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Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:37:00 - [91] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: goodby4u Now on the side of leadership(this will fall under the"most"catagory), men normally make judgement based on achievement, logic, and to a small degree feelings... Whereas a woman would make judgement based on personal security, feelings, and logic to a small degree.... And between the two I would trust a man to make decisions better Way too much generalisation there imo. How do you know how women make decisions? What makes your judgements any more logical? Yes, women express their emotions more but that dosen't mean they feel any more or less than you do. It's just the way we're brought up and the norms in our society (men get laughed at for showing emotions, but for women its normal) I could do the same, and say that most Male thought process is based on Ego/Pride above all else, but it would be just another stereotype. IMO the only actual difference is men tend to be physically stronger, and in the days where that mattered it gave them some kind of god-given power over women which is still stuck in a lot of people's heads today and is why, in a lot of cultures, men are still expected to be the dominant, enduring ones and women are still treated like needy, incompetant children destined to stay at home all day and cook. We're the same in our heads. It's just the way we're brought up. I thought this thread was going to be completely worthless. Good post _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:42:00 - [92] If women were in power, nothing would change. It has nothing to do with sex but has to do with governmental structure and the personalities it attracts. If tomorrow it became cosmic law that only women would rule, we would be *****ing about our politicians selling out for money, power, and war. destruction and threats come from the "human psyche" of fear. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.04 00:52:00 - [93] Originally by: Sharupak If women were in power, nothing would change. It has nothing to do with sex but has to do with governmental structure and the personalities it attracts. If tomorrow it became cosmic law that only women would rule, we would be *****ing about our politicians selling out for money, power, and war. destruction and threats come from the "human psyche" of fear. That's what the actual females in this thread have been saying all along .
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:08:00 - [94] "the female of the species is more dangerous than the man" always ALWAYS ------------------------------ "whining and crying for nerfs and boosts aint' no way to go through life son!"
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Originally by: Sharupak If women were in power, nothing would change. It has nothing to do with sex but has to do with governmental structure and the personalities it attracts. If tomorrow it became cosmic law that only women would rule, we would be *****ing about our politicians selling out for money, power, and war. destruction and threats come from the "human psyche" of fear. That's what the actual females in this thread have been saying all along . Sorry, I saw the first few posts blacked out then saw rawr's post and then decided to post my opinion. Must have been an IQ survival mechanism kicking off. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:17:00 - [96] WOMEN: Know your LIMITS! Proper Limits Proper Virtue Driving nuff said.... Play nice while you butcher each other.
Chaosgabe TWC	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:33:00 - [97] And noone mentioned Angela Merkel yet, the Chancellor of Germany. I wonder why . . .
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Taua Roqa what about all those backwards muslim nations? And why do you consider them 'backwards'? Maybe they are going in the right direction, and it's the western nations that are backwards? Having religious leaders and god-given laws = backwards, whether muslim or christian ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:12:00 - [99] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I've been thinking about this today. Why not give them a shot? Because they don't want to be put in charge and they don't want to vote for women. The majority of people in Europe are women, why do they vote for men? I guess even women think it's a bad idea to put women in charge. :-/ How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:42:00 - [100] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Nah, you're 13 ;) Honestly you'd be hard pressed to find me insulting someone who gave a reasonable, well thought argument, no matter the topic. As long it's not, nyah nyah girlz are emotional so they can't be trusted to make decisions . I've honestly had worse experiences at my job working with the female than the man. But, everyone's different. We all bring something to the table - sometimes different and sometimes quite similar. I think the only important thing is to judge someone on their own merits, not on their [insert whatever disriminating factor here]... whether it "helps" them or hurts them. Nah I don't generally give a shit about gender, race or creed...as long as they don't personally **** me off. In a work situation the only thing i really care about is being able to do the job in question. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:03:00 - [101] Originally by: Fink Angel Forget male / female, just don't allow religious people to be in charge. That will fix most things. If I had gotten back here sooner I would have given this the /thread stamp, but I guess I am too late Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. DesuSigs
