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R0ot Got R0ot	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:12:00 - [1] Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 16:15:45 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online Just watching now, love the reviews he does interesting to see his take on Eve. edit: I lol'd
Skaaj Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:16:00 - [2] I lol'd.... then I cried... cause he's not wrong
Balthamael Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:20:00 - [3] hehe he wasn't exactly enthusiastic about Eve!! :D Dont know if he ever is tho :)
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:23:00 - [4] lol, nice.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:24:00 - [5] Edited by: Larg Kellein on 03/09/2008 16:24:26 If I didn't know he hates all games, and that a review of one he actually loved would suck (due to limitations in his vocabulary, I believe he is unable to utter positive words), I would say he was tending towards the negative in this review. Factually, he's not really that far off, he just shoots himself in the foot thinking Eve can be reviewed in 14 days in an npc corp.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:25:00 - [6] Certainly the glorified chat room bit is right And I've said for a while I'd like more NPC content (always shooting the same NPC's over and over or the same rocks over and over. The reviewer clearly didn't try COSMOS, of which I wish we had more of) _______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
Johann Callasan	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Larg Kellein Edited by: Larg Kellein on 03/09/2008 16:24:26 If I didn't know he hates all games, and that a review of one he actually loved would suck (due to limitations in his vocabulary, I believe he is unable to utter positive words), I would say he was tending towards the negative in this review. Factually, he's not really that far off, he just shoots himself in the foot thinking Eve can be reviewed in 14 days in an npc corp. Check out his review of the orange Box, he actually has soem positive things to say there (even if grudgingly).
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:29:00 - [8] Gigglesnort. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:30:00 - [9] I dont much care for his reviews other than for comedic value. EvE certainly is still a nitch game and as such only devoting 2 weeks and avoiding player corps is pretty much like saying hes reviewing the game because his boss threatened to drop him. Oh well. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Doc Fury on 03/09/2008 16:32:47 LMAO He is pretty much spot-on in a lot of places. My favorite: Originally by: Yahtzee It's an executive toy for high-powered businessmen who are too busy to play a real game. Something that you run in the background and occasionally mess with in-between negotiating mergers, neglecting your spouse, and becoming emotionally dead. But then again, there are apparantly people who can stay awake long enough to join and run Player Corporations, either they are all Bizzaro people with shoes on their heads, or I am underestimating the appeal of having a second job you have to pay for. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:32:00 - [11] i dunno, i thought it was funny. it really is a glorified chat room with occasional gate activation warnings over TS - -
Gone'Postal Minmatar Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:33:00 - [12] His comments on the interface are spot on. Boost SISI VOTE NOW!
melaeric Woopatang The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:33:00 - [13] I really enjoyed the "shoe on head" comment. Wonder if it was intentional or accidental to bring up that moment in eve tourney history.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Doc Fury LMAO He is pretty much spot-on in a lot of places. My favorite: Originally by: Yahtzee It's an executive toy for high-powered businessmen who are too busy to play a real game. Something that you run in the background and occasionally mess with in-between negotiating mergers, neglecting your spouse, and becoming emotionally dead. But then again, there are apparantly people who can stay awake long enough to join and run Player Corporations, either they are all Bizzaro people with shoes on their heads, or I am underestimating the appeal of having a second job you have to pay for. the part that got me there was that i was in fact at work with the game minimized, hehe - -
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:35:00 - [15] I wholly approve of this review. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:36:00 - [16] Review was everything I was expecting and hoping for under the circumstances, and it was funnier than last week's to boot. A+ would watch again.

An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:37:00 - [17] Missions, boring? I never would've guessed. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:38:00 - [18] That was awesome. Especially the part of the skill names. Hahahah ... Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Sylvie Giovanni	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 03/09/2008 16:40:55 Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 03/09/2008 16:40:36 RE: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online I just came to post about this, boo you beat me It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:42:00 - [20] I liked the bestower shooting the dominix. Although yes, the first 14 days do sort of suck no matter what you do (train real skills? I still can't do shit; train learnings? I can not do shit faster!!) I wonder which race he played to start - willing to bet he wasn't actually flying the domi ingame. Additionally: LOL @ signature analysis / signature focusing __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:42:00 - [21] Considering he intentionally sat in a NPC corp and only did PvE, can you possibly have expected anything else ? _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 03/09/2008 16:40:55 Edited by: Sylvie Giovanni on 03/09/2008 16:40:36 RE: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online I just came to post about this, boo you beat me It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :) No, it's EvE! WoW is that ... Oh, hell, what am I saying? Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Jengis Con	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:43:00 - [23] Nice... hes spot on... It made me wonder why i play this game... But then i realized its only to have something pretty to click on my windows box while i work in an ssh session to a linux box on my sparc64 bsd box and admire my macbook pro but not really use it much and watch the cute girl on CNN talk crap about that VPILF hottie Palin while i watch the people on CNBC on another TV talk about how horrible my stocks are doing, all to satisfy my raging ADHD. Then i realized i AM one of those nerds who are to nerds what nerds are to normal people. Suddenly everything makes sense! I have achieved that clarity i once had that one time i was on acid for a week in 9th grade! And yes I do have a minifridge filled with beer and redbull, hotpockets in the little freezer too, within reach. And little microwave on top so i never actually have to get up to do anything other than pee, and not even that if theres an empty bottle within reach.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :) Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right?

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:44:00 - [25] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/09/2008 16:43:56 /me visions ccp marketing department going "waaaaaaaah". Send them my love. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Considering he intentionally sat in a NPC corp and only did PvE, can you possibly have expected anything else ? That's what 80% of EvE players want to do, so I'm reliably informed. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:45:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun You sir, are my new favorite pal. Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:46:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :) Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right? So the Orange Box was the only thing he ever liked. Have you ever thought of recruiting from Valve? You'd also get better office pinatas. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:47:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right? and considering how many ads you guys have on the escapist, it had a charming while( hand.feeds() ) { bite(); } quality to it, hehe (but no seriously, the interface needs to be modifiable by us... :) ) - -
Kwa Kaine eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:47:00 - [30] He pretty much hit the nail on the head tbh. EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Eran Laude on 03/09/2008 16:48:56 Ripped from the comments page there: Originally by: "Idiot WoW Player" Hm, Yahtzee making an effort to find a new and inventive MMO? Is it raining custard? Have my legs suddenly turned into Belgian tourists? Good God, it's for real. Oh, wait, he's ripping the shit out of it. Thank goodness, I'll spit out those Asprin and keep typing. Never even heard of EVE until today (no I didn't look at the ads, what do you take me for, someone with money?), and after today, well, I won't go near it without a flamethrower and a spray gun full of Holy Water. Never being much of an MMO fan myself, you pretty succinctly pointed out eveything that needed to be said: Tries to be WoW. Fails miserably. Still murders your social life with a pickaxe. Good man. Funny, angry and laced with bile. Not unlike my **** collection. Also, don't agree with it and haven't really agreed with any of Yahtzee's reviews for a long long time, save for The Orange Box one. Still funny though
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:52:00 - [32] Originally by: An Anarchyyt So the Orange Box was the only thing he ever liked. Have you ever thought of recruiting from Valve? You'd also get better office pinatas. I think he also liked Super Mario Galaxy, Braid, the Prince of Persia Trilogy, No More Heroes, Call of Duty 4, Crysis, Assassin's Creed, and Psychonauts, though Portal is the only game he couldn't find anything wrong with. There are a lot more that he though were merely "ok."
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:56:00 - [33] Had to make a sig.. --
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:59:00 - [34] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/09/2008 17:00:15 Well to be honest, if there ever was someone i would even remotely consider to possibly vote into a race towards becoming the next likely god of universe, Yahtzee is right up there with neil patrick harris and the guy who came up with "women sticking other stuff then gum in their mouth", and i have to say that he's right. Right as in, it's not a game, it is a second job. But this particular job starts with you being greeted with nn army of lingerie models, giving you a massage while you watch every episode of evil dead, continues to a 5 star lunch with intellectual discussion with plato, einsein and douglas adams via a time/space videophone, and after you've done your necessary "tasks" of opening another beer and massaging yourself to the best adult entertainment in the history of mankind, you go out to a late business lunch and get hammered with the entire cast of monty pythons flying circus. I'm not saying EVE is perfect, very few MMOs are and probably never will be, but if i can leave the dreaded boredom of a starter corp to hide in my own corporation and basically play the game solo with only a chatwindow to keep the "massively multiplayer" aspect alive and STILL manage to have more fu then in any other MMO i've played so far, i consider it to be an effort worth bloody applauding about My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:01:00 - [35] Epic glorified space themed chatroom.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:02:00 - [36] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/09/2008 17:02:28 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Right as in, it's not a game, it is a second job. It depends. If you play the game like 80% of the players and just do a mission now and then or play the market, it doesnt have to be. Its the reason Im not in 0.0. :) If I ever go to 0.0, I will try to survive alone for kicks. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:02:00 - [37] While I disagree with what he said, it's hard for me to think of any other conclusion he could have came up with. Unlike in WoW where one could grind themselves silly and get to a very high level in 14 days, it's literally impossible in EVE. Also in WoW there are massive databases full of information on what to do and what works, and just more documentation in general, both in game and player run. For EVE, not so much. Furthermore, in Wow there is a distinct progression of skills, as in Play Game --> Level Up --> New Toy. Here you need to know which toy you want ahead of time (I came in before WCS nerf and it took me awhile to figure out that WCSs were very useful items indeed) which skills are needed (out of hundreds) and start training it, and waiting for ages before you skill up enough to get a new toy, instead of just improving how you can use an old one. He just tells us what we already know, the new player experience sucks.
