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Shinigami
Gallente
Shinra
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shinigami on 03/09/2008 18:38:43
It's too bad he didn't get to try POS warfare, and fleet battles. (The biggest failures in Eve.) I would have loved to hear his opinion of those. I think he was spot-on with most of what he said. Of course eve has other things that make it attractive. I'm sure they will get nerfed or patched out eventually though.
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Dee Caffari
Big S Triangle
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:37:00 -
[62]
Good example of why you shouldn't just stay in an NPC corp and run missions I guess. Made me glad I'd seen this the other day click for funny critique/parody of ZP
Still, it made me chuckle and he was right about the UI.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:46:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Dee Caffari
Good example of why you shouldn't just stay in an NPC corp and run missions I guess. Made me glad I'd seen this the other day click for funny critique/parody of ZP
Still, it made me chuckle and he was right about the UI.
Hilarious.
And so true.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Neoromi
Sounded like he had a very skewed perception on how alot of player run corps are.
He's a Goon, so his example of player-run corps is Goonfleet.
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SirKaill
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:56:00 -
[65]
i know he rags and rips on the game but god damn that was funny
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:58:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ordais
Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:34:26
Edited by: Ordais on 03/09/2008 18:33:36
He is right on one point: the first 2 weeks are simply crap.
Lets face it, beeing a noob in EVE is like having fun the first 1-3 days (depending on how long you play), then you realize that even if you dont train learings you cant do shit for 4-8 weeks.
I trained an alt just to get into FW, so i dont even mention money problems to get all skills. Focusing only on flying FRIGS and getting the necessary skills to at least have any chance, takes simply too long. Sure i can fly a frig the first day, but you cant use it, or simply not good enough.
That is EVEs biggest problem. Once you get past this first 2 months and join a CORP, you can do funny things.
Its kinda an opposite to other games where you first 2 weeks are the best parts of the game. In EVE this moment only lasts a few days.
My first two weeks were awesome. Sorry yours sucked.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
The Cosa Nostra
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:00:00 -
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He hates mahmahrpeguhrs, hates on Eve before he starts playing, does anything to not have fun, what a dumbass. He tries to troll but I'm placing him around the vicinity of 'masternerdguy', albeit a bit less literary challenged.
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Salvatory
Gallente
Glass House
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:08:00 -
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Same my first 2 weeks in eve where great also .
And i did joined a player corp after 2 weeks ,think that helped alot also.
First guy that killed me was ifni.
2005.07.01 19:51
Victim: Ulric Denrai
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: PISKURART.COM
Destroyed Type: Prophecy
Solar System: PVH8-0
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ifni (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I
That is my main was 2 months in eve 
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: LetsDoThis on 03/09/2008 19:22:44
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Sylvie Giovanni
It's hilarious that the developers of the game are endorsing the video, just wow :)
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right?
No, everything he said is well stated and fully justified.
Take 2 weeks and restart eve. No help from anyone. Randomize your character creation. Pretend that you can do anything meaningful besides doing missions early on and attempt to go do that stuff.
At the end of 14 days, analyze how far you've gotten, and how much you enjoyed it.
Kablammo, truth hurts.
And no, a review is to reflect your opinion on a game. His review of eve is bad for CCP. ZP is very well known. I wouldn't be so gleeful about his critique. /shrug
Finally, your opinion on player corporations as a prerequisite for fun neglects both your current and potential audience's needs and desires. (nice!)
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Ren Surkova
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:21:00 -
[70]
Originally by: NeoTheo
anyhoo, friday night ill go the pub get drunk, come home and bang the missus, while mr awsome there writes another "review"...
;)
yeah, bitterly reference the completely pedestrian things you do which aren't eve, that'll show him
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Takon Orlani
Caldari
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:26:00 -
[71]
He summed up my first 14 days pretty well. Someone should email him a link to this thread, not that he'd care.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:42:00 -
[72]
haha that was amazing.
the only thing he didn't get to experience was the fukin lag.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:53:00 -
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Of course I take him seriously, hes one of the few reviewers who are as hard to please as I am. His tastes reflect mine pretty damn closely.
If I were to restart eve i'd most assuredly not play beyond the first 14 days, and probably uninstall way before that. It took months to reach anything that i'd consider enjoyable. Thats a lot of ****ing patience to expect from potential customers.
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John Holt
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:54:00 -
[74]
You haven't really tried an MMO until you actually participate in the Massive Multiplayer aspect of the game.
John Holt
My Personal Eve Site
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:54:00 -
[75]
This zero punctuation guy is such an idiot. Not just on Eve, but on just about every other game he reviews.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:58:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Galk on 03/09/2008 20:01:37
Bored
Bored
Bored
Heh, he's so not wrong, but then again those voices in my head keep me at it
I think umm about 20+ years of playing football manager games in all various guises stood me in good stead for the various evils eve has to offer.
The ultimate spread sheets they say, beat that EvE online
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:00:00 -
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Lightly scathed compared to some of the other reviews; he's a self-confessed hater of all MMOs. C'est la merde!
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Zalathar
Minmatar
Stellar Research Incorporated
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:11:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Zalathar on 03/09/2008 20:11:52
This only proves that EVE requires intelligence and a bit fo time to enjoy to its full capacity. Time is something he of course lacks, being used to review FPSs and action games, and intelligence... well, if you dont realize that you wont have fun in game by grinding and not talking to anyone, and you ignore that the way to appreciate a game is to use all that it offers, i.e. teamwork and pvp, then you really should not be reviewing MMOs.
