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Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.28 04:24:00 - [1111] So NERD RAGE ended? Good. Now lets go back playing WoW. I need to ding 70 with my druid before WotLK hits. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.28 04:26:00 - [1112] Originally by: Kuolematon So NERD RAGE ended? Good. Now lets go back playing WoW. I need to ding 70 with my druid before WotLK hits. Didn't that already come out? Oh and did you guys hear FFXI is getting a new update where you can reduce your level to party up with your lower level friends.
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.28 04:27:00 - [1113] Originally by: TamiyaCowboy i been playing since june 16th 2006, back then we had 500k sp (starting char) no warp too 0, no wrecks, no salvage. life was hard back then, it was the mad mwd rush too gates, the age of 10k bookmarks etc etc. This. I don't argue for turning the clock back or dis new players in any way, but when I created a piracy alt for some wicked fun a few weeks ago I was shocked at how good my new toon was straight out out of the starting blocks. It used to take a month of work to get to where a new player starts today. In an attempt to be relevant, when CCP makes a unilateral decision like 'we're moving call HiSec caps to LoSec' (I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time etc. etc., and there will be parallel examples in future), don't 'just do it'. Put the change up as a news item from the very top of Concord or something, make a roleplaying element and use that to test the in-game reaction. I have been playing MMOs since 1989 (text MUDs) and the basic principles remain the same: you can nerf/buff things if you give people a little notice in order to prepare for the change, but don't unexpectedly mess with a player's house/backpack/hanger. Ever. Just as players forget that GMs are trying to run a business and please thousands of selfish players, GMs forget that players have a big emotional and temporal investment in the game. Nobody gets a dreadnaught without having put a lot of thought and effort into Eve, and upsetting such a player (who is usually a role model for others) is the worst kind of negative advertising.
Semkhet Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 06:43:00 - [1114] Edited by: Semkhet on 28/08/2008 06:44:26 Originally by: Schalac I always prefer equality and fairness in video games. There are few things that I despise. First is rules applied to some and not others. Second is hackers/cheaters. Parrots that follow people around and hang on their every word like it is the word of god. Last is people that feel that because they have more levels/money/bigger guild or corp, they are "1337" and everyone should bow down to them and do everything they say because they have those things. Can anyone here honestly say though that if anyone else made this thread it would of been looked at the same way? I truly believe if I was in CHRIBBAS shoes and made a post I would not have a capital ship back in my high sec hanger right now. Still keeping this bubbling septic tank which serves you as brain going on ? - There is no asymmetric enforcement of rules. You could have been part of the pool had you enjoyed ownership of a high-sec located cap prior to the introduction of the new high-sec cap constraint rules. That you didn't is nobody's fault but yourself. - What have hackers/cheaters to do with anything related to this thread ? - Players are entitled to their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not ridiculing you because you have an opinion, but because you're spitting crappola on steroids, as simple as that. - The ingame achievements of the players who support Chribba have nothing to do with their opinion. You'll find in this thread from players having been able to buy supercaps through Chribba up to noobs who are tankful just for having been provided with the opportunity to actually see a dread. - You still fail to comprehend that one of the reasons of the uproar has been the perceived lack of consultation and/or due announcement from CCP prior to taking a decision, along with the intrinsic nonsense of said decision. - And finally, you'll have the right to compare yourself to Chribba the day you have provided during years services and bandwith to the EvE community at your sole RL expenses. That's why Chribba IS Chribba, and you, well, you're Mr. Nobody
Morning Maniac Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.08.28 06:44:00 - [1115] I too have a dread in hi sec to show to our newest members or to us as a demo. We have been in many empire wars and I have never used it because I know I am not allowed to. I don't see the problem in having these hi sec capitals with the current rules. MM http://eve-ivy.com EVE University commercial
Cay Qel'Droma Amarr RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.28 06:48:00 - [1116] This thread has over 1100 posts. I can imagine vast majority of posters, positive or negative, do not have their own cap (I'm not considering the ones that their corp or alliance bought them "cuz they can fly it", I mean earned ships). Imagine you had one built for the purpose of having it in hi sec for any purpose and you paid your ISK for it. Then CCP decides only the caps that were built in hi sec are to stay, which sounds fair to me. They were built there, after all. To finish the nice story, you get kicked out for what reason? Obeying the rules? Stop talking s*** for the sake of talking, please. Amateurs built the Arc, professionals built the Titanic.