Warmal Thunker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:07:00 - [38] I guess he did not really say anything that we did not know already. Eve is a hard game to get into especially if you do not have much time or are not the kind to join up with other players right away. The one thing that is really good about Wow is that it has a very smooth in-game learning curve that sucks you in right from the start. A lot of people are used to first play a game solo and only after a while get into the multi-player aspect. Eve requires that you do a lot of research on the forums and ask a lot of questions in game in order to get started. I bet that many potential players never make it over that hurdle and leave after logging on just a few times during the free trial.
Siberys Gallente Nebula Sharks	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [39] Me and my friends have been waiting for a ZP review of EVE for weeks, and I loved it! Epic pwnage, but EVE is still awesome.
Zuko Droner Dominion of Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [40] I never have bigger boots :(
Something Random Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 - [41] Kind of what id expect from someone who only played the 14 day trial and didn't want anything to do with player corps. Puts on BIG boots and starts kicking shins It was very funny though. I wasnt 100% sure of what this guy was like as a reviewer so watched some more reviews by him and really they all come under this type of sledgehammer as far as i can see... he can destroy a game with wit thats for sure.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:11:00 - [42] What I'm mostly concerned about is the level of negative feedback on EVE in the comments page :( But tbh these folks think WoW is good, so, meh, ** 'em. __________________________________ Originally by:** Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
R0ot Got R0ot	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:11:00 - [43] Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs!
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:17:00 - [44] Originally by: R0ot Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs! true but tbh do you think a person like that would actually make it at all in this game? __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
R0ot Got R0ot	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: R0ot Edited by: R0ot on 03/09/2008 17:11:49 The one thing i'm not fond of this review for is this: edit: taken from ZP comments section Originally by: "JoeNut" ive never tried it and now definatly wont. It's like damn maybe tell your mom to put down the spoon and try something for yourself without being spoon fed it ffs! true but tbh do you think a person like that would actually make it at all in this game? Sigh your probably right.
Neoromi	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:20:00 - [46] Sounded like he had a very skewed perception on how alot of player run corps are. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Zero Punctuation 1. Bored 2. Bored 3. Bored 4. eyestrain Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:21:00 - [48] massive waste of time, isn't that the whole idea behind mmos?
Unholy Preacher Trade Consortium	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:23:00 - [49] you have to understand taht alot of people suffer from instant gratification syndrome where by they need to be entertained now, not later. That being said however, eve isnt a game that draws you in quickly but rather a very social game. ZP has always been a bitter person which also makes it appealing as he says everything that we wish to say without our social boundary watchdogs in our head. He often makes very sensationalists comments to give rise out of people (essentially an attention *****) and to say that he produces balanced reviews is far off the mark. Does this mean im an anti-zp person? no, i view it for what it is, great video satire ladened with hillarious visuals. The problem however is that alot of people thing these are balanced reviews in that respect and given his lack of MMO experience, its not surprising that he churned out this type of review. Lastly, a good reviewer is only as good as his own personal experiences of which he has none in the mmo field.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Unholy Preacher you have to understand taht alot of people suffer from instant gratification syndrome where by they need to be entertained now, not later. That being said however, eve isnt a game that draws you in quickly but rather a very social game. ZP has always been a bitter person which also makes it appealing as he says everything that we wish to say without our social boundary watchdogs in our head. He often makes very sensationalists comments to give rise out of people (essentially an attention ***) and to say that he produces balanced reviews is far off the mark. Does this mean im an anti-zp person? no, i view it for what it is, great video satire ladened with hillarious visuals. The problem however is that alot of people thing these are balanced reviews in that respect and given his lack of MMO experience, its not surprising that he churned out this type of review. Lastly, a good reviewer is only as good as his own personal experiences of which he has none in the mmo field. Instant gratification plays across our society, and is pretty rampant. Ever see someone say 'TL;DR'? How many people do you know actually grab a book and read it? How many of those people do so only in private? Why read a book, when you can watch a movie? Originally by:** CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Trader Jen	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Kwa Kaine He pretty much hit the nail on the head tbh. your stuff, i can haz it?
Caedicus Minmatar Kellogg's Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:42:00 - [52] I completely agree with Yahtzee. It's a shame that some of the aspects of this game are so boring, when they really don't have to be. The only reason why I play now is because of the free market PVP. The economy in this game is very interesting and dynamic. Unfortunately, I have to grind missions so I can reduce my broker fees, but it really doesn't have to feel as much as a chore if CCP put more effort into making missions (and combat in general) more interesting. Evolution in Eve:
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:53:00 - [53] He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. EVE has some of the worst PvE-content of any game ever. So I agree with him there. But EVE is a PvP-game, and anyone who doesn't PvP is exactly as he describes imo. Black Hand.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:57:00 - [54] The tiny and unreadable font that CCP refuses to change makes the eyestrain comment extremely accurate.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:08:00 - [55] I found the review rather disappointing to be honest. Other reviews were funny in an insightful way. Here he just refused to play the game, and then thrashed it. Well, wooptie-do. Not that I expected EvE to do well in a ZP review, because it, and basically every other MMO out there, just aren't his type of games. I think he should stick to single-player games, at least he knows something about the subject. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Jack Butner Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:14:00 - [56] He hit the nail on the head with the nerds of the nerds comment... The level social inept people I have met in this game is astounding... 30 year old virgins galore.

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:24:00 - [57] Edited by: CCP Prism X on 03/09/2008 18:24:28 That was bloody awesome! I've always respected Yahtzee for being the only person that can so easily outshine my own cynicism that it blinds me... like something really shiny! Well alright, I was pretty frustrated on the first view. But it's Yahtzee doing what he does best and doing what I've always wanted him to do. I didn't really like his positive reviews that much to be honest. But I find it sad that we disagree on the core concepts of MMO progression. The leveling system. Thankfully he didn't drag any class based stuff into it which would really have done it in for me. I'm also dismayed by the fact that there wasn't a single thing in EVE which did anything for him. Most other reviews have had "it's only redeeming factor" attached to a barrage of individual pwnages. But he also refused to leave the NPC corp so, that's like refusing to leave Deathknell with your level 19 undead rogue (shit, why do I know this?!) But still, it was funny as hell and that's the best you can really hope from Yahtzee, no? P.S. Whichever urban cavemen directed Yahtzee crosshair on us... well played, sir... ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Zamzoph Tides of Silence	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. So are you saying that PVP isn't about kicking each other in the shins and seeing who lasts the longest, or is it more about 10+ people kicking one person in the shins at the same time? Seriously, if he got around to talking about PVP, fleet warfare, and the unforgiving death mechanic, he wouldn't have nice things to say about those, either.