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.04 04:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Amandin Adouin This is it. In America, you have to be that power hungry type of person to succeed in the political realm, at least on Capital Hill. Little mommas boys who can't debate their way out of the bathroom aren't going to make it past the front door. It takes balls and fierceness to make it. These attributes are perfectly acceptable in men. And supposedly so in women. But as soon as an actual strong woman steps up to the plate capable of this, she's a btch. You know I'm only half paying attention to this because I'm trying to get some work done, but I'm alittle shocked at what I'm seeing. The picking apart of every statement - Chainsaw? I'm pretty reasonable and I try to have moderated views, believe it or not. But some of the comments you guys are making seem just like the gut wrench reactions most guys in America are programmed to have when faced with any topics related to feminism. I mean I'm trying really hard to not do this, but I can't seem to avoid hearing the word btch being directed at me for writing this all. P.S. Michael I saw your list. See my first comment. I'm only talking about the U.S. I don't think this is really an issue in Europe, etc. a *** is a *** and a ho is a ho. in my experience no one seems to like Hillary except for middle aged women... really I wouldn't mind a woman in change but I haven't seen a woman I would vote for. then again I haven't gone looking. as for men my list is very damn short. w/e
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:16:00 - [103] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton in my experience no one seems to like Hillary except for middle aged women... Strange as this may sound, I think Hillary would be a fine president, and I'm quite the cave dwelling right wing nut job. I'd prefer a Reagan clone to Hillary (perhaps Palin in 2012....). In spite of the hysteria, being a student of history gives perspective. Even the bad U.S. presidents have been good. Play nice while you butcher each other.
JAQUE ALERA	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:05:00 - [104] Amandin Adouin I salute and respect your intellect and verve. Everyone listen, I use OOPE as a sounding board. I have a thought, I post, I get feedback . I respect this part of the forums for it's openness and discourse. Respect each other. Read and think. We all have our perspectives and they are formed by sometimes the most ridiculous experiences. Be open to other opinions and perhaps, just perhaps, be open to change. I do believe women are inherently more capable of providing diplomacy in times of crisis. I know men will kill/** "enemy women and children" during battle. I haven't found a historical precedence showing a group of women attacking an enemy tribe and committing atrocities on noncombatants. Wish I could say the same about men. We are in a time of unprecedented danger. Economic collapse, nuclear proliferation, disease, overpopulation, resource depletion. War is coming, I wish the male instinct to "duke it out" didn't have such deadly consequences in the time of nuclear weapons. I think a woman would hesitate to pull the final trigger. A man would pull the trigger just to show his ** was bigger.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:41:00 - [105] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I haven't found a historical precedence showing a group of women attacking an enemy tribe and committing atrocities on noncombatants. Wish I could say the same about men. Boudicca led the Iceni tribe into London and sacked it, completely killing all the inhabitants. "Dio's account gives more prurient detail: that the noblest women were impaled on spikes and had their breasts cut off and sewn to their mouths." So, no, doesn't sound like she was desperately fair on the battlefield! Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I wish the male instinct to "duke it out" didn't have such deadly consequences in the time of nuclear weapons. I think a woman would hesitate to pull the final trigger. A man would pull the trigger just to show his **** was bigger. "Mutually Assured Destruction" only works when you really believe the other person with the finger on the trigger will do it. This actually keeps us safer, would you believe, than the possibility someone may try their luck as they think their opposite number won't go through with it. fx: Fink Angel pulls a gun and shouts "TURN YOUR KEY, SIR!".
JAQUE ALERA	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:48:00 - [106] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I haven't found a historical precedence showing a group of women attacking an enemy tribe and committing atrocities on noncombatants. Wish I could say the same about men. Boudicca led the Iceni tribe into London and sacked it, completely killing all the inhabitants. "Dio's account gives more prurient detail: that the noblest women were impaled on spikes and had their breasts cut off and sewn to their mouths." So, no, doesn't sound like she was desperately fair on the battlefield! Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I wish the male instinct to "duke it out" didn't have such deadly consequences in the time of nuclear weapons. I think a woman would hesitate to pull the final trigger. A man would pull the trigger just to show his ** was bigger. "Mutually Assured Destruction" only works when you really believe the other person with the finger on the trigger will do it. This actually keeps us safer, would you believe, than the possibility someone may try their luck as they think their opposite number won't go through with it. fx: Fink Angel pulls a gun and shouts "TURN YOUR KEY, SIR!". "Her husband, Prasutagus, an Icenian king who had ruled as a nominally independent ally of Rome, left his kingdom jointly to his daughters and the Roman Emperor in his will, but when he died his will was ignored, possibly because the Romans, unlike the Britons, did not recognise daughters as heirs. The kingdom was annexed as if conquered, Boudica was flogged and her daughters **d, and Roman financiers called in their loans." Sounds like a tribes revenge against injustice. I also said a group of women, not a singular women with a justifiable reason for revenge. "MAD" is exactly that, madness. My point is two women leaders squaring off with their fingers on the final trigger would look for another solution. Please read and respond with some forethought.
