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JAQUE ALERA	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:19:00 - [1] I've been thinking about this today. Why not give them a shot? Look around and judge how great a job men have done for the world. Men destroy. Women create. Men conquer. Women communicate. Tired of destruction and threats. Encourage women into leadership roles.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:22:00 - [2] This thought has been pondered in my head for many years, and I say hey lets give it a go. But unfortunatly there are too many individuals stuck with old thought process. Time for change to happen rapidly. Lets see what happens. Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. DesuSigs
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:28:00 - [3] Of course, what you spoke of was a broad and inaccurate generalization. While I might agree that men have a tendency to be more physically aggressive than woman, that doesn't mean that women don't have an incredible capacity for destruction. I mean, women destroy each others reputations every day with backhanded comments and underhanded double-speak. There is a reason 'politics' has been equated as the arena of women and feminine men for centuries. Not that it's accurate to a T, no way. But I much prefer to get a broken knuckle and a busted lip than the emotional raping that women commence with on a daily basis. Two men get in a fight, and you can often see them go into the bar together later on, drinking and singing side by side. Women will keep enemies for life. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Irish Whiskey Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:32:00 - [4] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA Men destroy. Women create. Men conquer. Women communicate. Women alone can't create, and their communication is based on strange chemical reactions that define their mood.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:36:00 - [5] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 17:37:12 I don't think America is ready for women to be in charge yet... strong women are still considered btches here (like Hillary). Even though the guys will never admit it or even realize they think this way. I think Europe's ready though. How many European countries have female leaders now? I know Finland does :)
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:36:00 - [6] Edited by: Kyanzes on 03/09/2008 17:36:41 - hideous wars without end - sudden changes in politics, probably on a week-by-week basis - fights would occur every day in the parliament - decrees would be enacted out of emotional discharge - p0rn would be abolished (OMG, already a cause not to let them into power) - women would have a week off every month with salary --------------------------------------------- Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 17:39:52 I don't think America is ready for women to be in charge yet... strong women are still considered bitches here (like Hillary). Even though the guys will never admit it or even realize they think this way. I'm sure I'll get some colorful responses to this one. Come on, prove me wrong ;) I think Europe's ready though. How many European countries have female leaders now? I know Finland does :) This opinion does not necessarily reflect all male viewpoints; certain restrictions apply. Germany has a female chancelor, the Netherlands have 10 women among their ministers and secretaries of state. I think most EU countries have a number of women in the top spots in politics now.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:46:00 - [8] Cristina Fernßndez de Kirchner - President of Argentina Pratibha Patil - President of India Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf - Member of Federal council of Switzerland Nino Burjanadze - acting president of Georgia until early this year Doris Leuthard - Member of Federal council of Switzerland Michelle Bachelet - President of Chile Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf - President of Liberia Sarah Palin - Mccains VP nominee.

CCP Saint C C P	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:47:00 - [9] My female intuition is telling me this thread is heading in a sketchy direction. Saint Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Do Not Click Here "Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."

Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 17:39:52 I don't think America is ready for women to be in charge yet... strong women are still considered bitches here (like Hillary). Even though the guys will never admit it or even realize they think this way. I'm sure I'll get some colorful responses to this one. Come on, prove me wrong ;) I think Europe's ready though. How many European countries have female leaders now? I know Finland does :) This opinion does not necessarily reflect all male viewpoints; certain restrictions apply. There are as many intelligent, thoughtful and dedicated women in the world as men. But no matter how you paint it, Hillary is a btch. There's nothing wrong with a woman president or VP or anything, but I wouldn't vote for Hillary just to have a woman in office. I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was a guy, or if all the choices were women, or if she was the only female allowed to run for president for the next century. You shouldn't capitulate the leadership of a country over something as trivial as race or sex. That being said, I've read many reports that state that American men and women still picture the president as a 'father figure', and this leads to us voting for that type of individual. Originally by:* CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:11:00 - [11] Mmmm. I'm not a feminist, not even close. I think biology has imposed certain roles on the two genders, i.e. men are stronger, they're the hunters, women are the nourishers. These roles have worked, and to some degree I think we need them. I don't see anything wrong with stay-at-home moms, etc. That said. Misogny has absolutely invaded American culture and society in a very deep way. It's so deeply instilled in us, that we don't even notice it. I think it comes from our Puritanical roots. Why do some many people think Hillary is a btch? And why don't they think X-male politician is? Why is it okay for men to brag about their sexual conquests, but women who do so are ****s? Why is there a glass ceiling in America? Why are all the talkers, the political junkies, the alphas in so many of my groups of friends male? Why are the females supposed to sit there looking cute? Again, this does not apply to all guys. I know many, many, guys who this doesn't reflect at all. But this is the case for Americans on a grand scale. People just refuse to open their eyes to it.