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:00:00 - [1117] Edited by: Silver Night on 28/08/2008 07:01:14 The people complaining about the change back: Was it unreasonable for Chribba to make a completely legitimate complaint here? he didn't ask for everyone to go crazy about it. You would argue what? That he not be allowed to post on the forums just like anyone else can because he is well known and loved by the community? Now who is advocating asymmetric application of the rules? For the record, as in my first post, this isn't a democracy. This isn't even a republic. This is the Kingdom of CCP. They can show favoritism if the damn well please. In this case, they didn't. Did the fact Chribba posted about it make the issue have a higher visibility than it would otherwise? Sure. Was it an unwise decision that should have been reversed regardless? Yes. The people whining about fairness need to clear the grade school propaganda out of their minds a little better. Life isn't fair. Be thankful when something you think isn't fair is something like this, that doesn't effect you in any real way. It's a game. No one is going hungry, no one is dying, your neighbor isn't even getting a greener lawn than you. Deal with it. I'm new to being in an empire PvP corp, and I understand the tears of the bitter losers in any kind of contest I am on the winning side of are supposed to be sweet nectar to me. It is in the griefing brochure. I'm not good at it yet though apparently, because reading some of the downright stupid, pedantic, petty replies here only further lower my opinion of my fellow players. At least my opinion of CCP is at last raising its bloodied form from the foot of the massive cliff it jumped off of and has been tumbling down pretty much since they implemented POS warfare. Maybe it will start climbing back up again with the winter patch. Or even a reasonable compromise for the nano-nerf, though I'm not holding my breath of course. Edit: To the above poster: I actually wanted a Chimera in high sec (Luminaire to be precise, don't ask). I was a little too slow to get it built though, and now my poor baby is in low sec forever. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:04:00 - [1118] Originally by: Semkhet Still keeping this bubbling septic tank which serves you as brain going on ? Thank you I love compliments. Quote: - There is no asymmetric enforcement of rules. You could have been part of the pool had you enjoyed ownership of a high-sec located cap prior to the introduction of the new high-sec cap constraint rules. That you didn't is nobody's fault but yourself. And what exactly would I do with this high sec cap? If I ever feel like flying a cap ship I'll do it where I can actually use the ship for it's purpose. Not some goofy "look at me I have a dread in high sec" mining op. Quote: - What have hackers/cheaters to do with anything related to this thread ? Those are people I don't like, maybe reading comprehension isn't turned on in that septic tank of a brain you have. Quote: - Players are entitled to their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not ridiculing you because you have an opinion, but because you're spitting crappola on steroids, as simple as that. I do it damn well too. Quote: - The ingame achievements of the players who support Chribba have nothing to do with their opinion. You'll find in this thread from players having been able to buy supercaps through Chribba up to noobs who are tankful just for having been provided with the opportunity to actually see a dread. And? I realize this fact, it has no bearing on the fact that caps don't belong in high sec whatever the reason. Quote: - You still fail to comprehend that one of the reasons of the uproar has been the perceived lack of consultation and/or due announcement from CCP prior to taking a decision, along with the intrinsic nonsense of said decision. Um.. unless I'm mistaken CCP can do whatever they want to with this game, they could shut it down tomorrow without any reason if they so choose. See it's a little thing I like to call the EULA, it basically gives CCP free reign to do whatever they want without rhyme or reason. Quote: - And finally, you'll have the right to compare yourself to Chribba the day you have provided during years services and bandwith to the EvE community at your sole RL expenses. That's why Chribba IS Chribba, and you, well, you're Mr. Nobody I like being a nobody, because no one expects you to do anything when you're a nobody. But it is not CCPs fault that he did those things. He did them on his own accord and I salute him for it. It does not mean he should get special treatment from CCP for said acts of kindness though. He is after all still a PLAYER in the game and to provide advantage to him because of what he does with his spare time is what my post was against and how I feel it should be. Remember when people were all up in arms about the fact that BoB might have an advantage because of possible CCP involvement where they shouldn't of been afforded such advantages... Every player is equal, and should be treated as such.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:11:00 - [1119] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 07:12:27 First things first, "congratulations" Chribba, normal status restored. As i said, wait for the messenger to speak before shooting Now... To the ones who complain about the response time...seriously; Chribbas thread started at: 27/08/2008 06:42:00 27/08/2008 19:46:00 That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral." And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Chillshock	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:14:00 - [1120] Originally by: Schalac And? I realize this fact, it has no bearing on the fact that caps don't belong in high sec whatever the reason. There is one sole and superior reason for anything: If it improves the overall quality of the game to the benifit and to no disadvatages to others - it is not only to be tollerated but to be seen positively. Think about it: There are some player made icons from something like "a previous aera". Not many games can display something like this. It is an impressive and not-harmfull part of EvE and by those means: It is goooooooood!

Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:17:00 - [1121] Originally by: Sheriff Jones To the ones who complain about the response time...seriously; Chribbas thread started at: 27/08/2008 06:42:00 27/08/2008 19:46:00 That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral." And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed Yeah, especially since the thread started what? In the very early hours local time in Iceland? Hell, it was pretty early local time in England where the servers are too. And the fact that forum outrage or no, I doubt it was super-high on their to-do list for the day. What is wrong with people these days, get a grip. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:31:00 - [1122] it's things like these that make you doubt the gods that are the GMs/devs... like... - T20's sabre BPO - "boost patch" - "need for speed" -> desync - the idea to end the trade section of this forum "because market and contracts can do all that" - plan to remove all harmless sand castles like the veldnaught e.a. - ... i really got my hopes up about a thought-through speed nerf.... not! - putting the gist back into logistics
The Tzar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:40:00 - [1123] Edited by: The Tzar on 28/08/2008 07:43:38 So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else. Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:42:00 - [1124] Originally by: The Tzar I think by the numbers of shocked responses to this thread, the Veldnaught should be reinstated and the original whiners nerfed to oblivion. So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else. Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's. The original whiner in this thread was Chribba...
Darth Kasbian Random Pirate's Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:44:00 - [1125] What another shocking crap move by CCP chribba will still stay a A lister in my eve world with or with out the Veld least i have screen shots of it in amarr Peace chribba
The Tzar Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:46:00 - [1126] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: The Tzar So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else. Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's. The original whiner in this thread was Chribba... In this thread but not the start of the issue, surely otherwise why would it have just been decided. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Colonel Apocalypse	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:51:00 - [1127] Victory !
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:54:00 - [1128] Originally by: Colonel Apocalypse Victory ! I vote for this guy to be a CSM. Would give meaning to my corp name...other than it's true meaning.
Semkhet Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 07:58:00 - [1129] Originally by: Schalac And what exactly would I do with this high sec cap? If I ever feel like flying a cap ship I'll do it where I can actually use the ship for it's purpose. Not some goofy "look at me I have a dread in high sec" mining op. So why are you posting in this thread ? From one side you criticize the concept because of "unfair mining", when an Osprey could achieve better efficiency. Then you scream against the tank, when you couldn't gank an all-out pimped BS either. Then you refer to the cargo capacity, conveniently forgetting that this ship is located in a 1.0 sec system where belts disappear faster than the speed you can maneuver this damn dread to start with. Quote: Those are people I don't like, maybe reading comprehension isn't turned on in that septic tank of a brain you have. Well, reading comprehension implies addressing the matter at hand. I doubt anybody is interested in your hate & love list. Quote: Um.. unless I'm mistaken CCP can do whatever they want to with this game, they could shut it down tomorrow without any reason if they so choose. See it's a little thing I like to call the EULA, it basically gives CCP free reign to do whatever they want without rhyme or reason. And CCP is a money making venture, which implies that short of any suicidal behavior, they better care about what their paying customer base think. Besides, the EULA you refer to has a volatile validity according to the laws governing the specific location of each individual paying customer. The fact that state-enacted laws superceed whatever BS a commercial company comes with seems unknown to you... Quote: I like being a nobody, because no one expects you to do anything when you're a nobody. But it is not CCPs fault that he did those things. He did them on his own accord and I salute him for it. It does not mean he should get special treatment from CCP for said acts of kindness though. He is after all still a PLAYER in the game and to provide advantage to him because of what he does with his spare time is what my post was against and how I feel it should be. Remember when people were all up in arms about the fact that BoB might have an advantage because of possible CCP involvement where they shouldn't of been afforded such advantages... Every player is equal, and should be treated as such. You should get a reality check. If my actions contribute to