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Ghost Reaper Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:48:00 - [121] this is quite funny along the same lines http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ljZ5HYxJA&feature=related
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:18:00 - [122] Very dissapointing. Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. He could be so much better, like "reviewing" the Fleet-lag-battles, sov system, and the design of some ships, including the bashing of Titan players (especially the AVATAR), who have to fly such ships so they can feel BIG and POWERFUL when they blast a fully LOAD onto other players. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:19:00 - [123] Haahahah, funny but true. Out of the 10 odd points he brought up, around 8 of them were right. If he'd have played more then 14 days I'd have loved to have seen him tearing his hair out at the tireless jump gate grinding from one identical solar system to the next, whereas those of us who grind through just become sort of numb to it after a while. It takes around a year to get a fully learned up and skilled char specced in a tech 2 ship anyway. I didn't start to become useful till around 9 million skillpoints and even by then by gunnery skills were abysmal and I've been working on then ever since. People say no you don't you specialise, but they don't take into account, energy management, navigational skills, training weapons to do even remotely decent dps etc..., it all piles up and up. 2 1/2 months to get learning skills up to the required level letalont the rest. But it's hard to expect him to try it for that long, I fully understand the lack of willpower of a casual gamer to try and get into the main elements of the game, I've heard the same from all of them who didn't like eve after the trial, the ridiculously tiresome interface and time sink that eve makes itself into in order to even try and set stuff or event up to have some fun is ridiculous and too much like hard work, like arranging a board meeting or summat. Also the combat is just like other MMO's like he said aswell. Two or more entities shooting each other with ridiculously powerful looking weapons only to barely scratch each other (shin kicking) until one realises he's going to lose then panics, hahahaha.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:23:00 - [124] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. I guess you've never been in an active .0-based alliance or corp then. I wish a had 10 isk for all the times I've heard EVE referred to as: "Second Job" The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:26:00 - [125] Originally by: Doc Fury Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Complaining about the Skillsystem and calling it a 2nd Job you have to pay for, when it's the most casual friendly MMORPG on the Markt. I guess you've never been in an active .0-based alliance or corp then. I wish a had 10 isk for all the times I've heard EVE referred to as: "Second Job" Lol sure I was. It's your problem if you like to fuel a POS or join a Corp/Alliance that want you to be online 24/7. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Grimm Angel	Posted - 2008.09.04 03:20:00 - [126] hey dev's why don't you create him a character and give him like 2 years worth of skills or something and let him play in pvp? or something like that so he gets out a bit. though i do think you really need the player interaction and the hard earned money behind the pvp, otherwise it's just test server. 1billion isk ship gets blown up? ahh go to station get another, no big deal. where as after playing for a year or two that'll leave you crying for a week
diabolic clone Amarr Anomaly Collective	Posted - 2008.09.04 03:47:00 - [127] That was such a harsh review, if I saw that before I ever played this game I probably never would of touched EVE. I found it funny though that he was blasting nerds while having probably one of the nerdiest jobs in existance that panders to nerds. Anyway I gotta get back to my second job, EVE is calling.
Spenz Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:01:00 - [128] He hit the nail on the head in everything he said. Couldn't be more true. Am I going to stop playing? No. Why? Why will I keep playing even though I agree with this scathing, albeit funny review? Because the review only mentioned the bad things, and was played from a point of view and with a mindset that would have inevitable led to a bad playing experience no matter what. EVE has many aspects that make it great and worth playing, and it was pretty obvious from the beginning that they weren't going to be mentioned in that review for several reasons (including POV and time limitations). I didn't take it seriously anyhow since I have only seen 1 positive review ever made by him. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:13:00 - [129] /me punches in hourly clock card thingy and logs into Eve Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
Uncle Mo Infusion.	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:51:00 - [130] Funny review. His always are
StealthGerbils	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:54:00 - [131] I agree in his complaint about all the solar systems being pretty similar. Thats because they are. There are like no permanent random objects or things in space to make different areas distinct, and you never see any random encounters or ores or anything in space other then what will always be there and random rat spawns. Also his point on shinkicking is right. In eve the only thing that you can do is overheat your stuff and that 1. takes a while to train for 2. you pretty much just turn it on and wait till you have to turn it off there is no way to slightly increase your dps. you just turn on your guns and wait, which can be kind of boring othe then that the guy is a ****** for not joining a corp or pvping at all but hes a goon so <3
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:04:00 - [132] Dear lord, fact you guys are turning this in to a debate proves one thing..... Nerds!!!!!! Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me chillout chaps, you know it was allways going to come... you asked for it, man delivers in style... And life goes on huh ______
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:05:00 - [133] Originally by: StealthGerbils there is no way to slightly increase your dps. you just turn on your guns and wait Not really, there's... Optimal Range / Falloff management Tracking management Orbit management (Neuts / Nos / Web / Disruptor / etc all need to be watched) Switching damage types (Projectile/Missiles) Drone management Etc...