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Mmmm. I'm not a feminist, not even close. I think biology has imposed certain roles on the two genders, i.e. men are stronger, they're the hunters, women are the nourishers. These roles have worked, and to some degree I think we need them. I don't see anything wrong with stay-at-home moms, etc. That said. Misogny has absolutely invaded American culture and society in a very deep way. It's so deeply instilled in us, that we don't even notice it. I think it comes from our Puritanical roots. Why do some many people think Hillary is a btch? And why don't they think X-male politician is? Why is it okay for men to brag about their sexual conquests, but women who do so are **s? Why is there a glass ceiling in America? Why are all the talkers, the political junkies, the alphas in so many of my groups of friends male? Why are the females supposed to sit there looking cute? Again, this does not apply to all guys. I know many, many, guys who this doesn't reflect at all. But this is the case for Americans on a grand scale. People just refuse to open their eyes to it. You might not be a feminist, but you'd be a damned good one. Hillary is a *, hell, even her husband couldn't stay true to her, which one is the effect or the cause is debatable. Too be honest, if you apply the term to males, which you really can't, then most male politicians WOULD be *es. I consider a * to be a women who looks for underhanded tactics to push themselves for gain. That and being arrogant while doing it. Male politicians are generally always falling under that except for being a women part, so it can't really be applied. Glass ceiling? Tbh my mom is the bread-winner of the family, and she does it by being good at her job and not complaining that there are too many men ahead of her in the corporate ladder. My dad sits at home messing with hobbies. The only people that see the ceiling are those that are really trying to look for it. Ever listen to Anne Coulter(sp?), there are plenty of female political junkies and talkers. Thats bs to say that they are all men. TBH I know more alpha women then I do men. Women are better socially then men are, it's a fact. But men are more focused on expertise then socializing. Therefore in specific and knowledgeable fields, men will typically be alpha. However in team building and leadership women are typically alpha. I think your buying into some femi** propaganda.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:36:00 - [13] Forget male / female, just don't allow religious people to be in charge. That will fix most things.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:36:00 - [14] Heheh ... I'm a stay-at-home dad married to a female Marine. The only person I've ever met who had any problems with it ... was me! I'm bored out of my mind, intermixed with small moments of absolute, two-year-old induced terror! God help our society. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Fink Angel Forget male / female, just don't allow religious people to be in charge. That will fix most things. I love how someone touts 'separation of church and state'. A truly religious person (i.e. a person who believes and lives by the code of their religion of choice, not just a church-goer and not some zealot) will have their religion effect every single decision they make. What's more, we often elect individuals who are the same religion as we, in order to make sure they share similar viewpoints. There is no way a devout individual can represent everyone fairly and without bias. It's impossible. The only way to get such representation is if the person is not truly devout, and can set aside the laws of his own morality in order to pursue true equality. Of course, not that I'd trust an atheist, either. An agnostic, maybe, but not someone who outright refuses to accept the presence of a higher being. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:52:00 - [16] what are you doing out of the kitchen? If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Sodium Phosphate You might not be a feminist, but you'd be a damned good one. Hillary is a ***, hell, even her husband couldn't stay true to her, which one is the effect or the cause is debatable. Too be honest, if you apply the term to males, which you really can't, then most male politicians WOULD be *es. I consider a * to be a women who looks for underhanded tactics to push themselves for gain. That and being arrogant while doing it. Male politicians are generally always falling under that except for being a women part, so it can't really be applied. Glass ceiling? Tbh my mom is the bread-winner of the family, and she does it by being good at her job and not complaining that there are too many men ahead of her in the corporate ladder. My dad sits at home messing with hobbies. The only people that see the ceiling are those that are really trying to look for it. Ever listen to Anne Coulter(sp?), there are plenty of female political junkies and talkers. Thats bs to say that they are all men. TBH I know more alpha women then I do men. Women are better socially then men are, it's a fact. But men are more focused on expertise then socializing. Therefore in specific and knowledgeable fields, men will typically be alpha. However in team building and leadership women are typically alpha. I think your buying into some femi** propaganda. oohh, I always love it when a man starts an argument with a (perceived) insult ;) You're talking about things you don't understand. There is a glass celing, it's a statistical fact. I'm not personalizing it, I do just fine in the workforce. But just because your mom is a bread winner and you haven't seen this with your own eyes doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It does. I never said that all political junkies or talking heads were men. I was very careful to explicitly state that these are broad generalizations. Exceptions exist to everything. However, stereotypes do arise for a reason, they don't come out of thin air. And everything I stated is true, in general. Quote: Too be honest, if you apply the term to males, which you really can't, then most male politicians WOULD be ***es. I consider a *** to be a women who looks for underhanded tactics to push themselves for gain. That and being arrogant while doing it. Male politicians are generally always falling under that except for being a women part, so it can't really be applied. Well that's my point. Most men in politics would be considered "***es", but they're not called out on it. This term is bandied every single *ing time I hear the name Hillary. But male politician aren't being called out on their schemes nearly as much. They're getting pats on the butt and a bruhaha. As for the "underhanded tactics" comment, I hope you know by now that not everything you see on tv and the Internet is correct (such as your "fact" about women being better socially than men. There is a very active propaganda machine at work, that is especiallya ctive and vocal when trying to discredit the Democrats - Hillary and Bill included. The fact that you were so quick to jump on all comments in such a provoked* way makes me think some nerves were hit.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.03 18:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Eskalin what are you doing out of the kitchen? sorry but LOL ________________________ I'M POOR
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Well that's my point. Most men in politics would be considered "btches", but they're not called out on it. This term is bandied every single ****ing time I hear the name Hillary. But male politician aren't being called out on their schemes nearly as much. They're getting pats on the butt and a big bruhaha. What world do you live in? And especially to make comments like this in the year of the mudslinger.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 19:13:36 Michael, I honestly think you'd have to be a woman to understand. It's a culmination of everything I've seen in my life, and others'. I know much mud is being slung. But everytime I hear about Hillary I hear the word "btch". Even from friends who are otherwise very liberal and, in my opinion, enlightened. But these same guys can take the nastiest, most arrogant and conniving male politician and respect him for it. You start to see pattern after awhile. It gets old. And I really need to get back to work. Edit: I didn't mean to insinuate that you had to be a liberal to be enlightened. They were meant to be separate.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:16:00 - [21] And what is, pray tell, the MALE version of the "b'tch" epithet ? _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:16:00 - [22] If you think that a lot of men don't look at some of our politicians and think 'Man, that guys an ss', or 'man, that guys a ***' ... you don't know men. Problem is, the men who work their way into office have to be likable sorts. I personally dislike nearly everything about Bill Clinton, but having met the guy, he sure had charisma and charm. Hillary doesn't have that, and I've had the unfortunate ease of having met her, too, if only in passing. But to be fair, I'm not sure if it's because she is just that kind of person, or if it's because that is the social acceptance of a power hungry, 'here to get the job done' type of woman. With my wife in the USMC, she faces that crap all the time. If she ain't a complete btch, everyone thinks she's sucking up to the man. Course, also being honest, that's the same way with the guys. As an NCO, I was taught to be the biggest dck around, because that was considered the way leaders should be. A young man in politics has to be a complete hard-ss behind that veil of charm, else he gets walked all over. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:20:00 - [23] You see the pattern you want to see apparrantly. I didn't exactly see Mr. Clinton being patted on the back, more like booted in the ass. GB? Great reviews going on there. Nixon? Johnson? And I see you keep bringing up Clinton but you haven't said a thing about any of the ladies I posted earlier. And yes, Clinton is a two faced liar, there are much better choices than her.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 19:13:36 Michael, I honestly think you'd have to be a woman to understand. It's a culmination of everything I've seen in my life, and others'. I know much mud is being slung. But everytime I hear about Hillary I hear the word "btch". Even from friends who are otherwise very liberal and, in my opinion, enlightened. But these same guys can take the nastiest, most arrogant and conniving male politician and respect him for it. You start to see pattern after awhile. It gets old. And I really need to get back to work. Edit: I didn't mean to insinuate that you had to be a liberal to be enlightened. They were meant to be separate. Of course you see the slights in the worst light. You are a woman, and possibly a Hillary supporter. I'm a young, middle class white American male. It's funny, but only ever do we see the hate thrown in our direction, and we always downplay what others experience. She's a woman, she can't know how I feel. Being from the south, I'm automatically a racist, and a unsophisticated bible-thumping, tobacco-chewing, ignorant hick. There aren't any programs out there that pay ME grants to go to school because I have different sexual appendages, or different color skin. Nobodies chiming up the horse to defend ME when someone calls me racial slurs or throws around 'white' jokes on