Falaricae	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:33:00 - [107] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I do believe women are inherently more capable of providing diplomacy in times of crisis. I know men will kill/** "enemy women and children" during battle. I haven't found a historical precedence showing a group of women attacking an enemy tribe and committing atrocities on noncombatants. Wish I could say the same about men. We are in a time of unprecedented danger. Economic collapse, nuclear proliferation, disease, overpopulation, resource depletion. War is coming, I wish the male instinct to "duke it out" didn't have such deadly consequences in the time of nuclear weapons. I think a woman would hesitate to pull the final trigger. A man would pull the trigger just to show his was bigger. You make it sound we males would annihilate the human race just for the lulz . We do wave our (E-)peens at times, but it's all in good fun and I don't really see a problem flaunting things that you are good at or are proud of. It is good to have pride in some things. Anyone putting their pride over mass murder or not hasitating to pull the final trigger is totally **ing insane. Since we have people here more familiar with history than I am, could one of you give examples of groups of women that have fought in wars. Preferably examples where the war effort was led and fought by women. Some advice on books on the subject would also be appreciated, but any advice in what direction to look for more info is helpful.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:01:00 - [108] Currently politically correct morons believe that there are a number of aspects of life where women are superior to men. The morons even in some cases site some actual science, such as in regard to apptitude in certain communication skills. These same morons grant men, one, and ONLY one superiority: upper body strength. In all other things, men are deemed equal or inferior. God help you should you suggest traditional male aptitudes on subjects such as math have ANY meaning. You can't even say men soldier better without the Zena fans spewing out of the wood work. (Note: I STRONGLY support women in combat, but I do so because of the concepts of Citizenship, Duty and Free Will, NOT due to female combat ability. I'm sure some moron will read this and insist I just suggested all women suck at all form of combat in all situations. That I actually had to type out that previous line to pre-empt the morons is hardcore proof of how diseased our society has become with politically correctness). Be so dense an uncivilized as to suggest a lot women, of their own free will, prefer traditional roles, and you'll be run off the unversity by howling mobs, even if you are President of the University. As for women in charge, some would do good, and some would be wretched, just like the men, but with a female twist to it. I believe a concerted effort achieve utopia by female control would work as well as communism did to achieve the worker's paradise in North Korea. (fortunately, unlike communism, such theorizing will never get beyond funny and/or bad science fiction....) Free Will, citizenship and duty will get you a lot further than radical feminism ever will. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:09:00 - [109] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 04/09/2008 09:17:01 quote=Sergeant Spot]Stuff Actually, as far as I know, the only things men are categorically better than women at, genetically speaking, is Hair in Ear Lobes (I shit you not), Something else Silly, and Gender Determination (frankly, that is a Big deal, so kudos to us men). These 3 things are carried on the 'Y' chromosome, so are uniquely male. Everything else is conjecture. (Except driving, of course.... women just can't drive properly :P) edit: I'll also point out that the 'X' chromasome apparently carries the color gene. So, at best, men are only as good as the women with half the genetic makeup for colour. Interesting, really. Genes account for a lot of capacities, but little of our behavior. That's probably the most interesting part of these sorts of discussions....