Ordais	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:34:26 Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:33:36 He is right on one point: the first 2 weeks are simply crap. Lets face it, beeing a noob in EVE is like having fun the first 1-3 days (depending on how long you play), then you realize that even if you dont train learings you cant do shit for 4-8 weeks. I trained an alt just to get into FW, so i dont even mention money problems to get all skills. Focusing only on flying FRIGS and getting the necessary skills to at least have any chance, takes simply too long. Sure i can fly a frig the first day, but you cant use it, or simply not good enough. That is EVEs biggest problem. Once you get past this first 2 months and join a CORP, you can do funny things. Its kinda an opposite to other games where you first 2 weeks are the best parts of the game. In EVE this moment only lasts a few days.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Zamzoph Originally by: Tobias Sjodin He reviewed the PvE-content, which is EVE-Online's absolute weakpoint. So are you saying that PVP isn't about kicking each other in the shins and seeing who lasts the longest, or is it more about 10+ people kicking one person in the shins at the same time? Seriously, if he got around to talking about PVP, fleet warfare, and the unforgiving death mechanic, he wouldn't have nice things to say about those, either. Heheh ... if you want to break PvP down to that basic level, sure, it is. If you want to get realistic, though, there are a whole lot of tactics and resources a successful PvPer uses to beat the opposition. 'Who has the bigger boots' is a way of thinking that usually leads to epic fail. Which is why so many EFT warriors get owned when they PvP. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Shinigami Gallente Shinra	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:37:00 - [61] Edited by: Shinigami on 03/09/2008 18:38:43 It's too bad he didn't get to try POS warfare, and fleet battles. (The biggest failures in Eve.) I would have loved to hear his opinion of those. I think he was spot-on with most of what he said. Of course eve has other things that make it attractive. I'm sure they will get nerfed or patched out eventually though.
Dee Caffari Big S Triangle	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:37:00 - [62] Good example of why you shouldn't just stay in an NPC corp and run missions I guess. Made me glad I'd seen this the other day click for funny critique/parody of ZP Still, it made me chuckle and he was right about the UI.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Dee Caffari Good example of why you shouldn't just stay in an NPC corp and run missions I guess. Made me glad I'd seen this the other day click for funny critique/parody of ZP Still, it made me chuckle and he was right about the UI. Hilarious. And so true. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Nevada Tan	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:53:00 - [64] Originally by: Neoromi Sounded like he had a very skewed perception on how alot of player run corps are. He's a Goon, so his example of player-run corps is Goonfleet. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing.
SirKaill Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:56:00 - [65] i know he rags and rips on the game but god damn that was funny
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Ordais Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:34:26 Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:33:36 He is right on one point: the first 2 weeks are simply crap. Lets face it, beeing a noob in EVE is like having fun the first 1-3 days (depending on how long you play), then you realize that even if you dont train learings you cant do shit for 4-8 weeks. I trained an alt just to get into FW, so i dont even mention money problems to get all skills. Focusing only on flying FRIGS and getting the necessary skills to at least have any chance, takes simply too long. Sure i can fly a frig the first day, but you cant use it, or simply not good enough. That is EVEs biggest problem. Once you get past this first 2 months and join a CORP, you can do funny things. Its kinda an opposite to other games where you first 2 weeks are the best parts of the game. In EVE this moment only lasts a few days. My first two weeks were awesome. Sorry yours sucked. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:00:00 - [67] He hates mahmahrpeguhrs, hates on Eve before he starts playing, does anything to not have fun, what a dumbass. He tries to troll but I'm placing him around the vicinity of 'masternerdguy', albeit a bit less literary challenged.
Salvatory Gallente Glass House	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:08:00 - [68] Same my first 2 weeks in eve where great also . And i did joined a player corp after 2 weeks ,think that helped alot also. First guy that killed me was ifni. 2005.07.01 19:51 Victim: Ulric Denrai Alliance: Unknown Corporation: PISKURART.COM Destroyed Type: Prophecy Solar System: PVH8-0 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Ifni (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.4 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated Ship Type: Armageddon Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I That is my main was 2 months in eve
LetsDoThis	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:18:00 - [69] Edited by: LetsDoThis on 03/09/2008 19:22:44 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :) Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right? No, everything he said is well stated and fully justified. Take 2 weeks and restart eve. No help from anyone. Randomize your character creation. Pretend that you can do anything meaningful besides doing missions early on and attempt to go do that stuff. At the end of 14 days, analyze how far you've gotten, and how much you enjoyed it. Kablammo, truth hurts. And no, a review is to reflect your opinion on a game. His review of eve is bad for CCP. ZP is very well known. I wouldn't be so gleeful about his critique. /shrug Finally, your opinion on player corporations as a prerequisite for fun neglects both your current and potential audience's needs and desires. (nice!)
Ren Surkova Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:21:00 - [70] Originally by: NeoTheo anyhoo, friday night ill go the pub get drunk, come home and bang the missus, while mr awsome there writes another "review"... ;) yeah, bitterly reference the completely pedestrian things you do which aren't eve, that'll show him
Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:26:00 - [71] He summed up my first 14 days pretty well. Someone should email him a link to this thread, not that he'd care.
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:42:00 - [72] haha that was amazing. the only thing he didn't get to experience was the fukin lag.
LetsDoThis	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:53:00 - [73] Of course I take him seriously, hes one of the few reviewers who are as hard to please as I am. His tastes reflect mine pretty damn closely. If I were to restart eve i'd most assuredly not play beyond the first 14 days, and probably uninstall way before that. It took months to reach anything that i'd consider enjoyable. Thats a lot of ****ing patience to expect from potential customers.
John Holt Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:54:00 - [74] You haven't really tried an MMO until you actually participate in the Massive Multiplayer aspect of the game. John Holt My Personal Eve Site
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:54:00 - [75] This zero punctuation guy is such an idiot. Not just on Eve, but on just about every other game he reviews. ----
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:58:00 - [76] Edited by: Galk on 03/09/2008 20:01:37 Bored Bored Bored Heh, he's so not wrong, but then again those voices in my head keep me at it I think umm about 20+ years of playing football manager games in all various guises stood me in good stead for the various evils eve has to offer. The ultimate spread sheets they say, beat that EvE online ______
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:00:00 - [77] Lightly scathed compared to some of the other reviews; he's a self-confessed hater of all MMOs. C'est la merde! ≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store \| eve-maps.com
Zalathar Minmatar Stellar Research Incorporated DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:11:00 - [78] Edited by: Zalathar on 03/09/2008 20:11:52 This only proves that EVE requires intelligence and a bit fo time to enjoy to its full capacity. Time is something he of course lacks, being used to review FPSs and action games, and intelligence... well, if you dont realize that you wont have fun in game by grinding and not talking to anyone, and you ignore that the way to appreciate a game is to use all that it offers, i.e. teamwork and pvp, then you really should not be reviewing MMOs. ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Salvatory Same my first 2 weeks in eve where great also . And i did joined a player corp after 2 weeks ,think that helped alot also. First guy that killed me was ifni. 2005.07.01 19:51 Victim: Ulric Denrai Alliance: Unknown Corporation: PISKURART.COM Destroyed Type: Prophecy Solar System: PVH8-0 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Ifni (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.4 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated Ship Type: Armageddon Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I That is my main was 2 months in eve Well hello there With the ZP review of EVE, it would be hypocritcal of me to say that I enjoy seeing things getting verbally molested, except when it's me, so I actually quite enjoyed his review of EVE. Additionally, the great thing about opinions is that everyone has one. That aside, his review did touch on some issues that we all know about (ui issues, learning curve) but I do believe he hobbled himself by simply refusing to take part. As he himself states, he decided at the outset to be the man in the bushes observing his environment, and I find it mildly amusing that he then goes on usual verbal rampage, but without a valid understanding of the main fodder of an MMO; the multiplayer part. It constites one of the greatest parts of the design process, so to ignore it, is akin to saying that he's going to ignore the weapons in Super Mario Cart. The game ends up feeling decidedly one sided, and just not fun. regardless of all the above, it was as valid as any other review, good or bad, and I hope that people both here at CCP and out there in the media and player base, take his review in the light I believe it to be; a light hearted rampage against whatever poor game he has in his sights. As they say, any publicity is good publicity

Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:22:00 - [80] Originally by: CCP Atropos As they say, any publicity is good publicity I must agree with this point. I have met a few people that joined EVE simply because someone else was complaining about what happened to them. They thought it was amazing that you could do that in a game. I think both of them got scammed, which was most righteous in the opinion of the listeners. I knew another guy that was reading about EVE in time magazine (or a similar one), about the huge scam that ended in the podding of some alliance heads, and the theft of insane amounts of corp assets. He thought it was amazing that someone would make a game, where scamming and theft were not only supported, but encouraged. Just figured I would add that.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:28:00 - [81] Quote: Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right? Pretty much this. ZP provides a very funny pseudo-review none of it should be taken seriously.