the well being of an entity, it is logical that said entity will react in kind in the way it considers appropriate. That's what you witnessed here, both from the majority of posters and CCP. Did you ever thought one second about the money that Chribba allowed CCP to save for years (by providing services, bandwith, and cutting down web development costs), and the promotion of EvE (which directly translates into tangible additional income for CCP ?) Did you ever thought about the amount of transactions within EvE that have only be made possible thanks to Chribba as reliable intermediary ? The guy isn't an ego addict. He's most of the time silent on forums, takes no public high-profile role within ingame politics, and rather works quietly behind the scene to provide and maintain a range of services he's paying for from his own pocket for the only bipartisan sake of EvE's community. And it's not very appropriate of you to refer to that BPO incident either, which was purely limited to an episode of favoritism between individuals. Anyone who has the smallest clue about the wealth, power and situation of BOB knows that this unfortunate event didn't change a iota about what BOB could or not do.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:00:00 - [1130] lol, bitter people get so wound up about stupid shit sometimes =/ Glad to see it was returned, Chribba.

Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:21:00 - [1131] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 08:22:07 Originally by: Colonel Apocalypse Victory ! Originally by: The Tzar Edited by: The Tzar on 28/08/2008 07:43:38 So bored of whiners getting their way..., this will ruin the game more than anything else. Take note of this warning GM's and DEV's. Posted this in another place: Honestly? I don't think Chribba showed any "power" in his move, just that the community supports him. The moving of the non-combat capitals was a mistake as said by CCP "the guidelines weren't clear enough" and nothing more. People claiming supreme victory and/or "whining changed things" is just, excuse my french, le travestiT. This is an opinion, based on what i've seen, not a complaint. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Ninsoku	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:28:00 - [1132] Originally by: TamiyaCowboy 1. get rid of the CSM 2. start listening too long term players, ones older than 2yrs not three day old idoits/alts Most of CSM are long term players, many of them playing from beta or day one retail. Do your research
Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:35:00 - [1133] so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:36:00 - [1134] Originally by: Boobiencia so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule? Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar

Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:37:00 - [1135] Originally by: Semkhet So why are you posting in this thread ? From one side you criticize the concept because of "unfair mining", when an Osprey could achieve better efficiency. Then you scream against the tank, when you couldn't gank an all-out pimped BS either. Then you refer to the cargo capacity, conveniently forgetting that this ship is located in a 1.0 sec system where belts disappear faster than the speed you can maneuver this damn dread to start with. I never retracted any of my concerns and if you add them up they equate to an advantage as described by the new RULE #3... Quote: Well, reading comprehension implies addressing the matter at hand. I doubt anybody is interested in your hate & love list. And that was a direct answer to a question posed in the thread therefore was very relevant and I answered directly. Quote: And CCP is a money making venture, which implies that short of any suicidal behavior, they better care about what their paying customer base think. Besides, the EULA you refer to has a volatile validity according to the laws governing the specific location of each individual paying customer. The fact that state-enacted laws superceed whatever BS a commercial company comes with seems unknown to you... And what laws are you talking about that would of supersede CCP moving Chribbas dread into low sec? Quote: You should get a reality check. If my actions contribute to the well being of an entity, it is logical that said entity will react in kind in the way it considers appropriate. That's what you witnessed here, both from the majority of posters and CCP. Did you ever thought one second about the money that Chribba allowed CCP to save for years (by providing services, bandwith, and cutting down web development costs), and the promotion of EvE (which directly translates into tangible additional income for CCP ?) Did you ever thought about the amount of transactions within EvE that have only be made possible thanks to Chribba as reliable intermediary ? So Chribba hosted the game on his own servers in the past??? The amount of transactions within EVE??? Are you serious or are you pulling my leg? Look no one is saying that Chribba is this evil entity because he has a dread in high sec. I'm just saying that there is no reason for it and CCP did something to remove it which was right all things