Zeknichov Realm Industries	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:15:00 - [110] For every generalization in this topic there exists exceptions to them, and thus the generalizations are senseless. You don't put someone in charge based on their sex you put them in charge based on their qualifications. There's so much fanatic philogyny in this topic it's appalling.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:21:00 - [111] The generalisations are strong in this thread! I've decided to be amused rather than enraged, therefore I'll post nothing contstructive oh and "I do believe women are inherently more capable of providing diplomacy in times of crisis. " Margaret Thatcher __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:22:00 - [112] Originally by: Zeknichov For every generalization in this topic there exists exceptions to them, and thus the generalizations are senseless. You don't put someone in charge based on their sex you put them in charge based on their qualifications. There's so much fanatic philogyny in this topic it's appalling. I'll point out that in inductive logic, it's required you move from instance to general. As such, the mere existence of exceptions do nothing other than provide a 'talking point'. The underlying logic is unaffected. I'll certainly agree that capability should trump preconceptions. Sadly, I'm not sure it does...here or in the real world :(
Zeknichov Realm Industries	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:23:00 - [113] Originally by: Mr Friendly Originally by: Zeknichov For every generalization in this topic there exists exceptions to them, and thus the generalizations are senseless. You don't put someone in charge based on their sex you put them in charge based on their qualifications. There's so much fanatic philogyny in this topic it's appalling. I'll point out that in inductive logic, it's required you move from instance to general. As such, the mere existence of exceptions do nothing other than provide a 'talking point'. The underlying logic is unaffected. I'll certainly agree that capability should trump preconceptions. Sadly, I'm not sure it does...here or in the real world :( I'll also point out that inductive logic is the least logical of all logic. In fact it's still debated today if it's even a valid form of logic.
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:46:00 - [114] OP u are married ? woman lead she decide when and how things start but no when finish Signature is inappropriate and has been removed. Navigator
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:00:00 - [115] Originally by: ceaon OP u are married ? woman lead she decide when and how things start but no when finish Yeah ... I wish there was a way to see how many 'great men' in history were led around by the ballsack by wives and concubines! How many leaders and judges committed murder and atrocities in order to please their wonderful 'better half'. If your married, you probably know what I'm talking about. Women in general may have more characteristic means to facilitate nurturing, but they are also far colder and remoreseless when provoked to fighting. It's one of the reason the American military has such few female snipers. They actually tend to score equal or higher than their male counterparts. Women have just as much potential for violence and cruelty as men. They often don't express it physically like men do, but I daresay the emotional brainf*cks a woman does leave longer lasting scars and trama. Oh, if history could somehow show us how many woman have caused murder and genocide with the tools they are good at using (language and words), you might see a different trend. Also, your not allowed to support anything that might say men are scientifically superior than women. I'm serious. If you do, you a cheuvanist. It's against political correctness. In our day and age, being a man is a crime just waiting to find the right law to punish it. We're all evil, domineering cavemen who just want to destroy each other and should be protected. If you don't think political correctness is leaning hard on these 'surveys' and scientific experiments?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:13:00 - [116] Originally by: Chaosgabe TWC forum breaking picture And noone mentioned Angela Merkel yet, the Chancellor of Germany. I wonder why . . . I gave a whole list of women in office to show that they are out there but apparrantly they are null and void so the argument could ensure. According to others they don't count.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:38:00 - [117] You don't want to put women in office. Cause then we realize that there are crappy women politicians just like there are crappy men politicians, and we destroy the hopes of millions that women will inherently 'fix the world', if only ... Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Ruze You don't want to put women in office. Cause then we realize that there are crappy women politicians just like there are crappy men politicians, and we destroy the hopes of millions that women will inherently 'fix the world', if only ... The very definition of patronizing.
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:48:00 - [119] Cathrine the Great queen elizabeth margaret thatcher Joan of Arc Probably the best examples of Women in Charge. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 20:05:00 - [120] Originally by: Sharupak Cathrine the Great queen elizabeth margaret thatcher Joan of Arc Probably the best examples of Women in Charge. Wow. Did you know Margaret Thatcher was supposedly responsible for pushing the first Bush into the first war with Iraq? I didn't. That's not saying much for me, but that period of history was when I was a little kid, and thus, doesn't quite mean the same as 'history', if you know what a mean. I DID know about Cathrine the Great and her tendency for invading other countries, though ... Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun

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