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace. Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:37:00 - [82] Said review fails. Epicly. Playing the game for 2 weeks (supposedly), not joining a player corporation, and attempting to play the game in single-player mode? You're obviously not going to get the proper image. Sorry, but the mere implying that its all about the "bigger boot" as well as the "complicated" skill system (you know, the skill descriptions are right there, not wanting to know isn't an excuse) just shows the lack of understanding of the game mechanics in my opinion. Recruiting
Ikvar A Blue Goat	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:39:00 - [83] As usual Yahtzee gets it totally right, if that bastard had have done this 2 months ago I would have remembered why I quit in the first place and wouldn't have had to waste money on 2 months of subs to remember instead.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:41:00 - [84] Agree or disagree, that was friggin' hilarious. Serious analysis? He had a lot of correct facts and all the wrong application. Sure, the mechanics of shin-kicking in Eve are not stunningly different from WoW...but that's not what sets Eve apart from WoW to begin with. Perhaps his greatest failure in analysis (or greatest stroke of humorous genius) was his utter distaste and complete unwillingness to explore the aspects of Eve that might reveal why any real comparison of Eve and WoW is null and void from the word go. 10/10 for presentation and humor though. If you're gonna bash a game I enjoy, might as well make me laugh at myself
honour Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:10:00 - [85] what he only used one monitor for chissakes. you need two or preferably 3 to get eveything on the screen you need. only the intelligent stay. (praise the lord) everyone else goes back to WOW cos its easier. by the sound of it the new player experience hasnt changed much :) (see bio) :) lev 5 missions should be for massive gang with mega reward
Ma'kal Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:11:00 - [86] This was the funniest review of Eve I have ever saw. All though I do love eve in some ways he is right. However, Eve is more than that, or at least I keep telling myself that.
Dark Viceroy	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:12:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Salvatory 2005.07.01 19:51 Victim: Ulric Denrai Alliance: Unknown Corporation: PISKURART.COM Destroyed Type: Prophecy Solar System: PVH8-0 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: CCP Atropos (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.4 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated Ship Type: Armageddon Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I That is my main was 2 months in eve Well hello there Fixed that killmail...looked a bit outdated
Anneke Goulet	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:22:00 - [88] Originally by: ZeroPunctuation http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online Can I have your stuff?
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:41:00 - [89] Oh hai, here's my MMO review. Except I didn't interact with other players, didn't shoot other players in a pvp game and didn't do any research to gain a basic understanding of skills, character choice, game focus and basic strengths and weaknesses in Game X. Utter fail After all this time, a self-professed game playing expert should know better than to walk into a gunfight wielding a hotdog. He needs to stay away from MMOs if he's not going to do his homework unless he just wants to scream vitiperative noises into the mic. I like ZP because he's on point with his bitterness, not just because he's bitter.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:43:00 - [90] <3 Zero Punctuation. His reviews are funny. Reviewing an MMO in an NPC corp (aka refusing to play with others) and whining that you can't fly a Titan in a week is pretty rofl. I thought he'd be smart enough to point out that in other MMOs you grind for XP, but in EVE you grind for isk and if you are clever, you don't have to grind as much thus you have more free time for other activities. Unforunately, ZP couldn't figure out anything to do but grind, too bad for him. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:45:00 - [91] Funny. Lacks depth. .
AngryMax Gallente Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:52:00 - [92] And right after he finished his video editing he went to the beach to chill with the babes. Another whining bleeding wimp.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:55:00 - [93] i am creaming my pants! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
AlpiNeStaRs	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:07:00 - [94] What could he do on a 14 days trial anyway beside killing asteroids and running lvl 1 missions... I bet someone told him to train his learning skills first
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:09:00 - [95] Only reason i play is the people. ZP does have a point. With out the ppl... Why do you play? =-
Klavis lychnuchus	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:12:00 - [96] Pretty funny... And I have to agree.. Eve is a second job that you have to pay for. The mind numbing bore vastly outweigh the fun bits but still I play! It has spaceships, internet spaceships no less. I've paid far too much for this game to give up now! although I think I said that after the first month. That and I'm nearly one of the cool kids now (no rly!) after over two and a half years and I've almost got the skills to fly a cap ship. Yay!
fairimear Gallente S.A.S	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:18:00 - [97] "A second job you have to pay for" God it feels like that sometimes with the horrible pos/sov system. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
AceOfSpace Pineapple Blunder	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:19:00 - [98] A glorified spacey chat room? That's precisely why I love eve! -it's my job to do it-
Sylvie Giovanni Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:21:00 - [99] Originally by: Klavis lychnuchus after over two and a half years and I've almost got the skills to fly a cap ship. Yay! I'm new......... please tell me thats a joking exaggeration............................... .....
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni Originally by: Klavis lychnuchus after over two and a half years and I've almost got the skills to fly a cap ship. Yay! I'm new......... please tell me thats a joking exaggeration............................... ..... He is probably not joking. There are a lot of pros and cons on cap ships, but mainly it's not all that incredibly important to have fun. You can get in to a capital ship a lot faster but to actually be effective/useful with it it takes a while to train... Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:28:00 - [101] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni I'm new......... please tell me thats a joking exaggeration............................... Nope. Train your learning skills, train up for +3 or +4 implants. Get Evemon and get planning. Tip. Focus on ONE goal. SJ is nearly 70mil sps and 202skills. If i could use those sp's and "re-spec" him... he'd be another 25% more evil. =-
Klavis lychnuchus	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:29:00 - [102] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni Originally by: Klavis lychnuchus after over two and a half years and I've almost got the skills to fly a cap ship. Yay! I'm new......... please tell me thats a joking exaggeration............................... ..... Well, to be more accurate, 2 and a half years of nearly getting the skills to fly the flavour of the month before it gets nerfed. I think I'm going to get the skills for a Falcon in time tho! Uh... Zulupark isn't reading this is he?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:37:00 - [103] Some bitter truths and epic misunderstandings. 10/10 for amusement, 5/10 for spotting every flaw in Eve in minutes, 0/10 for actually playing the game. Still, maybe it will push the developers to work harder to overcome some of the really annoying things (the first 14 days really suck, the game has the veneer of PVE, but it's really a PVP game at heart, etc). -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Terail Zoqial Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:40:00 - [104] I thought it was utter pants, I know it's just for shits n' giggles but it was painfully lame. The WoW similarity was lazy, he only tried out a tiny percentage of the game and went for the cheap "interweb gamers=geeks" slant which is lazy and cheap. Hell, there were many cheap shots he could have gone for, yet failed. I feel disappointed he didn't rip into eve for the right reasons, he put no effort into it. I'm no CCP/eve fanboi, but he could have made the show a shed load more amusing. - 100 points for being a lazy bum
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:44:00 - [105] Obviously he doesnt touch upon EVE's strong points playing like that, but he summed up EVE accurately for the population that it seems ccp caters the most to atm. Vote against the nano nerf!
Xtreem Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:48:00 - [106] its odd, i agreed with most things he said, yet still like the game lol :D
Kalamity James Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:04:00 - [107] The nerd rage has been immense to this one. Scrapheap challenge, zero punctuation and this site sometimes carry links and discussions about yahtzee's rants and reviews, very often about how he is one of the 'few reviewers who get's it and can be honest...' and now he has hit close to home. And guess what, people dont like it. To be frank I think he hits home alot of the problems that are inherent to the game. Alot of people have said about him only trying PVE, but with only some 20%odd of people being in 0.0 I think its fair to say that he played the part, most played, by most people; and to be fair the missions tend to get boring rather quickly due to their nature. The skill system has dissapeared so far up its own arse that it has filled itself with pointless side tracks that seem intent on bewildering new players and adding pointless side skills just to give older players an extra bit of polish. Sometimes ceilings are 'good'. Eve just got judged by a known figure and was found wanting. I expect any change to redress the balance and make it easier on new players will be met with the usual howls and wails from older players who havent seen the goal posts move because they've been on the pitch at the same time but it wouldnt hurt to take some of the comments on board from here and ZP and evolve the game rather than just let it continue to run down its current avenue.
Grishius Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:05:00 - [108] I love each and every of his reviews just for laughs. Because when someone thinks that 'The Witcher'(which is the best thing as far as storytelling and roleplaying goes since Planescape Torment) is boring based on first chapter, which basically is a glorified tutorial, that's all you have left: Laughs. LOL.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Lala Ru though Portal is the only game he couldn't find anything wrong with. Portal is the only game I could find anything wrong with either. To be honest without joining a player corp at the very least I don't understand how Eve can really be fun. I was really really excited about it pre-beta, got into beta7 and only ever played for about 15 minutes. Didn't pick up the game again for a year-ish because I knew 2 other people that were already playing it. Once they helped get me started I was hooked :o Mind you the game has also improved ALOT since then, though there is even more to learn.
