Originally by: Frug

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Shit you reply fast.

Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.

That's what bugs me.

yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly.

The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous.

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Originally by: Frug

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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"For a lack of clear guidelines about one single issue in game".

It was explained, in a very timely manner, people over-reacted and went WAY overboard with it.

Chribbas petition is probably the ONLY thing that changed it back.

It was a mistake, by one human, humans are fallible.

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Shit you reply fast.


Edit: Wait until you purchase the equivalent of a high sec cap ship, and CCP ruins it quietly and without warning you, because they have poor rules standards and have random people making these decisions. For you, there won't be a forum explosion to reverse it. You'll be left grumbling.

That's what bugs me.

yes, it was a mistake, but not by one human. It was a mistake by their internal organizational structure which allows one human (or however many people were involved in this) to influence billions of isk in assets without understanding the consequences and without discussing it properly.

The fact that this can be done on a whim is ridiculous.

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Thanks? About replying fast

I don't need to wait, i've been nerfed, i've lived under a bat for years, i live as the game evolves and nothing would cause, even of this magnitude, to do more then go "Hmm, better petition this and ask about it".

Yes there wouldn't be an outroar like this, though if they locked and moved away my CCP shop sketch(which is growing to be rather "big"(by other peoples opinion), i bet people would be upset too. If i had an icon ingame like the highsec mining capital, people would support it. Doesn't change the fact that it was probably JUST a mistake, mistakes happen, and people over-reacted.

They have guidelines, they follow guidelines, there's SO many guidelines, that sometimes these things happen. Not a whim, but a mistake. It gets corrected, things return to normal.

What is the problem? As they said, they had a problem with guidelines, they fix it.

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Originally by: Chribba

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Originally by: Boobiencia

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so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D

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Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule?

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Originally by: Frug

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I'm assuming he escalated it, and got nowhere, and it was the forums that fixed this.

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Originally by: Moirae Arachnea

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Originally by: Chribba

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Originally by: Boobiencia

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so, if I war dec chribbas corp and he undocks in his dread when Im in system, i can petition him for using it for combat?:D

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Do you really think I would undock if I was decced no matter that rule?

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Naw, all you would have to do is post that you were War decced by such and such corp, and they would be war decced by 2/3 of the eve community and slaughtered shortly thereafter.

MA

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Originally by: drendell

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sounds like there juiust doing small things to make it seem like there doing work.
took me ages to relies that ccp have to be the slowest gaming company in the world, this game hasn't changed that much since its release.
sure the rules have been modified and fw added but that's pretty much it, i dont include addition of ships.

imagine your playing another mmorpg the company makes a huge deal out of it and even gives it a title, it finaly comes out and you get a few new sets of armor (because thats what ships pretty much are).

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Aye, we can only assume, no reason for us to argue about it as both can be wrong and right, or both.

The funny thing is, people complain that CCP don't fix things fast.

For them to fix things fast, the "knowing and skillfl" people need to work, not watch petitions.

this means lesser "knowing and skillful" peolpe handle petitions and everyday "changes".

Which means, these things happen.

Damned if you do eh?

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Greetings everyone,

About those capital ships in high secà

First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.

This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:


1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.

2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.

3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.

4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.


Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.

With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.

Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.


GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master

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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov

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Cry more about it because you can't keep your sad dread in hisec.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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Originally by: Joss Sparq

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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personally I'm very disappointed in thsi whole afrair, they mishandled the timetable/warning, but they compounded the folly by backpeddaling

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So if someone does something which is perceived as wrong, they shouldn't make any amends for it? A ridiculous statement and a ridiculous sentiment in this case.

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because a very small minority of players whined out loud enough for the jedi to hear it?

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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CCP has legitimate reasons for doing exatly what they did, had they given proper notification of intention instead of just ninja'ing it, i would have no problem with their actions.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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However, the set a horrible precedent by even appearing to cave to any apparent favoritism by backpeddaling on this decision. There is no "legitimate" reason to allow "some" people to have cap ships in high sec while everyone else is forbidden.

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Originally by: Richard Garriott

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Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 19:50:22
Boom, good, 30 pages too late though.

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3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.

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Really now? So much for clarification....

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