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Salvatory
Same my first 2 weeks in eve where great also .
And i did joined a player corp after 2 weeks ,think that helped alot also.
First guy that killed me was ifni.
2005.07.01 19:51
Victim: Ulric Denrai
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: PISKURART.COM
Destroyed Type: Prophecy
Solar System: PVH8-0
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ifni (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I
That is my main was 2 months in eve
Well hello there 
With the ZP review of EVE, it would be hypocritcal of me to say that I enjoy seeing things getting verbally molested, except when it's me, so I actually quite enjoyed his review of EVE. Additionally, the great thing about opinions is that everyone has one. That aside, his review did touch on some issues that we all know about (ui issues, learning curve) but I do believe he hobbled himself by simply refusing to take part.
As he himself states, he decided at the outset to be the man in the bushes observing his environment, and I find it mildly amusing that he then goes on usual verbal rampage, but without a valid understanding of the main fodder of an MMO; the multiplayer part. It constites one of the greatest parts of the design process, so to ignore it, is akin to saying that he's going to ignore the weapons in Super Mario Cart. The game ends up feeling decidedly one sided, and just not fun.
regardless of all the above, it was as valid as any other review, good or bad, and I hope that people both here at CCP and out there in the media and player base, take his review in the light I believe it to be; a light hearted rampage against whatever poor game he has in his sights. As they say, any publicity is good publicity
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:22:00 -
[80]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As they say, any publicity is good publicity
I must agree with this point. I have met a few people that joined EVE simply because someone else was complaining about what happened to them. They thought it was amazing that you could do that in a game. I think both of them got scammed, which was most righteous in the opinion of the listeners. I knew another guy that was reading about EVE in time magazine (or a similar one), about the huge scam that ended in the podding of some alliance heads, and the theft of insane amounts of corp assets. He thought it was amazing that someone would make a game, where scamming and theft were not only supported, but encouraged.
Just figured I would add that.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:28:00 -
[81]
Quote:
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with most of what was said - and consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun, in my experience. Doesn't stop it being funny though, which is what it's for, right?
Pretty much this.
ZP provides a very funny pseudo-review none of it should be taken seriously.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Vorace.
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:37:00 -
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Said review fails. Epicly.
Playing the game for 2 weeks (supposedly), not joining a player corporation, and attempting to play the game in single-player mode? You're obviously not going to get the proper image. Sorry, but the mere implying that its all about the "bigger boot" as well as the "complicated" skill system (you know, the skill descriptions are right there, not wanting to know isn't an excuse) just shows the lack of understanding of the game mechanics in my opinion.
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Ikvar
A Blue Goat
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:39:00 -
[83]
As usual Yahtzee gets it totally right, if that bastard had have done this 2 months ago I would have remembered why I quit in the first place and wouldn't have had to waste money on 2 months of subs to remember instead.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:41:00 -
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Agree or disagree, that was friggin' hilarious.
Serious analysis? He had a lot of correct facts and all the wrong application. Sure, the mechanics of shin-kicking in Eve are not stunningly different from WoW...but that's not what sets Eve apart from WoW to begin with. Perhaps his greatest failure in analysis (or greatest stroke of humorous genius) was his utter distaste and complete unwillingness to explore the aspects of Eve that might reveal why any real comparison of Eve and WoW is null and void from the word go.
10/10 for presentation and humor though. If you're gonna bash a game I enjoy, might as well make me laugh at myself 
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honour
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:10:00 -
[85]
what he only used one monitor for chissakes.
you need two or preferably 3 to get eveything on the screen you need.
only the intelligent stay. (praise the lord)
everyone else goes back to WOW cos its easier.
by the sound of it the new player experience hasnt changed much :) (see bio) :)
lev 5 missions should be for massive gang with mega reward
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Ma'kal
Caldari
SUNDERING
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:11:00 -
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This was the funniest review of Eve I have ever saw. All though I do love eve in some ways he is right. However, Eve is more than that, or at least I keep telling myself that. |
Dark Viceroy
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Salvatory
2005.07.01 19:51
Victim: Ulric Denrai
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: PISKURART.COM
Destroyed Type: Prophecy
Solar System: PVH8-0
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: CCP Atropos (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Anode Particle Stream I
That is my main was 2 months in eve
Well hello there
Fixed that killmail...looked a bit outdated |
Anneke Goulet
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroPunctuation
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online
Can I have your stuff? |
Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:41:00 -
[89]
Oh hai, here's my MMO review. Except I didn't interact with other players, didn't shoot other players in a pvp game and didn't do any research to gain a basic understanding of skills, character choice, game focus and basic strengths and weaknesses in Game X.
Utter fail
After all this time, a self-professed game playing expert should know better than to walk into a gunfight wielding a hotdog. He needs to stay away from MMOs if he's not going to do his homework unless he just wants to scream vitiperative noises into the mic.
I like ZP because he's on point with his bitterness, not just because he's bitter.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:43:00 -
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<3 Zero Punctuation. His reviews are funny.
Reviewing an MMO in an NPC corp (aka refusing to play with others) and whining that you can't fly a Titan in a week is pretty rofl.
I thought he'd be smart enough to point out that in other MMOs you grind for XP, but in EVE you grind for isk and if you are clever, you don't have to grind as much thus you have more free time for other activities. Unforunately, ZP couldn't figure out anything to do but grind, too bad for him.
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