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:12:00 - [110] Originally by: Reptzo Originally by: CCP Atropos As they say, any publicity is good publicity I must agree with this point. I have met a few people that joined EVE simply because someone else was complaining about what happened to them. This happened to me about three weeks ago, after installing the client on a friends computer to change a skill her boyfriend took an interest. After explaining how horrible the game was and begging him not to waste his time the bastard took up the trial. A week ago he subbed and joined a corp, so now if you see 'Katryn Black' please pod his dumbass so I can say I told you so
Jones Bones Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:15:00 - [111] I find it hilarious that the best way to spend a 14 day trial is to train all the learning skills. Love or hate EVE, it has the most ridiculous starting point of any game out there.
Nyoro n Caldari Interstellar Sparkle Dragons	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:19:00 - [112] Edited by: Nyoro n on 03/09/2008 23:19:57 I found it funny. Nyoro~N
Elminsters Hat Minmatar The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:32:00 - [113] He's absolutely right, about everything he said. But he didn't join a corp and he didn't pvp, so to me he didn't play the game I play.
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:37:00 - [114] Originally by: Kalamity James The nerd rage has been immense to this one. Scrapheap challenge, zero punctuation and this site sometimes carry links and discussions about yahtzee's rants and reviews, very often about how he is one of the 'few reviewers who get's it and can be honest...' and now he has hit close to home. And guess what, people dont like it. To be frank I think he hits home alot of the problems that are inherent to the game. Alot of people have said about him only trying PVE, but with only some 20%odd of people being in 0.0 I think its fair to say that he played the part, most played, by most people; and to be fair the missions tend to get boring rather quickly due to their nature. The skill system has dissapeared so far up its own arse that it has filled itself with pointless side tracks that seem intent on bewildering new players and adding pointless side skills just to give older players an extra bit of polish. Sometimes ceilings are 'good'. Eve just got judged by a known figure and was found wanting. I expect any change to redress the balance and make it easier on new players will be met with the usual howls and wails from older players who havent seen the goal posts move because they've been on the pitch at the same time but it wouldnt hurt to take some of the comments on board from here and ZP and evolve the game rather than just let it continue to run down its current avenue. This, pretty much. The "elite" few think that PVP keeps the world turning, but the fact is (according to legitimate sources), the 0.0 demographic is tiny. Assessing EVE based entirely on two weeks of mining and missions isn't entirely fair, but it is definitely understandable. And had he spent two weeks blasting around in an Ibis shooting civvie guns at stupid *gots in lowsec with some noob corp or another, would he really have been any more optimistic? The bottom line is that EVE is a game that cannibalizes it's new players with an abundance of cryptic jargon, a hostile user interface, and all the rest. Originally by:** "Bellum Eternus" Is 'speed tank' code for 'completely invulnerable'?
Gojyu Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:59:00 - [115] Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni Originally by: Klavis lychnuchus after over two and a half years and I've almost got the skills to fly a cap ship. Yay! I'm new......... please tell me thats a joking exaggeration............................... ..... I started the cap ship route very soon after joining. I'm just over a year old, and started training cap ships in december, I'll be flying one with good skills in october
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:01:00 - [116] ZP has an odd quirk about it. While Yahtzee is certainly cynical in his approach to gaming and tends to err on the side of what a game does wrong rather than what it does right he's almost invariably correct. The aspect of Eve that he experienced - the single player PvE aspect is undeiniably terrible. The learning curve for the game is not a curve at all, it's a flat plane in the tutorial followed by the walls of babylon. To the tutorial's credit it does hand you a spoon with which to tunnel slowly and painfully through that wall into understanding but I digress. Every single thing the man said about Eve is entirely accurate. All of his gripes are serious concerns that ought to be addressed at some point. I've often thought Eve could be fairly faithfully recreated in a text based format - afterall most of the important information I need is delivered in the form of columns of text. But to review the game from a purely single player perspective is certainly a limitation. When I was duped into play EA's attrocious cooperative shooter offering Army of Two I found myself continuing to play SOLELY because of the opportunity to play with a friend. The developer of a cooperative game merely creates a backdrop - the players themselvs create the fun. Any activity in Eve is made immeasuarably more entertaining simply by having a friend to talk to while conducting the activity. Mining may be the epitome of boring but if you like the people you are doing a mining op with you can have fun. PVE may be ruthlessly mind numbing but having a friend tag along makes it tolerable. There was however one singluar aspect of the review that I take issue with and that is the shin kick analogy for PVP. My own theory of Eve PVP combat revolves around the assumption of the distinct considerations (gank/tank and ewar). All else being equal the side that manages to achieve the best distribution of the three considerations will win. But therein lies the challenge. Proper balancing of a fleet, proper balancing of a fit and the indivdual players ability to determine which ship is best to kick at what time is what makes the game different than WoW.
Gevic	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Tamoko Edited by: Tamoko on 03/09/2008 23:55:06 This, pretty much. The "elite" few think that PVP keeps the world turning, but the fact is (according to legitimate sources), the 0.0 demographic is tiny. You know if you are refering to the economics blog, which I assuming you are, if people actually put two and two together with the statistics you would find something along the lines of 40-50% of the playerbase is mucking around 0.0 or lowsec. And thats not even counting the hordes of alt accounts from said players that use empire as a way to make isk or people who are solely interested in pvping in empire, and the various types of griefers that hang around empire space. Meaning that this silly notion that hisec carebears make up the majority of playerbase, is just that - a silly notion. As for the review, he is pretty much spot on, the new player experience is god awful, PvE is damn dull (strange that so many people only participate in that portion of eve), and the UI has always been meh. With the latest patch making things worse for some people.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:55:00 - [118] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 04/09/2008 00:57:19 I'm always in two minds over people complaining that the game they play hasn't got a fair shake in a review. On one hand I can sort of see the argument that they should persevere... after all street sweepers, proctologists, plumbers and prison officers have to immerse themselves in s**and filth so why shouldn't games journos get their hands dirty sometimes? On the other hand it seems to me that if I turn up to a job interview wearing trousers with stains on them and don't get the job then that's my problem for wearing said pants not the interviewers for failing to see past the initial flaws and recognise the awesomeness just under the surface that poor presentation obscured. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:26:00 - [119] Definitely agreed with the comments about the UI... EVE's UI is horribly designed, clunky, and unintuitive. And it tends to have things like "blow my self up" right next to "warp", and "offline POS module" next to "use jump bridge" Seriously, if they spent 6 months re-doing the UI to be clean, functional, and intuitive, I'd be happy.
Gojyu Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:29:00 - [120] Quote: I'm always in two minds over people complaining that the game they play hasn't got a fair shake in a review. On one hand I can sort of see the argument that they should persevere... after all street sweepers, proctologists, plumbers and prison officers have to immerse themselves in s**and filth so why shouldn't games journos get their hands dirty sometimes? On the other hand it seems to me that if I turn up to a job interview wearing trousers with ** stains on them and don't get the job then that's my problem for wearing said pants not the interviewers for failing to see past the initial flaws and recognise the awesomeness just under the surface that poor presentation obscured. Ironically, I'm reminded of a point brought up by yahtzee in his halo 3 review. A good game doesn't need to make excuses. If you've got "a good game once you get through all the bad bits" you haven't got a good game, you've got a mediocre game with good aspects weighed down with crap
Ghost Reaper Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:48:00 - [121] this is quite funny along the same lines http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ljZ5HYxJA&feature=related
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:18:00 - [122] Very dissapointing. Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. He could be so much better, like "reviewing" the Fleet-lag-battles, sov system, and the design of some ships, including the bashing of Titan players (especially the AVATAR), who have to fly such ships so they can feel BIG and POWERFUL when they blast a fully LOAD onto other players. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:19:00 - [123] Haahahah, funny but true. Out of the 10 odd points he brought up, around 8 of them were right. If he'd have played more then 14 days I'd have loved to have seen him tearing his hair out at the tireless jump gate grinding from one identical solar system to the next, whereas those of us who grind through just become sort of numb to it after a while. It takes around a year to get a fully learned up and skilled char specced in a tech 2 ship anyway. I didn't start to become useful till around 9 million skillpoints and even by then by gunnery skills were abysmal and I've been working on then ever since. People say no you don't you specialise, but they don't take into account, energy management, navigational skills, training weapons to do even remotely decent dps etc..., it all piles up and up. 2 1/2 months to get learning skills up to the required level letalont the rest. But it's hard to expect him to try it for that long, I fully understand the lack of willpower of a casual gamer to try and get into the main elements of the game, I've heard the same from all of them who didn't like eve after the trial, the ridiculously tiresome interface and time sink that eve makes itself into in order to even try and set stuff or event up to have some fun is ridiculous and too much like hard work, like arranging a board meeting or summat. Also the combat is just like other MMO's like he said aswell. Two or more entities shooting each other with ridiculously powerful looking weapons only to barely scratch each other (shin kicking) until one realises he's going to lose then panics, hahahaha.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:23:00 - [124] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. I guess you've never been in an active .0-based alliance or corp then. I wish a had 10 isk for all the times I've heard EVE referred to as: "Second Job" The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:26:00 - [125] Originally by: Doc Fury Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. I guess you've never been in an active .0-based alliance or corp then. I wish a had 10 isk for all the times I've heard EVE referred to as: "Second Job" Lol sure I was. It's your problem if you like to fuel a POS or join a Corp/Alliance that want you to be online 24/7. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Grimm Angel	Posted - 2008.09.04 03:20:00 - [126] hey dev's why don't you create him a character and give him like 2 years worth of skills or something and let him play in pvp? or something like that so he gets out a bit. though i do think you really need the player interaction and the hard earned money behind the pvp, otherwise it's just test server. 1billion isk ship gets blown up? ahh go to station get another, no big deal. where as after playing for a year or two that'll leave you crying for a week
diabolic clone Amarr Anomaly Collective	Posted - 2008.09.04 03:47:00 - [127] That was such a harsh review, if I saw that before I ever played this game I probably never would of touched EVE. I found it funny though that he was blasting nerds while having probably one of the nerdiest jobs in existance that panders to nerds. Anyway I gotta get back to my second job, EVE is calling.
