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Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky I agree - level 4s should be in extreme low sec and level 3s in low sec, level 1 and 2s in high sec. . . that would spice things up a bit. Saddly the whinage would be too great for CCP to handle. So instead of having them whining we have you. Fair trade. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:40:00 - [32] Originally by: murder one My point here is this: In Eve all the NPCers can happily NPC in near complete safety doing all the high level end-game missions (level 4s) in high sec and never have to risk anything at all with respect to being in danger from other players. Over and over and over. Forever. High level end-game missions are level 5 i 0.0 - Carebear Pirate -
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger Originally by: murder one My point here is this: In Eve all the NPCers can happily NPC in near complete safety doing all the high level end-game missions (level 4s) in high sec and never have to risk anything at all with respect to being in danger from other players. Over and over and over. Forever. High level end-game missions are level 5 i 0.0 Anyone actually do those? Last I heard the payouts were terrible. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:47:00 - [34] Originally by: murder one In accurate crap I have played wow for 3 years and i am not ashamed of it, what i shouldnt play it? why? Because u think it's lame? because it's for kid's? Im 23, married with two children n i still play wow, so does my wife and i have two eve accounts. Stop comparing WOW to the cess pit that we love called EVE YOU CANNOT COMPARE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN NO WAY RELATED OR HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON WOW is wow, it is a brilliant game, EVE is eve and again it is awsum, i have about 18 friends from my guild who are doing trial accounts on EVE thru me and are thinking about playing. So bloody just stop it, i think the entire population is sick of it
Cryxx Minmatar Blindsight Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:53:00 - [35] Comparing WoW to EVE...fair enough (I guess), comparing a part of WoW to the whole of EVE...now this dosnt work. WoW is a game more based on PVE (dont want this to blow into another discussion) the expansions blizz releases are mostly based on PVE content: higher levels, new instances, new purples for people to grind for so if you wanna compare wow to eve, do it proberly. Also, on a pvp server there are safe places, your PVP tag goes away when you're in a starter zone (I think op till lvl 16 or some such) and as it's been said before, the only thing you lose when you die is a few minutes and perhaps some gold for armour repair. Anyways, comparing games, music, movies etc to others of the same have always, to me, been stupid, if you like it then thats great, theres no need to start comparing it to other things of the same nature, just enjoy playing/listening/watching it. Cryxx ---------------------------------------------- I like to loot it loot it
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:56:00 - [36] Played wow for 3 years. Once you hit 70, theres nothing to do. There is no "end game" for pvp. Once you get the gear you wanted thats it. Nothing to do. And they made it very very very easy to get gear now, so game gets boring very fast. NPC quests are mostly daily quests at 70, which means you do the same quest everyday once. Which is boring as hell and theres no vairiation. The PvE endgame is instance/raids and these are INSTANCED so you can never get ganked in those. Only people in your group can enter. WoW is balls, Eve is awesome, the end.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Imperial Servants	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:56:00 - [37] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Sabrin Kulu Originally by: murder one At that point I asked them what actually happens when they get 'killed' and if anything of any real concequence happens to them as a result, but that's another story for another thread lol. This is the main difference between WoW and EVE, why are you trying the exclude this from your argument? In WoW if you get killed whilst doing your PvE stuff at worst you will have to spend about 2 minutes walking back to your body, whereas in EVE you could spend a full week or even longer recovering from your financial loss. And in EVE, even if you are doing your PvE in 'safe zones', funnily enough, you are actually still far from safe. Don't try and straw man the focus of the discussion here. The point of discussion: Eve end-game PVE is far more safe than WoW PVE, from a PVP perspective. WoW PVPers have far more access to WoW PVEers doing end-game PVE than Eve players do. That is the point of discussion. Not how much one loses from dying or whether or not it's a PVE or PVP server etc. Lvl 4's are not PvE end game. You still got lvl 5's and complexes in 0.0. That you can call PvE end game, as the best loot drops there and not in lvl 4's. Besides, the real true PvE end game in WoW are instances. You got no access to those running them when they are inside. But you do in EvE. Nice try though.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:57:00 - [38] Unless something massive has changed to WoW since the 2+ years I've been playing EVE, a lot of WoW PvE is instanced. That means you spawn your own instance of a dungeon and only your people can go in it. Not to mention if you die in WoW, your priest just comes over and resses you + throws on new buffs in about 15 seconds so no real loss there. The one thing I will give WoW, is that if you want the best equipment, you have to throw your character/raid group out on the line in a long, sometimes very hard dungeon. In EVE, you can solo grind a faction BS of your choice with zero risk. But all in all, PvP in WoW and WoW-clones like Warhammer are pretty sickening. I was almost believing Warhammer hype on SHC, but then I saw some Raid PvP Warhammer vids and I wanted to throw up. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
RagnhildR tu Caldari Rognvald Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 09:57:00 - [39] Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! What are you doing in my pod? GTFO!