considered. It serves no purpose being there. Not one thing about it being in Amarr helps the game at all. It does give him a hell of a tank to mine in though. Oh there is that rule #3 again... Quote: The guy isn't an ego addict. He's most of the time silent on forums, takes no public high-profile role within ingame politics, and rather works quietly behind the scene to provide and maintain a range of services he's paying for from his own pocket for the only bipartisan sake of EvE's community. Then why did he post here instead of dealing with it through petitions the way it should of been handled....DING DING DING we have a winner, BECAUSE HE KNEW PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS WOULD SUPPORT WHATEVER HE SAID AND GET IT CHANGED. Look, I'm not a complete babbling buffoon. I know how things work. Chribba totally played you saps on the forums because he knows he has a fan base. Quote: And it's not very appropriate of you to refer to that BPO incident either, which was purely limited to an episode of favoritism between individuals. Anyone who has the smallest clue about the wealth, power and situation of BOB knows that this unfortunate event didn't change a iota about what BOB could or not do. Who said it did? I was just pointing out other instances of CCP showing favoritism over the general masses because our money doesn't mean as much as theirs. In an MMO that the devs, GMs or anyone else tied to them in general show favoritism to any sect of player regardless of past or future endeavors they may or may not make is bad business. That is the way I feel and I won't change it.
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:37:00 - [1136] Edited by: Taradis on 28/08/2008 08:38:59 WTF!!!! Chribba you got booted out of high sec with that big sexy veldnaught? thats messed up you've been hi-secing it in that thing for forever and a day now.... and to all the folks that are happy with this messed up move fuk off and play WoW. Chribba is an Eve celebrity how the hell can CCP do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet some godamn n00bs ***ed nuff bout it and CCP caved thats **ing weak. I was looking forward to maybe bumpin into chribba and his veldnaught and hanging out with him while he mines..... WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:39:00 - [1137] Originally by: Taradis WTF!!!! Chribba you got booted out of high sec with that big sexy veldnaught? thats messed up you've been hi-secing it in that thing for forever and a day now.... and to all the folks that are happy with this messed up move fuk off and play WoW. Chribba is an Eve celebrity how the hell can CCP do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet someone godamn n00bs ***ed nuff bout it and CCP caved thats *ing weak. I was looking forward to maybe bumpin into chribba and his veldnaught and hanging out with him while he mines..... WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! coughs* points at link in Chribbas original post You know, click it, just for fun My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:49:00 - [1138] Edited by: Frug on 28/08/2008 08:51:53 Originally by: Sheriff Jones 27/08/2008 06:42:00 27/08/2008 19:46:00 That's, what, 13 hours? Hardly even worth a "You were a bit tardy, but it's ok, it's not like it's a funeral." And STILL people complain, even after the reversal, and explanation....what is wrong with you people? I'm not mad, or whining, i'm...disappointed The decision should never have been made the way it was to begin with. It was reversed because of a 25 page forum thread exploded and people were all yelling about it. This should not be necessary to prevent stupid decisions from being made. Their explanation was "we were confused and fudged it up because we have poor internal communication" and this satisfies you? Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling. That's what bugs me. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:51:00 - [1139] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/08/2008 08:51:24 Originally by: Frug The decision should never have been made the way it was to begin with. It was reversed because of a 25 page forum thread exploded and people were all yelling about it. This should not be necessary to prevent stupid decisions from being made. Their explanation was "we were confused and fudged it up because we have poor internal communication" and this satisfies you? "For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game". It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it. Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back. It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:54:00 - [1140] Originally by: Sheriff Jones "For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game". It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it. Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back. It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible. Shit you reply fast. Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling. That's what bugs me. yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly. The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles



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