Spenz Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:01:00 - [128] He hit the nail on the head in everything he said. Couldn't be more true. Am I going to stop playing? No. Why? Why will I keep playing even though I agree with this scathing, albeit funny review? Because the review only mentioned the bad things, and was played from a point of view and with a mindset that would have inevitable led to a bad playing experience no matter what. EVE has many aspects that make it great and worth playing, and it was pretty obvious from the beginning that they weren't going to be mentioned in that review for several reasons (including POV and time limitations). I didn't take it seriously anyhow since I have only seen 1 positive review ever made by him. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:13:00 - [129] /me punches in hourly clock card thingy and logs into Eve Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
Uncle Mo Infusion.	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:51:00 - [130] Funny review. His always are
StealthGerbils	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:54:00 - [131] I agree in his complaint about all the solar systems being pretty similar. Thats because they are. There are like no permanent random objects or things in space to make different areas distinct, and you never see any random encounters or ores or anything in space other then what will always be there and random rat spawns. Also his point on shinkicking is right. In eve the only thing that you can do is overheat your stuff and that 1. takes a while to train for 2. you pretty much just turn it on and wait till you have to turn it off there is no way to slightly increase your dps. you just turn on your guns and wait, which can be kind of boring othe then that the guy is a ****** for not joining a corp or pvping at all but hes a goon so <3
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:04:00 - [132] Dear lord, fact you guys are turning this in to a debate proves one thing..... Nerds!!!!!! Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me chillout chaps, you know it was allways going to come... you asked for it, man delivers in style... And life goes on huh ______
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:05:00 - [133] Originally by: StealthGerbils there is no way to slightly increase your dps. you just turn on your guns and wait Not really, there's... Optimal Range / Falloff management Tracking management Orbit management (Neuts / Nos / Web / Disruptor / etc all need to be watched) Switching damage types (Projectile/Missiles) Drone management Etc...
Buff Plankchest Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:39:00 - [134] Originally by: Galk Dear lord, fact you guys are turning this in to a debate proves one thing..... Nerds!!!!!! Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me chillout chaps, you know it was allways going to come... you asked for it, man delivers in style... And life goes on huh Not for the Dominix that got capped by the Bestower
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:48:00 - [135] I loved his complaint about training skills while he was sleeping. He should have train them while he was awake to. But tell me another mmo where there isn't some sorta GRIND or lvling up? Tbh it was funny as hell
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:57:00 - [136] Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Thats going in my signature. Hope you don't mind. So true. Reviewing eve based on missions and not joining a corp is like reviewing battlefield2 based on solo melee combat The only true part was the last sentence "Unless paying for a second job is somehow more fun than you would expect." oddly enough, IT IS. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:12:00 - [137] Originally by: Richard Angevian Seriously, if they spent 6 months re-doing the UI to be clean, functional, and intuitive, I'd be happy. Hahahahahahahahahaha. wipes tears of face I DON'T THINK SO TIM. During the years the UI got revamped a couple of times and every time it just was a little bit better (but still appalling)
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:04:00 - [138] Funny, but not accurate. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:23:00 - [139] Edited by: midge Mo''yb on 04/09/2008 08:25:40 Originally by: 5pinDizzy It takes around a year to get a fully learned up and skilled char specced in a tech 2 ship anyway. I didn't start to become useful till around 9 million skillpoints and even by then by gunnery skills were abysmal and I've been working on then ever since. People say no you don't you specialise, but they don't take into account, energy management, navigational skills, training weapons to do even remotely decent dps etc..., it all piles up and up. 2 1/2 months to get learning skills up to the required level letalont the rest. *******s, my first and only t2 ship was an inty(bout 2 months training ?) for about 7 months while i trained up for a carrier, i did nothing but logon every day join a roaming gang and tackle/scout even managed to capture a few capitals jumping into ungunned pos's and call in the cavalry, this notion that you need a year of skills to progress in this game is absolute shite, you just need a goal and to know where/how to get there - the certification thingy coming out this winter should help with that a frigate with a web/scram is all you need to participate and have fun imo.(intys are just faster :P) as a matter of fact i have a 2 month old noob in my corp who, yesterday played bait and caught the corp a fleet issue tempest, he died in the procces but was stoked at what he had helped acheive, we replaced his ship and off we went roaming and killed another 20 guys :/ -----------------------------------------------
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:26:00 - [140] I love ZP, I watch it all the time. He is always sarcastic, but often puts a good point or two in there somewhere. His review of EVE is spot on, if you are an empire carebear who doesnt interact with anyone in anyway. But if you dont interact with anyone then why are you playing an MMO in the first place? Cheers CamMan Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:37:00 - [141] He knows a lot about games and presents a lot of insight and observations, he just tries to be comprehensible, funny and rude. And except the abundant swearing and ovedone insults of the audience it is really good humor. It is him who told you that he did not join a corp and why. He also tells you right from start the game is really not his cup of tea. In that light instead of trying to present his 14 day experiences as what the game is about he resorted to be uninvolved observer. He could hardly do any better. He could not partake in PvP, you do not just come across PvP to observe and the aspects of what PvP is about were there if you look, and he does not agree on the concepts as a whole - glorified chatroom, ruthless business and prevalence of strategy over interactivity.
Steph Song	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:08:00 - [142] Originally by: Faife (but no seriously, the interface needs to be modifiable by us... :) ) I'd settle for it not moving around after I dock/undock or jump through a gate. Or even if only my drone interface would stay put when I launched the drones.
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:16:00 - [143] Originally by: CCP Prism X But he also refused to leave the NPC corp so, that's like refusing to leave Deathknell with your level 19 undead rogue (shit, why do I know this?!) Hearsay! Hearsay!
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:00:00 - [144] I remember my friend quiting Eve because he said it was "Boring in PVP and too commiting when you need to earn ISK" Well, guess what - the only PVP ship he could fly was stealth bomber and he earned his isks being salvage thief. When I learned that i went "yeah, sure, that explains it..." But second job you have to pay for is a sad truth... ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:07:00 - [145] i coudlnt stop laughing cause tbh its so true
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:17:00 - [146] Originally by: Ikvar As usual Yahtzee gets it totally right, if that bastard had have done this 2 months ago I would have remembered why I quit in the first place and wouldn't have had to waste money on 2 months of subs to remember instead. Fail Ikvar! Hows stuff there? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:35:00 - [147] Quote: Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me I slept in these clothes EVE RELATED CONTENT
Original Copy Forge Regional Security	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:43:00 - [148] Originally by: Skaaj I lol'd.... then I cried... cause he's not wrong Too right, too right by far! As an owner/manager of a 'player run corporation' I agree with this run-on bloke 100%. I also PvP, and my shins after so many years are as hard as iron, I can take the plinks of the average 14 year old zitmonster with hardly a flinch, no matter how much they smack in local that their T1 fitted thorax can't instagank my Paladin (fully faction kitted hangar hugger) shortly before their blinky red ship is followed by their blinky red pod because they failed to realize that their ECM drones could have jammed me sensesless without half trying. Yes, eve can be stultifyingly booooooring... Unless you Pew Pew Pew, which makes it relative fun, so long as you're the Iron-Shinned Hot-dropped-carrier pilot chasing down empty haulers.