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:02:00 - [40] I wonder if I actually admit to trolling ppl if the post will get locked. When I get bored I write ridiculous posts to see what kind of responses I get. Is that trolling? On the flip side, there is some truth to the post as far as game design/game mechanics go, and yes, I'm picking/choosing my evidence to support an exaggerated point, but the point is still there. The vast majority of all PVE is done through level 4s, in empire, while completely safe. This is in effect the 'end game' of Eve PVE. Regardless of the fact that there are higher level missions in low sec/0.0. I'd like to see some numbers that prove otherwise. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:09:00 - [41] Yes you are trolling, it's been clear from the get go, admitting it..well...that's almost bannable i guess, in some places. Saying you create a post just for that. Anyway, the FACT is, level 4s aren't A: safe, B: Safe from other pople and C: Endgame of PVE. Firstly because there's no endgame. Second 'cause everywhere you go you can be killed. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yes you are trolling, it's been clear from the get go, admitting it..well...that's almost bannable i guess, in some places. Saying you create a post just for that. Anyway, the FACT is, level 4s aren't A: safe, B: Safe from other pople and C: Endgame of PVE. Firstly because there's no endgame. Second 'cause everywhere you go you can be killed. You mean you can be killed if you turn on your PVP flag like in WoW. Right? [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:18:00 - [43] Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:23:00 - [44] The PVE part in wow is more fun than in eve. As already mentioned, you cannot compare them because they are too different. Get a grip.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/09/2008 10:34:22 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/09/2008 10:34:07 Originally by: murder one You mean you can be killed if you turn on your PVP flag like in WoW. Right? No. you can be killed anytime, anywhere, by anyone, with enough force before concord hops in. Called suiciding. One of many favorite past-times in the EVE Naughty Persons to-do list; EVE Naughty Persons To Do List Kill Kill. Kill. Canflip. Flame on Forum(fof of the month club) Kill. Kill. Do a mission. Suicide a hauler. Kill. Kill. Nap. More killing. Banter on Corpchat how cool killing is. Kill. Pod. Kill the person whining about podding. Gatecamp from 16pm-22pm (lots of killing) My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.04 10:34:00 - [46] dude...do the 10 day trial before shoving one foot up your rear and the other down your throat. no, there is no need for you to make another thread about wha thappens when they die. they just get a choice to go back out and respawn where they died OR forfiet that chance and take damage to their gear which they can then pay to have repaired rather cheaply. In eve if you want to pvp, you put your gear on the line. In wow, you can play in the arenas and never lose a single thing. I think even if you lose you still get wow's version of LPs. This thread fails, please contract all your stuff to me before you go play with the other faeries. thanks
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:00:00 - [47] Originally by: murder one Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. lol stupid american, English, as in PROPER english from the United Kingdom is what you base YOUR ENGLISH on, just because you so degenerate you have to change certain words because you cannot comprehende logic doesn't eman the rest of teh world speaks like you do Go away gearge bush fan
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:00:00 - [48] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger High level end-game missions are level 5 i 0.0 Anyone actually do those? Last I heard the payouts were terrible. My corp does lowsec level 5's for two things: the LP and the fun. We do 10 missions per member every few days, cash in the LP and sell navy issue ships bought at the LP store. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Hot Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: murder one Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. lol stupid american, English, as in PROPER english from the United Kingdom is what you base YOUR ENGLISH on, just because you so degenerate you have to change certain words because you cannot comprehende logic doesn't eman the rest of teh world speaks like you do Go away gearge bush fan Quoted for epic irony. Well done that man.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:47:00 - [50] They are both pretty terrible games, I would also give wow the edge though.
