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Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Eran Laude on 03/09/2008 16:48:56 Ripped from the comments page there: Originally by: "Idiot WoW Player" Hm, Yahtzee making an effort to find a new and inventive MMO? Is it raining custard? Have my legs suddenly turned into Belgian tourists? Good God, it's for real. Oh, wait, he's ripping the shit out of it. Thank goodness, I'll spit out those Asprin and keep typing. Never even heard of EVE until today (no I didn't look at the ads, what do you take me for, someone with money?), and after today, well, I won't go near it without a flamethrower and a spray gun full of Holy Water. Never being much of an MMO fan myself, you pretty succinctly pointed out eveything that needed to be said: Tries to be WoW. Fails miserably. Still murders your social life with a pickaxe. Good man. Funny, angry and laced with bile. Not unlike my **** collection. Also, don't agree with it and haven't really agreed with any of Yahtzee's reviews for a long long time, save for The Orange Box one. Still funny though
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:52:00 - [32] Originally by: An Anarchyyt So the Orange Box was the only thing he ever liked. Have you ever thought of recruiting from Valve? You'd also get better office pinatas. I think he also liked Super Mario Galaxy, Braid, the Prince of Persia Trilogy, No More Heroes, Call of Duty 4, Crysis, Assassin's Creed, and Psychonauts, though Portal is the only game he couldn't find anything wrong with. There are a lot more that he though were merely "ok."
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:56:00 - [33] Had to make a sig.. --
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:59:00 - [34] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/09/2008 17:00:15 Well to be honest, if there ever was someone i would even remotely consider to possibly vote into a race towards becoming the next likely god of universe, Yahtzee is right up there with neil patrick harris and the guy who came up with "women sticking other stuff then gum in their mouth", and i have to say that he's right. Right as in, it's not a game, it is a second job. But this particular job starts with you being greeted with nn army of lingerie models, giving you a massage while you watch every episode of evil dead, continues to a 5 star lunch with intellectual discussion with plato, einsein and douglas adams via a time/space videophone, and after you've done your necessary "tasks" of opening another beer and massaging yourself to the best adult entertainment in the history of mankind, you go out to a late business lunch and get hammered with the entire cast of monty pythons flying circus. I'm not saying EVE is perfect, very few MMOs are and probably never will be, but if i can leave the dreaded boredom of a starter corp to hide in my own corporation and basically play the game solo with only a chatwindow to keep the "massively multiplayer" aspect alive and STILL manage to have more fu then in any other MMO i've played so far, i consider it to be an effort worth bloody applauding about My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:01:00 - [35] Epic glorified space themed chatroom.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:02:00 - [36] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/09/2008 17:02:28 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Right as in, it's not a game, it is a second job. It depends. If you play the game like 80% of the players and just do a mission now and then or play the market, it doesnt have to be. Its the reason Im not in 0.0. :) If I ever go to 0.0, I will try to survive alone for kicks. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:02:00 - [37] While I disagree with what he said, it's hard for me to think of any other conclusion he could have came up with. Unlike in WoW where one could grind themselves silly and get to a very high level in 14 days, it's literally impossible in EVE. Also in WoW there are massive databases full of information on what to do and what works, and just more documentation in general, both in game and player run. For EVE, not so much. Furthermore, in Wow there is a distinct progression of skills, as in Play Game --> Level Up --> New Toy. Here you need to know which toy you want ahead of time (I came in before WCS nerf and it took me awhile to figure out that WCSs were very useful items indeed) which skills are needed (out of hundreds) and start training it, and waiting for ages before you skill up enough to get a new toy, instead of just improving how you can use an old one. He just tells us what we already know, the new player experience sucks.
Warmal Thunker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:07:00 - [38] I guess he did not really say anything that we did not know already. Eve is a hard game to get into especially if you do not have much time or are not the kind to join up with other players right away. The one thing that is really good about Wow is that it has a very smooth in-game learning curve that sucks you in right from the start. A lot of people are used to first play a game solo and only after a while get into the multi-player aspect. Eve requires that you do a lot of research on the forums and ask a lot of questions in game in order to get started. I bet that many potential players never make it over that hurdle and leave after logging on just a few times during the free trial.
Siberys Gallente Nebula Sharks	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [39] Me and my friends have been waiting for a ZP review of EVE for weeks, and I loved it! Epic pwnage, but EVE is still awesome.
Zuko Droner Dominion of Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [40] I never have bigger boots :(
Something Random Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [41] Kind of what id expect from someone who only played the 14 day trial and didn't want anything to do with player corps. Puts on BIG boots and starts kicking shins It was very funny though. I wasnt 100% sure of what this guy was like as a reviewer so watched some more reviews by him and really they all come under this type of sledgehammer as far as i can see... he can destroy a game with wit thats for sure.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:11:00 - [42] What I'm mostly concerned about is the level of negative feedback on EVE in the comments page :( But tbh these folks think WoW is good, so, meh, ** 'em. __________________________________ Originally by:** Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
R0ot Got R0ot	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:11:00 - [43] Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs!
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:17:00 - [44] Originally by: R0ot Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs! true but tbh do you think a person like that would actually make it at all in this game? __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
R0ot Got R0ot	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: R0ot Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs! true but tbh do you think a person like that would actually make it at all in this game? Sigh your probably right.
Neoromi	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:20:00 - [46] Sounded like he had a very skewed perception on how alot of player run corps are. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Zero Punctuation 1. Bored 2. Bored 3. Bored 4. eyestrain Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:21:00 - [48] massive waste of time, isn't that the whole idea behind mmos?
