in it.
Reyoun Tenacious Danes Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:42:00 - [152] Originally by: Akita T And, after you play a couple more months after a wipe, ANOTHER newcomer decides everybody is to old for them, and demands yet another server wipe. Hell, we should just have a server wipe every month ! Why, you know, how about DAILY wipes instead ?[/sarcasm] Seriously, sometimes, the capacity of people to post things without thinking about any sort of consequences their suggestions might entail still can shock me at times. Instead of flaming why don't you contribute with ideas to solve the problem? We all know this is a serious problem and a large reason why many newbies stop playing or won't even bother doing the trial. As late as last night I talked to a buddy who plays WOW, I was trying to convince him to play EvE instead and this was exactly the excuse he gave me to not even try the game. I personally found my thing in EvE and won't stop playing because I'm far behind. But I know for a fact that's not how it goes for a lot of other people. (Besides, I would love to see the game evolve from the day 1 with 2 million players all equal on skills and Isk). I'm pretty confident though that it will never happen and maybe it's best that way. But you can't get around this being a problem. Ball is yours.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:00:00 - [153] Originally by: Reyoun Originally by: Akita T And, after you play a couple more months after a wipe, ANOTHER newcomer decides everybody is to old for them, and demands yet another server wipe. Hell, we should just have a server wipe every month ! Why, you know, how about DAILY wipes instead ?[/sarcasm] Seriously, sometimes, the capacity of people to post things without thinking about any sort of consequences their suggestions might entail still can shock me at times. Instead of flaming why don't you contribute with ideas to solve the problem? We all know this is a serious problem and a large reason why many newbies stop playing or won't even bother doing the trial. As late as last night I talked to a buddy who plays WOW, I was trying to convince him to play EvE instead and this was exactly the excuse he gave me to not even try the game. I personally found my thing in EvE and won't stop playing because I'm far behind. But I know for a fact that's not how it goes for a lot of other people. (Besides, I would love to see the game evolve from the day 1 with 2 million players all equal on skills and Isk). I'm pretty confident though that it will never happen and maybe it's best that way. But you can't get around this being a problem. Ball is yours. I don't see how what you quoted was a "problem". Seriously who would still play if they did a server wipe? I'd go find something else to do instead of waiting for months to get skills trained up to then spend a full month to train certain level 5s id never want to do again. Time=SP="skill" to some degree. I wouldn't want to play eve after a wipe even if it was grind based. Who really looks back at their time in a game and go "damn i wish i could grind all that crap over again, damn it was fuN!!!!". If for some reason someone did they could by making an alt. They can have their masochistic fun without ****ing off the majority of the playerbase. No one plays a game for the grind factor. If your friend in wow said no to eve because of the difference in sp between a noob and someone thats been around for years, how is that a surprise? Ask him if he would want to keep playing wow if some new players complained that everyone was max level and had the best gear and wanted a server wipe. Would he still resub and start all over again at level 1 with only that character? chances are he would say no just due to the time it would take. Of course there would be the idea that blizzard just stabbed him and the rest of the wow population for a few people that haven't played the game. how bout instead of complaining about people saying the truth you go and actually consider how stupid a wipe would be and why your friend plays wow. some of the things people post on the forum is amazingly stupid and lacks any thought beyond the immediate thought. Seriously how many customers would ccp lose vs how many they would gain with a server wipe? Would your friend HONESTLY play eve if they did such a stupid thing?