Gonada Gallente Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:49:00 - [51] Personally I like to use the Loose instead of Lose, due to the fact that I am trying to draw out the word, as if I was standing right in front of you saying you loooooose, then driving my fist down your self rightous throat. Please, jump into traffic
Chrysos Colossus Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:49:00 - [52] Behold the future: World of Evecraft
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Andrea Skye Played wow for 3 years. Once you hit 70, theres nothing to do. There is no "end game" for pvp. Once you get the gear you wanted thats it. Nothing to do. And they made it very very very easy to get gear now, so game gets boring very fast. NPC quests are mostly daily quests at 70, which means you do the same quest everyday once. Which is boring as hell and theres no vairiation. The PvE endgame is instance/raids and these are INSTANCED so you can never get ganked in those. Only people in your group can enter. WoW is balls, Eve is awesome, the end. Truth tbc ruined wow with way too easily aquireable rewards. Should be much harder with more world pvp objectives that rewarded you and more player interaction on the game world.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: murder one Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. lol stupid american, English, as in PROPER english from the United Kingdom is what you base YOUR ENGLISH on, just because you so degenerate you have to change certain words because you cannot comprehende logic doesn't eman the rest of teh world speaks like you do Go away gearge bush fan Please tell me you were adopted by a human family. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Magnus MacDonald	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:54:00 - [55] Originally by: murder one I wonder if I actually admit to trolling ppl if the post will get locked. When I get bored I write ridiculous posts to see what kind of responses I get. Is that trolling? On the flip side, there is some truth to the post as far as game design/game mechanics go, and yes, I'm picking/choosing my evidence to support an exaggerated point, but the point is still there. The vast majority of all PVE is done through level 4s, in empire, while completely safe. This is in effect the 'end game' of Eve PVE. Regardless of the fact that there are higher level missions in low sec/0.0. I'd like to see some numbers that prove otherwise. I will take it one step further in calling you on your mouth spewing excrement: As if lvl 4s haven't been nerfed enough. I suspect that the only reason why you bring this up is that you secretly enjoy the idea of there being no options for players to make decent money without the ever present risk of getting ganked by you and your merry band of prostate pummeling pirates. Why look for a reasonably fair fight with willing opponents when you can **** PVE ships in your PVP ship builds. All those fresh newbies hiding in their safespace? How dare they! What? Not enough targets in low sec or 0.0 to sate your hunger? If that is the case, then clearly you have not been spending enough time there. I recommend that you try taking on the entire southern/northern coalition (maybe you go for the DP?). Let me know how that works out for you.
Flyer Empire Caldari New World Industries	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:57:00 - [56] I have played Wow for just over a year(sadly) & Eve for 4years. I have came back to eve after the fact at current content level in wow theres nothing else i can do once you've done end game raiding at 70 (and the pvps boring) - my guild & i have downed KJ etc but this is purely down to blizzard being lazy and poor service. If people complain about CCP's responce time then please go play Wow for a day and try and get a GM responce quicker than i ever could do ((8hrs of being logged) in or your petition closes) In my own opinion Eve > Wow based upon content, graphics (yes DX 6 wow graphics are a joke), community & most of all PVP.
Magnus MacDonald	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:12:00 - [57] Edited by: Magnus MacDonald on 04/09/2008 12:17:30 Originally by: Kaivos Another "nerf l4 missions" thread masked under warcraft > eve topic. amen, brother
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:15:00 - [58] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger High level end-game missions are level 5 i 0.0 Anyone actually do those? Last I heard the payouts were terrible. You stated: "My point here is this: In Eve all the NPCers can happily NPC in near complete safety doing all the high level end-game missions (level 4s) in high sec and never have to risk anything at all with respect to being in danger from other players. Over and over and over. Forever." Since you compared the toughest WoW npc'ing with EVE, at least test it against what I guess is the toughest EVE npc'ing. - Carebear Pirate -
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:18:00 - [59] A stirling effort but obvious troll is obvious. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:19:00 - [60] Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger Originally by: murder one Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger High level end-game missions are level 5 i 0.0 Anyone actually do those? Last I heard the payouts were terrible. You stated: "My point here is this: In Eve all the NPCers can happily NPC in near complete safety doing all the high level end-game missions (level 4s) in high sec and never have to risk anything at all with respect to being in danger from other players. Over and over and over. Forever." Since you compared the toughest WoW npc'ing with EVE, at least test it against what I guess is the toughest EVE npc'ing. This, tbh. Lord knows I have no love for hi-sec level 4s, but the OPs comparison Fails It. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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