Buff Plankchest Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:39:00 - [134] Originally by: Galk Dear lord, fact you guys are turning this in to a debate proves one thing..... Nerds!!!!!! Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me chillout chaps, you know it was allways going to come... you asked for it, man delivers in style... And life goes on huh Not for the Dominix that got capped by the Bestower
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:48:00 - [135] I loved his complaint about training skills while he was sleeping. He should have train them while he was awake to. But tell me another mmo where there isn't some sorta GRIND or lvling up? Tbh it was funny as hell
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:57:00 - [136] Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Thats going in my signature. Hope you don't mind. So true. Reviewing eve based on missions and not joining a corp is like reviewing battlefield2 based on solo melee combat The only true part was the last sentence "Unless paying for a second job is somehow more fun than you would expect." oddly enough, IT IS. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:12:00 - [137] Originally by: Richard Angevian Seriously, if they spent 6 months re-doing the UI to be clean, functional, and intuitive, I'd be happy. Hahahahahahahahahaha. wipes tears of face I DON'T THINK SO TIM. During the years the UI got revamped a couple of times and every time it just was a little bit better (but still appalling)
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:04:00 - [138] Funny, but not accurate. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:23:00 - [139] Edited by: midge Mo''yb on 04/09/2008 08:25:40 Originally by: 5pinDizzy It takes around a year to get a fully learned up and skilled char specced in a tech 2 ship anyway. I didn't start to become useful till around 9 million skillpoints and even by then by gunnery skills were abysmal and I've been working on then ever since. People say no you don't you specialise, but they don't take into account, energy management, navigational skills, training weapons to do even remotely decent dps etc..., it all piles up and up. 2 1/2 months to get learning skills up to the required level letalont the rest. *******s, my first and only t2 ship was an inty(bout 2 months training ?) for about 7 months while i trained up for a carrier, i did nothing but logon every day join a roaming gang and tackle/scout even managed to capture a few capitals jumping into ungunned pos's and call in the cavalry, this notion that you need a year of skills to progress in this game is absolute shite, you just need a goal and to know where/how to get there - the certification thingy coming out this winter should help with that a frigate with a web/scram is all you need to participate and have fun imo.(intys are just faster :P) as a matter of fact i have a 2 month old noob in my corp who, yesterday played bait and caught the corp a fleet issue tempest, he died in the procces but was stoked at what he had helped acheive, we replaced his ship and off we went roaming and killed another 20 guys :/ -----------------------------------------------
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:26:00 - [140] I love ZP, I watch it all the time. He is always sarcastic, but often puts a good point or two in there somewhere. His review of EVE is spot on, if you are an empire carebear who doesnt interact with anyone in anyway. But if you dont interact with anyone then why are you playing an MMO in the first place? Cheers CamMan Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:37:00 - [141] He knows a lot about games and presents a lot of insight and observations, he just tries to be comprehensible, funny and rude. And except the abundant swearing and ovedone insults of the audience it is really good humor. It is him who told you that he did not join a corp and why. He also tells you right from start the game is really not his cup of tea. In that light instead of trying to present his 14 day experiences as what the game is about he resorted to be uninvolved observer. He could hardly do any better. He could not partake in PvP, you do not just come across PvP to observe and the aspects of what PvP is about were there if you look, and he does not agree on the concepts as a whole - glorified chatroom, ruthless business and prevalence of strategy over interactivity.
Steph Song	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:08:00 - [142] Originally by: Faife (but no seriously, the interface needs to be modifiable by us... :) ) I'd settle for it not moving around after I dock/undock or jump through a gate. Or even if only my drone interface would stay put when I launched the drones.
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:16:00 - [143] Originally by: CCP Prism X But he also refused to leave the NPC corp so, that's like refusing to leave Deathknell with your level 19 undead rogue (shit, why do I know this?!) Hearsay! Hearsay!
