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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2008 07:42:07
There's no other MMO out there that can even begin to compete with EVE.
EVE is in no danger of "dying" no matter how many critical mistakes the devs make (which, IMHO, they have been making).
But the lack of competition means the only things CCP focuses on is "fluff".
The hardcore playerbase is here to stay, the ones drawn by its unique features.
Problem is, again, since there's no competition, so the core playerbase isn't going to go away, the only way to draw more people in is useless (to the core demographic) features and changes.
I could go on and on about it, but I fail to see a point...
It's like preaching to both the choir and a herd of deaf-mute people without using graphical aids.
Or, you know, Hans Blix writing angry letters to Kim Jong-il.
Meh.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:43:00 -
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There's no competition right now, but Earthrise looks promising.
It will do some good to Eve, having a serious competitor. Maybe after that you won't need a to wait a year to get something fixed.
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:45:00 -
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I log on to change skills... that's about it right now.
I suppose I should be playing more since I'm signing up for a ball-n-chain next month, but I keep finding excuses not to... like replaying HL2 episodes over again for the 100th time 
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:45:00 -
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You sound like my grandfather when he was going on about his Rover 75. He always maintained that it was a great car with many unique features. Well that was until Rover went bust.
The wittle Wii has shown that the future of gaming is not catering to the hardcore gamers, but to the girlies. So to CCP I say....
Adapt or Die.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:46:00 -
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Earthrise is no competition.
First off, it doesn't have the skill system EVE has (there's a grind element related to the advancement of skills), and second no similar MMO ever "snatched" people out of established MMO membership with a similar gameplay.
At best, it will serve as an alternative to new players, but the core EVE players will stay (or at least come back to) EVE sooner rather than later.
This concludes the off-topicness reply 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Banana Torres
The wittle Wii has shown that the future of gaming is not catering to the hardcore gamers, but to the girlies. So to CCP I say.... Adapt or Die.
The fact that the skill system is grind-independant (or at least not closely tied to it, implants are negligible compared to the rest of the training speed) DOES make EVE a "casual game", at least for those who want to engage in it that way.
If anything, CCP has adapted long beofre it was even needed 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:48:00 -
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They've been concentrating on the "hardcore" stuff for years, i say bring on the fluff for a change.
Especially RP fluff 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 07:50:00 -
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Well, it's not a whine, it's not a suggestion, it's just a statement of "things are like this because this is the only logical conclusion to the existing state of affairs"
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:04:00 -
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Bye bye nano age!
I cant wait to get back to the good old days!
Oh wait thats not a moon...
How many titans have we counted so far? -10 or so that have died?
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Siberys on 26/08/2008 08:12:15
Edited by: Siberys on 26/08/2008 08:11:24
You know what I think? Have monthly events with goals, and have people sign up for these events. Then the people who signed get missions like 'Kill 500k rats before the end of this month' or 'build 1000 cruisers'. These missions are 'scored' by the whole group, so the total is collective. At the end of the month, if they made the goal, all the participants would get a free item related to what they had done. The rat people might get a large amount of faction ammo, the industrialists might get a crappy 1 run T2 BPC, and so on.
It's all stuff they would do anyway, and would give people some incentive to play more IMO.
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari
Serpentine Dream Theory
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:14:00 -
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Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in. It's not their fault the community has never fully taken hold of said concept and made New Eden a living, breathing and prospering universe like the devs envision. People take the whole "sandbox" concept out of context and think it means they can do what they want, when they want to anyone they want and so on...which is true, but in the end once you kill everything off what is left and what's the point?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene
Why blame CCP?
Who's blaming them ?
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene
Why blame CCP? they gave us the sandbox to play in. It's not their fault the community has never fully taken hold of said concept and made New Eden a living, breathing and prospering universe like the devs envision. People take the whole "sandbox" concept out of context and think it means they can do what they want, when they want to anyone they want and so on...which is true, but in the end once you kill everything off what is left and what's the point?
Yea. I know because a lot of my friends take this game a bit seriously. They are constantly telling me 'How can you use all you chars equally?' or 'YTF are you training that, it's not the best' or 'Wow, you suck at PvP, you don't have a nano.'
And I constantly tell them that's because I embrace the massive size and scope of this game. I've spent the past few months collecting interesting moments in the game, and I've spent a lot of time finding stunning places and other things ingame. But of course, living with the universe we have now, I could almost question whether people notice that maybe you don't have to be a money hoarder or maybe the one-man corp who has a guy in a frigate flying through your 0.0 gatecamp isn't going to nuke your capital fleet. I've had more fun with EVE than with other MMOs because the world is so vast, and the content so varied.
To state the fact again, it's not the world, it's the people.