Reyoun Tenacious Danes Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:11:00 - [154] Edited by: Reyoun on 27/08/2008 13:12:31 Edited by: Reyoun on 27/08/2008 13:11:38 How do you suggest this problem could be solved now that you are so smart and I'm the one just posting stupid things? Oh, you have no clue! besides, you don't give a s.hit because it's not your problem? I'm not saying a server wipe would be a good idea, I'm mentioning it as a way to solve the problem but of course it's unrealistic. that's also why I suggested that CCP could start another server, but then again, that wouldn't be a way of solving the problem either. I'm sorry for ruining your forum experience and annoying your mighty brains with my stupidity by posting bull, but seriously, this is a very big problem, if EvE wish to stay in business, the older players wish to keep playing and further more wish for the player base to grow. I thought this was common knowledge? Yet, i see no solutions.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:15:00 - [155] Originally by: Reyoun Instead of flaming why don't you contribute with ideas to solve the problem? We all know this is a serious problem and a large reason why many newbies stop playing or won't even bother doing the trial. Because there IS NO problem. It might be one of the reasons SOME refuse to start playing, but it's by far and large NOT a huge problem. I see older players selling their characters for ISK and starting from scratch all the time, I see newbies buying old characters and having no clue what to do with it. Also, the so-called issue... well, players start now with 800+k worth of skills in 20-30-ish USEFUL skills (you used to have to play for over a month AND spend some good amount of ISK to get to that point), advanced learning skills prerequisites were dropped from L5 basic to L4 basic (which means that with the least bit of ISK and minimal additional time you further increase your training time on average by another 30-ish percent compared to the start of a player from 2 years ago), IMPLANTS GOT DIRT CHEAP, a set of +3 is trivial to get, etc. Compared to when I started this char (whoa, L4 basic learnings and +1 implants after a month, with barely about half a mil of non-learning SP... oh yes, I ROCK, rofl), new players have it so easy that it's almost laughable. Also, SURE, you WON'T be able to compete 1-vs-1 with a dozens-of-mil-SP veteran in your first month... but you'll be pretty damned freaking close in performance with a cheap-ish PvP setup. Two or three of you with a bit of training WILL be able to kill him in a 3-vs-1 scenario. So, yeah, there's no DIRECT powerlevelling, and there's no immediate level cap... but then again SP difference matters a lot less compared to numbers. SURE, somebody with a lot of experience under their belt AND loads more SP AND pretty expensive fits WILL whoop your ass even if there's several of you AND you're all inexperienced... but what the hell do you expect ? And, FYI, there's enough "carebear" vets that create fresh PvP alts instead of skilling up their mains... the clone system and their heads full of precious implants they want to keep on using makes them want another char for that. Last but not least, you're MORE than free to just quasi-powerlevel: * buy GTCs from retailer * sell GTCs for ISK to other players * buy high-SP character The sad part is that right now, the cost of skills PLUS the cost of GTCs that would be needed to raise SP to that level is usually MUCH HIGHER than the ISK price high-SP characters go for. So, there you have it... it's not only faster, but also CHEAPER to just buy an older char. And there's friggin loads of them around. Quote: As late as last night I talked to a buddy who plays WOW, I was trying to convince him to play EvE instead and this was exactly the excuse he gave me to not even try the game. Apparently you believe this is actually an issue yourself, otherwise you would have explained to him that it's not. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:46:00 - [156] Originally by: Reyoun angry venting followed by silence Cat got your tongue ? _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:07:00 - [157] And before I forget it AGAIN... ...the EVE-Wiki they've been promising for YEARS (in some form or another) We even had a devblog about it, blah blah in testing blah... then utter and complete silence. It's a WIKI dammit, what the hell is taking so long ? I've seen snails crawl faster. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:16:00 - [158] Originally by: Akita T And, after you play a couple more months after a wipe, ANOTHER newcomer decides everybody is to old for them, and demands yet another server wipe. Hell, we should just have a server wipe every month ! Why, you know, how about DAILY wipes instead ?[/sarcasm] Seriously, sometimes, the capacity of people to post things without thinking about any sort of consequences their suggestions might entail still can shock me at times. And YOU are who again? Oh noone, just like the rest of us, sorry, I forgot. If you are that ****y, I suggest you go find a hooker and get laid. I've been playing since beta-4. I could give a rats a s s if you like my oppinion or not, you've obviously spent many a post in here voicing yours so I will voice mine. Don't like it, don't read it. My post wasn't directed at anything in here as I only read the first page. Any game gets old after awhile, much less 5 years of it. And you say consequences? What consequences might that be....YOU and I and everyone else starting from scratch, just like we did that fateful day 5+ years ago? Excuse me while I p i s s in your cherrios a little more. Are you that obsessed with stoking yourself with all the make-believe stuff you have in this game that you can't fathom doing it all again? I do believe I know the answer to that question already so I won't go any further. I don't know abotu anyone else but a good "restart" now and then is a healthy thing. Especially with people like you who are a little too obsessed and psychotic with the way things are in the game right now.