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:00:00 - [144] I remember my friend quiting Eve because he said it was "Boring in PVP and too commiting when you need to earn ISK" Well, guess what - the only PVP ship he could fly was stealth bomber and he earned his isks being salvage thief. When I learned that i went "yeah, sure, that explains it..." But second job you have to pay for is a sad truth... ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:07:00 - [145] i coudlnt stop laughing cause tbh its so true
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:17:00 - [146] Originally by: Ikvar As usual Yahtzee gets it totally right, if that bastard had have done this 2 months ago I would have remembered why I quit in the first place and wouldn't have had to waste money on 2 months of subs to remember instead. Fail Ikvar! Hows stuff there? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:35:00 - [147] Quote: Anyone got an example of poor hygene for me I slept in these clothes EVE RELATED CONTENT
Original Copy Forge Regional Security	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:43:00 - [148] Originally by: Skaaj I lol'd.... then I cried... cause he's not wrong Too right, too right by far! As an owner/manager of a 'player run corporation' I agree with this run-on bloke 100%. I also PvP, and my shins after so many years are as hard as iron, I can take the plinks of the average 14 year old zitmonster with hardly a flinch, no matter how much they smack in local that their T1 fitted thorax can't instagank my Paladin (fully faction kitted hangar hugger) shortly before their blinky red ship is followed by their blinky red pod because they failed to realize that their ECM drones could have jammed me sensesless without half trying. Yes, eve can be stultifyingly booooooring... Unless you Pew Pew Pew, which makes it relative fun, so long as you're the Iron-Shinned Hot-dropped-carrier pilot chasing down empty haulers.
Tranka Verrane Caldari Private Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:01:00 - [149] Despite not owning a console I watch the reviews by ZP each week (in much the same way as I watch Top Gear despite not having a car) and was suprised and delighted this week to find that he was reviewing my dear favourite Eve. In the way of such things I should offer a riposte to the review as a 'hardcore fan': Right at the outset ZP states he isn't going to have anything to do with corporations. Well, OK. That being, kind of, uh, the point of Eve, you may as well stop here. That's like stating you're going to review WOW but you don't want to have anything to do with any of that magic palaver. Cue lots of jokes about overweight bespectacled smelly whiny nerds. Erm. I don't think I fall into any of those categories, but the only other person I know in the real world who plays Eve does, so it makes me wonder... Well, he isn't whiny, but I kind of am at times, so I guess we make a set. Bored, bored, bored, eyestrain. As a summary of Eve it leaves out a lot, but I can accept it. I certainly find myself bored a lot, and were it not for the fact of the timebased training system I would probably have quit. However that means you hang in there waiting for some interesting expansion that is always just around the corner because then you will be so much more uber than the newbies who have just been pulled in, haha. Fortunately usually you end up making something interesting to do yourself, this being a sandbox, and you having the benefit of YOUR CORPORATION. Then there is the 'I don't understand it so it's rubbish' argument. Er, no. I don't think I even need to point out the flaw in this one. Zp next complains that battles are of the 'fight till you look like you're going to lose then try to run away' variety. Erm. Isn't that true of all battles? Not just in gaming, but in the real world too. That's rather like complaining that when you played this game you still needed oxygen. The training system; yes, it isn't perfect. I would like something that increased with how much you played the game. Oh wait a minute, there is. The more you play the game the more you understand it, something that isn't necessary in WOW and the like because you understand them after about three hours. Plus you get money and better social standing with NPC's, which pays off in its own ways too. 'Missions are all just variations on go here and shoot things'. Well, yes. I'll give you that one. I would like to see more complexity in missions but as they are just one of the million things you can do and mainly aimed at casual players it doesn't really concern me too much. Ultimately I think you missed the point of Eve, ZP, because you failed to understand what a corporation is. If you think that it means you get given a cubicle and are told to sort beans till we get back to you you are imposing wow-like grind onto the terminology of Eve and making two plus two equal 3. I hate this particular piece of terminology, but there is an apt two-word summary for this review. ZP: Epic Fail. Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:12:00 - [150] The review was funny, but inaccurate on pretty much every point, if only for misunderstanding where the elements he tried out fit into the overall scheme of things. All the comments going on about how EVE is too boring and too complicated are making me feel like a goddamn intellectual though.

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