public TV. Hundreds of thousands of people of European and American decent (aka white people) are being killed each day in central Africa in the name of 'racial retribution', and yet it's nothing to the world medias? Oh, poor me, right? I don't have a clue what it's like to be a woman, at how rough life is and how wrong everyone treats you. Please bear with me. I'm not trying to belittle your 'plight' despite how harsh my words sound, but have you ever honestly considered that people call Hillary a btch because of her policies, because of the way she presents herself, because of the things she's said and done in the past? Or maybe it's because many feel she's morally inept, willing to stick with a corrupt and immoral husband in order to maintain political appeal? We each overglorify how bad we're treated, just as every human being in existence tries to find some means to justify their superiority over others. Originally by:* CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Benny Hill on 03/09/2008 19:43:43 Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/09/2008 17:39:52 I don't think America is ready for women to be in charge yet... strong women are still considered bitches here (like Hillary). Even though the guys will never admit it or even realize they think this way. I'm sure I'll get some colorful responses to this one. Come on, prove me wrong ;) I think Europe's ready though. How many European countries have female leaders now? I know Finland does :) This opinion does not necessarily reflect all male viewpoints; certain restrictions apply. The ones that think Hillary is a ***** (because she is), are jazzed and can't wait to pull the lever for McCain/Palin, because of Palin though. Many conservatives in the US are not thrilled about McCain, and in fact dislike his politics, but see Sarah Palin as a great VP, and will vote for his ticket because of Sarah. Hillary was never strong, and always rode on the coattails of her husband. Conservatives want a strong woman, and I would say any hockey coach would be strong, a hunter/shooter would be strong too - and that is why conservatives in the US, and Republicans and strongly backing the McCain/Palin ticket. Not that Palin is a milf, but because she does kick ass.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:43:00 - [26] I think that many people miss the point about Hillary too. "Bitch" is the feminine form of the male insult "Asshole" They are roughly equal to one another. So when a Man calls a woman like Hillary that word, just realize that he is using the feminine form of the insult. if Hillary were a man, she'd be an assh*le. It's really that simple. And while I do agree that there is a glass ceiling, I also believe that it is spiderwebbed with cracks and shot full of holes large enough for a woman to get through. Keep in mind that the statistics can be deceiving. Stats for women's earnings vs men's earnings over a lifetime frequently fail to take childbirth and child rearing into account, and the fact that many many women voluntarily choose the challenges of motherhood over the challenges of the workplace. This is naturally going to lower the overall earnings stats for women when not factored into the equation properly. Personally, I think that a woman in a Western Democracy can do pretty much whatever she wants. While there may be some resistance from older males, there will be little to none from almost anywhere else. Times have changed, and people have changed with them. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Amandin Adouin oohh, I always love it when a man starts an argument with a (perceived) insult ;) You're talking about things you don't understand. There is a glass celing, it's a statistical fact. I'm not personalizing it, I do just fine in the workforce. But just because your mom is a bread winner and you haven't seen this with your own eyes doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It does. I never said that all political junkies or talking heads were men. I was very careful to explicitly state that these are broad generalizations. Exceptions exist to everything. However, stereotypes do arise for a reason, they don't come out of thin air. And everything I stated is true, in general. so its a statistical fact that the glass ceiling exists but there are exceptions to the fact that it exists
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:11:00 - [28] If we're going to speak in general terms I find that women are into upkeeping of the established norm while men try their damndest to break it, if you don't you're a gentleman, the other metrosexual meat. Taken to the extreme we'd see a stagnant society where everything is the same always and men find little reason to get out of bed, smalltalk about the next family dinner a week from now and what aunt got a birthday coming up just doesn't cut it. The problem with diversity on the other hand is that it'll get worse before it gets better as the women promoted now are promoted by men who promote women who are most like themselves i.e more man than woman. How half the seats of any ruling body isn't already set aside for women in any country claiming to be democratic is beyond me. Arguments like that they'd be less efficient and such falls flat on its ass when you think of how many efficient mistakes we've rushed into through history. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:13:00 - [29] obviously never seen woman in the work place, they are all catty about it eachother like mad, imagine if they had guns,nuclear missiles and armies of men at their finger tips.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:14:00 - [30] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA I've been thinking about this today. Why not give them a shot? Look around and judge how great a job men have done for the world. Men destroy. Women create. Men conquer. Women communicate. Tired of destruction and threats. Encourage women into leadership roles. Yes men have never ever created anything we see around us in the world today, it was all women Bin Laden Dancing

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