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:22:00 - [159] Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2008 03:23:00 Originally by: Arlenna Molatov My post wasn't directed at anything in here as I only read the first page. Then why did you feel the need to quote a very specific post of mine that was NOT on the first page ? While completely ignoring the follow-up to that post ? Quote: Are you that obsessed with stoking yourself with all the make-believe stuff you have in this game that you can't fathom doing it all again? Let's see... two years of skill training, ISK spent on skills and implants, assets and whatnot, everything wiped ? You bet your ass I won't be doing them again, and at least 80% of the current population wouldn't either. Quote: I don't know abotu anyone else but a good "restart" now and then is a healthy thing. If disgusted looks could kill, the fallout would wipe out the universe. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Wrayeth Trans Eve Organization	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:25:00 - [160] Originally by: Akita T Let's see... two years of skill training, ISK spent on skills and implants, assets and whatnot, everything wiped ? You bet your ass I won't be doing them again, and at least 80% of the current population wouldn't either. This. Except it's 4 years, in my case. I can finally fly most of the ships and setups that I want, and I'll be damned if I want to start over again flying ships I dislike. Quote: I don't know abotu anyone else but a good "restart" now and then is a healthy thing. It depends on what you're restarting. For EVE...just NO. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:28:00 - [161] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2008 03:23:00 Originally by: Arlenna Molatov My post wasn't directed at anything in here as I only read the first page. Then why did you feel the need to quote a very specific post of mine that was NOT on the first page ? While completely ignoring the follow-up to that post ? Quote: Are you that obsessed with stoking yourself with all the make-believe stuff you have in this game that you can't fathom doing it all again? Let's see... two years of skill training, ISK spent on skills and implants, assets and whatnot, everything wiped ? You bet your ass I won't be doing them again, and at least 80% of the current population wouldn't either. Quote: I don't know abotu anyone else but a good "restart" now and then is a healthy thing. If disgusted looks could kill, the fallout would wipe out the universe. And it was YOU that quoted my post. If you bothered to LOOK, my first post in the whole thread was merely my thought on the whole thing. And I certainly didn't quote YOU as, again, you are a nobody in a sea of nobodies. And like I said, you don't like what I say, then dont f**king read it and certainly don't quote it in another post BTW- you really need to get laid. Really. Last time I checked, you don't speak for any % of the player base, so you can stuff your self-righteousness back up your a s s there mate.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:30:00 - [162] Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2008 03:34:40 Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Last time I checked, you don't speak for any % of the player base, so you can stuff your self-righteousness back up your a s s there mate. Want a show of hands on that one ? Quote: And like I said, you don't like what I say, then dont fking read it and certainly don't quote it in another post If I don't like what you say, I will explain to you in painful, excruciating details why exactly you're wrong. Quote: BTW- you really need to get laid. Really. Words fail me again in describing just how wrong you can possibly be with this statement. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix**
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:31:00 - [163] Anyway CCP can replace the player base? I've seen corporation fire older employees, maybe CCP can learn from this
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:33:00 - [164] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Last time I checked, you don't speak for any % of the player base, so you can stuff your self-righteousness back up your a s s there mate. Want a show of hands on that one ? I really don't care. I stated my thought on it and if you can't possibly accept someone else's thoughts then...well....too bad
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:36:00 - [165] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I really don't care. I stated my thought on it and if you can't possibly accept someone else's thoughts then...well....too bad ACCEPT a thought ? As in, acknowledge its existance ? Sure do. But as in "agree with it even if it's downright moronic" ? HELL NO. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Arkadrel	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:53:00 - [166] resetting a mmo goes against any mmo fundimentals. so text based games like Utopia (games.swirve.com) have ages where you play and the game is about getting to the top by use of best stragatie (each age all the stats ect are changed so what worked one age probably wont the next). mmos always head forwards, I think there should just be constantly added more content.
Rifter Drifter Minmatar Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight	Posted - 2008.08.28 03:59:00 - [167] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/08/2008 03:37:23 Originally by: Arlenna Molatov I really don't care. I stated my thought on it and if you can't possibly accept someone else's thoughts then...well....too bad ACCEPT a thought ? As in, acknowledge its existance ? Sure do. But as in "agree with it even if it's downright moronic" ? HELL NO. Let me say this again : the IDEA of RESETTING the game is MORONIC. THIS IS CORRECT that other stupid person needs to shush.. on these here forumz akita generally speaks wise words
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.28 04:14:00 - [168] This isn't diablo II ladders you know. I'm with the 'hell no' to the restart crowd. Yeah, not quite 2 years old. But as above, I'm finally getting to the point where I can fly and fit things. Months of waiting on useless timesink skills to get here. A restart would definitely send me packing. 3 years from now? Who knows. But right now it'd be a definite.

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