Unholy Preacher Trade Consortium	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:23:00 - [49] you have to understand taht alot of people suffer from instant gratification syndrome where by they need to be entertained now, not later. That being said however, eve isnt a game that draws you in quickly but rather a very social game. ZP has always been a bitter person which also makes it appealing as he says everything that we wish to say without our social boundary watchdogs in our head. He often makes very sensationalists comments to give rise out of people (essentially an attention *****) and to say that he produces balanced reviews is far off the mark. Does this mean im an anti-zp person? no, i view it for what it is, great video satire ladened with hillarious visuals. The problem however is that alot of people thing these are balanced reviews in that respect and given his lack of MMO experience, its not surprising that he churned out this type of review. Lastly, a good reviewer is only as good as his own personal experiences of which he has none in the mmo field.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Unholy Preacher you have to understand taht alot of people suffer from instant gratification syndrome where by they need to be entertained now, not later. That being said however, eve isnt a game that draws you in quickly but rather a very social game. ZP has always been a bitter person which also makes it appealing as he says everything that we wish to say without our social boundary watchdogs in our head. He often makes very sensationalists comments to give rise out of people (essentially an attention ***) and to say that he produces balanced reviews is far off the mark. Does this mean im an anti-zp person? no, i view it for what it is, great video satire ladened with hillarious visuals. The problem however is that alot of people thing these are balanced reviews in that respect and given his lack of MMO experience, its not surprising that he churned out this type of review. Lastly, a good reviewer is only as good as his own personal experiences of which he has none in the mmo field. Instant gratification plays across our society, and is pretty rampant. Ever see someone say 'TL;DR'? How many people do you know actually grab a book and read it? How many of those people do so only in private? Why read a book, when you can watch a movie? Originally by:** CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Trader Jen	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Kwa Kaine He pretty much hit the nail on the head tbh. your stuff, i can haz it?
Caedicus Minmatar Kellogg's Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:42:00 - [52] I completely agree with Yahtzee. It's a shame that some of the aspects of this game are so boring, when they really don't have to be. The only reason why I play now is because of the free market PVP. The economy in this game is very interesting and dynamic. Unfortunately, I have to grind missions so I can reduce my broker fees, but it really doesn't have to feel as much as a chore if CCP put more effort into making missions (and combat in general) more interesting. Evolution in Eve:
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:53:00 - [53] He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. EVE has some of the worst PvE-content of any game ever. So I agree with him there. But EVE is a PvP-game, and anyone who doesn't PvP is exactly as he describes imo. Black Hand.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:57:00 - [54] The tiny and unreadable font that CCP refuses to change makes the eyestrain comment extremely accurate.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:08:00 - [55] I found the review rather disappointing to be honest. Other reviews were funny in an insightful way. Here he just refused to play the game, and then thrashed it. Well, wooptie-do. Not that I expected EvE to do well in a ZP review, because it, and basically every other MMO out there, just aren't his type of games. I think he should stick to single-player games, at least he knows something about the subject. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Jack Butner Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:14:00 - [56] He hit the nail on the head with the nerds of the nerds comment... The level social inept people I have met in this game is astounding... 30 year old virgins galore.

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:24:00 - [57] Edited by: CCP Prism X on 03/09/2008 18:24:28 That was bloody awesome! I've always respected Yahtzee for being the only person that can so easily outshine my own cynicism that it blinds me... like something really shiny! Well alright, I was pretty frustrated on the first view. But it's Yahtzee doing what he does best and doing what I've always wanted him to do. I didn't really like his positive reviews that much to be honest. But I find it sad that we disagree on the core concepts of MMO progression. The leveling system. Thankfully he didn't drag any class based stuff into it which would really have done it in for me. I'm also dismayed by the fact that there wasn't a single thing in EVE which did anything for him. Most other reviews have had "it's only redeeming factor" attached to a barrage of individual pwnages. But he also refused to leave the NPC corp so, that's like refusing to leave Deathknell with your level 19 undead rogue (shit, why do I know this?!) But still, it was funny as hell and that's the best you can really hope from Yahtzee, no? P.S. Whichever urban cavemen directed Yahtzee crosshair on us... well played, sir... ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Zamzoph Tides of Silence	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. So are you saying that PVP isn't about kicking each other in the shins and seeing who lasts the longest, or is it more about 10+ people kicking one person in the shins at the same time? Seriously, if he got around to talking about PVP, fleet warfare, and the unforgiving death mechanic, he wouldn't have nice things to say about those, either.
Ordais	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:34:26 Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:33:36 He is right on one point: the first 2 weeks are simply crap. Lets face it, beeing a noob in EVE is like having fun the first 1-3 days (depending on how long you play), then you realize that even if you dont train learings you cant do shit for 4-8 weeks. I trained an alt just to get into FW, so i dont even mention money problems to get all skills. Focusing only on flying FRIGS and getting the necessary skills to at least have any chance, takes simply too long. Sure i can fly a frig the first day, but you cant use it, or simply not good enough. That is EVEs biggest problem. Once you get past this first 2 months and join a CORP, you can do funny things. Its kinda an opposite to other games where you first 2 weeks are the best parts of the game. In EVE this moment only lasts a few days.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Zamzoph Originally by: Tobias Sjodin He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. So are you saying that PVP isn't about kicking each other in the shins and seeing who lasts the longest, or is it more about 10+ people kicking one person in the shins at the same time? Seriously, if he got around to talking about PVP, fleet warfare, and the unforgiving death mechanic, he wouldn't have nice things to say about those, either. Heheh ... if you want to break PvP down to that basic level, sure, it is. If you want to get realistic, though, there are a whole lot of tactics and resources a successful PvPer uses to beat the opposition. 'Who has the bigger boots' is a way of thinking that usually leads to epic fail. Which is why so many EFT warriors get owned when they PvP. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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