Tranka Verrane Caldari Private Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:01:00 - [149] Despite not owning a console I watch the reviews by ZP each week (in much the same way as I watch Top Gear despite not having a car) and was suprised and delighted this week to find that he was reviewing my dear favourite Eve. In the way of such things I should offer a riposte to the review as a 'hardcore fan': Right at the outset ZP states he isn't going to have anything to do with corporations. Well, OK. That being, kind of, uh, the point of Eve, you may as well stop here. That's like stating you're going to review WOW but you don't want to have anything to do with any of that magic palaver. Cue lots of jokes about overweight bespectacled smelly whiny nerds. Erm. I don't think I fall into any of those categories, but the only other person I know in the real world who plays Eve does, so it makes me wonder... Well, he isn't whiny, but I kind of am at times, so I guess we make a set. Bored, bored, bored, eyestrain. As a summary of Eve it leaves out a lot, but I can accept it. I certainly find myself bored a lot, and were it not for the fact of the timebased training system I would probably have quit. However that means you hang in there waiting for some interesting expansion that is always just around the corner because then you will be so much more uber than the newbies who have just been pulled in, haha. Fortunately usually you end up making something interesting to do yourself, this being a sandbox, and you having the benefit of YOUR CORPORATION. Then there is the 'I don't understand it so it's rubbish' argument. Er, no. I don't think I even need to point out the flaw in this one. Zp next complains that battles are of the 'fight till you look like you're going to lose then try to run away' variety. Erm. Isn't that true of all battles? Not just in gaming, but in the real world too. That's rather like complaining that when you played this game you still needed oxygen. The training system; yes, it isn't perfect. I would like something that increased with how much you played the game. Oh wait a minute, there is. The more you play the game the more you understand it, something that isn't necessary in WOW and the like because you understand them after about three hours. Plus you get money and better social standing with NPC's, which pays off in its own ways too. 'Missions are all just variations on go here and shoot things'. Well, yes. I'll give you that one. I would like to see more complexity in missions but as they are just one of the million things you can do and mainly aimed at casual players it doesn't really concern me too much. Ultimately I think you missed the point of Eve, ZP, because you failed to understand what a corporation is. If you think that it means you get given a cubicle and are told to sort beans till we get back to you you are imposing wow-like grind onto the terminology of Eve and making two plus two equal 3. I hate this particular piece of terminology, but there is an apt two-word summary for this review. ZP: Epic Fail. Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:12:00 - [150] The review was funny, but inaccurate on pretty much every point, if only for misunderstanding where the elements he tried out fit into the overall scheme of things. All the comments going on about how EVE is too boring and too complicated are making me feel like a goddamn intellectual though.
Klavis lychnuchus	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:19:00 - [151] Edited by: Klavis lychnuchus on 04/09/2008 13:20:22 Originally by: Derek Sigres ZP has an odd quirk about it. While Yahtzee is certainly cynical in his approach to gaming and tends to err on the side of what a game does wrong rather than what it does right he's almost invariably correct. The aspect of Eve that he experienced - the single player PvE aspect is undeiniably terrible... ... Every single thing the man said about Eve is entirely accurate. All of his gripes are serious concerns that ought to be addressed at some point... QFT! This guy speaks sense. The Pve system that currently exists within eve IS hopelessly and irredeemably boring, frustratingly so. The reward, if you can deal with the pain of boredom strangely leads to a kind of bloody minded satisfaction. Satisfaction that after six straight hours you have made maybe 300 Million isk ratting, missioning or whatever. Satisfaction that after months of waiting you have that skill or item. Satisfaction that at last you can use some of those painted wonders in the window of the **ensian toymaker that I've had my nose pressed up against the window for... for yonkers! Taunting gits! But it brings me to this: Originally by:** Gojyu Ironically, I'm reminded of a point brought up by yahtzee in his halo 3 review. A good game doesn't need to make excuses. If you've got "a good game once you get through all the bad bits" you haven't got a good game, you've got a mediocre game with good aspects weighed down with crap More truth but it also pretty much manages to describe every other MMO out there, including Eve. None of them has really achieved anything better... yet. Meanwhile I'll play Eve because it has spaceships and I can blow stuff up and it's the best example of a sci-fi space MMO to date and I kinda like the frustratingly slow pace, despite myself. So until something 'better' comes along, I'll see you out there.
HenkieBoy Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:36:00 - [152] Well.. most players don't agree with the review BUT they should ask themselfs, what are we (and CCP) doing wrong that gives out that impression? If this is the impression he had of EVE that means alot of new players have the same impression and stop playing it after the trial.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:36:00 - [153] Originally by: HenkieBoy Well.. most players don't agree with the review BUT they should ask themselfs, what are we (and CCP) doing wrong that gives out that impression? If this is the impression he had of EVE that means alot of new players have the same impression and stop playing it after the trial. That is because EVE is not the game they are looking for. The New Player Experience is working as intended.
Vayn Baxtor Fighting While Intoxicated	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:37:00 - [154] Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/09/2008 16:46:39 I liked the bestower shooting the dominix. I liked the dominix... shooting from it's ARSE!
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:28:00 - [155] That was a funny review, and if it not been about EVE, I may have managed to laugh. I did find his insulting sterotypes of the EVE playerbase (whiners notwithstanding, we do whine a lot) as super nerds wrong. Although my missus says she does like EVE, but she finds it too complicated. I always leave it at that but silently think what's complciated about it? Read about the skills, plan them in EVEmon... then undock, target... F1, F2, F3, F4 etc How can being in range be complicated? In wow if you're out of range, you cannot hit your target. It's pretty much the same whereever you go. To say you're avoiding player coprs like the plague... well what is the point of playing a MMO if you're going to avoid player interaction? What would people say if he slammed WoW cos the PVE at level 70 was dull and he didn't want to group to raid Molten Core (or whatever level you can grind to in 14 days)? It's typical British pseudo humerous cynicism with a light sprinkling of factual fail Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
JadeMotoko Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:00:00 - [156] ...and wtf is Tactical Logistics Configuration? lmao. Oh God, one of his best reviews yet. -The more you know the shorter your life gets- Join The Family
Elrca Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:06:00 - [157] This is the most acurate review about EvE .....
JadeMotoko Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:10:00 - [158] Originally by: HenkiBoy Well.. most players don't agree with the review BUT they should ask themselfs, what are we (and CCP) doing wrong that gives out that impression? If this is the impression he had of EVE that means alot of new players have the same impression and stop playing it after the trial. Oh and CCP, nor anyone else for that matter should take this review seriously, after all, Yahtzee claims almost all the games he has reviewed a shit (with the acception of Portal) becuase people wanna hear it, and it keeps people watching. True EVE has a learning curve but it is not stopping new players joining and loving the game as much as die hard players...Some people were just born with the WoW gene, as much as we hate them we shouldn't. After all you wouldn't hate a kid in a wheelchair. -The more you know the shorter your life gets- Join The Family
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:26:00 - [159] Originally by: JadeMotoko Originally by: HenkiBoy Well.. most players don't agree with the review BUT they should ask themselfs, what are we (and CCP) doing wrong that gives out that impression? If this is the impression he had of EVE that means alot of new players have the same impression and stop playing it after the trial. Oh and CCP, nor anyone else for that matter should take this review seriously, after all, Yahtzee claims almost all the games he has reviewed a shit (with the acception of Portal) becuase people wanna hear it, and it keeps people watching. True EVE has a learning curve but it is not stopping new players joining and loving the game as much as die hard players...Some people were just born with the WoW gene, as much as we hate them we shouldn't. After all you wouldn't hate a kid in a wheelchair. Kids in wheelchairs are the best ones to hate. After all, hey, what are they gonna do? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Diarrhea Aguilera	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:23:00 - [160] Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 04/09/2008 16:23:53 Originally by: Malcanis Kids in wheelchairs are the best ones to hate. After all, hey, what are they gonna do? Kick your shin? Oh wait...