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Pilot Abilene
Why blame CCP?
Who's blaming them ?
The whiners, because they can't have universal power.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Banana Torres
The wittle Wii has shown that the future of gaming is not catering to the hardcore gamers, but to the girlies. So to CCP I say.... Adapt or Die.
The fact that the skill system is grind-independant (or at least not closely tied to it, implants are negligible compared to the rest of the training speed) DOES make EVE a "casual game", at least for those who want to engage in it that way.
If anything, CCP has adapted long beofre it was even needed
But at the same time, it really puts the newer players off to see that it takes 2 years to get good PVP skills...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:48:00 -
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I like the game as it is, so let them add fluff. The more well-rounded the game is, the more likely I, for one, am to stick with it.
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DesuSigs |
my junky
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:52:00 -
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Opem a new server and start again.
New players would stand a chance against vets, it would be a few years before Capitals Online returns, no T2 BPOs, lots of new alliances to be formed and 0.0 space to be fought over. The good-old-days would be back. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Pilot Abilene
Why blame CCP?
Who's blaming them ?
Oh go on then , ill do it
SKUNK
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: my junky
New players would stand a chance against vets
Sigh
Originally by: my junky
The good-old-days would be back.
EVE was never good.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.26 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Banana Torres
The wittle Wii has shown that the future of gaming is not catering to the hardcore gamers, but to the girlies. So to CCP I say.... Adapt or Die.
The fact that the skill system is grind-independant (or at least not closely tied to it, implants are negligible compared to the rest of the training speed) DOES make EVE a "casual game", at least for those who want to engage in it that way.
If anything, CCP has adapted long beofre it was even needed
But at the same time, it really puts the newer players off to see that it takes 2 years to get good PVP skills...
Someones gonna pipe in now with the lie that skillpoints dont matter, and how once he heard of a noob in a rifter killing an afk ratting raven.
SKUNK
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Ciryadin
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Someones gonna pipe in now with the lie that skillpoints dont matter, and how once he heard of a noob in a rifter killing an afk ratting raven.
SKUNK
Actually i killed Shrikes titan with a velator.
Took me ages though. 
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:08:00 -
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I dunno, I think the EA expansion that brought about Faction Warfare has been accepted as a good time by the playerbase despite the few dorks who said it was fail while it was in testing.
Are you saying FW is fluff and doesn't have to do with competition? I would disagree.
So you point is that new and shiny stuff is needed to keep people's attention? HOLD THE PRESSES!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Someones gonna pipe in now with the lie that skillpoints dont matter, and how once he heard of a noob in a rifter killing an afk ratting raven.
"SP don't matter" is a freaking lie.
"SP don't matter past a certain point for any specific ship" however is quite true
Devil's in the details...
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Tennoku
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:10:00 -
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Akita, I see you using words like "fluff" and "useless features and changes", but I can't work out more meat from your post. What is it, in more concrete terms, that you think is wrong with EVE and how it could be made better (if at all)?
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: my junky
Opem a new server and start again.
New players would stand a chance against vets, it would be a few years before Capitals Online returns, no T2 BPOs, lots of new alliances to be formed and 0.0 space to be fought over. The good-old-days would be back.
Yessss until we get more new players who like to whine about how it's impossible to compete with the veterans or the established 0.0 alliances.
You're either very selfish or extremely short sighted.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tennoku
What is it, in more concrete terms, that you think is wrong with EVE
Lack of competition.
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and how it could be made better (if at all)?
Nothing CCP would ever do unless poked by said inexistant competition.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:14:00 -
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Akita seriously though, i think the jumpgate(or whatever it was) will create the competition you require.
Should boost, even more, fun things into EVE 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:20:00 -
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Jumpgate is just a freaking Freelancer clone with even less appeal as the original.
So, no, it won't, or it won't be.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Jumpgate is just a freaking Freelancer clone with even less appeal as the original.
So, no, it won't, or it won't be.
Ah but now you're thinking from personal view, many EVE players are actually waiting for the "freelancer clone" and it MIGHT boost things.
Looking for a new space MMO is a bit, how to put it, futile as many developers don't want to start a "war" with EVE as it's quite dominating in its field.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.26 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Le Skunk
Someones gonna pipe in now with the lie that skillpoints dont matter, and how once he heard of a noob in a rifter killing an afk ratting raven.
"SP don't matter" is a freaking lie.
"SP don't matter past a certain point for any specific ship" however is quite true
Devil's in the details...
So in other words, it's a good idea for noobs to specialize right from the start so that they can compete with 70m SP players with their 6-7m SP because their skills are all focused on one particular ship and setup?
The one CCP is going to nerf next?
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