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:24:00 - [161] Originally by: Kwa Kaine He pretty much hit the nail on the head tbh. This. To be honest though, he spent 14 days making money and avoiding what the game was completely about (PvP, if you haven't heard) - so, its an incomplete review at best . However, who was the idiot that suggested he review us and not tell him to ignore the boring shit and get into combat? smack Football? Hell yes.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:42:00 - [162] Ahahaha, love it CCP, whenever you think about going mainstream, 'cause you managed to get 50k players addicted enough to start up 2 or 3 alt accounts, watch this and think again
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:53:00 - [163] Personally, I find that Yahtzee hits the nail on the head when it comes to faults, but where he is *****ing like it's the end of the world, I accept the faults as annoying, but continue to enjoy the game (Ninja Gaiden 2 f.ex). Anyway, if this review sways people to not sign up then that's probably a good thing. We don't want or need people like that (or more of them anyway ). As a corp mate of mine said: "He just doesn't get EVE" And as for if I restarted the game as a new character, I'd still stick it out, as the game is still as it was described to me. Pretty much an MMO version of Elite (For those old enough to have played or even know what Elite was). Akkarin I don't mean to sound bitter and twisted, but I am, so that's how it comes out. <3 - Immy
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:35:00 - [164] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :) Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right? Yep, humor is the entire purpose of his reviews (I hope). Any gamer who actually makes their decision based on his reviews doesn't deserve to be called a gamer.
BloodyWomble	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:29:00 - [165] Edited by: BloodyWomble on 04/09/2008 18:33:56 English pompous *** says some stuff he truly know nothing about supposedly derived from a 14 day trial. And no its not becasue he is hitting nails on the head or pointing out awful truths about the game we so much enjoy. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and that is all I heard. Michael moores love child ? To the idiots who said they love his review, Do you aactually agree with the content and if so why are you still playing the game ? Or perhaps you get tittalated by a not so well spoken english *** mixing swears words into every sentance to force a nonesensical rant.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:12:00 - [166] Originally by: BloodyWomble To the idiots who said they love his review, Do you actually agree with the content and if so why are you still playing the game ? I don't love his review but I think he has some good points. EVE has problems with UI, learning curve, lack of documentation, lag (not everything was mentioned in review). You can't deny it. Heck, even dev's don't deny this. Fortunately EVE has a lot to offer a player so we still love and play this game. Yahtzee failed to spot those things because he didn't comit to game. He played a week or so, didn't leave NPC corp. Of course he also got some things completely wrong. Real time skill system in EVE is a lot better than levelling in WoW. I am happy developers didn't take his review too seriously. You guys are doing good job. Just keep pushing and fix the bugs.
Scagga Laebetrovo Evil Bastards	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:42:00 - [167] lol "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Rufus Ionone Caldari Disturbing Creations Laboratories Ltd New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:50:00 - [168] In the comments section for the video I found a lot of people who took the review seriously and decided that, on Yahtzee's say-so, EVE was thorughly bad. I seriously love yahtzee but, honestly, who in their right mind would ever take him seriously?
Niko medes Gallente Dark Dominion	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:56:00 - [169] lol what a AMAZING REVIEW. Though i disagree just bc I think eve is awesome. He is so damn right about alot of things lol.. though he did make the mistake to not join a player owned corp and only shot npcs. A prime example of a true carebear. Dark Dominion
s33ker Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.09.04 20:20:00 - [170] TBH I'm offended by this guy... not because of what he's saying... that part is all good and true... rather because he thinks he can just come out and say, after a 14 day trial, what I have spent 3 years figuring out...
Minami Sayuri	Posted - 2008.09.04 20:33:00 - [171] As much as I love EVE, that was the brutal truth... ^^;; Thought it may be the truth, I'm going to keep playing EVE and keep kicking those NPC's in the shins.
TimMc Gallente SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2008.09.05 14:05:00 - [172] Going to try to make a quote-worthy statement here... FPS games are Kill Bill World of Warcraft is Lord of the Rings movies and Eve Online is Citizen Kane Most people want their wasted time back, but those who get it claim it to be the best.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.05 14:09:00 - [173] I actually find that while his reviews are over the top in style, I would agree with a more serious restatement of almost every one of the ones which are on games I have played. I would trust his reviews over most the crap on the Internet, accounting for his style of course. - DesuSigs
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2008.09.05 14:38:00 - [174] Edited by: mishkof on 05/09/2008 14:39:23 His reviews are entertainment, and they are entertaining. His opinions however, are to be taken with a grain of salt. He reviewed Halo 3 and purposely left out the multiplayer portion of it...umm yeah; it will get bad reviews if you do that. Again, not participating in player run corps cuts you off from a sizable portion of the game. He is right about a lot of things however, mainly if you have no direction then the game(Eve) is EXTREMELY boring. I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Lord Regulus Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.09.05 15:10:00 - [175] Well, I can't really find a logical flaw in anything he said. I've often felt like the only reason I play Eve instead of, I don't know, making actual, real-life money is that I'm a goddamn idiot (when asked what it was all about at PAX, I replied "Eve is BDSM in space. Eve will swallow you whole, s*t you out and sell you for a pack of smokes, and you will come crawling back because you like* it."). Sure, opting out of a player corp is like showing up at an orgy and sitting in the corner the whole time, but then again, no one wants that many STDs (metaphorically, in this case, the responsibilities of corp membership...? Or would that be the equivalent of getting some chick knocked up? And do I have to sleep with my corpmates?). Glorified social-networking chat client edition of Excel in space, now with added pixel shaders, anyone? Plus, my understanding is that Croshaw's a Goon, so brownie points for going against the grain on that one. ----- Anyone who makes a point of telling you they never beat around the bush is beating around the bush.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 15:24:00 - [176] Originally by: Lord Regulus Edited by: Lord Regulus on 05/09/2008 15:19:56 Well, I can't really find a logical flaw in anything he said. I've often felt like the only reason I play Eve instead of, I don't know, making actual, real-life money is that I'm a goddamn idiot (when asked what it was all about at PAX, I replied "Eve is BDSM in space. Eve will swallow you whole, s*t you out and sell you for a pack of smokes, and you will come crawling back because you like* it."). Sure, opting out of a player corp is like showing up at an orgy and sitting in the corner the whole time, but then again, no one wants that much VD (metaphorically, in this case, the responsibilities of corp membership...? Or would that be the equivalent of getting some chick knocked up? And do I have to sleep with my corpmates to complete the analogy?). Glorified social-networking chat client edition of Excel in space, now with added pixel shaders, anyone? Plus, my understanding is that Croshaw's a Goon, so brownie points for going against the grain on that one. On a scale from one to sauce, this review is f**king ravioli. 26 out of 10, would watch again. If I was allowed to use missile launchers in real life I wouldn't play EvE. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:33:00 - [177] Better Review that made me laugh harder when I saw it to be honest.
Joxxy	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:51:00 - [178] I simply love his reviews ! If you bother to watch Smash Mario Bros ( or whatever its called ) that he did and reply to hate mail he did 2 weeks later the man himself stated - Im a critic, its my job. That being said - I loved the review They are allaways funny a full of PWNAGE and WIN !
Huggs Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.09.05 20:11:00 - [179] Great review! ________________________________________________ If you're buyin'.. I'm flyin' and they're dyin' [email protected]
JackTheRipper21	Posted - 2008.09.06 05:09:00 - [180] Edited by: JackTheRipper21 on 06/09/2008 05:09:31 lol it looks like EVE took its ad off the Escapist Site
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.09.06 08:59:00 - [181] pretty funny i lol'd but 14 days with eve is hardly enough time to play eve and review it but one the U.I. and second job references correct . whenever i have had the "joy" of onlining a pos i have found myself wishing thiniking exactly that it's a second job that doesn't pay * *
TimMc Gallente SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2008.09.06 09:18:00 - [182] Originally by: JackTheRipper21 Edited by: JackTheRipper21 on 06/09/2008 05:09:31 lol it looks like EVE took its ad off the Escapist Site I respect both parties, but yatzee decided not to have fun when playing Eve.
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.09.06 11:21:00 - [183] Yahtzee Croshaw, who does ZP is not a great fan of MMOs in the first place, but he does try. Even though I think he misses the point of MMOs (the social/team element), most of his contention points are spot on."... feels like paying to have a second job..." NAILED IT! I laughed, and that is why I watch his reviews
irion felpamy Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.09.06 11:31:00 - [184] To the people asking why he didn't pvp and join a player corp, bear in mind he is on a trial account most corps won't accept them, if he playing from a new player stubled in point of veiw he won't know of the ones that will that are worth joining. If you look at the game from the point of view of someone who has only the banner ad for intial information takes a trial and tries to figure it out as you go along eve doesn't offer much. The interface is horrible. He missed the best parts of the game out, however most people will.
Joza Gulikoza The first genesis	Posted - 2008.09.06 11:36:00 - [185] Watched a few of his reviews it was fun at first but repetitive repetitive repetitive. You see one you seen them all.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.09.06 18:55:00 - [186] eve needs more reviews good bad inaccurate and blinded by the shiny lasers are all great for the game Trashed sig, Shark was here

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